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"pitch black, pouring with rain, narrow road in the middle of nowhere, and there he was, all black lycra, black bike with black wheels & tyres, no lights at all and nothing reflective on at all.... so so close as it was very last second before i caught a glimpse of him. btw, i was driving a double decker bus with interior lights on which reflect badly in the screen, he was such a very lucky man tonight "oh... and as i slowly went past him, i opened the door and shouted "you need some lights" ... which was met with a torrent of abuse and the finger from him  | |||
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"Did he have a box of milk tray in his hand?" Lololololololol | |||
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"Did he have a box of milk tray in his hand?" nearly had a double decker on his body | |||
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"pitch black, pouring with rain, narrow road in the middle of nowhere, and there he was, all black lycra, black bike with black wheels & tyres, no lights at all and nothing reflective on at all.... so so close as it was very last second before i caught a glimpse of him. btw, i was driving a double decker bus with interior lights on which reflect badly in the screen, he was such a very lucky man tonight
oh... and as i slowly went past him, i opened the door and shouted "you need some lights" ... which was met with a torrent of abuse and the finger from him "Charming. Well done you for not squashing him though! | |||
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"Did he have a box of milk tray in his hand? nearly had a double decker on his body" Haha  | |||
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"I'm really not a fan of bikes on the road especially when they hold up a queue of traffic by being on the road right next to a perfectly good bike path. " see alot of this on my travels | |||
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"I'm really not a fan of bikes on the road especially when they hold up a queue of traffic by being on the road right next to a perfectly good bike path. " Of course any carbon emissions the cyclist might think they are "saving" are completely wiped out hundredfold by cars having to grind along in low gear. | |||
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"I'm really not a fan of bikes on the road especially when they hold up a queue of traffic by being on the road right next to a perfectly good bike path. " From personal bike paths are awful I only use them when I have no lights, I used to pick up loads of punctures from idiots who threw bottles on the cycle path. When riding tubular tyres at £30 a pop you soon learn to keep to the roads, saying that I used to get pissed off with cars slowing me down when out and keeping up a decent speed. | |||
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"I'm really not a fan of bikes on the road especially when they hold up a queue of traffic by being on the road right next to a perfectly good bike path. From personal bike paths are awful I only use them when I have no lights, I used to pick up loads of punctures from idiots who threw bottles on the cycle path. When riding tubular tyres at £30 a pop you soon learn to keep to the roads, saying that I used to get pissed off with cars slowing me down when out and keeping up a decent speed." dont take this the wrong way....but sounds like you value life at around £30 | |||
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"I am a serious cyclist and even I have to shake my head at that idiot. I can't believe how many ride on the road without lights and then glare at you when you don't see you." exactly the same i thought being a cyclist that travel to n from work | |||
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"I'm really not a fan of bikes on the road especially when they hold up a queue of traffic by being on the road right next to a perfectly good bike path. " Cycles are allowed on British roads by Statute, cycle lanes are NOT compulsory and are very often worse than useless. They are often too narrow, unswept and full of road debris, they very often put the cyclist in the blind spot of a HGV or bus etc and very often stop without rhyme or reason. For these reasons i wont use them and will take up my rightful place on the road where i can both see and be seen by other road users. I will take the primary position when needed, and secondary when it is safe for me to do so. Anyone behind me should attempt to overtake in a safe and legal manner as they would any other vehicle. This is accepted best practice for cycling. | |||
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"I had one last week squeeze up the left hand side of my car at the front of a que of traffic, I was indicating left and he intended to go straight on. I lowered my window and warned him that I had no problem knocking him off if he tried to cut me up. I think he ended up waiting for about 4 more cars in the end..." For this reason (too many motorists don't indicate at lights til they move off) i wont use cycle lanes near junctions. I wait in the centre of the lane just like a car, if that upsets the person behind then tough, my safety is my primary concern. | |||
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"I had one last week squeeze up the left hand side of my car at the front of a que of traffic, I was indicating left and he intended to go straight on. I lowered my window and warned him that I had no problem knocking him off if he tried to cut me up. I think he ended up waiting for about 4 more cars in the end... For this reason (too many motorists don't indicate at lights til they move off) i wont use cycle lanes near junctions. I wait in the centre of the lane just like a car, if that upsets the person behind then tough, my safety is my primary concern." That, to me, is common sense and wouldn't bother me one bit....  | |||
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"I was walking back from my dr's and local shops earlier and 3 cyclists at different times were on the pavement, no lights, also one or two on the road, no lights. " during day light hours they dont have 2 use lights | |||
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"Cycle lanes are often terrible things, full of pedestrians, parked cars, trees, road signs and rubbish. " Yes and there free to use, no tax no insurence no mot , no test , wow why cant car drivers have it that easy scurge of the roadway . | |||
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"I was walking back from my dr's and local shops earlier and 3 cyclists at different times were on the pavement, no lights, also one or two on the road, no lights. " Heres a thing, you say 'cyclist' like all cyclists are one homogeneous group. Shall we say that all bus drivers act the same, all car drivers speed etc? What you saw were some road users acting irresponsibly, their method of transport does not define them. Go down that path and we start to dehumanise people and see them as objects. | |||
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"pitch black, pouring with rain, narrow road in the middle of nowhere, and there he was, all black lycra, black bike with black wheels & tyres, no lights at all and nothing reflective on at all.... so so close as it was very last second before i caught a glimpse of him. btw, i was driving a double decker bus with interior lights on which reflect badly in the screen, he was such a very lucky man tonight "he a Muppet. When i used to ride my bike i always had my high vis vest on. | |||
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"Cycle lanes are often terrible things, full of pedestrians, parked cars, trees, road signs and rubbish. Yes and there free to use, no tax no insurence no mot , no test , wow why cant car drivers have it that easy scurge of the roadway . " Oh dear, didn't take long did it? Nice rant though, completely incorrect and you even managed to spell some words incorrectly. 8/10 | |||
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"what gets me with some is they want ride two feet from the curb then expect me to give them a three foot space if i try to pass them but at the next junction they will squeeze down the six inch gap between the curb and my truck regardless of my left hand indicator flashing " | |||
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"I'm really not a fan of bikes on the road especially when they hold up a queue of traffic by being on the road right next to a perfectly good bike path. Cycles are allowed on British roads by Statute, cycle lanes are NOT compulsory and are very often worse than useless. They are often too narrow, unswept and full of road debris, they very often put the cyclist in the blind spot of a HGV or bus etc and very often stop without rhyme or reason. For these reasons i wont use them and will take up my rightful place on the road where i can both see and be seen by other road users. I will take the primary position when needed, and secondary when it is safe for me to do so. Anyone behind me should attempt to overtake in a safe and legal manner as they would any other vehicle. This is accepted best practice for cycling." I agree with you however, it may serve you well if you develop some sense of self preservation before you become another statistic. Having the right does not make you safe. As a biker and a cyclist I really prefer not to risk my life as I rather like living. Happy peddling chap | |||
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"Cycle lanes are often terrible things, full of pedestrians, parked cars, trees, road signs and rubbish. Yes and there free to use, no tax no insurence no mot , no test , wow why cant car drivers have it that easy scurge of the roadway . Oh dear, didn't take long did it? Nice rant though, completely incorrect and you even managed to spell some words incorrectly. 8/10" Please enlighten us , as to were the highways budget from the departemnt of transport funded in the largest part by the road fund /fuel duty comes from . sorry about spelling as my brain sees the words but cant pick out the mistakes . letter blindness is terrible . thank the lors for smell ckecker | |||
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"Cycle lanes are often terrible things, full of pedestrians, parked cars, trees, road signs and rubbish. Yes and there free to use, no tax no insurence no mot , no test , wow why cant car drivers have it that easy scurge of the roadway . Oh dear, didn't take long did it? Nice rant though, completely incorrect and you even managed to spell some words incorrectly. 8/10 Please enlighten us , as to were the highways budget from the departemnt of transport funded in the largest part by the road fund /fuel duty comes from . sorry about spelling as my brain sees the words but cant pick out the mistakes . letter blindness is terrible . thank the lors for smell ckecker "Well for starters there is no such thing as road tax, that was rescinded in 1937. VED is based on emissions and cycles are legally due to pay the appropriate taxation. As they are lower than minimum emissions they are classed as Band A vehicles and pay £0.00. Fuel duty is NOT hypothecated for road maintenance and is part of the general tax take. Roads are funded by Council Tax and are paid for by every working adult whether they drive or not. Its not difficult to learn these things but people do like to stick with their prejudices don't they? | |||
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"It's really unbelievable how anyone could think that having bikes and cars sharing the same space is ever going to work out well for the cyclist ... It's amusing that the growing popularity of dashcams is now producing more footage of idiot cyclists than the cyclists helmetcams are showing bad driving." i have been thinking of getting a dash cam as i do 50.000+ miles a yeah and as you say there are so many idiots out there but do the police ever do anything if you present them with footage of arseholes beit what ever there in or on ? | |||
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"pitch black, pouring with rain, narrow road in the middle of nowhere, and there he was, all black lycra, black bike with black wheels & tyres, no lights at all and nothing reflective on at all.... so so close as it was very last second before i caught a glimpse of him. btw, i was driving a double decker bus with interior lights on which reflect badly in the screen, he was such a very lucky man tonight "I tend to agree, that a lot of cyclists don't do themselves any favours. I had an experience a few days ago, of a young guy riding straight into the path of my car, at night, and like your experience, he had no lights. He didn't even look over his shoulder. Why do these idiots think a car can stop on a sixpence ? | |||
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"Cycle lanes are often terrible things, full of pedestrians, parked cars, trees, road signs and rubbish. Yes and there free to use, no tax no insurence no mot , no test , wow why cant car drivers have it that easy scurge of the roadway . Oh dear, didn't take long did it? Nice rant though, completely incorrect and you even managed to spell some words incorrectly. 8/10 Please enlighten us , as to were the highways budget from the departemnt of transport funded in the largest part by the road fund /fuel duty comes from . sorry about spelling as my brain sees the words but cant pick out the mistakes . letter blindness is terrible . thank the lors for smell ckecker
Well for starters there is no such thing as road tax, that was rescinded in 1937.
VED is based on emissions and cycles are legally due to pay the appropriate taxation. As they are lower than minimum emissions they are classed as Band A vehicles and pay £0.00.
Fuel duty is NOT hypothecated for road maintenance and is part of the general tax take.
Roads are funded by Council Tax and are paid for by every working adult whether they drive or not.
Its not difficult to learn these things but people do like to stick with their prejudices don't they?"Lots of big words there, but however you say it - car drivers pay far more to use the roads than cyclists. You sound like the type of militant cyclist who fervently believe that it's your "right" to piss off a whole queue of motorists by cycling through the gaps, positioning yourself right in front of the lead car, then wobbling precariously in front of them when the lights change. | |||
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"Cycle lanes are often terrible things, full of pedestrians, parked cars, trees, road signs and rubbish. Yes and there free to use, no tax no insurence no mot , no test , wow why cant car drivers have it that easy scurge of the roadway . Oh dear, didn't take long did it? Nice rant though, completely incorrect and you even managed to spell some words incorrectly. 8/10 Please enlighten us , as to were the highways budget from the departemnt of transport funded in the largest part by the road fund /fuel duty comes from . sorry about spelling as my brain sees the words but cant pick out the mistakes . letter blindness is terrible . thank the lors for smell ckecker
Well for starters there is no such thing as road tax, that was rescinded in 1937.
VED is based on emissions and cycles are legally due to pay the appropriate taxation. As they are lower than minimum emissions they are classed as Band A vehicles and pay £0.00.
Fuel duty is NOT hypothecated for road maintenance and is part of the general tax take.
Roads are funded by Council Tax and are paid for by every working adult whether they drive or not.
Its not difficult to learn these things but people do like to stick with their prejudices don't they?
Lots of big words there, but however you say it - car drivers pay far more to use the roads than cyclists. You sound like the type of militant cyclist who fervently believe that it's your "right" to piss off a whole queue of motorists by cycling through the gaps, positioning yourself right in front of the lead car, then wobbling precariously in front of them when the lights change."nice one | |||
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"I've just remembered this , last week I saw 2 cyclist with a short pole coming out from the side of bike with a dog attached and running along side. Is that even legal ? " you sure it was a pole?? could have been a russian or even a latvian | |||
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"I've just remembered this , last week I saw 2 cyclist with a short pole coming out from the side of bike with a dog attached and running along side. Is that even legal ? you sure it was a pole?? could have been a russian or even a latvian " | |||
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"I've just remembered this , last week I saw 2 cyclist with a short pole coming out from the side of bike with a dog attached and running along side. Is that even legal ? " I doubt it's illegal. I can imagine legislators ever imagined anyone could do such a stupid thing and therefore never thought to make it part of any law. | |||
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"Cycle lanes are often terrible things, full of pedestrians, parked cars, trees, road signs and rubbish. Yes and there free to use, no tax no insurence no mot , no test , wow why cant car drivers have it that easy scurge of the roadway . Oh dear, didn't take long did it? Nice rant though, completely incorrect and you even managed to spell some words incorrectly. 8/10 Please enlighten us , as to were the highways budget from the departemnt of transport funded in the largest part by the road fund /fuel duty comes from . sorry about spelling as my brain sees the words but cant pick out the mistakes . letter blindness is terrible . thank the lors for smell ckecker
Well for starters there is no such thing as road tax, that was rescinded in 1937.
VED is based on emissions and cycles are legally due to pay the appropriate taxation. As they are lower than minimum emissions they are classed as Band A vehicles and pay £0.00.
Fuel duty is NOT hypothecated for road maintenance and is part of the general tax take.
Roads are funded by Council Tax and are paid for by every working adult whether they drive or not.
Its not difficult to learn these things but people do like to stick with their prejudices don't they?
Lots of big words there, but however you say it - car drivers pay far more to use the roads than cyclists. You sound like the type of militant cyclist who fervently believe that it's your "right" to piss off a whole queue of motorists by cycling through the gaps, positioning yourself right in front of the lead car, then wobbling precariously in front of them when the lights change."And you would be completely wrong. I observe all the road rules, ride courteously and as pleasantly as possible. I do however understand both how roads are funded and my rights as a cyclist. The old 'tax' argument is simply a smokescreen to allow people to denigrate a group of people who are going about their business quite legally. | |||
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"I can;t be bothered to read all of this. I can tell how it is going. I don't acuse all motorists of being d*unk drivers. I don't criticise all motorists for using phones. I don;t have a go at all motorists for speeding. Or driving uninsured. Or without a licence. Because personally I'm intelligent to realise that you cannot lump all motorists as one. So why the fuck do some motorists insist on lumping me in with ALL cyclists including the idiots? And worse often, and totally illogically expect me to justify their behaviour? That bad cyclist, would probably be an idiot driving. And they'd be the sort of idiot that crosses the road with headphones on and happily texting away. The key point is that they are an idiot, the mode of transport is generally irrelevent. " here fucking here | |||
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"Even when organisations like Sustrans fund proper Copenhagen style cycle path at a cost of many millions, cyclists often don't use them because "cyclists don't like being told where to ride"." It's nothing to do with not liking where we are told to ride. Look at the East London Coroner's comments recently about cycle paths being inadequate, poorly planned, having no legal standing and worse of all lulling cyclists in to a false sense of security. | |||
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"what gets me with some is they want ride two feet from the curb then expect me to give them a three foot space if i try to pass them but at the next junction they will squeeze down the six inch gap between the curb and my truck regardless of my left hand indicator flashing " It;s called the primary position. Same as motorcyclists use. And about to be the subject of a government campaign encouraging more cyclists to use it and telling motorists to respect it. That said any cyclist that goes anywhere near the inside of a stationary vehicle, particularly a large one is asking for trouble. | |||
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"Another one killed in London today Still not averaging seven per week" I don;t understand the comment about seven a week? | |||
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"Even when organisations like Sustrans fund proper Copenhagen style cycle path at a cost of many millions, cyclists often don't use them because "cyclists don't like being told where to ride". It's nothing to do with not liking where we are told to ride. Look at the East London Coroner's comments recently about cycle paths being inadequate, poorly planned, having no legal standing and worse of all lulling cyclists in to a false sense of security. " Unfortunately too true
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"I can;t be bothered to read all of this. I can tell how it is going. I don't acuse all motorists of being d*unk drivers. I don't criticise all motorists for using phones. I don;t have a go at all motorists for speeding. Or driving uninsured. Or without a licence. Because personally I'm intelligent to realise that you cannot lump all motorists as one. So why the fuck do some motorists insist on lumping me in with ALL cyclists including the idiots? And worse often, and totally illogically expect me to justify their behaviour? That bad cyclist, would probably be an idiot driving. And they'd be the sort of idiot that crosses the road with headphones on and happily texting away. The key point is that they are an idiot, the mode of transport is generally irrelevent. "
I ride quite a bit but I also own 4 cars, so arguing that cyclists don't pay is a little silly. If I'm on my bike, that bit of road is mine, just as it would be if I was in a car. All you need is a little patience and to realise that 2 mins added on your journey by being aware and courteous to a vulnerable road user is nothing in the grand scheme of things. | |||
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"pitch black, pouring with rain, narrow road in the middle of nowhere, and there he was, all black lycra, black bike with black wheels & tyres, no lights at all and nothing reflective on at all.... so so close as it was very last second before i caught a glimpse of him. btw, i was driving a double decker bus with interior lights on which reflect badly in the screen, he was such a very lucky man tonight
oh... and as i slowly went past him, i opened the door and shouted "you need some lights" ... which was met with a torrent of abuse and the finger from him "Get your bus into the workshop at once. The door should not open when the bus is moving Just saying | |||
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"what gets me with some is they want ride two feet from the curb then expect me to give them a three foot space if i try to pass them but at the next junction they will squeeze down the six inch gap between the curb and my truck regardless of my left hand indicator flashing It;s called the primary position. Same as motorcyclists use. And about to be the subject of a government campaign encouraging more cyclists to use it and telling motorists to respect it. That said any cyclist that goes anywhere near the inside of a stationary vehicle, particularly a large one is asking for trouble." Which is why i always take primary then sit in the traffic, safer that way. Truck drivers have horrible blind spots that are too easy to get hurt in. | |||
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"Even when organisations like Sustrans fund proper Copenhagen style cycle path at a cost of many millions, cyclists often don't use them because "cyclists don't like being told where to ride". It's nothing to do with not liking where we are told to ride. Look at the East London Coroner's comments recently about cycle paths being inadequate, poorly planned, having no legal standing and worse of all lulling cyclists in to a false sense of security. " this.. and that bunch of complete fuckwits in City Hall will continue to bury their heads in the sand as more people are killed rather than address the issue properly.. | |||
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"Even when organisations like Sustrans fund proper Copenhagen style cycle path at a cost of many millions, cyclists often don't use them because "cyclists don't like being told where to ride". It's nothing to do with not liking where we are told to ride. Look at the East London Coroner's comments recently about cycle paths being inadequate, poorly planned, having no legal standing and worse of all lulling cyclists in to a false sense of security. this.. and that bunch of complete fuckwits in City Hall will continue to bury their heads in the sand as more people are killed rather than address the issue properly.." And City Hall also refuse to consider why HGV's and construction traffic are involved in a disproportionately high number of accidents, both fatal and non-fatal and involving pedestrians as well as cyclists. | |||
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"I can;t be bothered to read all of this. I can tell how it is going. I don't acuse all motorists of being d*unk drivers. I don't criticise all motorists for using phones. I don;t have a go at all motorists for speeding. Or driving uninsured. Or without a licence. Because personally I'm intelligent to realise that you cannot lump all motorists as one. So why the fuck do some motorists insist on lumping me in with ALL cyclists including the idiots? And worse often, and totally illogically expect me to justify their behaviour? That bad cyclist, would probably be an idiot driving. And they'd be the sort of idiot that crosses the road with headphones on and happily texting away. The key point is that they are an idiot, the mode of transport is generally irrelevent. here fucking here "+` | |||
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"In order to attempt to stay safe on a bike, you HAVE to be confident of your abilities and make yourself seen and understood. Cycle lanes are lip service to anything remotely safe, there to shut whingers up and completely ignored by most drivers. My son is a statistic of London cyclists, injured by a twat doing an illegal right turn, straight into his path. He will never have a fully functioning arm again, faces years of surgery and pain and emotional trauma. Hearing your six footer, handsome, hunky son screaming and pleading them to stop will haunt me forever. The bloke I missed by a whisker this evening because he, like the twat in the OP's post was completely invisible? I hope you never go through what we have." this is just it .... what made todays near miss worse was that it is the 25th anniversary of a 17 yearold lad who shot out in front of me when i was just 10-12 feet away, he came at me from behind some bushes at an angle of 90 degrees to which i was travelling (again, in a bus) in the very same weather and light conditions as tonight at 5-00ish the last thing i remember of this incident was of this poor lads head and shoulders coming through the windscreen right in front of my face, and he was screaming with what turned out to be his very last breath ever. so yeah .... tonight really brought back the trauma of that night, and which still haunts me on this date every year I really dont need to read about whos best or right or wrong on the roads. all i was hoping from this thread (which was actually a rant in the OP) was that people would have more give & take on the roads, there is no right and no wrong, just be considerate and take more care, use more common sense and if on a bike, make sure your lights work and you wear reflective clothing, especially in the dark mornings & nights. thankyou for listening. i'm out | |||
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" Oh dear, didn't take long did it? Nice rant though, completely incorrect and you even managed to spell some words incorrectly. 8/10" Ad hominem ... poor show " VED is based on emissions and cycles are legally due to pay the appropriate taxation. As they are lower than minimum emissions they are classed as Band A vehicles and pay £0.00." What utter rubbish. Bicycles have no VED rating at all. Even Band A vehicles paying nothing have to display a VED disk " Its not difficult to learn these things but people do like to stick with their prejudices don't they?" Yes you do | |||
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" Oh dear, didn't take long did it? Nice rant though, completely incorrect and you even managed to spell some words incorrectly. 8/10 Ad hominem ... poor show VED is based on emissions and cycles are legally due to pay the appropriate taxation. As they are lower than minimum emissions they are classed as Band A vehicles and pay £0.00. What utter rubbish. Bicycles have no VED rating at all. Even Band A vehicles paying nothing have to display a VED disk Its not difficult to learn these things but people do like to stick with their prejudices don't they? Yes you do "Wrong again.Cycles are classed as carriages under a Parliamentary Act of 1888. For legal purposes they are indeed liable for taxation at the Band A rate, although they do not need to display a zero-sum disc because it is blatantly obvious they are non-emitting vehicles, unlike a regular Band A car that isn't so instantly obvious. Cycles are legally carriages since 1888, motor cars were classified as such in 1903. Its rather difficult to be prejudiced against car ownership considering we have one parked right outside the door. What i do dislike is people spewing out anti cyclist bile then attempting to justify it with spurious and fallacious claims about taxation etc. | |||
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" all i was hoping from this thread (which was actually a rant in the OP) was that people would have more give & take on the roads, there is no right and no wrong, Sorry but that is at complete odds with the clear aggression and contempt shown in your first 2 posts and the title of the thread.
well if you read the bit that you have quoted on, you may notice the piece that says "was actually a rant in the OP", which to me says that at the time i was very angry and frightened but have since calmed down,
after all .... how many people have you killed in an accident that was not your fault??? and then almost relived on the anniversary of it??? it does tend to make you rant a little"In all honesty, as you have already been called out on the fact that you cannot have opened your doors and shouted abuse at the cyclist today (and therefore your second post on this thread is at best fabrication), I'm not convinced by the truth of a single word you say. But regardless of what you claim EVERY post that you have made on this thread has been anti-cyclist until this last one. I'm sorry but I fail to see how you can claim that this thread is about how you promote give and take on the roads and encourage people to be more considerate and take more care. If you were involved in a fatal RTC then I genuinely feel for you, I have seen the fall out many, many times. But if you have I find it odd that you could be so flippant in some of your earlier posts. | |||
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" Oh dear, didn't take long did it? Nice rant though, completely incorrect and you even managed to spell some words incorrectly. 8/10 Ad hominem ... poor show VED is based on emissions and cycles are legally due to pay the appropriate taxation. As they are lower than minimum emissions they are classed as Band A vehicles and pay £0.00. What utter rubbish. Bicycles have no VED rating at all. Even Band A vehicles paying nothing have to display a VED disk Its not difficult to learn these things but people do like to stick with their prejudices don't they? Yes you do
Wrong again.Cycles are classed as carriages under a Parliamentary Act of 1888. For legal purposes they are indeed liable for taxation at the Band A rate, although they do not need to display a zero-sum disc because it is blatantly obvious they are non-emitting vehicles, unlike a regular Band A car that isn't so instantly obvious.
Cycles are legally carriages since 1888, motor cars were classified as such in 1903.
Its rather difficult to be prejudiced against car ownership considering we have one parked right outside the door.
What i do dislike is people spewing out anti cyclist bile then attempting to justify it with spurious and fallacious claims about taxation etc."
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Wrong again.Cycles are classed as carriages under a Parliamentary Act of 1888. For legal purposes they are indeed liable for taxation at the Band A rate, although they do not need to display a zero-sum disc because it is blatantly obvious they are non-emitting vehicles, unlike a regular Band A car that isn't so instantly obvious.
Cycles are legally carriages since 1888, motor cars were classified as such in 1903.
Its rather difficult to be prejudiced against car ownership considering we have one parked right outside the door.
What i do dislike is people spewing out anti cyclist bile then attempting to justify it with spurious and fallacious claims about taxation etc.
stop it with the factual stuff please..
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" all i was hoping from this thread (which was actually a rant in the OP) was that people would have more give & take on the roads, there is no right and no wrong, Sorry but that is at complete odds with the clear aggression and contempt shown in your first 2 posts and the title of the thread.
well if you read the bit that you have quoted on, you may notice the piece that says "was actually a rant in the OP", which to me says that at the time i was very angry and frightened but have since calmed down,
after all .... how many people have you killed in an accident that was not your fault??? and then almost relived on the anniversary of it??? it does tend to make you rant a little
In all honesty, as you have already been called out on the fact that you cannot have opened your doors and shouted abuse at the cyclist today (and therefore your second post on this thread is at best fabrication), I'm not convinced by the truth of a single word you say.
But regardless of what you claim EVERY post that you have made on this thread has been anti-cyclist until this last one. I'm sorry but I fail to see how you can claim that this thread is about how you promote give and take on the roads and encourage people to be more considerate and take more care. If you were involved in a fatal RTC then I genuinely feel for you, I have seen the fall out many, many times. But if you have I find it odd that you could be so flippant in some of your earlier posts."check your facts before commenting, you can open the doors whilst travelling on an older double decker bus, its only the newer ones where this cannot be done, and i really do hope that you are not challenging the authenticity of something that really did happen to me, i think i will step out of this thread before i say something that may get me a ban | |||
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"I'm really not a fan of bikes on the road especially when they hold up a queue of traffic by being on the road right next to a perfectly good bike path. i assume that is a piss take? the cyclist has as much right to be on the road as you,even if there is a cycle lane. i take it as there was a cycle lane it was in a city,therefor the average speed of the bike will be higher than the car. It was along the sea front where the bike lane is well kept, I had to slow down to under 20 as I couldn't over take him due to him being too far out and other cars coming towards me. What's the point of bike lanes if not to be used. "And in reality, how much time did slowing down cost you? Seconds? Maybe a minute at most... And from how you describe it, the cyclist has quite rightly assumed the primary position to prevent you from overtaking due to the lack of space and oncoming traffic. | |||
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"I'm really not a fan of bikes on the road especially when they hold up a queue of traffic by being on the road right next to a perfectly good bike path. i assume that is a piss take? the cyclist has as much right to be on the road as you,even if there is a cycle lane. i take it as there was a cycle lane it was in a city,therefor the average speed of the bike will be higher than the car. It was along the sea front where the bike lane is well kept, I had to slow down to under 20 as I couldn't over take him due to him being too far out and other cars coming towards me. What's the point of bike lanes if not to be used.
And in reality, how much time did slowing down cost you? Seconds? Maybe a minute at most...
And from how you describe it, the cyclist has quite rightly assumed the primary position to prevent you from overtaking due to the lack of space and oncoming traffic.
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"I'm really not a fan of bikes on the road especially when they hold up a queue of traffic by being on the road right next to a perfectly good bike path. i assume that is a piss take? the cyclist has as much right to be on the road as you,even if there is a cycle lane. i take it as there was a cycle lane it was in a city,therefor the average speed of the bike will be higher than the car. It was along the sea front where the bike lane is well kept, I had to slow down to under 20 as I couldn't over take him due to him being too far out and other cars coming towards me. What's the point of bike lanes if not to be used.
And in reality, how much time did slowing down cost you? Seconds? Maybe a minute at most...
And from how you describe it, the cyclist has quite rightly assumed the primary position to prevent you from overtaking due to the lack of space and oncoming traffic.
But why didn't he just use the blooming cycle path lol "And if he had blooming well moved over instead of assuming the primary position there would have been plenty of room for me to over take | |||
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"I'm really not a fan of bikes on the road especially when they hold up a queue of traffic by being on the road right next to a perfectly good bike path. i assume that is a piss take? the cyclist has as much right to be on the road as you,even if there is a cycle lane. i take it as there was a cycle lane it was in a city,therefor the average speed of the bike will be higher than the car. It was along the sea front where the bike lane is well kept, I had to slow down to under 20 as I couldn't over take him due to him being too far out and other cars coming towards me. What's the point of bike lanes if not to be used. "I don't know the area so can't comment on that particular case in point. However, would you attempt to overtake a car if there were oncoming traffic? As - under rule 163 of the Highway Code - you must give cyclists the same amount of room as you would give a small car, then if you could not safely overtake a small car in those circumstances then you should not be overtaking a cyclist. In general this is the thing cyclists find extremely upsetting, which is why the primary position is taught (by the Institute of Advanced Motorists for example) so that following motorists have to make an actual overtaking manoevre rather than slide past without deviating from their line. Its not arrogance, its ensuring our safety. Having said that, i always try to let vehicles past as soon as it is safe by moving back into the secondary position. If more drivers understood why cyclists ride in the above manner much unpleasantness could be avoided. | |||
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"I'm really not a fan of bikes on the road especially when they hold up a queue of traffic by being on the road right next to a perfectly good bike path. i assume that is a piss take? the cyclist has as much right to be on the road as you,even if there is a cycle lane. i take it as there was a cycle lane it was in a city,therefor the average speed of the bike will be higher than the car. It was along the sea front where the bike lane is well kept, I had to slow down to under 20 as I couldn't over take him due to him being too far out and other cars coming towards me. What's the point of bike lanes if not to be used.
And in reality, how much time did slowing down cost you? Seconds? Maybe a minute at most...
And from how you describe it, the cyclist has quite rightly assumed the primary position to prevent you from overtaking due to the lack of space and oncoming traffic.
But why didn't he just use the blooming cycle path lol "Because he didn;t want to? Because he felt it was dangerous? Because he felt that riding at 20mph on a shared facility was dangerous? Because he felt the cyclepath was ill thought out? Because he knew he'd be turning right in a short distance and being in the road was the safest and quickest option? There are countless reasons and there is no legal reason or expectation to use it. And I repeat how much time did it cost you? | |||
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"These wankers don't even have helmets on where i live. No wonder they keep dying at that roundabout. Daft buggers!! Wear your helmets fab cyclists and don't ride like a muppet!! "Ignoring the fact that helmets aren;t a legal; requirement, all 3 cyclists that have died at Bow got hit by HGV's and 2 died of multiple injuries (the 3rd hasn't had the post mortem results published yet) - so tell me what difference would a helmet have made? And as you so flippantly criticise the dead - are you sure non of them had helmets on? | |||
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"Reminds me of the time I nearly got knocked over by a cyclist hurtling along. Cars had stopped at the red light but he didn't think red lights were applicable to him, I had a near miss but 2 cars honked at him and as he swerved he fell off hope he learnt a lesson that day."Red light jumpers are a particular hot button of mine - whether on a cycle or in a car. No need for it, yet i see cars jumping red lights at every junction on my daily commute and i see this one chap on an expensive bike jump the lights each week. Really annoys the hell out of me. | |||
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"I'm really not a fan of bikes on the road especially when they hold up a queue of traffic by being on the road right next to a perfectly good bike path. i assume that is a piss take? the cyclist has as much right to be on the road as you,even if there is a cycle lane. i take it as there was a cycle lane it was in a city,therefor the average speed of the bike will be higher than the car. It was along the sea front where the bike lane is well kept, I had to slow down to under 20 as I couldn't over take him due to him being too far out and other cars coming towards me. What's the point of bike lanes if not to be used.
And in reality, how much time did slowing down cost you? Seconds? Maybe a minute at most...
And from how you describe it, the cyclist has quite rightly assumed the primary position to prevent you from overtaking due to the lack of space and oncoming traffic.
But why didn't he just use the blooming cycle path lol
Because he didn;t want to? Because he felt it was dangerous? Because he felt that riding at 20mph on a shared facility was dangerous? Because he felt the cyclepath was ill thought out? Because he knew he'd be turning right in a short distance and being in the road was the safest and quickest option?
There are countless reasons and there is no legal reason or expectation to use it.
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"I haven't read through. I think it's 6 people killed in London in the last two weeks and 14 people this year so far. " and 65 pedestrians but we dont see a big fuss being made about it ? | |||
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"I haven't read through. I think it's 6 people killed in London in the last two weeks and 14 people this year so far. and 65 pedestrians but we dont see a big fuss being made about it ?" We should, its a disgrace | |||
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"I haven't read through. I think it's 6 people killed in London in the last two weeks and 14 people this year so far. and 65 pedestrians but we dont see a big fuss being made about it ?" But there should be. I'm not sure how the fact that there isn;t somehow makes the death of cyclists acceptable. Why should we put up and shut up? | |||
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"Just co-exist and stop wining about everyone else. I am sick of all the cyclist / motorcyclist /white van man /pedestrian / horse rider bashing that goes on these days. The fact is that the roads are overcrowded and yes there are idiots who use all means of transport. If we all just concentrated on driving / riding our own vehicles in a competent and safe manner and being courteous to other road users we might all get home in one piece without getting hurt! " I do agree, unfortunately there are a minority who think that certain other road users have no rights and are therefore worth less than others. | |||
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"These wankers don't even have helmets on where i live. No wonder they keep dying at that roundabout. Daft buggers!! Wear your helmets fab cyclists and don't ride like a muppet!!
Ignoring the fact that helmets aren;t a legal; requirement, all 3 cyclists that have died at Bow got hit by HGV's and 2 died of multiple injuries (the 3rd hasn't had the post mortem results published yet) - so tell me what difference would a helmet have made?
And as you so flippantly criticise the dead - are you sure non of them had helmets on?"I live round there. And our roads have been made narrower and narrower to accomodate the cyclists. But, they ride around with no care in the world and keep weaving in and out. And yes, my statements may seem generic but those who drive in London and especially where I live know what I am talking about.  | |||
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"Reminds me of the time I nearly got knocked over by a cyclist hurtling along. Cars had stopped at the red light but he didn't think red lights were applicable to him, I had a near miss but 2 cars honked at him and as he swerved he fell off hope he learnt a lesson that day.
Red light jumpers are a particular hot button of mine - whether on a cycle or in a car. No need for it, yet i see cars jumping red lights at every junction on my daily commute and i see this one chap on an expensive bike jump the lights each week.
Really annoys the hell out of me."The amount of cars that routinely jump red lights in London is laughable. But motorists never moan about that. | |||
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"Just co-exist and stop wining about everyone else. I am sick of all the cyclist / motorcyclist /white van man /pedestrian / horse rider bashing that goes on these days. The fact is that the roads are overcrowded and yes there are idiots who use all means of transport. If we all just concentrated on driving / riding our own vehicles in a competent and safe manner and being courteous to other road users we might all get home in one piece without getting hurt! " I do agree, unfortunately there are a minority who think that certain other road users have no rights and are therefore worth less than others. | |||
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"These wankers don't even have helmets on where i live. No wonder they keep dying at that roundabout. Daft buggers!! Wear your helmets fab cyclists and don't ride like a muppet!!
Ignoring the fact that helmets aren;t a legal; requirement, all 3 cyclists that have died at Bow got hit by HGV's and 2 died of multiple injuries (the 3rd hasn't had the post mortem results published yet) - so tell me what difference would a helmet have made?
And as you so flippantly criticise the dead - are you sure non of them had helmets on?
I live round there. And our roads have been made narrower and narrower to accomodate the cyclists. But, they ride around with no care in the world and keep weaving in and out.
And yes, my statements may seem generic but those who drive in London and especially where I live know what I am talking about.
"Commuted over that junction twice a day for over a year so don't make out I'm not familiar with it. Your comments weren't generic, they were factually incorrect and showed a total lack of respect to the 3 dead. Why would you refer to them as wankers is beyond me. Maybe, you could speak to the East London Coroner and tell him how flawed their inquest was, that all his findings were wrong and they died because they weren't wearing helmets (even though you don;t know whether they were or not). | |||
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"These wankers don't even have helmets on where i live. No wonder they keep dying at that roundabout. Daft buggers!! Wear your helmets fab cyclists and don't ride like a muppet!!
Ignoring the fact that helmets aren;t a legal; requirement, all 3 cyclists that have died at Bow got hit by HGV's and 2 died of multiple injuries (the 3rd hasn't had the post mortem results published yet) - so tell me what difference would a helmet have made?
And as you so flippantly criticise the dead - are you sure non of them had helmets on?
I live round there. And our roads have been made narrower and narrower to accomodate the cyclists. But, they ride around with no care in the world and keep weaving in and out.
And yes, my statements may seem generic but those who drive in London and especially where I live know what I am talking about.
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"pitch black, pouring with rain, narrow road in the middle of nowhere, and there he was, all black lycra, black bike with black wheels & tyres, no lights at all and nothing reflective on at all.... so so close as it was very last second before i caught a glimpse of him. btw, i was driving a double decker bus with interior lights on which reflect badly in the screen, he was such a very lucky man tonight "Some people have a death wish, why who knows but I fail to believe people are really that stupid. | |||
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"I was walking back from my dr's and local shops earlier and 3 cyclists at different times were on the pavement, no lights, also one or two on the road, no lights. during day light hours they dont have 2 use lights " Yes I know but it was 5pm, so was dusk and they couldn't be seen too well. still their problem, not mine | |||
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"I had one last week squeeze up the left hand side of my car at the front of a que of traffic, I was indicating left and he intended to go straight on. I lowered my window and warned him that I had no problem knocking him off if he tried to cut me up. I think he ended up waiting for about 4 more cars in the end... For this reason (too many motorists don't indicate at lights til they move off) i wont use cycle lanes near junctions. I wait in the centre of the lane just like a car, if that upsets the person behind then tough, my safety is my primary concern." I was taught to do that in my cycle proficiency 30 odd years ago. I would prefer a cyclist to stop in front of me in a queue of traffic, I can see him, and he knows I am not going to go straight over him. I don't understand why people cannot wait a few seconds, to overtake a cyclist when it's safe and they can give them plenty of room. It's a few seconds! | |||
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"what gets me with some is they want ride two feet from the curb then expect me to give them a three foot space if i try to pass them but at the next junction they will squeeze down the six inch gap between the curb and my truck regardless of my left hand indicator flashing " Do what I do. Hug the curb when queueing at a junction. They SHOULD take up a proper position, but have not been taught to. They will probably just mount the pavement anyway. | |||
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"These wankers don't even have helmets on where i live. No wonder they keep dying at that roundabout. Daft buggers!! Wear your helmets fab cyclists and don't ride like a muppet!!
Ignoring the fact that helmets aren;t a legal; requirement, all 3 cyclists that have died at Bow got hit by HGV's and 2 died of multiple injuries (the 3rd hasn't had the post mortem results published yet) - so tell me what difference would a helmet have made?
And as you so flippantly criticise the dead - are you sure non of them had helmets on?
I live round there. And our roads have been made narrower and narrower to accomodate the cyclists. But, they ride around with no care in the world and keep weaving in and out.
And yes, my statements may seem generic but those who drive in London and especially where I live know what I am talking about.
And when you say "our roads" what do you mean? Why are you assuming cars have a priority over other road users? "1. Maybe it should be a legal requirement that cyclists wear helmets. 2. The wankers I refer to are the inconsiderate cyclists and not the deceased. 3. The reason I say 'our roads' is because I live within that area and constantly use that stretch of road; not the assumption that cars have priority over other users. 4. Regardless of whether my information may be factually correct or not. I am just sharing my experiences of living in East London where this is a common problem. 5. Everyone needs to exercise due care and attention whilst on the road. Too many people are dying on the road, whilst it could have been easily prevented. ...and these are my opinions. | |||
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"I'm really not a fan of bikes on the road especially when they hold up a queue of traffic by being on the road right next to a perfectly good bike path. From personal bike paths are awful I only use them when I have no lights, I used to pick up loads of punctures from idiots who threw bottles on the cycle path. When riding tubular tyres at £30 a pop you soon learn to keep to the roads, saying that I used to get pissed off with cars slowing me down when out and keeping up a decent speed. dont take this the wrong way....but sounds like you value life at around £30 " Well when I was buying these tubular tyres I was getting paid £35 a week, so yes it was a case of riding on the roads was safer. Also the cycle path was next to a dual carriageway that I used to race on in a time trial ,so would you like me to race on a footpath??? lets swap this for a second, I am on the cycle path on the pavement only thing separating me from pedestrians is a painted line. I am riding at 25 to 30 mph is this safe, if your kid wanders into my path where would you want me to be riding on a cycle path or on the road. As I am not sure of the damage that can be done by a cycle hitting a kid at 25 mph plus but I dare say it could be life threatening. just think the next time you come up against a cyclist think to yourself, what would you do if it was your mother, daughter, father, son or maybe husband or wife riding that bike. Would you treat them the same I don't think so, so don't treat us differently as one day it might be your relative on the bike and we might get pissed off and drive like some of you do or take the attitude you do. | |||
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"pitch black, pouring with rain, narrow road in the middle of nowhere, and there he was, all black lycra, black bike with black wheels & tyres, no lights at all and nothing reflective on at all.... so so close as it was very last second before i caught a glimpse of him. btw, i was driving a double decker bus with interior lights on which reflect badly in the screen, he was such a very lucky man tonight " | |||
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"pitch black, pouring with rain, narrow road in the middle of nowhere, and there he was, all black lycra, black bike with black wheels & tyres, no lights at all and nothing reflective on at all.... so so close as it was very last second before i caught a glimpse of him. btw, i was driving a double decker bus with interior lights on which reflect badly in the screen, he was such a very lucky man tonight "I don't think you should post this as all cyclists, as a keen cyclist myself, I believe the one you have quoted to be a Dickhead. In the past I have had my issues with other road users and was nearly killed last winter by a guy who came out of a well kit T junction and claimed he could not see me. My friends describe me as a cycling disco, I am that well lit. For the record I don't tag all drivers the same as him A Dickhead. I too am a driver. | |||
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"pitch black, pouring with rain, narrow road in the middle of nowhere, and there he was, all black lycra, black bike with black wheels & tyres, no lights at all and nothing reflective on at all.... so so close as it was very last second before i caught a glimpse of him. btw, i was driving a double decker bus with interior lights on which reflect badly in the screen, he was such a very lucky man tonight I don't think you should post this as all cyclists, as a keen cyclist myself, I believe the one you have quoted to be a Dickhead. In the past I have had my issues with other road users and was nearly killed last winter by a guy who came out of a well kit T junction and claimed he could not see me. My friends describe me as a cycling disco, I am that well lit. For the record I don't tag all drivers the same as him A Dickhead. I too am a driver. "My oh is a cyclist and a driver. I am not either but as a lollipop lady encounter them myself, they unfortunately give the good a bad name | |||
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"There have been a number of posts here that suggest the "Clarkson doctrine" of "I'm in a car I pay road tax, I pay fuel duty (tax) and VAT (tax) on that tax, your on a bike and dont, get out of my way!". Fair point in a way... However HGV's pay lots more than cars and cars regularly pull the same sort of tricks on HGV's, ask any HGV driver... So if the implicit suggestion is that the "Clarkson Doctrine" is correct because cars pay more road taxes than cycles and therefore should have more rights on the road, then it follows that big expensive fuel guzzling cars which pay more taxes and duties duties than economic cars should have even more rights. It also follows that as HGV's pay much more than cars they should also have more rights than everyone else on the road... How many car drivers still think that the Clarkson doctrine of "I'm in a car and pay road tax, your on a bike and dont, get out of my way is correct? " ... sorry but that's a crock of crap ... I don't see many arctic lorries owned by the general public??? so its business!! and even though it's costly they factor running cost's in | |||
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"There have been a number of posts here that suggest the "Clarkson doctrine" of "I'm in a car I pay road tax, I pay fuel duty (tax) and VAT (tax) on that tax, your on a bike and dont, get out of my way!". Fair point in a way... However HGV's pay lots more than cars and cars regularly pull the same sort of tricks on HGV's, ask any HGV driver... So if the implicit suggestion is that the "Clarkson Doctrine" is correct because cars pay more road taxes than cycles and therefore should have more rights on the road, then it follows that big expensive fuel guzzling cars which pay more taxes and duties duties than economic cars should have even more rights. It also follows that as HGV's pay much more than cars they should also have more rights than everyone else on the road... How many car drivers still think that the Clarkson doctrine of "I'm in a car and pay road tax, your on a bike and dont, get out of my way is correct?" "... sorry but that's a crock of crap ... I don't see many arctic lorries owned by the general public??? so its business!! and even though it's costly they factor running cost's in " Ah right, so HGV's are commercial and so dont count because your a private motorist... And I also notice you conveniently fail to mention my point about big fuel guzzling cars... Would that be because you drive a Chelsea tractor? | |||
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"I often wonder if cyclists are colour blind..but the traffic lights change in a sequence so that can't be why they often ignore them!!" For the same reason pedestrians ignore them and motor vehicles for the most part dont... Pedestrians and cyclists dont have number plates! | |||
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Not accountable? Maybe your right. Just can't help thinking its a bit like Russian roulette..and as a result sometimes fatal;Very sad."Most people dont think like that, all they are interested in is getting wherever they want to be as quickly as possible, and if they think they can get away with it, they will bully all that get in their way to save a few seconds. Then when it does go wrong its a case of denial. Its just the way we are, and it makes no odds whether its the pedestrian jumping in front of cars forcing them to slam on breaks and then getting aggressive to the driver or the driver shouting that he will run down the cyclist, or the cyclist pushing through the pedestrians crossing the road at the red light, its all the same. We all do it, some more than others, and the vast majority deny any wrongdoing. But we hate traffic cameras and reserve a special place in our hatred for average speed cameras and mobile cameras! and as you say when you play Russian roulette people die. | |||
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" Wrong again.Cycles are classed as carriages under a Parliamentary Act of 1888. For legal purposes they are indeed liable for taxation at the Band A rate, although they do not need to display a zero-sum disc because it is blatantly obvious they are non-emitting vehicles, unlike a regular Band A car that isn't so instantly obvious. Cycles are legally carriages since 1888, motor cars were classified as such in 1903. " As to if they are carriages or not as defined by law is totally pointless and of no relevance when talking about VED The Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994 states in the opening line "A duty of excise (“vehicle excise duty”) shall be charged in respect of every mechanically propelled vehicle that-" There are no clarifications towards carriages or cycles and last time I looked cycles no mechanical power source. Your "facts" as usual are biased and just plain wrong. There is NOTHING "blatantly obvious" in UK law. | |||
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" Wrong again.Cycles are classed as carriages under a Parliamentary Act of 1888. For legal purposes they are indeed liable for taxation at the Band A rate, although they do not need to display a zero-sum disc because it is blatantly obvious they are non-emitting vehicles, unlike a regular Band A car that isn't so instantly obvious. Cycles are legally carriages since 1888, motor cars were classified as such in 1903. As to if they are carriages or not as defined by law is totally pointless and of no relevance when talking about VED The Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994 states in the opening line "A duty of excise (“vehicle excise duty”) shall be charged in respect of every mechanically propelled vehicle that-" There are no clarifications towards carriages or cycles and last time I looked cycles no mechanical power source. Your "facts" as usual are biased and just plain wrong. There is NOTHING "blatantly obvious" in UK law." https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-tax-rate-tables Cycles are required to pay for VED (and therefore display) when using a trade license - £78.00 per annum. Whether you like it or not cycles are classed as carriages and for legal purposes categorised as Band A vehicles. If you feel you want to waste more taxpayers money feel free to write to the Dept of Transport and demand cycles display a pointless tax disc. Or we can just agree that you hate cyclists because you percieve them to be getting something 'for free' even though that concept has bee repeatedly disproven. Horses/Cycles/Pedestrians use the roads by Statutory Right, it would take an act of Parliament to change this. I doubt any of the 'Clarkson Brigade' will change what passes for their minds So it's rather pointless continuing with people like that. I'm off to cycle to work and i shall ride in a manner that keeps me safe from people who think i am worthless due to my mode of transport. | |||
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""Lots of big words there, but however you say it - car drivers pay far more to use the roads than cyclists." What's that got to with anything? A cyclist has as much right to on the road as anyone else. Mobility scooters use the road but pay no where near as much tax (if any) - should they not use the road either. A cyclist/car driver/mobility scooter driver - all have exactly the same rights to use PUBLIC highways!" yes they do , but require no formal training no mot , not lol ved , no insurence . so yes easy | |||
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" Cycles are required to pay for VED (and therefore display) when using a trade license - £78.00 per annum. " They probably didn't realise, when publishing that page, that people were thick enough to NOT realise that it's talking about MOTOR bicycles and MOTOR tricycles | |||
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"There have been a number of posts here that suggest the "Clarkson doctrine" of "I'm in a car I pay road tax, I pay fuel duty (tax) and VAT (tax) on that tax, your on a bike and dont, get out of my way!". Fair point in a way... However HGV's pay lots more than cars and cars regularly pull the same sort of tricks on HGV's, ask any HGV driver... So if the implicit suggestion is that the "Clarkson Doctrine" is correct because cars pay more road taxes than cycles and therefore should have more rights on the road, then it follows that big expensive fuel guzzling cars which pay more taxes and duties duties than economic cars should have even more rights. It also follows that as HGV's pay much more than cars they should also have more rights than everyone else on the road... How many car drivers still think that the Clarkson doctrine of "I'm in a car and pay road tax, your on a bike and dont, get out of my way is correct? ... sorry but that's a crock of crap ... I don't see many arctic lorries owned by the general public??? so its business!! and even though it's costly they factor running cost's in Ah right, so HGV's are commercial and so dont count because your a private motorist... And I also notice you conveniently fail to mention my point about big fuel guzzling cars... Would that be because you drive a Chelsea tractor?" .. nope I have an 04 plate transit that I use for work and social & my lady has a nice new vw diesel that is eco | |||
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" Cycles are required to pay for VED (and therefore display) when using a trade license - £78.00 per annum. They probably didn't realise, when publishing that page, that people were thick enough to NOT realise that it's talking about MOTOR bicycles and MOTOR tricycles"
Another example of so called "facts". 
Oh and the mistake you make is thinking I hate people on bikes. Far from it, I do not care one way or another. What I do dislike is blowhards ranting on about "facts" that are just bollocks that are statements taken out of context. I am adult enough to realise that not all bike riders are militant extremist just as I realise that not all car drivers should be allowed to keep their licence or should have got one in the first place. The only difference between the two user groups is that one can be removed from the road by law. | |||
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" Cycles are required to pay for VED (and therefore display) when using a trade license - £78.00 per annum. They probably didn't realise, when publishing that page, that people were thick enough to NOT realise that it's talking about MOTOR bicycles and MOTOR tricycles
Another example of so called "facts".
Oh and the mistake you make is thinking I hate people on bikes. Far from it, I do not care one way or another. What I do dislike is blowhards ranting on about "facts" that are just bollocks that are statements taken out of context. I am adult enough to realise that not all bike riders are militant extremist just as I realise that not all car drivers should be allowed to keep their licence or should have got one in the first place. The only difference between the two user groups is that one can be removed from the road by law. "Actually you can be charged and convicted of all motoring offenses when riding or in charge of a bicycle or pram (yes thats right you can be convicted of being d*unk in charge of a pram!) LoL | |||
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"I have no issues with cyclists on roads. I don't think it should be allowed to ride two abreast though. That just puts them and motorists at additional risk which there is no need for. " Actually it's to make them more visible car drivers. Horse riders do the same unless the road is too narrow for the car to pass safely. I think it's sad that all road users can't bet along and share the roads really. | |||
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"These wankers don't even have helmets on where i live. No wonder they keep dying at that roundabout. Daft buggers!! Wear your helmets fab cyclists and don't ride like a muppet!! "
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"Cyclists are entitled to use the roads but there are some of them who adopt a head-down arse-up riding style which makes it difficult if not impossible for them to be as aware of their surroundings as they should be for their own safety. " even more dangerous are the idiots riding around with headphones on and there ipod plugged in and up loud totaly oblivious about there suroundings joggers who do the same are as bad but at least they look over there shoulder before stepping out | |||
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"Cyclists are entitled to use the roads but there are some of them who adopt a head-down arse-up riding style which makes it difficult if not impossible for them to be as aware of their surroundings as they should be for their own safety. even more dangerous are the idiots riding around with headphones on and there ipod plugged in and up loud totaly oblivious about there suroundings joggers who do the same are as bad but at least they look over there shoulder before stepping out " To be fair, I hate seeing car drivers do it as well. I always drive with the window at least part open so I can get the most sensory input. | |||
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"There have been a number of posts here that suggest the "Clarkson doctrine" of "I'm in a car I pay road tax, I pay fuel duty (tax) and VAT (tax) on that tax, your on a bike and dont, get out of my way!". Fair point in a way... However HGV's pay lots more than cars and cars regularly pull the same sort of tricks on HGV's, ask any HGV driver... So if the implicit suggestion is that the "Clarkson Doctrine" is correct because cars pay more road taxes than cycles and therefore should have more rights on the road, then it follows that big expensive fuel guzzling cars which pay more taxes and duties duties than economic cars should have even more rights. It also follows that as HGV's pay much more than cars they should also have more rights than everyone else on the road... How many car drivers still think that the Clarkson doctrine of "I'm in a car and pay road tax, your on a bike and dont, get out of my way is correct? " | |||
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"there are good, considerate and unselfish drivers and there are bad, ignorant and selfish drivers there are good, considerate and unselfish cyclists and there are bad, ignorant and selfish cyclists as someone who uses both modes of transport i have been guilty of every trait i have described above, however i understand its wrong when i have turned to the bad side. we need to be considerate of all road users whoever they may be. nothing more nothing less." | |||
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" the dumb fucking whore who tweeted about knocking a cyclist off has been charged on two counts of leaving a scene and not reporting an accident. " 7 points, a fine and an exclusive TV deal. Total fucking joke. Her twitter included pictures of her speeding taken from the wheel. And a clear disregard gor the laws of the roas and all other road users. She's constantly apologised and said she regrets the tweet but not once apologised about her actions. She genuinely believes that she is the victim in this. A lesson to us all in that we can be accountable for anything we put online. | |||
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"Car drivers are more likely to do illegal and dangerous. Things because of the illusion of being safe.cyclists know the dangers that surround them. all the Muppets above criticising cyclist should try a bike ride and see how their attitude changes when someone's ignorance or cuntish actions put your life at risk. the dumb fucking whore who tweeted about knocking a cyclist off has been charged on two counts of leaving a scene and not reporting an accident. " wooow chill out !!!! no need .. nice to see peoples true colours ! | |||
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"Car drivers are more likely to do illegal and dangerous. Things because of the illusion of being safe.cyclists know the dangers that surround them. all the Muppets above criticising cyclist should try a bike ride and see how their attitude changes when someone's ignorance or cuntish actions put your life at risk. the dumb fucking whore who tweeted about knocking a cyclist off has been charged on two counts of leaving a scene and not reporting an accident. wooow chill out !!!! no need .. nice to see peoples true colours ! "why true colours? i never pretend to be anything,only post my thoughts.never say anything i don't believe just to be popular or appeal to others.what you see is what you get. the woman concerned is a scab on the road and has shown no regret for her stupid actions. you can bet she only wished she didn't tweet it. | |||
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"don't know if this has already been posted but why not fit bikes with lights when manufactured, this will give bikers no excuse for having no lights." Afraid it will make no difference!,the fecking motorists will still aim for you!.
i was hit twice in broad daylight and i was wearing hi-visability top and a bloody helmet!,4 months off work with a broken wrist the second time through the fecker!.
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"Car drivers are more likely to do illegal and dangerous. Things because of the illusion of being safe.cyclists know the dangers that surround them. all the Muppets above criticising cyclist should try a bike ride and see how their attitude changes when someone's ignorance or cuntish actions put your life at risk. the dumb fucking whore who tweeted about knocking a cyclist off has been charged on two counts of leaving a scene and not reporting an accident. wooow chill out !!!! no need .. nice to see peoples true colours !
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i never pretend to be anything,only post my thoughts.never say anything i don't believe just to be popular or appeal to others.what you see is what you get.
the woman concerned is a scab on the road and has shown no regret for her stupid actions.
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"don't know if this has already been posted but why not fit bikes with lights when manufactured, this will give bikers no excuse for having no lights. Afraid it will make no difference!,the fecking motorists will still aim for you!.
i was hit twice in broad daylight and i was wearing hi-visability top and a bloody helmet!,4 months off work with a broken wrist the second time through the fecker!.
"i did not see you" he said,i was the only one on the road on a bright sunny day!,should give motorists 6 monthly eye tests."mite have been the case ... depending on time of year as the sun can make it a bitch to see on some roads !!! a mate nearly drove into a truck once cos the sun !! so if was a guy on a bike ... | |||
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"Good idea , and we will do that when cyslist 1/ take a offical test to ride a bike 2/ have insurance 3/ MOT " Considering the police find it difficult enough to enforce this with cars it will never happen. I quite agree with point 2 (ans many cyclists do have insurance) and 3 certainly has it's merits too. | |||
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"Perhaps if motorists (and lorry drivers and etc) AND cyclists cared a bit less about their 'rights' and a bit more about their responsibilities - to themselves and each other, we'd have fewer accidents. One thought. I may be wrong but I've yet to hear of a cycling fatality when a cyclist has had a child on one of those seats behind the saddle contraptions. That suggests cyclists CAN ride safely when they choose." Actually I think there is research proving that motorists give bikes with chold seats a wide bearth. Similarly it's proven that women on bikes that look feminine are often given more respect. Interesting that you feel that cycling fatalities are down to the cyclist riding safely rather than motorists driving badly | |||
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"don't know if this has already been posted but why not fit bikes with lights when manufactured, this will give bikers no excuse for having no lights. Afraid it will make no difference!,the fecking motorists will still aim for you!. I was hit twice in broad daylight and i was wearing hi-visability top and a bloody helmet!,4 months off work with a broken wrist the second time through the fecker!.
"i did not see you" he said,i was the only one on the road on a bright sunny day!,should give motorists 6 monthly eye tests. mite have been the case ... depending on time of year as the sun can make it a bitch to see on some roads !!! a mate nearly drove into a truck once cos the sun !! so if was a guy on a bike ... "I can appreciate what your saying,it can be a bitch with the sun shining in your face,but this guy came from a side road and did not obey the law of the road by stopping at the STOP sign at the T-junction!,is it that he did not see it?,if so he should not have been driving|!. There was nothing on my side of the road in front nor behind me and nothing whatsoever on other side of the road!,this guy caused me a broken wrist wrist,thumb and 4 months of work!,but i was lucky as lots of other cyclists have been killed by blind,impatient fecking motorists!. | |||
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