FabSwingers.com forum: Clare's Law

By *exySwing3rs OP Couple
over a year ago

In Your Hearts

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25077115

'Clare's Law, which enables people to check the police record of their partners, is to be expanded to cover all of England and Wales.'

Seems like a sensible law as long as there are sufficient checks and balances to ensure it's not misused.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Very good idea

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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago

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Is it partners male and female. My understanding is that it is females who can check guys.... I fi d this grossly offensive if it is true. Men should be able to check women too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it partners male and female. My understanding is that it is females who can check guys.... I fi d this grossly offensive if it is true. Men should be able to check women too. "

Agreed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

of course this would only show things that's in their record, not necessarily everything they've done

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it partners male and female. My understanding is that it is females who can check guys.... I fi d this grossly offensive if it is true. Men should be able to check women too. "

Too right stalkers, nut jobs and psychos are all sexes.

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By *exySwing3rs OP Couple
over a year ago

In Your Hearts

It should apply to both, otherwise, it will probably be under scrutiny by some kind of Equality legislation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agree that its sensible as long as its not misused, theres a wee bit of concern that someone who has been falsely accused could end up losing a potential partner.

my understanding from watching a news report that it can be used by both genders.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Be read up and it states persons so it seems male and female can request information..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" of course this would only show things that's in their record, not necessarily everything they've done"

could also result in false accusations being revealed.

I believe that the decision on which information is handed over is at the discretion of the person handling the request.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"Agree that its sensible as long as its not misused, theres a wee bit of concern that someone who has been falsely accused could end up losing a potential partner.

my understanding from watching a news report that it can be used by both genders."

They have a panel made up of specialist trained police officers etc and if there is nothing they won't disclose information...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Should we now ask for an up to date CRB report on a first date ?

While I think it's perfectly acceptable to know if your potential partner has a violent past I don't think access to a persons criminal record is the answer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Agree that its sensible as long as its not misused, theres a wee bit of concern that someone who has been falsely accused could end up losing a potential partner.

my understanding from watching a news report that it can be used by both genders.

They have a panel made up of specialist trained police officers etc and if there is nothing they won't disclose information..."

fair point but specialist training is no guarantee that mistakes wont be made.

As an example of police files, a former school friend of mine had an accusation made of domestic abuse, it went to court before his ex admitted she had made it up.

the police file shows the accusation and then states that the complaint was withdrawn. Not that it was a lie.

Some panels may decide this information should be released.

throw enough mud and some of it will stick.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not sure if this is a good idea or not. But it must be availiable to be used by both sexes, however i don't think i would use it myself. Prying like that doesn't feel right to me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can find out a bit about people on Google. This law is a tad too far imo.

Would you really check on someone you're dating?

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Might prove to be good...but...

Wonder how it works with spent offenses?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25077115

'Clare's Law, which enables people to check the police record of their partners, is to be expanded to cover all of England and Wales.'

Seems like a sensible law as long as there are sufficient checks and balances to ensure it's not misused. "

In southampton it's men and women, you can apply for any person who has regular unsupervised contact with your kid , eg babysitters, friends or even family members partners.

They give you a reference number over the phone and then you go to the police station

You need Id for yourself and date of birth or address of the person your checking . The police then check their systems and make a referral to social services who have separate records eg drug alcohol abuse etc .

You are not allowed to disclose the findings and you don't need the other persons permission

It's a. Good idea but remember it's the pedos that haven't been caught are the real risk to your kids

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its a great idea but having had some dealings and looking into it last year for my sister,it has to be the partner of with sufficient grounds and cleared before any information is given...so it wont be abused and given freely.

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By *uietlykinkymeWoman
over a year ago

kinky land

I used it years ago. Peace of mind and all that. I did tell him after the fact and he was ok with it (tough if not though)

Glad it is finally going to be available to everyone

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Its a great idea but having had some dealings and looking into it last year for my sister,it has to be the partner of with sufficient grounds and cleared before any information is given...so it wont be abused and given freely."

Not sure I can agree about 'wont be abused.......'.

Once info is out there, are there safeguards to stop it becoming everyday conversation at the school gates or in the pub?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I have mixed feelings about this. If may offer a false sense of assurance to some. Just because a record comes back clean does not mean that the person has done nothing or isn't about to crack and do something.

For those with "complaint withdrawn" on their files it is ambiguous if you don't know the circumstances: did the person confess to making it up or were they coerced into changing their mind?

At least this law recognises that gender is no indicator of violent tendencies and general violent/manipulative madness.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

load of bollocks

if you suspect a partner of been violent in the past why not just her/him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have mixed feelings about this. If may offer a false sense of assurance to some. Just because a record comes back clean does not mean that the person has done nothing or isn't about to crack and do something.

For those with "complaint withdrawn" on their files it is ambiguous if you don't know the circumstances: did the person confess to making it up or were they coerced into changing their mind?

At least this law recognises that gender is no indicator of violent tendencies and general violent/manipulative madness.

All good points. Not sure if it's a good idea or not. If it saves one life it's worth it.

It won't work for the guy with no previous convictions that goes nuts one night when d*unk and kills his family.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not sure I can agree about 'wont be abused.......'.

Once info is out there, are there safeguards to stop it becoming everyday conversation at the school gates or in the pub?"

_nny this is getting scary now, thats two things we agree on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"load of bollocks

if you suspect a partner of been violent in the past why not just her/him"

What do you mean?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25077115

'Clare's Law, which enables people to check the police record of their partners, is to be expanded to cover all of England and Wales.'

Seems like a sensible law as long as there are sufficient checks and balances to ensure it's not misused.

In southampton it's men and women, you can apply for any person who has regular unsupervised contact with your kid , eg babysitters, friends or even family members partners.

They give you a reference number over the phone and then you go to the police station

You are not allowed to disclose the findings and you don't need the other persons permission

It's a. Good idea but remember it's the pedos that haven't been caught are the real risk to your kids "

how do the authorities plan on ensuring that the person(s) dont go telling anyone the information they have recieved.

theres a fundamental flaw in this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How do you prove that your dating that person if your checking on them without there knowledge??

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Not sure I can agree about 'wont be abused.......'.

Once info is out there, are there safeguards to stop it becoming everyday conversation at the school gates or in the pub?

_nny this is getting scary now, thats two things we agree on.

Maybe we can go for 3.

What level must the relationship have reached before one half can make a formal enquiry about the past of the other?

Coffee? Cinema? Dinner? Met the kids? Overnight stay?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Oops again.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"How do you prove that your dating that person if your checking on them without there knowledge?? "

You need full name and date of birth I believe. If they have told you the truth about their name and date of birth all is good. If not who knows?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"load of bollocks

if you suspect a partner of been violent in the past why not just her/him

What do you mean?"

i missed dump at the end

if you think a partner is violent why stay with her/him

just walk away

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Should we now ask for an up to date CRB report on a first date ?

While I think it's perfectly acceptable to know if your potential partner has a violent past I don't think access to a persons criminal record is the answer. "

As a single parent, who left domestic violence, i think its a great idea. If id been able to do this before. I wouldnt of been in the position i was.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im interested to hear if anyone else has thought about this in a wider sense.

There is an element within society who like to play upon our fears, and despite the positive reasons behind this law it could be used as another way to perpetuate those fears.

plays into the hands of those who wish to use fear to control the masses.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Not sure I can agree about 'wont be abused.......'.

Once info is out there, are there safeguards to stop it becoming everyday conversation at the school gates or in the pub?

_nny this is getting scary now, thats two things we agree on.

Maybe we can go for 3.

What level must the relationship have reached before one half can make a formal enquiry about the past of the other?

Coffee? Cinema? Dinner? Met the kids? Overnight stay?"

There has to be some element of superstition to request so it's not just after one night it could for example 6 months down the line...it's not a service that is designed so that everyone can put in a request...it's closely looked at I would only assume they look at length of relationship etc..

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By *uietlykinkymeWoman
over a year ago

kinky land

Im not sure what the requirements are now. I used it when in its pilot. I rang, answered all the questions re my girls at home. And the man i was allowing into my home. They ran a check & i called at the station a week later and was told that no criminal convictions re domestic abuse/child vulnerability were either on the system live or with drawn. She then talked to me about basics in safety & about other stuffs.

I remember they asked about his address, employer, & a few other personal details. But i was honest & open.

I didn't have doubts but the pilot was in the news so i figured safe over sorry. I also figured if he had something to hide his problem not mine

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If anyone wants more info, i ran a search on google and found a free download from manchester police which is quite informative.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How do you prove that your dating that person if your checking on them without there knowledge??

You need full name and date of birth I believe. If they have told you the truth about their name and date of birth all is good. If not who knows?

So, anyone who knows my name and date of birth can just phone up, say they are a potential partner of mine and request information? Seems to be VERY open to abuse to me. And not just from prospective partners.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"How do you prove that your dating that person if your checking on them without there knowledge??

You need full name and date of birth I believe. If they have told you the truth about their name and date of birth all is good. If not who knows?

I assume they have to do a bit more than that but how they prove they have been seeing you etc. I don't know.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How do you prove that your dating that person if your checking on them without there knowledge??

You need full name and date of birth I believe. If they have told you the truth about their name and date of birth all is good. If not who knows?

I assume they have to do a bit more than that but how they prove they have been seeing you etc. I don't know.

My thoughts exactly. How do they prove they are a prospective partner of the person whose life is being scrutinised? As i said, it leaveswit wide open to prolific abuse of rights.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How do you prove that your dating that person if your checking on them without there knowledge??

You need full name and date of birth I believe. If they have told you the truth about their name and date of birth all is good. If not who knows?

I assume they have to do a bit more than that but how they prove they have been seeing you etc. I don't know.

you dont need to be dating the person, you simply need to be concerned. The information i downloaded states that family and even neighbours can go to the police.

you can imagine the potential for malicious reporting and the increased workload for the police.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think for things like domestic abuse its a good idea, i cant see why they would need to disclose things like theft from 10/15 years ago, but violent crimes should be told to new partners, and if your not happy with people knowing to beat your last partner up don't do it

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By *lubPartyPeepsCouple
over a year ago

London

Good idea, we agree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do not understand what this has to do with people making malicious reports.

It is simply to make a request for past convictions of violence.

If a person has been violent in their past,I think a potential partner that has kids and may be vulnerable,has a right to know.

After what Clare went through with that guy,I am certain any parent would want their children to be safe as possible.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I do not understand what this has to do with people making malicious reports.

It is simply to make a request for past convictions of violence.

If a person has been violent in their past,I think a potential partner that has kids and may be vulnerable,has a right to know.

After what Clare went through with that guy,I am certain any parent would want their children to be safe as possible."

It allows the potential, how long do you think it would take to get round that the police are carrying out enquiries, as i have said previously throw enough mud and some will stick.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What bloody enquiries ????

It is a law so you can request details of past convictions of violence.

Not so plod can go round your nieghborhood and carry out investigations.

If you have no convictions, then you have nothing to fear.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I do not understand what this has to do with people making malicious reports.

It is simply to make a request for past convictions of violence.

If a person has been violent in their past,I think a potential partner that has kids and may be vulnerable,has a right to know.

After what Clare went through with that guy,I am certain any parent would want their children to be safe as possible."

And i totally agree with some sort of safety net for vulnerable people with a potentialy violent partner. But, do it with the potential partner going along to the station as well. To show that he/she is fully aware of the proceedings. That way there can be no abuse of the law. And, if the partner refuses, then perhaps he/she has something to hide.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

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If you have no convictions, then you have nothing to fear.

That might be what turns out to be the fatal flaw.

People could be so easily lulled into a false sense of security.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

False sense of security about what ?????

That the person they are having a relationship,may at some point turn violent???

You can never safe guard against that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What bloody enquiries ????

It is a law so you can request details of past convictions of violence.

Not so plod can go round your nieghborhood and carry out investigations.

If you have no convictions, then you have nothing to fear.

have you read the procedures that are to be followed ?

Free download available.

if you have a suspicion someone may be at risk the police will check their records. Even if there are no records of violence they are still expected to follow up the allegation. This will involve among others social work, prison and probation services and could include the police speaking to family, employers etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"False sense of security about what ?????

That the person they are having a relationship,may at some point turn violent???

You can never safe guard against that."

I think he obviously means that not all violent people have a ciminal record!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Did you notice the word "COULD" in there.

That is to safe guard themselves.

They are not going to be ringing and interviewing thousands of people,just because someone made an enquiry.

That would be if there was more than a strong suspicion of some thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"False sense of security about what ?????

That the person they are having a relationship,may at some point turn violent???

You can never safe guard against that.

I think he obviously means that not all violent people have a ciminal record!"

Of course they dont.

Surely it is better to know that your potential partner has, if its true though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Did you notice the word "COULD" in there.

That is to safe guard themselves.

They are not going to be ringing and interviewing thousands of people,just because someone made an enquiry.

That would be if there was more than a strong suspicion of some thing.

do you understand there is the potential for it to happen

i have not said that it will happen.

as long as there is the potential for something there is also the potential for misuse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This law is designed to help prevent a repeat of what happened to Clare,happening again.

There is potential for abuse of every single law in England,but they still mostly work as intended.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I do not understand what this has to do with people making malicious reports.

It is simply to make a request for past convictions of violence.

If a person has been violent in their past,I think a potential partner that has kids and may be vulnerable,has a right to know.

After what Clare went through with that guy,I am certain any parent would want their children to be safe as possible.

That gives me the shivers. If a woman has reason to believe the bloke may be risk, she needs to be able to go in confidence. Otherwise if he IS a risk it could put her in danger.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"load of bollocks

if you suspect a partner of been violent in the past why not just her/him

What do you mean?

i missed dump at the end

if you think a partner is violent why stay with her/him

just walk away"

It sounds like it should be easy but it isn't. The guy doesn't (usually) just turn round and whack her one day.

He gets in her head first, makes her feel worthless. When he does hit her she's convinced it's her fault. She can't leave because she's scared of him or what he might do. It's a circle of violence/ apologies/ "it'll never happen again"....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I do not understand what this has to do with people making malicious reports.

It is simply to make a request for past convictions of violence.

If a person has been violent in their past,I think a potential partner that has kids and may be vulnerable,has a right to know.

After what Clare went through with that guy,I am certain any parent would want their children to be safe as possible.

That gives me the shivers. If a woman has reason to believe the bloke may be risk, she needs to be able to go in confidence. Otherwise if he IS a risk it could put her in danger.

I'm sorry, but if a woman believes she is at risk from a POTENTIAL partner, why not just finish with him? Call me naive, but isn't that what any sensible person would do?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm sorry, but if a woman believes she is at risk from a POTENTIAL partner, why not just finish with him? Call me naive, but isn't that what any sensible person would do?"

If it were that simple,then domestic violence would not exist.

Why do you think so many people suffer day in, day out.

Some feel trapped and worthless,others have been convinced it all their own fault.

Some that have walked away have paid with their lives.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm sorry, but if a woman believes she is at risk from a POTENTIAL partner, why not just finish with him? Call me naive, but isn't that what any sensible person would do?

If it were that simple,then domestic violence would not exist.

Why do you think so many people suffer day in, day out.

Some feel trapped and worthless,others have been convinced it all their own fault.

Some that have walked away have paid with their lives."

Did you not see the word 'potential' there mate? Isn't this law for people that are 'potentialy' thinking of setting up home or beginning a relationship with someone? Maybe read the whole post instead of taking my posts out of context.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm sorry, but if a woman believes she is at risk from a POTENTIAL partner, why not just finish with him? Call me naive, but isn't that what any sensible person would do?

If it were that simple,then domestic violence would not exist.

Why do you think so many people suffer day in, day out.

Some feel trapped and worthless,others have been convinced it all their own fault.

Some that have walked away have paid with their lives.

It's not for someone that just met down the pub. If they are thinking of living together some time has passed and there will already be feelings involved.

Would you abandon an otherwise perfect relationship if you had a niggling feeling something wasn't quite right? If it was only a little niggle... and you thought maybe you were just being silly or over reacting?

It's not as simple as you make out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm sorry, but if a woman believes she is at risk from a POTENTIAL partner, why not just finish with him? Call me naive, but isn't that what any sensible person would do?

If it were that simple,then domestic violence would not exist.

Why do you think so many people suffer day in, day out.

Some feel trapped and worthless,others have been convinced it all their own fault.

Some that have walked away have paid with their lives.

It's not for someone that just met down the pub. If they are thinking of living together some time has passed and there will already be feelings involved.

It's not as simple as you make out. "

You say "if they are are thinking of living together", which is exactly what i said in my post! And you say "some time har passed". How much time in your book, constitutes a burdgeoning relationship? Clares Law is for people who are thinking of starting a relatinship with each other and wish to know if there was violence in a previous relationship!

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By *exySwing3rs OP Couple
over a year ago

In Your Hearts

An interesting extension to the Law would be the ability to inquire about the person on your first Date (for example, if meeting through an online dating agency). Would you want to know his/her convictions? And would you be able to inquire at that early stage?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I might aswell walk around with a updated CRB certificate in my wallet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I might aswell walk around with a updated CRB certificate in my wallet

Still wouldn't be enough for some folks mate! After all, you could have gone on a bender and battered a little old lollypop lady since your last crb update!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its a good idea in principle but you shouldn't be able to get it anonymously as I can see some psycho getting one on someone they are not in a relationship with.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I might aswell walk around with a updated CRB certificate in my wallet

It's a DBS certificate now. Don't worry: we'll all be chipped soon with a QR code anyone can scan.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I might aswell walk around with a updated CRB certificate in my wallet

It's a DBS certificate now. Don't worry: we'll all be chipped soon with a QR code anyone can scan."

Or, a barcode on our foreheads? Us guys can have a chip in our cocks to scan it. And the gals can have a chip on their left shoulder. To go with the other one on their right shoulder!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I might aswell walk around with a updated CRB certificate in my wallet

It's a DBS certificate now. Don't worry: we'll all be chipped soon with a QR code anyone can scan.

Or, a barcode on our foreheads? Us guys can have a chip in our cocks to scan it. And the gals can have a chip on their left shoulder. To go with the other one on their right shoulder!

Erm....I'm already barcoded

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

I am all for openness and transparency but not sure I like the idea of this....lets just have a chip/id card and have done with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am all for openness and transparency but not sure I like the idea of this....lets just have a chip/id card and have done with it.

Can just see it on a first date.

Get to the door and the other person is stood there with a chip reader

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"I am all for openness and transparency but not sure I like the idea of this....lets just have a chip/id card and have done with it.

Can just see it on a first date.

Get to the door and the other person is stood there with a chip reader

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Der!

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I am all for openness and transparency but not sure I like the idea of this....lets just have a chip/id card and have done with it.

Can just see it on a first date.

Get to the door and the other person is stood there with a chip reader

And a full body scanner, finger print machine kit and garlic.

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over a year ago

"I am all for openness and transparency but not sure I like the idea of this....lets just have a chip/id card and have done with it.

Can just see it on a first date.

Get to the door and the other person is stood there with a chip reader

Der!

I'll der you lady

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"I am all for openness and transparency but not sure I like the idea of this....lets just have a chip/id card and have done with it.

Can just see it on a first date.

Get to the door and the other person is stood there with a chip reader

Der!

I'll der you lady

"
Please?!

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over a year ago

"I am all for openness and transparency but not sure I like the idea of this....lets just have a chip/id card and have done with it.

Can just see it on a first date.

Get to the door and the other person is stood there with a chip reader

Der!

I'll der you lady

Please?!

Oooo

with pleasure

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