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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

For our fellow humans in extreme situations then i feel what "hope for humanity"

I have read some dreadful comments (not here) about the phillipines today that really shocked me to the core.

Pictures of new born babies being born in such tragic situations and pictures of dead children being held by parents. and all round,complete and utter devistation .

Yet some.........not all thankfully

Think we should not give aid and shouldnt help because we cant afford it.

Im sat here... on a comfy chair...in a relatively comfortable and well furnished home with a roof...im dry...im warm ...and i have something to eat.

Im rich...compared to them i have everything i need.

I dont have loads of money, but will gladly give a little to help.

And yes, i agree that international aid should be sorted and given in the right way.

The phillippines at this moment in time. deserve some compassion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think we should help them, but i can understand why some people think we cant afford to. I feel sorry for them but i also feel sorry for all the homeless people in this country too, which you only hear about at xmas time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

PEACHES12 - yes

I agree fully with the sentiment of your post n yes aid must b given

The only niggle I have with the aid is that Britain's government can find £310 millions for this with no effort and yet there are in Britain homeless people, fuel poverty, food poverty etc etc

if we can stump that amount up then we should have our own house in order.

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By *renchbambi xWoman
over a year ago

Need to know basis

Indeed they do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"PEACHES12 - yes

I agree fully with the sentiment of your post n yes aid must b given

The only niggle I have with the aid is that Britain's government can find £310 millions for this with no effort and yet there are in Britain homeless people, fuel poverty, food poverty etc etc

if we can stump that amount up then we should have our own house in order. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"PEACHES12 - yes

I agree fully with the sentiment of your post n yes aid must b given

The only niggle I have with the aid is that Britain's government can find £310 millions for this with no effort and yet there are in Britain homeless people, fuel poverty, food poverty etc etc

if we can stump that amount up then we should have our own house in order. "

echo this.

we give aid out to countries that, on the outside, require it, but their politicians live in the lap of luxury while their subjects live on the border of death every day of their lives.

why is this our responsibility?

why are we giving aid to countries that can afford to send a rocket into space before providing sanitation for its peoples??

we should withold all aid for foreign countries until such a time as horrific things like this happen, then at least we can give them a bit more and its going where its needed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"PEACHES12 - yes

I agree fully with the sentiment of your post n yes aid must b given

The only niggle I have with the aid is that Britain's government can find £310 millions for this with no effort and yet there are in Britain homeless people, fuel poverty, food poverty etc etc

if we can stump that amount up then we should have our own house in order.

echo this.

we give aid out to countries that, on the outside, require it, but their politicians live in the lap of luxury while their subjects live on the border of death every day of their lives.

why is this our responsibility?

why are we giving aid to countries that can afford to send a rocket into space before providing sanitation for its peoples??

we should withold all aid for foreign countries until such a time as horrific things like this happen, then at least we can give them a bit more and its going where its needed"
Re the country with the space program - that's purely money paid from a guilty conscious for past atrocities. - oh, & seeing that they're one of the world's fastest growing economies, we're doing a bit of brown-nosing!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"PEACHES12 - yes

I agree fully with the sentiment of your post n yes aid must b given

The only niggle I have with the aid is that Britain's government can find £310 millions for this with no effort and yet there are in Britain homeless people, fuel poverty, food poverty etc etc

if we can stump that amount up then we should have our own house in order.

echo this.

we give aid out to countries that, on the outside, require it, but their politicians live in the lap of luxury while their subjects live on the border of death every day of their lives.

why is this our responsibility?

why are we giving aid to countries that can afford to send a rocket into space before providing sanitation for its peoples??

we should withold all aid for foreign countries until such a time as horrific things like this happen, then at least we can give them a bit more and its going where its needed"

Agreed. We send over £200,000,000 to India every year and they're planning an unmanned mission to Mars for £45,000,000. Doesn't seem quite right does it.

My opinion is that we stop all this international aid except in circumstances such as we're seeing in the Philippines, that way we'd be able to send and do more for those poor people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

have to be completely honest here, i find myself having less and less compassion for people i either dont know or have no interaction with.

its not that i dont care about hte hardships faced by people, because that wouldnt be right, or human nature, but there is always something happening somewhere in the world where someone needs help, and if we got caught up with everyone elses problems, well, i would find it difficult to face the day some mornings.

we seem to have selective compassion in some ways, as we are expected to all gather round and help the have nots, but the haves can be in exactly the same trouble, yet because they arent poor the media tend not to blow things up.

would we get the same fervent reporting had an earthquake hit abu dabi destroying all the expensive hotels and whatever? dont think so. would more likely e a few pages for a couple of days and thats it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the OP is correct - most people only give a shit about themselves!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"......Re the country with the space program - that's purely money paid from a guilty conscious for past atrocities. - oh, & seeing that they're one of the world's fastest growing economies, we're doing a bit of brown-nosing!"

Not just about past atrocities, there's also the huge amounts of money we made from our Empire, the stuff that made Britain Great.

Then there's a bit of thanks for the help the Commonwealth countries have given in wars over the years.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"PEACHES12 - yes

I agree fully with the sentiment of your post n yes aid must b given

The only niggle I have with the aid is that Britain's government can find £310 millions for this with no effort and yet there are in Britain homeless people, fuel poverty, food poverty etc etc

if we can stump that amount up then we should have our own house in order.

echo this.

we give aid out to countries that, on the outside, require it, but their politicians live in the lap of luxury while their subjects live on the border of death every day of their lives.

why is this our responsibility?

why are we giving aid to countries that can afford to send a rocket into space before providing sanitation for its peoples??

we should withold all aid for foreign countries until such a time as horrific things like this happen, then at least we can give them a bit more and its going where its needed

Agreed. We send over £200,000,000 to India every year and they're planning an unmanned mission to Mars for £45,000,000. Doesn't seem quite right does it.

My opinion is that we stop all this international aid except in circumstances such as we're seeing in the Philippines, that way we'd be able to send and do more for those poor people."

This

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"......Re the country with the space program - that's purely money paid from a guilty conscious for past atrocities. - oh, & seeing that they're one of the world's fastest growing economies, we're doing a bit of brown-nosing!

Not just about past atrocities, there's also the huge amounts of money we made from our Empire, the stuff that made Britain Great.

Then there's a bit of thanks for the help the Commonwealth countries have given in wars over the years.

"

Yes, both the atrocities & the huge amounts of wealth gained were very much related!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If there were a few hundred oil wells in this place the Americans would be there by now handing out food, water and shelters but unfortunately there isn't so it's left to the red cross and the like

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Natural disasters have always and will always happen, without them earth wouldn't be able to maintain an ever growing population, hence cures for cancer and HIV, although exist, wont be made available to the population.

Medication and treatment, make much more money for business and the govt.

Maybe its about time we put our own house in order, before helping others.

When we are well and strong, we can help others, when you are weak and ill you cant help anyone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As an individual I don't use politics to get in the way of my desire to show compassion and support…

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Natural disasters have always and will always happen, without them earth wouldn't be able to maintain an ever growing population, hence cures for cancer and HIV, although exist, wont be made available to the population.

................."

Do you have a bit more detail on these 'cures' that aren't being made available?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

google is the tool you need, just enter cancer cures, or similar words.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


" As an individual I don't use politics to get in the way of my desire to show compassion and support…"

I agree with this. I can afford to give to charity, therefore I've just given some money to the DEC to go to the Phillipines. I won't look down on someone who can't afford to give to charity.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

I can honestly say not one single negative comment I've read over the last few days has surprised me.

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By *Ryan-Man
over a year ago

In Your Bush


"google is the tool you need, just enter cancer cures, or similar words."

Are you claiming cancer and HIV cures have been invented but are deliberately held back to keep the population in check ?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"google is the tool you need, just enter cancer cures, or similar words."

It's seriously worrying that people take that nonsense seriously.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"google is the tool you need, just enter cancer cures, or similar words.

Are you claiming cancer and HIV cures have been invented but are deliberately held back to keep the population in check ?"

I do love it when a conspiracy theory pops up in a totally unrelated post.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

Whilst I am not directing this to the OP in anyway, I really dislike being told when and where I should be compassionate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If a disaster on the typhoon scale happened to us in England,and everyone in the world had the same attitude of not giving money or help,I bet the moaners on here would soon realise why we give help to others.We have had it so soft in this country weather wise compared to other countries.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Whilst I am not directing this to the OP in anyway, I really dislike being told when and where I should be compassionate. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If there were a few hundred oil wells in this place the Americans would be there by now handing out food, water and shelters but unfortunately there isn't so it's left to the red cross and the like "

You might want to read up on history.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They're a functioning country, emergency aid in a situation like this is a good idea and should be done to get the place check on it's feet.

However the kind of long term aid we give to some places in Africa is unhelpful and has swelled populations unsustainably and means they are now dependent upon aid pretty much forever.

In this case money and supplies will be a massive help, in Africa though aid should be constructive, ie money provided to build a factory or a farm and train workers so they can then make products, just giving them food is not helping

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"If there were a few hundred oil wells in this place the Americans would be there by now handing out food, water and shelters but unfortunately there isn't so it's left to the red cross and the like "

The Americans are there

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"....

However the kind of long term aid we give to some places in Africa is unhelpful and has swelled populations unsustainably and means they are now dependent upon aid pretty much forever.

....."

Mind you, it doesn't help when most aid agencies are warning about population growth whilst at least one organisation is insisting contraception isnt allowed, with all the implications for the spread of HIV.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"......Re the country with the space program - that's purely money paid from a guilty conscious for past atrocities. - oh, & seeing that they're one of the world's fastest growing economies, we're doing a bit of brown-nosing!

Not just about past atrocities, there's also the huge amounts of money we made from our Empire, the stuff that made Britain Great.

Then there's a bit of thanks for the help the Commonwealth countries have given in wars over the years.

"
its more than likely the countries that helped us in the wars we have fought certainly at least the 2nd would themselves have been threatened . as for the wealth we apparently aqiured it's been and gone and I owe no country but the UK anything

As others have said we should be more selective with our aid and in certain cases it should be conditional .

I'm sure tho we can help the Philippines

The dead are dead but surely we can help the hungry and thirsty

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"google is the tool you need, just enter cancer cures, or similar words.

Are you claiming cancer and HIV cures have been invented but are deliberately held back to keep the population in check ?"

I'm, I'm, I'm.....speechless!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I too think they need help, however back in 2004, when the Tsunami hit I aswell as thousands and thousands of others gave money to help, which I thought was indeed going to help Sri Lanka, Phuket etc. I then went over to Sri Lanka for a holiday thinking that in a very small way my money would help a tiny little bit. I met a lot of people over there whose lives had been changed forever. One in particular I spoke with and had my heartfelt condolences and sorrow went on to tell me how his little shop located on the beach was destroyed which was his only income for him and then his wife and two children. He had heard about all the money the world was donating to help with the disaster and as such he went to a local government office to beg for some of the money donated to get his business back up and running. He was told that he could indeed have a loan but had to pay it back with lots of interest added on top. When I asked what happened to all the money donated was told that it was spent on new palaces and helicopters for the elite and higher echelon of power aswell as topping up their personal wealth. This really sickened me to the core having seen first hand how so many had perished and livelihoods destroyed. From that moment I vowed never again to give to these charities for major disasters ever again. I would gladly give money to help but sadly as is only too common the people who really need it, don't ever see the money or any of its benefits. I also too strongly believe that we in this country do have so much poverty and debt that we really ought to sort our problems out first. We give a huge amount of money to India which they openly say they don't need or want but yet our government still insist on giving. This money could easily be used to buy aid to the Phillipines but won't be given. I am not against giving but would rather see the actual people being helped and not the politicians.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If a disaster on the typhoon scale happened to us in England,and everyone in the world had the same attitude of not giving money or help,I bet the moaners on here would soon realise why we give help to others.We have had it so soft in this country weather wise compared to other countries."

being honest, we have had some terrible weather in recent times.

didnt hear much help from other countries helping the good people of gloucester when they were under 20 feet of water

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"PEACHES12 - yes

I agree fully with the sentiment of your post n yes aid must b given

The only niggle I have with the aid is that Britain's government can find £310 millions for this with no effort and yet there are in Britain homeless people, fuel poverty, food poverty etc etc

if we can stump that amount up then we should have our own house in order. "

Hell yes

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By *ibbyhunterCouple
over a year ago

keighley

the new york time has publised a list of the countries pledging aid for the area.

america 20million, australia 10 mllion,

britain 9 million, lots of other countries millions more, but mega rich china £100,000,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"PEACHES12 - yes

I agree fully with the sentiment of your post n yes aid must b given

The only niggle I have with the aid is that Britain's government can find £310 millions for this with no effort and yet there are in Britain homeless people, fuel poverty, food poverty etc etc

if we can stump that amount up then we should have our own house in order. "

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By *ixson-BallsMan
over a year ago

Blackpool

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive.

If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion.

Dalai Lama

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"

The only niggle I have with the aid is that Britain's government can find £310 millions for this with no effort and yet there are in Britain homeless people, fuel poverty, food poverty etc etc

if we can stump that amount up then we should have our own house in order. "

Unfortunately we have a government, and a lot of people, in this country who think that the poor and needy are all slackers and benefit cheats, and that people who work to make themselves rich rather than to help society are the bees knees.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

The only niggle I have with the aid is that Britain's government can find £310 millions for this with no effort and yet there are in Britain homeless people, fuel poverty, food poverty etc etc

if we can stump that amount up then we should have our own house in order.

Unfortunately we have a government, and a lot of people, in this country who think that the poor and needy are all slackers and benefit cheats, and that people who work to make themselves rich rather than to help society are the bees knees."

So true.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was already shocked that the government only pledged £6 million and it's been left to charities. £6 million isn't even a quid out of every individual's pocket.

Those other shocking comments. I'd ignore them, but people who say those things to get a rise fucking deserve one. A rise to put them in their place!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"

.......... and that people who work to make themselves rich rather than to help society are the bees knees."

There's nothing intrinsically wrong with being rich provided it's honestly and fairly earned and spent - and you have no truck with camels and needles.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If there were a few hundred oil wells in this place the Americans would be there by now handing out food, water and shelters but unfortunately there isn't so it's left to the red cross and the like "

don't get me wrong i understand your well placed cynicism however in this instance the Americans were actually the first nation to have marines on the ground offering food water medical supplies etc. they are also clearing the worst affected areas of dead bodies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If there were a few hundred oil wells in this place the Americans would be there by now handing out food, water and shelters but unfortunately there isn't so it's left to the red cross and the like

"

You havent seen the news? The Americans were the first in. They sent the USMC, we sent a couple of quid

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If there were a few hundred oil wells in this place the Americans would be there by now handing out food, water and shelters but unfortunately there isn't so it's left to the red cross and the like

You havent seen the news? The Americans were the first in. They sent the USMC, we sent a couple of quid"

A couple of quid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If there were a few hundred oil wells in this place the Americans would be there by now handing out food, water and shelters but unfortunately there isn't so it's left to the red cross and the like

You havent seen the news? The Americans were the first in. They sent the USMC, we sent a couple of quid

A couple of quid. "

Sorry, £6 million is less than a quid out of every Brit's pocket. Now we'll have to pay through charities that like to pay themselves first

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont mean to be nasty, you know that right? But it's a typical beaurocrat move. Cameron gives zero fucks!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive.

If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion.

Dalai Lama

"

i totally agree there are human beings suffering because of a natural disaster nothing more nothing less

i also agree with the view that we should look after the homeless and needy in this country however in my opinion the two issues are totally different.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I dont mean to be nasty, you know that right? But it's a typical beaurocrat move. Cameron gives zero fucks!"

Cameron does care because he cares about families, people with kids, its the single people and the elderly hes not botherted about.

he will be thinking of all those poor families with kids out there who are suffering.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I dont mean to be nasty, you know that right? But it's a typical beaurocrat move. Cameron gives zero fucks!

Cameron does care because he cares about families, people with kids, its the single people and the elderly hes not botherted about.

he will be thinking of all those poor families with kids out there who are suffering."

And how he wont make money off them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I dont mean to be nasty, you know that right? But it's a typical beaurocrat move. Cameron gives zero fucks!

Cameron does care because he cares about families, people with kids, its the single people and the elderly hes not botherted about.

he will be thinking of all those poor families with kids out there who are suffering.

And how he wont make money off them"

Dont believe that, hes got kids one of which he lost, even if he didnt have kids he would still care.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"If there were a few hundred oil wells in this place the Americans would be there by now handing out food, water and shelters but unfortunately there isn't so it's left to the red cross and the like

You havent seen the news? The Americans were the first in. They sent the USMC, ............."

Only first 'cos they were closest.

Daring will be there by the weekend.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"I dont mean to be nasty, you know that right? But it's a typical beaurocrat move. Cameron gives zero fucks!

Cameron does care because he cares about families, people with kids, its the single people and the elderly hes not botherted about.

he will be thinking of all those poor families with kids out there who are suffering.

And how he wont make money off them

Dont believe that, hes got kids one of which he lost, even if he didnt have kids he would still care."

Another of which he left in the pub after a Sunday 'lunch'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And all of a sudden a thread about compassion becomes a political debate!

Today appears to be a day for derailments!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And all of a sudden a thread about compassion becomes a political debate!

Today appears to be a day for derailments!"

Thats happens all the time though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And all of a sudden a thread about compassion becomes a political debate!

Today appears to be a day for derailments!"

its a shame

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"google is the tool you need, just enter cancer cures, or similar words."

Dont you mean cancer treatment ! And treatment or cures ! does'nt always work

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"google is the tool you need, just enter cancer cures, or similar words.

Are you claiming cancer and HIV cures have been invented but are deliberately held back to keep the population in check ?"

Many drugs are available to treat everything from type 2 diabeties to cancer and HIV, but they are not always offered to patients because of cost,

depending on many things, including where you live, guidelines about cost re benefits or extended quality or length of life.

I can only talk about my own experiences with certain drugs. which I will be happy to share in pvt, if you find your diabetic medication is causing you side effects. New medications are being tested and released, almost yearly, but because of cost restrictions, you have to ask for them, they wont be offered.

As for cancer, we all have it in our cells, dependent on diet, hereditry factors and stress, depends if, and what forms it takes.

Some cheap food contains chemicals that can cause reactions in our body,

I do believe cures are available for many illnesses, but it isn't profitable to release them.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"google is the tool you need, just enter cancer cures, or similar words.

Are you claiming cancer and HIV cures have been invented but are deliberately held back to keep the population in check ?

Many drugs are available to treat everything from type 2 diabeties to cancer and HIV, but they are not always offered to patients because of cost,

depending on many things, including where you live, guidelines about cost re benefits or extended quality or length of life.

................ "

You seem to have retreated from 'cure' to 'treat'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"google is the tool you need, just enter cancer cures, or similar words.

Are you claiming cancer and HIV cures have been invented but are deliberately held back to keep the population in check ?

Many drugs are available to treat everything from type 2 diabeties to cancer and HIV, but they are not always offered to patients because of cost,

depending on many things, including where you live, guidelines about cost re benefits or extended quality or length of life.

................

You seem to have retreated from 'cure' to 'treat'."

I have no need to retreat, I am not fighting a battle just chatting in a forum.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

6 hours ago we were told of cancer 'cures ', now it's just treatments.

Is that fair to cancer sufferers who might have read about these so - called cures?

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By *aisy100Woman
over a year ago

wakefield


"

I do believe cures are available for many illnesses, but it isn't profitable to release them. "

I also believe this too

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By *rivate auditionsMan
over a year ago

West Midlands


"I dont mean to be nasty, you know that right? But it's a typical beaurocrat move. Cameron gives zero fucks!"

You sure make an awful lot of assumptions matey!.

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By *rivate auditionsMan
over a year ago

West Midlands


"PEACHES12 - yes

I agree fully with the sentiment of your post n yes aid must b given

The only niggle I have with the aid is that Britain's government can find £310 millions for this with no effort and yet there are in Britain homeless people, fuel poverty, food poverty etc etc

if we can stump that amount up then we should have our own house in order.

echo this.

we give aid out to countries that, on the outside, require it, but their politicians live in the lap of luxury while their subjects live on the border of death every day of their lives.

why is this our responsibility?

why are we giving aid to countries that can afford to send a rocket into space before providing sanitation for its peoples??

we should withold all aid for foreign countries until such a time as horrific things like this happen, then at least we can give them a bit more and its going where its needed

Agreed. We send over £200,000,000 to India every year and they're planning an unmanned mission to Mars for £45,000,000. Doesn't seem quite right does it.

My opinion is that we stop all this international aid except in circumstances such as we're seeing in the Philippines, that way we'd be able to send and do more for those poor people.

This "

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Morning, I spent many years studying human disease, and can confidently say that some of the posts on here we a little misinformed.... Cancer drugs are selected based on likelihood of working, ie will the tumour respond. A classic example is herceptin - the press reported it as a wonder drug for Brest cancer, and everyone wanted it. For some people there was no way it would work. many people that were denied treatment were unable to understand cellular recepors, and thought it was due to cost.

Cancer is not normal, it I'd caused by mutations in DNA, and loss of both cellular control and the cells own ability to recognise this and self terminate. google apoptosis, it really is quite fascinating.

Treatments for HIV are readily available, you can't treat ignorance, therefore you can't prevent infection

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PS - quite skint at the moment, so had to dip into xmas savings to donate to MSF!

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Okay, last post, 310 million is the global target, not the UK target. The government will match public donations pound for pound. Aid for India is compensation for not allowing them to develop during the industrial revolution. We are taking responsibility our mess...late for work now! X

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"Okay, last post, 310 million is the global target, not the UK target. The government will match public donations pound for pound. Aid for India is compensation for not allowing them to develop during the industrial revolution. We are taking responsibility our mess...late for work now! X"

It's not our mess ! Do you really think India would have been any better if the Brits had not been involved there ?

Stop trying to rewrite history !

We owe India nothing !

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over a year ago

Lets sort out our own homeless,sick,elderly,wounded first.

Heartless? No compassion..... maybe but if this country cant look after our own why can we suddenly find millions to gift to others?

Standing by....

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Lets sort out our own homeless,sick,elderly,wounded first.

Heartless? No compassion..... maybe but if this country cant look after our own why can we suddenly find millions to gift to others?

Standing by...."

It's not that we CAN'T look after our own, this government has chosen not to.

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Natural disasters are natures way of clearing the world of it's biggest disease. Us. As scary as it seems the best thing for this planet is for human life to be wiped out. Just my thoughts. I have compassion for any human or animal suffering but the more people we save the more people we have populating the Earth. I do consider myself extremely fortunate I live in a place that has only high winds to worry about

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Okay, last post, 310 million is the global target, not the UK target. The government will match public donations pound for pound. Aid for India is compensation for not allowing them to develop during the industrial revolution. We are taking responsibility our mess...late for work now! X

It's not our mess ! Do you really think India would have been any better if the Brits had not been involved there ?

Stop trying to rewrite history !

We owe India nothing !

"

By the end of WWII, India had contributed over 2,000,000 men to the Allied war effort.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts


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We owe India nothing !

By the end of WWII, India had contributed over 2,000,000 men to the Allied war effort."

Plus we had exacerbated a famine in Bengal by using the railways to move men and munitions, rather than food, into an area hit by famine.

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over a year ago


"Okay, last post, 310 million is the global target, not the UK target. The government will match public donations pound for pound. Aid for India is compensation for not allowing them to develop during the industrial revolution. We are taking responsibility our mess...late for work now! X

It's not our mess ! Do you really think India would have been any better if the Brits had not been involved there ?

Stop trying to rewrite history !

We owe India nothing !

By the end of WWII, India had contributed over 2,000,000 men to the Allied war effort."

How do you think the Japanese or Germans would of treated India and the Indian people

I also don't think the French Dutch etc owe us anything from the Second World War !

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"

We owe India nothing !

By the end of WWII, India had contributed over 2,000,000 men to the Allied war effort.

Plus we had exacerbated a famine in Bengal by using the railways to move men and munitions, rather than food, into an area hit by famine. "

And that relates to today how ?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Okay, last post, 310 million is the global target, not the UK target. The government will match public donations pound for pound. Aid for India is compensation for not allowing them to develop during the industrial revolution. We are taking responsibility our mess...late for work now! X

It's not our mess ! Do you really think India would have been any better if the Brits had not been involved there ?

Stop trying to rewrite history !

We owe India nothing !

By the end of WWII, India had contributed over 2,000,000 men to the Allied war effort.

How do you think the Japanese or Germans would of treated India and the Indian people

I also don't think the French Dutch etc owe us anything from the Second World War !

"

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

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It was in all peoples interests to defeat Germany and Japan in the Second World War so no one owes Britain anything and we owe our allies nothing

Except friendship not to finance them to the tune of tens or hundreds of millions of pounds

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"Natural disasters are natures way of clearing the world of it's biggest disease. Us. As scary as it seems the best thing for this planet is for human life to be wiped out. Just my thoughts. I have compassion for any human or animal suffering but the more people we save the more people we have populating the Earth. I do consider myself extremely fortunate I live in a place that has only high winds to worry about "

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"It was in all peoples interests to defeat Germany and Japan in the Second World War so no one owes Britain anything and we owe our allies nothing

Except friendship not to finance them to the tune of tens or hundreds of millions of pounds"

Just so long as they keep selling us cheap T shirts, eh?

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over a year ago


"For our fellow humans in extreme situations then i feel what "hope for humanity"

I have read some dreadful comments (not here) about the phillipines today that really shocked me to the core.

Pictures of new born babies being born in such tragic situations and pictures of dead children being held by parents. and all round,complete and utter devistation .

Yet some.........not all thankfully

Think we should not give aid and shouldnt help because we cant afford it.

Im sat here... on a comfy chair...in a relatively comfortable and well furnished home with a roof...im dry...im warm ...and i have something to eat.

Im rich...compared to them i have everything i need.

I dont have loads of money, but will gladly give a little to help.

And yes, i agree that international aid should be sorted and given in the right way.

The phillippines at this moment in time. deserve some compassion"

Absolutely spot on...this is not about politics or any other aid Britain sends abroad, the people in the Philippines desperately need international help and we as a nation can afford to send it. If the government wanted to add a couple of quid to my tax bill to cover it then I'd be more than happy to pay that as well as donate personally.

It's all too easy to switch off the news and ignore the headlines - I feel guilty that I have running water, food, heat and shelter when many of the Phillipinos have lost everything.

Unfortunately the only way I can contribute is by donating and I don't begrudge one penny sent by our country.

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over a year ago

Have seen two adverts for donkey charities which upset me too, so have decided to send one of them a few quid, i cant afford much.

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By *wingerdelightCouple
over a year ago

eastliegh

I agree with the ops point. But we are in effect a bankrupt country. We need to worry about ourselves first otherwise we might find ourselves in the same situation. I do feel very lucky to have been born in a first world country. But its not a good idea to just send money. Look at what has happened before with other countries. The aid gets wasted and the poor are mostly no better off. A harsh fact is that the world is over populated so if a backward country can't look after themselves then so be it. Darwin at work. I remember the famines in the 80 s in Ethiopia. We sent a huge amount of aid. But its still the same. If we are to improve our race then the weak must go. And if the strong prolong the life of the weak all it does is weaken the gene pool. I'm sure a lot will take exception to this point and you have the right. But in all of nature the strong survive to the benifit of the species.

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over a year ago


"It was in all peoples interests to defeat Germany and Japan in the Second World War so no one owes Britain anything and we owe our allies nothing

Except friendship not to finance them to the tune of tens or hundreds of millions of pounds

Just so long as they keep selling us cheap T shirts, eh?"

No not at all .

I said friendship ! I don't rip my friends off so I put fair trade into friendship

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

We're not bankrupt but were being sold this austerity nonsense because it suits certain political parties.

No money, yet we can fund HS2, help for house buyers up to £600,000 and so on?

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over a year ago


"We're not bankrupt but were being sold this austerity nonsense because it suits certain political parties.

No money, yet we can fund HS2, help for house buyers up to £600,000 and so on?"

If this country were a household the banks would of foreclosed years ago

And reposed the house

Bad management for years under investment exported jobs and imported poverty

No less so under the last goverment

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By *andd2Couple
over a year ago

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We send over £200,000,000 to India every year and they're planning an unmanned mission to Mars for £45,000,000. Doesn't seem quite right does it.

."

So India will manage to send an unmanned rocket to Mars for less than 1% than we can build a railtrack to Manchester. In fact India can do that for less money than the price of one new train that sits on the track that costs +45 billion. I'd rather my taxes go to relief aid than cutting a whole 20 mins off my train journey thanks

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over a year ago


"I agree with the ops point. But we are in effect a bankrupt country. We need to worry about ourselves first otherwise we might find ourselves in the same situation. I do feel very lucky to have been born in a first world country. But its not a good idea to just send money. Look at what has happened before with other countries. The aid gets wasted and the poor are mostly no better off. A harsh fact is that the world is over populated so if a backward country can't look after themselves then so be it. Darwin at work. I remember the famines in the 80 s in Ethiopia. We sent a huge amount of aid. But its still the same. If we are to improve our race then the weak must go. And if the strong prolong the life of the weak all it does is weaken the gene pool. I'm sure a lot will take exception to this point and you have the right. But in all of nature the strong survive to the benifit of the species. "

funny how when people suggest letting those in far flung places in the world sort themselves out, in the name of survival, its almost acceptable.

yet, when its said that we should stop using life saving treatments for our loved ones, and those that go through life being medicated should have been left to die long ago, suddenly the Darwinian loyalties fade away

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By *wingerdelightCouple
over a year ago

eastliegh

Very true. We are all selfish. But it doesn't help our race

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over a year ago


"I agree with the ops point. But we are in effect a bankrupt country. We need to worry about ourselves first otherwise we might find ourselves in the same situation. I do feel very lucky to have been born in a first world country. But its not a good idea to just send money. Look at what has happened before with other countries. The aid gets wasted and the poor are mostly no better off. A harsh fact is that the world is over populated so if a backward country can't look after themselves then so be it. Darwin at work. I remember the famines in the 80 s in Ethiopia. We sent a huge amount of aid. But its still the same. If we are to improve our race then the weak must go. And if the strong prolong the life of the weak all it does is weaken the gene pool. I'm sure a lot will take exception to this point and you have the right. But in all of nature the strong survive to the benifit of the species.

funny how when people suggest letting those in far flung places in the world sort themselves out, in the name of survival, its almost acceptable.

yet, when its said that we should stop using life saving treatments for our loved ones, and those that go through life being medicated should have been left to die long ago, suddenly the Darwinian loyalties fade away"

By the law makers and those that interpret the law

Birth control should be paramount

And then there is the import and export of poverty

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