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By *yrdwoman OP Woman
over a year ago

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I have an old fashioned paper driving licence and have been told twice now recently that they will be illegal in about 12 months, and that I will have to get it replaced by a photo driving licence. M&S won't take them as ID anymore for currency exchange either.

Now I have Googled, checked the DVLA website, checked various other official websites, and there is nothing on any of them saying that I will have to do this. As far as they say, paper driving licences are valid until the expiry date. Anyone know where it has been said that I'll have to buy a photo licence?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I actually thought they had already made them illegal. Xv

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's all a conspiracy etc etc.

I'm certain that they are still valid but places are making it harder to use them as I D. If you notice a lot of places want to see a photographic driving licence, not just a driving licence.

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By *yrdwoman OP Woman
over a year ago

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"It's all a conspiracy etc etc.

I'm certain that they are still valid but places are making it harder to use them as I D. If you notice a lot of places want to see a photographic driving licence, not just a driving licence. "

I carry my passport with me so no worries there. I just find it odd that two people have told me the same thing, but there is nothing official anywhere.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The paper license is illegal? since when and why?

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By *innamon!Woman
over a year ago

no matter

I havent read anything about it..

I have just got a photo licence myself as I lost mine about 3 years ago and thought I had better replace. It came with a paper copy.Only valid till 2019

cos then im 70. Spose the only way to find out is to contact the DVLA..

I did have a hairy moment when i was applying (clicked on a wrong site ) wanted £80 .. at that I thought sod it not replacing at that price. proper DVLA is only £20 so be warned .

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By *yrdwoman OP Woman
over a year ago

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"The paper license is illegal? since when and why?

Its not.

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By *ichaelangelaCouple
over a year ago

notts

so how do you stand in the law about having to update the pic on your licence every 10 years on penalty of a fine, if you dont have a photocard licence?? surely you can get the fine if you have not changed to the photo licence ??

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By *yrdwoman OP Woman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"I havent read anything about it..

I have just got a photo licence myself as I lost mine about 3 years ago and thought I had better replace. It came with a paper copy.Only valid till 2019

cos then im 70. Spose the only way to find out is to contact the DVLA..

I did have a hairy moment when i was applying (clicked on a wrong site ) wanted £80 .. at that I thought sod it not replacing at that price. proper DVLA is only £20 so be warned .

Yes, you've got to watch out for that. An EHIC for healthcare abroad is free but the first result on Google is a site that charges a tenner.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *cott katieCouple
over a year ago

Shrewsbury Shropshire

I have a paper one too, was told by a police officer friend that as long as all the details are correct it's ok x

Not heard that it will change anytime soon xxx Katie

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just sent you a pm from the CAB web page x x

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

As I recall there's a list of questions you need to answer when applying for a photo licence which you won't have answered since your first licence application - some of which some people may not want to answer now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Photo-card driving licences are set to become mandatory in 2015, when new paper licences are officially phased out.

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By *yrdwoman OP Woman
over a year ago

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"Just sent you a pm from the CAB web page x x "

Site blocked the link.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Photo-card driving licences are set to become mandatory in 2015, when new paper licences are officially phased out.

for proof just google.

Photo-card driving licences are set to become mandatory in 2015

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By *yrdwoman OP Woman
over a year ago

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"Photo-card driving licences are set to become mandatory in 2015, when new paper licences are officially phased out.

for proof just google.

Photo-card driving licences are set to become mandatory in 2015

That's just talking about the paper bit you get with your photocard licence. It says nothing about having to exchange the old green or pink licences for photocards.

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By *ichaelangelaCouple
over a year ago

notts

and why would people NOT want to change to the photocard type?? easiest way of carrying ID with you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is from the daily mail.

A minority still use the traditional all-paper licences, which are no longer issued. These are generally valid until the holder’s 70th birthday, as long as personal details are still correct.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just sent you a pm from the CAB web page x x

Site blocked the link.

It was only from the CAB lol x

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By *yrdwoman OP Woman
over a year ago

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Found it on Department for Transport site. Apparently the little paper bit you get is being phased out in 2015, with paper licences following 'some time after'.

I hope they let us do it for free. I don't see why I should be forced to pay £20 for something I don't want to do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If they're no longer produced why did I have to send it off recently when I updated my photo licence? I may have dreamt that but I thought I did

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"and why would people NOT want to change to the photocard type?? easiest way of carrying ID with you"

Some people see it as a slippery slope towards carrying ID becoming compulsory.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The way I've read it is paper ones are no longer going to be issued but existing ones will be valid until they expire.

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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago

near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack!

I actually begrudge having to pay again for something I already paid for and will have to pay for yet again when the photograph "expires" as I believe the photo ones do!

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"I carry my passport with me so no worries there. I just find it odd that two people have told me the same thing, but there is nothing official anywhere."

Actually for the purposes of identification a lot of places refuse to accept a passport...

Seems its good enough to get in and out of the country but not to prove who you are...

Something to do with not having your address on it...

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By *rsFine-MrBallsCouple
over a year ago

markinch

Ok peeps, So long as no details are diff from when you originally applied for your driving licence then all is fine. As soon as there are , i.e. points etc, change o address , marital status, anything, then you need a new licence, also remember , come march there are a shed lad of new driving restrictions coming into force. No longer can you drive on the so called granparents rights on vehicles. Best thing to do is , apply for a new licence, It is valid for 10 years only, then renewed. But if you have more than 5 yrson a passport then they will use your passport pic for renewing your chops on new licence , Got that, hope so , lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"and why would people NOT want to change to the photocard type?? easiest way of carrying ID with you"

I never carry ID with me. Never have, never needed to. Unless when travelling abroad or for appointments when it's necessary. Otherwise why would you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"and why would people NOT want to change to the photocard type?? easiest way of carrying ID with you

I never carry ID with me. Never have, never needed to. Unless when travelling abroad or for appointments when it's necessary. Otherwise why would you. "

I always carry Id as I have a fear of having an accident and nobody knowing who I am

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"Ok peeps, So long as no details are diff from when you originally applied for your driving licence then all is fine. As soon as there are , i.e. points etc, change o address , marital status, anything, then you need a new licence, also remember , come march there are a shed lad of new driving restrictions coming into force. No longer can you drive on the so called granparents rights on vehicles. Best thing to do is , apply for a new licence, It is valid for 10 years only, then renewed. But if you have more than 5 yrson a passport then they will use your passport pic for renewing your chops on new licence , Got that, hope so , lol

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wrong the ability to drive some vehicles on grand farther rights is not being withdrawn but for 7.5t hgv and similar if you were to wish to drive one for buisness purposes you will have to have DCPC which means 35hours in the classroom this comes in on 9th of sept 2013 & is already in for psv

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By *rsFine-MrBallsCouple
over a year ago

markinch

wrong the ability to drive some vehicles on grand farther rights is not being withdrawn but for 7.5t hgv and similar if you were to wish to drive one for buisness purposes you will have to have DCPC which means 35hours in the classroom this comes in on 9th of sept 2013 & is already in for psv "

Wrong, seen as you chose to point that out,

Hgv is from sept, others from march , no grandfather rights unless doing the dcpc training, i merely chose not to go too technical with the detail, but hey ho always 1 isnt there.

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By *rsFine-MrBallsCouple
over a year ago

markinch

Oooo soz to point out to peeps whom still have old pink licences, Thru the govt website its free of charge for your initial change to a new licence , (except for cost of a pic, unless as said earlier you have valid passport with 5 yrs plus left on it ) , im sure some one will pic me up for a missed detail but thats the jist of it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

HGV is Sept 2014

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is from the daily mail.

A minority still use the traditional all-paper licences, which are no longer issued. These are generally valid until the holder’s 70th birthday, as long as personal details are still correct.

Yay! Mine's the old parchment scroll type. When I learned to drive I nearly knocked the guy over with the flag that walked in front of the car.

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By *rsFine-MrBallsCouple
over a year ago

markinch

HGV is Sept 2014"

No its not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bus drivers sep 2013 hgv from sep 2014 for cpc where you must carry at all times while driving .it lasts 5 years .

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By *ichaelangelaCouple
over a year ago

notts

"Bus drivers sep 2013 hgv from sep 2014 for cpc where you must carry at all times while driving .it lasts 5 years ."

this is true for psv .... after 36 years of driving a bus/coach, i HAD to do the cpc course before 9th sept 2013 or i was no longer allowed to drive a psv

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By *aisy100Woman
over a year ago

wakefield

Slightly off topic but ive just had to renew my CRB check at work, had to take in forms of ID and the photo card wasnt a valid ID unless the paper part was with it!

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Slightly off topic but ive just had to renew my CRB check at work, had to take in forms of ID and the photo card wasnt a valid ID unless the paper part was with it!"
See my post above...

For ID to be valid it must show your current address.

It was part of the reason that the Tories were against ID cards (they would not have addresses on them)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I actually thought they had already made them illegal. Xv"

I think they aren't illegal yet, but people have stop taking them as a form of identification. Therefore it forces the person to get a photo license then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

HGV is Sept 2014

No its not"

i passed my HGV in july 2009.

any one taking a HGV test from sept 2009 had to include a cpc.

so i had 5 years to complete the 35 hrs which coincides with other licence requirements

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By *elboy34Man
over a year ago

midlothian

Dvla are ripping drivers off haveing to pay for new foto card every 10 years and also dcpc card every 5 years just renewed my driveing lience at post office last month £24 inc foto then had to finnish my dcpc course £450 so I can drive hgvs for next 5 years I passed my test for hgvs in 1999 and cost me over 2 grand in total now every 5 years more money its a stelth tax u pass u tests that should be it oh aye and £300 for medical for my hgv soon

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By *ichaelangelaCouple
over a year ago

notts

"Dvla are ripping drivers off haveing to pay for new foto card every 10 years and also dcpc card every 5 years just renewed my driveing lience at post office last month £24 inc foto then had to finnish my dcpc course £450 so I can drive hgvs for next 5 years I passed my test for hgvs in 1999 and cost me over 2 grand in total now every 5 years more money its a stelth tax u pass u tests that should be it oh aye and £300 for medical for my hgv soon

300 quid for your medical ??? you need to shop around a bit matey, got mine done earlier this year for £80

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have an old fashioned paper driving licence and have been told twice now recently that they will be illegal in about 12 months, and that I will have to get it replaced by a photo driving licence. M&S won't take them as ID anymore for currency exchange either.

In a word, no. I also only have a paper license and refuse to pay to have it changed for a photo license. When this is offered as a free upgrade, I will comply.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

think i got my card when i changed address - otherwise would still have the paper one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wrong, seen as you chose to point that out,

Hgv is from sept, others from march , no grandfather rights unless doing the dcpc training, i merely chose not to go too technical with the detail, but hey ho always 1 isnt there.

PSV cpc is live now as of 10th sept this year. Trucks next. As far as I'm aware you can still drive a 7.5 as long as you passed your test before 97. If you want to drive 'professionally' then you'll need to do DCPC for that. Bizarrely enough, unless you're a scaffolder! Go figure.

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By *rsFine-MrBallsCouple
over a year ago

markinch

Okay lets say for simplicity, From xmas lol, anything over 3.5 tonnes , to be proffessionally driven must have dcps, You can without reward still drive , a 16 seater, upto a 7.5 t vehicle, so long as it has no addons. I.e hi-ab or apparatus. You can tow pre 97 licence upto 0.75 t . Bearing in mind peeps the original posting was regarding a pink licence still being valid, merely gave the jist that come sept, march and sept 2014 there would be further driving restrictions so if on old pink licence then would be better to replace said licence, wasnt a lets get into depth post,

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By *rsFine-MrBallsCouple
over a year ago

markinch

Wrong, seen as you chose to point that out,

Hgv is from sept, others from march , no grandfather rights unless doing the dcpc training, i merely chose not to go too technical with the detail, but hey ho always 1 isnt there.

Having done and passed the dcpc training, never thru the training was there any reference to a certain Trade not requiring to do the training.

Just out of interest, what would be the reasoning for not needing the dcpc as a scaffolder, and do you get a qualified certificate to be a scaffolder , just incase you were stopped by vosa etc to prove they were exempt from the driving legislation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It wont be however they are not classed as valid i.d any more only a photo one is.

Its worth getting the photo one as,if your ever asked to produce in the future they will expect both parts.

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By *eeBee67Man
over a year ago

Masked and Distant

Paper licences only illegal if the identification numbers on each of the folded section edges cannot be read.

Or if it is held together with so much sellotape that the police cant write on it

Thats what the nice officer told me anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having done and passed the dcpc training, never thru the training was there any reference to a certain Trade not requiring to do the training.

You can't 'pass' DCPC, it's merely an attendance accredited 'qualification'. Turn up, fall asleep, pay the money you get the same result.

Various scenarios the above applies. If the driver is driving the vehicle purely as a means of getting, for example; building/ scaffolding materials to and from a site, they don't need to attend DCPC courses as driving isn't the main part if their job and the truck is simply a tool to get stuff from A to B. Should they be employed as a driver by the same company, that would change. It is all very vague but that's the jist of it.

It's all pish (not very good for the foreigners

) regardless. I've got National and international CPC and still had to do the DCPC. That is a pass or fail but DSA don't recognise it as 'enough'. Crazy. Another tax in drivers.

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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago

near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack!

"Oooo soz to point out to peeps whom still have old pink licences, ................."

PINK?????!!!!!! Mine`s GREEN!!!!! I think the pink ones by-passed me!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

300 quid for your medical ??? you need to shop around a bit matey, got mine done earlier this year for £80"

Got mine done for £30 in a very dodgy part of manchester but by a dr nonetheless. The training company put me onto them.

Seem to get away with using my tacho card for id too.

Passed class 2 first time and 1 second time (turned down a one way st the wrong way in st helens for the first.

Don't even drive trucks for a living. Not had a trailer on for over 5 yrs lol.

In terms of the OP i live next door to a traffic sergeant will ask him.

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By *rsFine-MrBallsCouple
over a year ago

markinch

Having done and passed the dcpc training, never thru the training was there any reference to a certain Trade not requiring to do the training.

You can't 'pass' DCPC, it's merely an attendance accredited 'qualification'. Turn up, fall asleep, pay the money you get the same result.

It's all pish (not very good for the foreigners

) regardless. I've got National and international CPC and still had to do the DCPC. That is a pass or fail but DSA don't recognise it as 'enough'. Crazy. Another tax in drivers."

Apologies, correct did not pass, mereley fulfilled the required attendances. But seeing as your pernicaty about the wording , let me point out that if your employed to do the driving of the vehicle, i.e it is part of your job description i.e again that you drive the vehicle for purpose of the job then yes you do req dcpc . If your perhaps once a week jumping in and driving the vehicle for particular reasons. I e the employed driver is off work etc then no tou dont require the dcpc. In essence , if driving the vehicle is regular then you need it, so there really arent exceptions to the rulings. Ta

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By *horstrollMan
over a year ago

Caprona

In July I recieved a reminder to renew both my paper and photo card licence. Small print explained a donation of £65 facilitated my ability to drive legally

Phoned the number on the letter, straight to a senior supervisor. Gent was most helpful proved that dvla can be self funded by these donations.

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