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"The problem is a culture of entitlement. The worst offenders are those who seem to think they have a right to rule. Our democracy is incredibly weak and we need more measures to kick them out. Fraud like this needs to trigger an automatic by-election so we can vote on whether we still want them to represent us or not. " Don't be too harsh .. It was a genuine mistake and he's so sorry and will pay it back immediately | |||
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"Millionaire Mp Nadhim Zahaw Has been caught up claiming for electric to the amount of 6 grand in his stables and riding school in his second home Yet again another example of MP's greed and disgusting morals While millions of people are frightened of turning their heating on this tosser is doing this Davis Cameron claimed 5 grand for his electric in his second home last year But they are going to pay it back so everything is ok now ! How nice of them ! " Because they have been caught again. How much have they claimed for other things which have not hit the media? Never mind - they can always award themselves a nice fat pay rise again to cover it. | |||
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"It wasn't a mistake. They were allowed to claim for it under the current expenses scheme. They are paying it back so what is the issue? I'd be more posses off if they just sat there and said 'I'm allowed, what's your problem??' You telling me when you go on business trips you don't claim everything that you can?" I sincerely hope this is tongue in cheek | |||
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" You telling me when you go on business trips you don't claim everything that you can?" The difference is that expenses on a business trip are paid for by trade, work and profit earned. Mp's expenses come from the taxes we pay. We should pay for 2nd homes for those whose constituencies are not near London, but not extravagances like stables | |||
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" You telling me when you go on business trips you don't claim everything that you can? The difference is that expenses on a business trip are paid for by trade, work and profit earned. Mp's expenses come from the taxes we pay. We should pay for 2nd homes for those whose constituencies are not near London, but not extravagances like stables" horses are a way of life, when you have a stressfull job, you need rest and relaxation, to many horses are a part of their life, maybe like you having a budgie, of course they are a justified expense, if you want the best people to govern you, it costs money, nothing worth having is free or cheap! | |||
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"It wasn't a mistake. They were allowed to claim for it under the current expenses scheme. They are paying it back so what is the issue? I'd be more posses off if they just sat there and said 'I'm allowed, what's your problem??' You telling me when you go on business trips you don't claim everything that you can?" and would they have paid it back if they hadnt been caught out ? | |||
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"Millionaire Mp Nadhim Zahaw Has been caught up claiming for electric to the amount of 6 grand in his stables and riding school in his second home Yet again another example of MP's greed and disgusting morals While millions of people are frightened of turning their heating on this tosser is doing this Davis Cameron claimed 5 grand for his electric in his second home last year But they are going to pay it back so everything is ok now ! How nice of them ! Because they have been caught again. How much have they claimed for other things which have not hit the media? Never mind - they can always award themselves a nice fat pay rise again to cover it."  | |||
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" You telling me when you go on business trips you don't claim everything that you can? The difference is that expenses on a business trip are paid for by trade, work and profit earned. Mp's expenses come from the taxes we pay. We should pay for 2nd homes for those whose constituencies are not near London, but not extravagances like stables horses are a way of life, when you have a stressfull job, you need rest and relaxation, to many horses are a part of their life, maybe like you having a budgie, of course they are a justified expense, if you want the best people to govern you, it costs money, nothing worth having is free or cheap!" What a load of bollocks | |||
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"What a load of bollocks" Funny bollocks tho! It always amuses me that those in Parliament are in essence the same as me .... Living on tax payers money. Except I don't claim more than is necessary to survive. | |||
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"The simple solution is that MPs are paid the minimum wage and only for the hours they attend Parliament or on constituency business. They fill a weekly time sheet and a weekly expense claim form. There are only 650 of them its a relatively small admin task? See how many rush into "public service" then!" That I would love to see | |||
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"Imagine the uproar if someone on benefits had been caught fiddling lekky meter the mps would have a right go. Fact is mps have been caught out and to say it was genuine mistake is pile of shite how folk can think otherwise beats me. After all the hooha when the expenses scandal kicked off all mps should be aware of what they claim so the excuse of it was mistake is pathetic" was just about to ask why hasnt he been prosecuted ? if hed been some single mum off a council estate his feet wouldnt of touched and there would be headlines branding them a scrounger all over the mail/sun etc | |||
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" You telling me when you go on business trips you don't claim everything that you can? The difference is that expenses on a business trip are paid for by trade, work and profit earned. Mp's expenses come from the taxes we pay. We should pay for 2nd homes for those whose constituencies are not near London, but not extravagances like stables horses are a way of life, when you have a stressfull job, you need rest and relaxation, to many horses are a part of their life, maybe like you having a budgie, of course they are a justified expense, if you want the best people to govern you, it costs money, nothing worth having is free or cheap! What a load of bollocks" | |||
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" Fact is mps have been caught out and to say it was genuine mistake is pile of shite how folk can think otherwise beats me. " If I 'accidentally' claimed expenses to which I was not entitled, I would probably loose my job, pension and get a prison sentence; and yes, I do work in the Public Sector. The problem with our 'honourable' friends is that, merely, saying 'sorry it was a mistake' gets them off the hook. A second problem appears to be that you can distort truth when appearing before a Parliamentary Select Committee; forget about emails, loose your memory about events etc. and there is no come back e.g. Police, press, bankers. If you did this in a Court of Law then you would go to prison for perjury; I think MPs think of themselves too highly and should not be acting as a quasi-court system, not least, because there appears to be no system of punishment attached to it. Accountability; my a**e. | |||
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"MP's should e put on zero hours contracts Get paid for work they do and nothing else Second homes? What a crock of shit Maybe in the dark ages when transport was shit and they needed to be in parliament Nowadays there's no need for it Transport links are easier and faster Budget hotels everywhere If they need to be in London away from their constituencies stay in a fuckin hotel like every other person working away on business has to Give them £75 a day expenses and lets are how they do then Lets be honest 99% of them are just lying cheating greedy bastards who live in cuckoo land and have no idea how normal folk live " My understanding is that they don't even have to provide receipts for purchases under £25. I have to provide a receipt for a cup of coffee purchased with my own money, fill out a bloody laborious online form and the coffee runs a 5% chance of being audited before I get my money back. Premier Inn for the Prime Minister; perfect. Anyone from Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath? I understand that one James Gordon Brown has voted on three occasions, in this parliament; that works out at around £22,000 per vote, plus expenses, of course. What does he do with his time? It's amazing how many MPs have time to author books; I normally don't even get time to eat lunch. | |||
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".... Anyone from Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath? I understand that one James Gordon Brown has voted on three occasions, in this parliament; that works out at around £22,000 per vote, plus expenses, of course. What does he do with his time! " He earns a lot of money and gives it ALL to charity. His constituents are well looked after, just as they were when he was Chancellor and PM. | |||
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".... He earns a lot of money and gives it ALL to charity. His constituents are well looked after, just as they were when he was Chancellor and PM." Well, that's good to know but how does he support his family; surely he can't give everything to charity? His estimated net worth is US15 million; I guess becoming a politician is a bit like winning the lottery? | |||
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".... His estimated net worth is US15 million; I guess becoming a politician is a bit like winning the lottery?" That number, even as an 'estimate' sounds made up. Is there a source? | |||
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".... Anyone from Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath? I understand that one James Gordon Brown has voted on three occasions, in this parliament; that works out at around £22,000 per vote, plus expenses, of course. What does he do with his time! He earns a lot of money and gives it ALL to charity. His constituents are well looked after, just as they were when he was Chancellor and PM." Lol they were the only ones he looked after a bully and incompetent | |||
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".... Anyone from Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath? I understand that one James Gordon Brown has voted on three occasions, in this parliament; that works out at around £22,000 per vote, plus expenses, of course. What does he do with his time! He earns a lot of money and gives it ALL to charity. His constituents are well looked after, just as they were when he was Chancellor and PM." Hahahaha Course he does Bullshit | |||
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"The problem is a culture of entitlement. The worst offenders are those who seem to think they have a right to rule. Our democracy is incredibly weak and we need more measures to kick them out. Fraud like this needs to trigger an automatic by-election so we can vote on whether we still want them to represent us or not. Don't be too harsh .. It was a genuine mistake and he's so sorry and will pay it back immediately " They are only paying it back because they got caught. And I'm sure it was a genuine mistake as they conciously sat down and filled in the claim form.... They are greedy, hypocritical thieving bastards. End of. | |||
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".... Anyone from Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath? I understand that one James Gordon Brown has voted on three occasions, in this parliament; that works out at around £22,000 per vote, plus expenses, of course. What does he do with his time! He earns a lot of money and gives it ALL to charity. His constituents are well looked after, just as they were when he was Chancellor and PM. Hahahaha Course he does Bullshit" I can well understand why folks are suspicious but it's true nonetheless. | |||
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"It wasn't a mistake. They were allowed to claim for it under the current expenses scheme. They are paying it back so what is the issue? I'd be more posses off if they just sat there and said 'I'm allowed, what's your problem??' You telling me when you go on business trips you don't claim everything that you can?" They're only paying it back because they've been found out so no, it's not alright. They continually lecture the rest of society on being in it together and doing the right thing. They also set the bar for standards of behaviour very high for others in public service yet flout them themselves. If the 'mistake' or oversight related to benefit claim by an ordinary member of the public they'd be risking prison. | |||
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".... That number, even as an 'estimate' sounds made up. Is there a source?" Brian Warner finance and marketing in Los Angeles: Tony Blair US$60 million Mandlespawn; you might want to try to work out exactly where his money is coming from? How does he manage to go from having to borrow money and lie on his mortgage application to buy a 250K house to being able to purchase an £8 million one around eight years later? Take a look at this: http://mrn_nnymouse.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/who-are-non-tycoons.html ' Delete message text (delete only available to you for the next couple of minutes) This removes the message text and replaces with a "Deleted" message | |||
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"MP's should e put on zero hours contracts Get paid for work they do and nothing else Second homes? What a crock of shit Maybe in the dark ages when transport was shit and they needed to be in parliament Nowadays there's no need for it Transport links are easier and faster Budget hotels everywhere If they need to be in London away from their constituencies stay in a fuckin hotel like every other person working away on business has to Give them £75 a day expenses and lets are how they do then Lets be honest 99% of them are just lying cheating greedy bastards who live in cuckoo land and have no idea how normal folk live "
Was it tebbit that told people to "get on their bikes" ?
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MP,s cant commute like many others is beyond me. And if they cant.....travel lodge etc.
These second homes are worth a bloody fortune and not just a two up and two down.
Im getting fed up of constantly reading about greedy MP,s who dont have a clue on what its like to struggle  | |||
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"No, you miss my point; the same source provides an estimate of Blair's net worth. Politician's always appear to be either wealthy when they enter parliament or wealthy/wealthier when they leave. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9290520/Exclusive-Cabinet-is-worth-70million.html How does someone like Nick Clegg manage to amass around £2 million? Maybe this has something to do with it: Shortly ahead of the 2010 election, Clegg was asked about his own expenses by Andrew Neil of the BBC. Clegg allegedly claimed the full amount permissible under the Additional Cost Allowance, including claims for food, gardening and redecorating his second home. The Telegraph also said Clegg claimed £80 for international call charges, a claim he said he would repay. The thing about politician's is that they simply love spending everybody else's money. When I last calculated; I worked an 88 hour week and my marginal rate of taxation was 63% i.e. the government allowed me to keep 37 pence from every pound I 'earned'. Maybe if we could all claim for food (subsidised at the House), drink (subsidised at the House), gardening and re-decorating, etc. we could all become millionaires. Having worked hard through University, with a part-time job to pay for the necessary books, and then undertaking subsequent courses and examinations (the cost of which you cannot set against taxation), I begin to wonder why I bothered. Rant over. " You still haven't explained what this has to do with Gordon Brown. | |||
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"You voted these people into office, if you didn't, stop moaning and vote next time!" Actually, nobody voted this government in. | |||
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"You voted these people into office, if you didn't, stop moaning and vote next time! Actually, nobody voted this government in." Actually, by people not voting, we did vote them in! | |||
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"You voted these people into office, if you didn't, stop moaning and vote next time! Actually, nobody voted this government in. Actually, by people not voting, we did vote them in! " Only in the marginal seats. Every election is won on marginal seats. If you vote against the majority in a safe labour or tory seat, it isn't going to make any difference. | |||
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"From the Daily Mail which admits it f***ed up. An article on Monday said that in the past three and a half years Gordon Brown had claimed more than £316,000 in salary and ‘personal expenses’ such as water bills, airfares and petrol. This is not correct nor was the statement that he never forgets to claim his expenses. We accept that Mr Brown does not claim any ‘personal expenses’, neither for accommodation, utilities, personal travel, nor living expenses of any kind. " Good of them to leave that too late to make a difference | |||
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"I doubt anyone but Mail readers believed it on the first place. He may not have had much of a shot at being PM, but he's a fine, honest man." I agree with you on Brown, but come on Onny, you surely don't have that much faith in the human race (the ones that dont read the Mail or the Star) | |||
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"The problem is a culture of entitlement. The worst offenders are those who seem to think they have a right to rule. Our democracy is incredibly weak and we need more measures to kick them out. Fraud like this needs to trigger an automatic by-election so we can vote on whether we still want them to represent us or not. Don't be too harsh .. It was a genuine mistake and he's so sorry and will pay it back immediately " that's subtle  | |||
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"Five surgeons are discussing who were the best patients to operate on. The first surgeon says, 'I like to see Accountants on my operating table because when you open them up, everything inside is numbered.' The second responds, 'Yeah, but you should try Electricians! Everything inside them is colour-coded.' The third surgeon says, 'No, I really think Librarians are the best; everything inside them is in alphabetical order.' The fourth surgeon chimes in, 'You know I like Construction Workers. Those guys always understand when you have a few parts left over at the end, and when the job takes longer than you said it would.' But the fifth surgeon shut them all up when he observed, 'You're all wrong. Politicians are the easiest to operate on. There's no guts, no heart, no balls, no brains, and no spine, and there are only two moving parts - the mouth and the [zb] - and they are interchangeable" very good and bloody true | |||
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"The problem is a culture of entitlement. The worst offenders are those who seem to think they have a right to rule. Our democracy is incredibly weak and we need more measures to kick them out......." That's pretty much what John Major (yes, him !) in a speech over the weekend. Anybody catch Nadine Dorries 'apology' for routing her tv appearance money through a company and not declaring in to the Commons? Blink and you'll miss it. | |||
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