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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I'm having to go on one today for doing 5mph over the limit in a 40 on a dual carriageway!!! If I would of done 10mph over I wouldn't of been giving the option and had 3pts and a 100 fine (my first offence in 20 years btw) but by doing this I don't get the fine or points but the course costs 95 saving me a fiver and I'm going to have to endure 4 hrs of boredom.

Surely these should be compulsory to those who have excessively broke the limit and be fined aloe is it just another way to make bloody money for the gov???

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"I'm having to go on one today for doing 5mph over the limit in a 40 on a dual carriageway!!! If I would of done 10mph over I wouldn't of been giving the option and had 3pts and a 100 fine (my first offence in 20 years btw) but by doing this I don't get the fine or points but the course costs 95 saving me a fiver and I'm going to have to endure 4 hrs of boredom.

Surely these should be compulsory to those who have excessively broke the limit and be fined aloe is it just another way to make bloody money for the gov???

"

Seems that way huh. I got mine for doing 60mph on a bloody empty motorway at 2am on Boxing Day! The course isn't too boring though, I did learn some stuff.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was dreading it but the course I went on was actually really good.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

surely you are already aware of speeding otherwise you wouldnt have been doing it lol.

would be good if they gave you the opt out option on driving convictions that are equally or less dangerous.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm gonna be the boring one and say, well you shouldn't have been speeding! 5mph doesn't seem a lot but it can be the difference between life and death, sounds extreme but it's the truth, limits are there for a reason.

*stepsoffthesoapbox

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By *eeBee67Man
over a year ago

Masked and Distant

I went on one last year.

4 hours of young lads slumped in their chair not paying attention or joining in. Then being told they had to do course again

And a chinese bloke who spent the 4 hours complaining that it wasnt his fault he got done.

Still I learned some stuff and more than £5 cheaper where I took it. Look around some places charge less than others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you're worried of being bored take the fine and points, then you can carry on with your life.

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By *andy_tomMan
over a year ago

wolverhampton

Speed kills. Don't do the crime and you won't do the time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Morale of the story is...... enjoy the journey dont rush to the final destination

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm having to go on one today for doing 5mph over the limit in a 40 on a dual carriageway!!! If I would of done 10mph over I wouldn't of been giving the option and had 3pts and a 100 fine (my first offence in 20 years btw) but by doing this I don't get the fine or points but the course costs 95 saving me a fiver and I'm going to have to endure 4 hrs of boredom.

Surely these should be compulsory to those who have excessively broke the limit and be fined aloe is it just another way to make bloody money for the gov???

Seems that way huh. I got mine for doing 60mph on a bloody empty motorway at 2am on Boxing Day! The course isn't too boring though, I did learn some stuff."

60mph

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By *andy_tomMan
over a year ago

wolverhampton

Speed on the motorway is 70 do why .did you get done for doing 60. ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Seems that way huh. I got mine for doing 60mph on a bloody empty motorway at 2am on Boxing Day! The course isn't too boring though, I did learn some stuff."

But the speed limit on a motorway is 70 mph isn't it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Did one 2 years ago and I have never been so bloody bored in all my life .

Spent half of it on fab arranging a meet and was told if I was caught on my phone again I would be ejected !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you're worried of being bored take the fine and points, then you can carry on with your life. "

I wish I had !

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By *mm_n_ZedCouple
over a year ago

Fareham

I got caught doing 33mph on a quiet, wide, empty back road which has a 30 limit. A bit harsh I thought but hey ho - such is life.

A friend doing 39mph in a 30 got pulled over and received a finger wagging and a telling off. It's the inconsistency that pisses me off.

I took the points and the fine. I didn't want to spend 4 hours of my life being told how dangerous doing 33 is.

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By *orthwest_cplCouple
over a year ago

Stretford


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Seems that way huh. I got mine for doing 60mph on a bloody empty motorway at 2am on Boxing Day! The course isn't too boring though, I did learn some stuff.

But the speed limit on a motorway is 70 mph isn't it?"

Not in roadworks or where there are variable speed limit gantrys.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There was also reports of some insurance companies increasing premiums for drivers who attended these courses as the conviction for speeding is public record regardless of whether you got points or not.

If you're going to speed, suck it up.

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By *andy_tomMan
over a year ago

wolverhampton

Speed limit if your towing is 60.

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By *andy_tomMan
over a year ago

wolverhampton

Then stick to the limit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Seems that way huh. I got mine for doing 60mph on a bloody empty motorway at 2am on Boxing Day! The course isn't too boring though, I did learn some stuff.

But the speed limit on a motorway is 70 mph isn't it?

Not in roadworks or where there are variable speed limit gantrys."

That's my point. She was obviously ignoring reduced speed notices.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *mm_n_ZedCouple
over a year ago

Fareham

Yes, we miscreants should learn from the good citizens on here who never, ever go a single mph over the limit

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By *andy_tomMan
over a year ago

wolverhampton

The signs are there for a reason. Take note o r pay the price.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Then stick to the limit."

So you have never ever broken the law on the road ..?

I have yet to be caught.. so have a squeeky clean licence... I do think that on smaller roads Speeding is not good and am all for residential narrow roads being 20mph limits... But the big roads.. motorways for one... I think it's about time limits were increased...

Speed isn't normally an issue... But driving inability at those speeds...

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By *mm_n_ZedCouple
over a year ago

Fareham


"The signs are there for a reason. Take note o r pay the price. "

I did - but I refuse to believe there's a single driver on the road who hasn't done a few mph over the limit. EVER.

And as I said, it wasn't the penalty that hacked me off but the inconsistencies. Either it's an offence or it isn't surely?

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By *andy_tomMan
over a year ago

wolverhampton

I live in the country and there his been an accident on every road . Speed has been the cause of 90% of these accidents.

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By *andy_tomMan
over a year ago

wolverhampton

If you have been caught speeding live and learn. Its your own fault .you where driving no one else to blame .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I live in the country and there his been an accident on every road . Speed has been the cause of 90% of these accidents."

*sigh* no it hasnt, not driving to the surrounding conditions has been the cause of ALL of these accidents.

speed is only a contributing factor.

otherwise, as soon as a vehicle moves it would be involved in a crash. do you hit someone elses car as soon as the speedo strays over the limit?

of course you dont.

its never as simple as 'he was speeding, thats why he crashed'

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Thank you officer but I don't need a speed awareness course. I am aware of my speed. I was doing 110.

Maybe not...

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By *andyblokeMan
over a year ago

birmingham

i quoite agree

personnally i think every driver should be made to go on an awareness course every 10 yrs and if they dont ther insurance doubles.if they do they get 10% off their next yrs insurance. Unaware drivers who drive looking at there bonnet lids, playing with phones, driving one handed etc need awareness of the dire consquences of their actions.

I'll get me coat

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By *andy_tomMan
over a year ago

wolverhampton

Had they been driving slower. They would not have crashed. They would ha ve stopped. .

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"I live in the country and there his been an accident on every road . Speed has been the cause of 90% of these accidents.

*sigh* no it hasnt, not driving to the surrounding conditions has been the cause of ALL of these accidents.

speed is only a contributing factor.

otherwise, as soon as a vehicle moves it would be involved in a crash. do you hit someone elses car as soon as the speedo strays over the limit?

of course you dont.

its never as simple as 'he was speeding, thats why he crashed'"

The whole speed kills thing is part of the dumbing down and brainwashing the general populous.

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By *parkybunnyCouple
over a year ago

Zurich. NOT London.

Just remember third is for thirty and a stop sign is octagonal!

Been there, done that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Had they been driving slower. They would not have crashed. They would ha ve stopped. ."

really?

90% of crashes in your country (guessing the same one as mine)

you have attended all of these accidents and know for sure that if they had been going slower they wouldnt have crashed?

funny because lorries only go 56 and they still crash.

i crashed into a wall last year, in the snow and wasnt doing much more than 20, so i wasnt speeding, as the limit was 30.

some dont need dumbing down or brain washing as they are already there

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By *renchbambi xWoman
over a year ago

Need to know basis


"I'm having to go on one today for doing 5mph over the limit in a 40 on a dual carriageway!!! If I would of done 10mph over I wouldn't of been giving the option and had 3pts and a 100 fine (my first offence in 20 years btw) but by doing this I don't get the fine or points but the course costs 95 saving me a fiver and I'm going to have to endure 4 hrs of boredom.

Surely these should be compulsory to those who have excessively broke the limit and be fined aloe is it just another way to make bloody money for the gov???

"

You naughty boy!!! bend over so I can spank you

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"The signs are there for a reason"

The way speed limits are set and managed in this country is ridiculous.

If the powers that be actually cared about road safety they would fix and maintain the roads properly and make advanced driving skills courses more accessible and cheaper.

Of course, those things cost money whereas setting low limits and fining people for breaking them, even if they are driving safely, makes money.

However, the cost to the emergency services and the health service of a major incident is huge.

I wonder if anyone in the government has analysed what maintaining the roads would cost versus the overall saving in emergency and health response.

Unfortunately our government never looks at the big picture. It's all about departments trying to minimise their own costs even if it causes much larger expense to other departments.

I'd like to see a bit more "big picture" thinking when it comes to public money.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I got caught doing 33mph on a quiet, wide, empty back road which has a 30 limit. A bit harsh I thought but hey ho - such is life.

A friend doing 39mph in a 30 got pulled over and received a finger wagging and a telling off. It's the inconsistency that pisses me off.

I took the points and the fine. I didn't want to spend 4 hours of my life being told how dangerous doing 33 is."

The guidelines say speed limit +10%+2mph so in a 30 zone that allows 35mph. That being said all Speedos are calibrated to under read so you must surely have known you were speeding, infact you probably thought you were going more...

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By *mm_n_ZedCouple
over a year ago

Fareham


"I got caught doing 33mph on a quiet, wide, empty back road which has a 30 limit. A bit harsh I thought but hey ho - such is life.

A friend doing 39mph in a 30 got pulled over and received a finger wagging and a telling off. It's the inconsistency that pisses me off.

I took the points and the fine. I didn't want to spend 4 hours of my life being told how dangerous doing 33 is.

The guidelines say speed limit +10%+2mph so in a 30 zone that allows 35mph. That being said all Speedos are calibrated to under read so you must surely have known you were speeding, infact you probably thought you were going more..."

The 10% 'guideline' is just that. The authorities are not obliged to observe it and can fine you on any amount over the limit. I was doing 33mph - it stated this on the letter I was sent by the police. I had been clocked by a mobile speed unit - a copper in a white van parked on a verge. Of course I knew I was doing over 30mph - my speedo needle was just above the line! I knew it wasn't by much but I didn't know it was 33 as my speedo isn't divided into 1mph increments.

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By *andy_tomMan
over a year ago

wolverhampton


"Had they been driving slower. They would not have crashed. They would ha ve stopped. .

really?

90% of crashes in your country (guessing the same one as mine)

you have attended all of these accidents and know for sure that if they had been going slower they wouldnt have crashed?

funny because lorries only go 56 and they still crash.

i crashed into a wall last year, in the snow and wasnt doing much more than 20, so i wasnt speeding, as the limit was 30.

some dont need dumbing down or brain washing as they are already there"

well ask your self this question had you been driveing slower would you have crashed ..... me thinks not .

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By *ubkentguyMan
over a year ago

TUNBRIDGE WELLS

But then all it comes down to don't speed u don't get anywhere quicker do u

Think tortoise an hare who won

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By *andy_tomMan
over a year ago

wolverhampton


"But then all it comes down to don't speed u don't get anywhere quicker do u

Think tortoise an hare who won "

better to arive late than never . start out early .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I got done doing 26 in a 20 over tower bridge. . Good course to do but what ever you do don't be late they won't let you in you lose your money and you get the points

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By *andy_tomMan
over a year ago

wolverhampton

if you start out early you get there in plenty of time , it ant good if you get done for speeding on the way to the speeding course .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Had they been driving slower. They would not have crashed. They would ha ve stopped. .

really?

90% of crashes in your country (guessing the same one as mine)

you have attended all of these accidents and know for sure that if they had been going slower they wouldnt have crashed?

funny because lorries only go 56 and they still crash.

i crashed into a wall last year, in the snow and wasnt doing much more than 20, so i wasnt speeding, as the limit was 30.

some dont need dumbing down or brain washing as they are already there

well ask your self this question had you been driveing slower would you have crashed ..... me thinks not . "

but i wasnt speeding.

i was on a 30 mph road doing between 20-25 mph.

i wasnt driving to the road conditions and made a sharp movement.

so no, i didnt crash because i was speeding, i crashed because i wasnt driving to the conditions of the road.

hence saying speed is a 'contributing factor' but not THE reason for most accidents.

how many people do you see driving under the speed limit in fog, but without lights on?

or in the pissing rain without them on too?

asking to be involved in an accident, but it wont be because they are driving too fast.

you really need to remove those blinkers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"if you start out early you get there in plenty of time , it ant good if you get done for speeding on the way to the speeding course . "

It would be bloody funny though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm having to go on one today for doing 5mph over the limit in a 40 on a dual carriageway!!!

"

Haha.

I got a notice of intended prosecution 3 days ago for doing 57 in a 50 on temporary m-way regulations.

On the back if the form it's giving me the option to voluntarily attend one.

I'm just wondering if I do it voluntarily they might show lenience and let me off the 3 points.

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By *mm_n_ZedCouple
over a year ago

Fareham


"I'm having to go on one today for doing 5mph over the limit in a 40 on a dual carriageway!!!

Haha.

I got a notice of intended prosecution 3 days ago for doing 57 in a 50 on temporary m-way regulations.

On the back if the form it's giving me the option to voluntarily attend one.

I'm just wondering if I do it voluntarily they might show lenience and let me off the 3 points. "

I don't think you get the points if you do the course. But you only get that offer once... get caught speeding again and it's points and fine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

6 points on your licence if you don't attend 3 points if you do x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I need to research! But recent research has proved that research is boring!

...so..I might not get any or I might get 3 or I might get 6 if I don't settle for 3?...

Good shit this law stuff!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I need to research! But recent research has proved that research is boring!

...so..I might not get any or I might get 3 or I might get 6 if I don't settle for 3?...

Good shit this law stuff! "

You said you were a solicitor the other day, wouldn't one of your colleagues be able to help?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I got caught doing 33mph on a quiet, wide, empty back road which has a 30 limit. A bit harsh I thought but hey ho - such is life.

A friend doing 39mph in a 30 got pulled over and received a finger wagging and a telling off. It's the inconsistency that pisses me off.

I took the points and the fine. I didn't want to spend 4 hours of my life being told how dangerous doing 33 is.

The guidelines say speed limit +10%+2mph so in a 30 zone that allows 35mph. That being said all Speedos are calibrated to under read so you must surely have known you were speeding, infact you probably thought you were going more...

The 10% 'guideline' is just that. The authorities are not obliged to observe it and can fine you on any amount over the limit. I was doing 33mph - it stated this on the letter I was sent by the police. I had been clocked by a mobile speed unit - a copper in a white van parked on a verge. Of course I knew I was doing over 30mph - my speedo needle was just above the line! I knew it wasn't by much but I didn't know it was 33 as my speedo isn't divided into 1mph increments."

Then I would say you were bloody unlucky and that your speedo wants looking at. On both my cars the needle says around 38 and my GPS says 30!!

Have you got aftermarket wheels or possibly lower profile tyres on your car?

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By *ngieandMrManCouple
over a year ago

hereford

For all those who believe that the speed traps and fines are just a money making game for the government there is a simple solution... DO NOT FEED IT. £60 and 6 points for a crap picture of your car! Who is the mug?

But there is more to it... not speeding will save you quite a lot of money in fuel, tyres and brakes will last much longer. And in the event that you do have an accident, being on the right side of the speed limit will be very much in your favour. Have an accident that includes excessive speed and you could find yourself in one of her majesty's hotels

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By *ezebelWoman
over a year ago

North of The Wall - youll need your vest


"I need to research! But recent research has proved that research is boring!

...so..I might not get any or I might get 3 or I might get 6 if I don't settle for 3?...

Good shit this law stuff! "

I did it a couple of weeks ago. If you attend the course you dont get the points. You dont have to voluntarily declare it on your insurance.

If you get done again in the next 3 years you can't do another course, and youll get the points next time.

Your attendance is kept on the record for 4 years - 3 years in respect of further offences, the 4th year is for research statistics only. After that its gone completely.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"But then all it comes down to don't speed u don't get anywhere quicker do u

Think tortoise an hare who won "

You know the hare and the tortoise is a story, right?

You don't get anywhere quicker by going faster? Er... that has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've seen written on here! Tell it to Mo Farah.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Had they been driving slower. They would not have crashed. They would ha ve stopped. ."

not in all cases... what about where they pull out in front of someone... and everyone was travelling at the correct speed.

Speed is not the biggest cause of accidents.. but is a good source of income.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"Had they been driving slower. They would not have crashed. They would ha ve stopped. .

not in all cases... what about where they pull out in front of someone... and everyone was travelling at the correct speed.

Speed is not the biggest cause of accidents.. but is a good source of income. "

Ah but but but if they hadn't set out at all because they'd still been trying to finish their journey from two days before at 1mph they'd have been somewhere different and wouldn't have had the accident! Speed kills you know.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"But then all it comes down to don't speed u don't get anywhere quicker do u

Think tortoise an hare who won

You know the hare and the tortoise is a story, right?

You don't get anywhere quicker by going faster? Er... that has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've seen written on here! Tell it to Mo Farah. "

on motorways i agree.

i would challenge anyone to a race up the motorway , you in your car, and me on my bike (650 chopper so hardly a speed merchant) on a weekday, from dorset to carlisle.

can guarantee there wouldnt be much in it as the car would only go as fast as the net traffic jam, the bike will 'filter' lol

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By *mm_n_ZedCouple
over a year ago

Fareham


"I got caught doing 33mph on a quiet, wide, empty back road which has a 30 limit. A bit harsh I thought but hey ho - such is life.

A friend doing 39mph in a 30 got pulled over and received a finger wagging and a telling off. It's the inconsistency that pisses me off.

I took the points and the fine. I didn't want to spend 4 hours of my life being told how dangerous doing 33 is.

The guidelines say speed limit +10%+2mph so in a 30 zone that allows 35mph. That being said all Speedos are calibrated to under read so you must surely have known you were speeding, infact you probably thought you were going more...

The 10% 'guideline' is just that. The authorities are not obliged to observe it and can fine you on any amount over the limit. I was doing 33mph - it stated this on the letter I was sent by the police. I had been clocked by a mobile speed unit - a copper in a white van parked on a verge. Of course I knew I was doing over 30mph - my speedo needle was just above the line! I knew it wasn't by much but I didn't know it was 33 as my speedo isn't divided into 1mph increments.

Then I would say you were bloody unlucky and that your speedo wants looking at. On both my cars the needle says around 38 and my GPS says 30!!

Have you got aftermarket wheels or possibly lower profile tyres on your car? "

Why does my speedo need looking at? The needle was 'a bit above above' the 30 mark and I was clocked doing 33 so I reckon that makes my speedo pretty accurate. If it was that much out (like yours is) then I'd have actually been going UNDER 30 and wouldn't have got clocked at all .

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"But then all it comes down to don't speed u don't get anywhere quicker do u

Think tortoise an hare who won

You know the hare and the tortoise is a story, right?

You don't get anywhere quicker by going faster? Er... that has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've seen written on here! Tell it to Mo Farah.

on motorways i agree.

i would challenge anyone to a race up the motorway , you in your car, and me on my bike (650 chopper so hardly a speed merchant) on a weekday, from dorset to carlisle.

can guarantee there wouldnt be much in it as the car would only go as fast as the net traffic jam, the bike will 'filter' lol"

Car virtually stationary, bike moving - bike gets there quicker.

Vehicle doing 20mph vs vehicle doing 40mph over the same distance - 40mph vehicle gets there quicker (assuming it isn't stolen by aliens and doesn't accidentally drive through a wormhole to another dimension).

Yes, if one vehicle has an accident then the other gets there quicker BUT that's the exception rather than the rule so I can't see how anyone could think you don't get anywhere more quickly by going faster.

There would be no such thing as racing - motor racing, running, or whatever - if that were the case. The whole idea is to go faster to finish first!

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

By the way v&h, I'm not arguing. I'm still bamboozled and vaguely disbelieving of the original claim!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I need to research! But recent research has proved that research is boring!

...so..I might not get any or I might get 3 or I might get 6 if I don't settle for 3?...

Good shit this law stuff!

You said you were a solicitor the other day, wouldn't one of your colleagues be able to help?"

Oh my fucking god!

I was joking!

I have no words.

P.s and it was this morning I said it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"But then all it comes down to don't speed u don't get anywhere quicker do u

Think tortoise an hare who won

You know the hare and the tortoise is a story, right?

You don't get anywhere quicker by going faster? Er... that has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've seen written on here! Tell it to Mo Farah.

on motorways i agree.

i would challenge anyone to a race up the motorway , you in your car, and me on my bike (650 chopper so hardly a speed merchant) on a weekday, from dorset to carlisle.

can guarantee there wouldnt be much in it as the car would only go as fast as the net traffic jam, the bike will 'filter' lol

Car virtually stationary, bike moving - bike gets there quicker.

Vehicle doing 20mph vs vehicle doing 40mph over the same distance - 40mph vehicle gets there quicker (assuming it isn't stolen by aliens and doesn't accidentally drive through a wormhole to another dimension).

Yes, if one vehicle has an accident then the other gets there quicker BUT that's the exception rather than the rule so I can't see how anyone could think you don't get anywhere more quickly by going faster.

There would be no such thing as racing - motor racing, running, or whatever - if that were the case. The whole idea is to go faster to finish first!"

not at all.

in a short 'race' then yes, the fastest would come first, but, with the exception of foot races, ie 10k or marathons and so on, where the variables are the same for all participants, the car would do a slower average speed due to traffic, whereas the bike wouldnt be held up by such things as it can 'scythe' its way through by filtering, so the car would do a lower average speed, even if it were to be doing higher intermittent speeds.

if a car were doing 100mph as often as it could, yet gets held up in stationary traffic, or indeed, slow moving, the average speed would be lower than a bike sat steady at the speed limit and filtering

see where im coming from?

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

Hi op. How many times have i told you to slow down???? xxxx

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"But then all it comes down to don't speed u don't get anywhere quicker do u

Think tortoise an hare who won

You know the hare and the tortoise is a story, right?

You don't get anywhere quicker by going faster? Er... that has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've seen written on here! Tell it to Mo Farah.

on motorways i agree.

i would challenge anyone to a race up the motorway , you in your car, and me on my bike (650 chopper so hardly a speed merchant) on a weekday, from dorset to carlisle.

can guarantee there wouldnt be much in it as the car would only go as fast as the net traffic jam, the bike will 'filter' lol

Car virtually stationary, bike moving - bike gets there quicker.

Vehicle doing 20mph vs vehicle doing 40mph over the same distance - 40mph vehicle gets there quicker (assuming it isn't stolen by aliens and doesn't accidentally drive through a wormhole to another dimension).

Yes, if one vehicle has an accident then the other gets there quicker BUT that's the exception rather than the rule so I can't see how anyone could think you don't get anywhere more quickly by going faster.

There would be no such thing as racing - motor racing, running, or whatever - if that were the case. The whole idea is to go faster to finish first!

not at all.

in a short 'race' then yes, the fastest would come first, but, with the exception of foot races, ie 10k or marathons and so on, where the variables are the same for all participants, the car would do a slower average speed due to traffic, whereas the bike wouldnt be held up by such things as it can 'scythe' its way through by filtering, so the car would do a lower average speed, even if it were to be doing higher intermittent speeds.

if a car were doing 100mph as often as it could, yet gets held up in stationary traffic, or indeed, slow moving, the average speed would be lower than a bike sat steady at the speed limit and filtering

see where im coming from?"

Yes and I'm not arguing with you.

It's you don't get anywhere more quickly by going faster I have a problem with.

The car would come second in your scenario but on clear sections if it goes faster, it gets there quicker.

The time taken for a journey isn't about top speed, it's about average speed. If your bike reaches the end point first, your average speed was higher meaning you were faster and got there quicker. The car may have a higher top speed but in that situation, for that journey, you were faster.

I completely see the point you were making though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I need to research! But recent research has proved that research is boring!

...so..I might not get any or I might get 3 or I might get 6 if I don't settle for 3?...

Good shit this law stuff!

You said you were a solicitor the other day, wouldn't one of your colleagues be able to help?

Oh my fucking god!

I was joking!

I have no words.

P.s and it was this morning I said it. "

Did you forget to put your clocks back sweetie? 19 hours ago would make it yesterday.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh man,

I did that course, it really is 4 hours of torture!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I got caught doing 33mph on a quiet, wide, empty back road which has a 30 limit. A bit harsh I thought but hey ho - such is life.

A friend doing 39mph in a 30 got pulled over and received a finger wagging and a telling off. It's the inconsistency that pisses me off.

I took the points and the fine. I didn't want to spend 4 hours of my life being told how dangerous doing 33 is.

The guidelines say speed limit +10%+2mph so in a 30 zone that allows 35mph. That being said all Speedos are calibrated to under read so you must surely have known you were speeding, infact you probably thought you were going more...

The 10% 'guideline' is just that. The authorities are not obliged to observe it and can fine you on any amount over the limit. I was doing 33mph - it stated this on the letter I was sent by the police. I had been clocked by a mobile speed unit - a copper in a white van parked on a verge. Of course I knew I was doing over 30mph - my speedo needle was just above the line! I knew it wasn't by much but I didn't know it was 33 as my speedo isn't divided into 1mph increments.

Then I would say you were bloody unlucky and that your speedo wants looking at. On both my cars the needle says around 38 and my GPS says 30!!

Have you got aftermarket wheels or possibly lower profile tyres on your car?

Why does my speedo need looking at? The needle was 'a bit above above' the 30 mark and I was clocked doing 33 so I reckon that makes my speedo pretty accurate. If it was that much out (like yours is) then I'd have actually been going UNDER 30 and wouldn't have got clocked at all ."

Exactly!

Most cars are 5-7mph out as its law that they can't under-read the speed so manufacturers calibrate them to over-read. I only enquired because yours seems awfully close and believe it or not, with tyre wear could actually end up under reading...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I need to research! But recent research has proved that research is boring!

...so..I might not get any or I might get 3 or I might get 6 if I don't settle for 3?...

Good shit this law stuff!

You said you were a solicitor the other day, wouldn't one of your colleagues be able to help?

Oh my fucking god!

I was joking!

I have no words.

P.s and it was this morning I said it.

Did you forget to put your clocks back sweetie? 19 hours ago would make it yesterday.

"

Trust me..I'm not a solicitor.

If you think trolling me in this thread anf the other one, is gonna make me say "oooh yes I am a solicitor" you are well out of your mind fuck league.

/out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I need to research! But recent research has proved that research is boring!

...so..I might not get any or I might get 3 or I might get 6 if I don't settle for 3?...

Good shit this law stuff!

You said you were a solicitor the other day, wouldn't one of your colleagues be able to help?

Oh my fucking god!

I was joking!

I have no words.

P.s and it was this morning I said it.

Did you forget to put your clocks back sweetie? 19 hours ago would make it yesterday.

Trust me..I'm not a solicitor.

If you think trolling me in this thread anf the other one, is gonna make me say "oooh yes I am a solicitor" you are well out of your mind fuck league.

/out."

are you a lawyer then? lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

are you a lawyer then? lol"

No I'm not smart.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

are you a lawyer then? lol

No I'm not smart."

bannister?

sorry,

barrister lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm having to go on one today for doing 5mph over the limit in a 40 on a dual carriageway!!! If I would of done 10mph over I wouldn't of been giving the option and had 3pts and a 100 fine (my first offence in 20 years btw) but by doing this I don't get the fine or points but the course costs 95 saving me a fiver and I'm going to have to endure 4 hrs of boredom.

Surely these should be compulsory to those who have excessively broke the limit and be fined aloe is it just another way to make bloody money for the gov???

"

The course isn't boring, in fact if you see it as a refresher, you will learn things, for example how doing just 5 mph over the speed limit, is more likely to kill a child, than just causing injury,

It is probably the best £95 you will spend, the alternative was to spend the money on a fine, and have points on your license,

You were lucky to be given the chance to learn, and help keep our roads that little bit safer

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By *ncutgemMan
over a year ago

Bath ish

Its the idiots doing way over the speed limit that need to be educated but my asdvise piss the cours leaders off that way youll endure 4 hours fail the course and get the bonus of having points on your licence

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I got caught doing 33mph on a quiet, wide, empty back road which has a 30 limit. A bit harsh I thought but hey ho - such is life.

A friend doing 39mph in a 30 got pulled over and received a finger wagging and a telling off. It's the inconsistency that pisses me off.

I took the points and the fine. I didn't want to spend 4 hours of my life being told how dangerous doing 33 is.

The guidelines say speed limit +10%+2mph so in a 30 zone that allows 35mph. That being said all Speedos are calibrated to under read so you must surely have known you were speeding, infact you probably thought you were going more...

The 10% 'guideline' is just that. The authorities are not obliged to observe it and can fine you on any amount over the limit. I was doing 33mph - it stated this on the letter I was sent by the police. I had been clocked by a mobile speed unit - a copper in a white van parked on a verge. Of course I knew I was doing over 30mph - my speedo needle was just above the line! I knew it wasn't by much but I didn't know it was 33 as my speedo isn't divided into 1mph increments.

Then I would say you were bloody unlucky and that your speedo wants looking at. On both my cars the needle says around 38 and my GPS says 30!!

Have you got aftermarket wheels or possibly lower profile tyres on your car?

Why does my speedo need looking at? The needle was 'a bit above above' the 30 mark and I was clocked doing 33 so I reckon that makes my speedo pretty accurate. If it was that much out (like yours is) then I'd have actually been going UNDER 30 and wouldn't have got clocked at all .

Exactly!

Most cars are 5-7mph out as its law that they can't under-read the speed so manufacturers calibrate them to over-read. I only enquired because yours seems awfully close and believe it or not, with tyre wear could actually end up under reading..."

Don't the regulations state that speedo's must read within 10% of true speed. ie 3 at 30, 4 at 40 etc

So if yours is reading 37 when GPS says its doing 30 something is amiss.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


" you will learn things, for example how doing just 5 mph over the speed limit, is more likely to kill a child, than just causing injury."

I hear this stuff trotted out a lot but nobody seems to be able to provide the peer-reviewed research, or even dodgy research, to prove it.

I think it's more government propaganda to justify stupid speed limits and using them to raise money through speeding fines.

A lot of the speed limits in this country were set when braking performance, handling and safety of cars was far inferior to now so I can't believe they are anything other than fairly arbitrary in most cases.

Show me where it describes how to calculate the likelihood of a vehicle killing vs injuring someone based on its speed. For one thing it would depend on the type of vehicle.

One word. Brainwashing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I got caught doing 33mph on a quiet, wide, empty back road which has a 30 limit. A bit harsh I thought but hey ho - such is life.

A friend doing 39mph in a 30 got pulled over and received a finger wagging and a telling off. It's the inconsistency that pisses me off.

I took the points and the fine. I didn't want to spend 4 hours of my life being told how dangerous doing 33 is.

The guidelines say speed limit +10%+2mph so in a 30 zone that allows 35mph. That being said all Speedos are calibrated to under read so you must surely have known you were speeding, infact you probably thought you were going more...

The 10% 'guideline' is just that. The authorities are not obliged to observe it and can fine you on any amount over the limit. I was doing 33mph - it stated this on the letter I was sent by the police. I had been clocked by a mobile speed unit - a copper in a white van parked on a verge. Of course I knew I was doing over 30mph - my speedo needle was just above the line! I knew it wasn't by much but I didn't know it was 33 as my speedo isn't divided into 1mph increments.

Then I would say you were bloody unlucky and that your speedo wants looking at. On both my cars the needle says around 38 and my GPS says 30!!

Have you got aftermarket wheels or possibly lower profile tyres on your car?

Why does my speedo need looking at? The needle was 'a bit above above' the 30 mark and I was clocked doing 33 so I reckon that makes my speedo pretty accurate. If it was that much out (like yours is) then I'd have actually been going UNDER 30 and wouldn't have got clocked at all .

Exactly!

Most cars are 5-7mph out as its law that they can't under-read the speed so manufacturers calibrate them to over-read. I only enquired because yours seems awfully close and believe it or not, with tyre wear could actually end up under reading...

Don't the regulations state that speedo's must read within 10% of true speed. ie 3 at 30, 4 at 40 etc

So if yours is reading 37 when GPS says its doing 30 something is amiss.

"

Naa, its impossible to get them within a certain percentage and still nor have them underread the speed. So many things affect the Speedo, tyre wear, wheel size (done forget manufacturers often fit different sized wheels to the same model car and given side wall sizes of tyres are limited its mostly a compromise) and even tyre tread and wheel geometry/tracking.

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By *ubkentguyMan
over a year ago

TUNBRIDGE WELLS


"I'm having to go on one today for doing 5mph over the limit in a 40 on a dual carriageway!!! If I would of done 10mph over I wouldn't of been giving the option and had 3pts and a 100 fine (my first offence in 20 years btw) but by doing this I don't get the fine or points but the course costs 95 saving me a fiver and I'm going to have to endure 4 hrs of boredom.

Surely these should be compulsory to those who have excessively broke the limit and be fined aloe is it just another way to make bloody money for the gov???

"

I had a female ex police early 50s an 5 guys UN room of 18 13 women an most were sexy

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By *mm_n_ZedCouple
over a year ago

Fareham


"I'm having to go on one today for doing 5mph over the limit in a 40 on a dual carriageway!!! If I would of done 10mph over I wouldn't of been giving the option and had 3pts and a 100 fine (my first offence in 20 years btw) but by doing this I don't get the fine or points but the course costs 95 saving me a fiver and I'm going to have to endure 4 hrs of boredom.

Surely these should be compulsory to those who have excessively broke the limit and be fined aloe is it just another way to make bloody money for the gov???

I had a female ex police early 50s an 5 guys UN room of 18 13 women an most were sexy "

WTF?

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

"A lot of the speed limits in this country were set when braking performance, handling and safety of cars was far inferior to now so I can't believe they are anything other than fairly arbitrary in most cases."

Very true.

Jeremy Clarkson managed to stop in the distance it says for the stopping distance at 70mph..... and he was doing 140mph!

Admittedly he was using a sporty merc with super-duper brakes, but the point he was making is the same.

Modern cars with ABS, disc brakes, new materials, better tyres etc, will stop shorter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was caught by a mobile speed van doing 85mph on a 70 road (a long straight road that was empty both ways as far as the eye could see I didnt even realise I was going so fast!)

Anyways im guessing I wont be offered the course and will just be slapped with 6 points if im lucky??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was caught by a mobile speed van doing 85mph on a 70 road (a long straight road that was empty both ways as far as the eye could see I didnt even realise I was going so fast!)

Anyways im guessing I wont be offered the course and will just be slapped with 6 points if im lucky??"

A 60 road I meant!

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"I was caught by a mobile speed van doing 85mph on a 70 road (a long straight road that was empty both ways as far as the eye could see I didnt even realise I was going so fast!)

Anyways im guessing I wont be offered the course and will just be slapped with 6 points if im lucky??

A 60 road I meant!"

Were you stopped by the police at the time or have you received a NIP?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was caught by a mobile speed van doing 85mph on a 70 road (a long straight road that was empty both ways as far as the eye could see I didnt even realise I was going so fast!)

Anyways im guessing I wont be offered the course and will just be slapped with 6 points if im lucky??

A 60 road I meant!

Were you stopped by the police at the time or have you received a NIP?"

I wasn't stopped and I still havent recieved anything through the post and its been over a month. My friend was caught in the exact same place and they didnt recieve a letter for 3 months!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm having to go on one today for doing 5mph over the limit in a 40 on a dual carriageway!!! If I would of done 10mph over I wouldn't of been giving the option and had 3pts and a 100 fine (my first offence in 20 years btw) but by doing this I don't get the fine or points but the course costs 95 saving me a fiver and I'm going to have to endure 4 hrs of boredom.

Surely these should be compulsory to those who have excessively broke the limit and be fined aloe is it just another way to make bloody money for the gov???

"

Don't knock it. Go along to the course with an open mind. I actually found it quite informative and interesting. After all, you are paying for this course. Try and get something out of it. I have been driving for over thirty years, and consider myself as an above average skilled driver, but I attended one last year. I learnt a few things and found it quite interesting.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"I was caught by a mobile speed van doing 85mph on a 70 road (a long straight road that was empty both ways as far as the eye could see I didnt even realise I was going so fast!)

Anyways im guessing I wont be offered the course and will just be slapped with 6 points if im lucky??

A 60 road I meant!

Were you stopped by the police at the time or have you received a NIP?

I wasn't stopped and I still havent recieved anything through the post and its been over a month. My friend was caught in the exact same place and they didnt recieve a letter for 3 months!"

Unless the rules have changed, a NIP must be sent within 2 weeks of the offence. Note - sent not necessarily received.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Did one 2 years ago and I have never been so bloody bored in all my life .

Spent half of it on fab arranging a meet and was told if I was caught on my phone again I would be ejected !

"

Good.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was caught by a mobile speed van doing 85mph on a 70 road (a long straight road that was empty both ways as far as the eye could see I didnt even realise I was going so fast!)

Anyways im guessing I wont be offered the course and will just be slapped with 6 points if im lucky??

A 60 road I meant!

Were you stopped by the police at the time or have you received a NIP?

I wasn't stopped and I still havent recieved anything through the post and its been over a month. My friend was caught in the exact same place and they didnt recieve a letter for 3 months!

Unless the rules have changed, a NIP must be sent within 2 weeks of the offence. Note - sent not necessarily received. "

Really? That's interesting, il have to ask my mate what the date on his letter was and see if it was just a delay in the post, 3 months is abit long to wait but it is Devon and Cornwall police were dealing with here so wouldnt be surprised

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"I was caught by a mobile speed van doing 85mph on a 70 road (a long straight road that was empty both ways as far as the eye could see I didnt even realise I was going so fast!)

Anyways im guessing I wont be offered the course and will just be slapped with 6 points if im lucky??

A 60 road I meant!

Were you stopped by the police at the time or have you received a NIP?

I wasn't stopped and I still havent recieved anything through the post and its been over a month. My friend was caught in the exact same place and they didnt recieve a letter for 3 months!

Unless the rules have changed, a NIP must be sent within 2 weeks of the offence. Note - sent not necessarily received.

Really? That's interesting, il have to ask my mate what the date on his letter was and see if it was just a delay in the post, 3 months is abit long to wait but it is Devon and Cornwall police were dealing with here so wouldnt be surprised "

If it's not sent within 2 weeks it isn't valid and you can tell them to sod off. There are a few exceptions so Google for more full advice. There's loads of info out there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was caught by a mobile speed van doing 85mph on a 70 road (a long straight road that was empty both ways as far as the eye could see I didnt even realise I was going so fast!)

Anyways im guessing I wont be offered the course and will just be slapped with 6 points if im lucky??

A 60 road I meant!

Were you stopped by the police at the time or have you received a NIP?

I wasn't stopped and I still havent recieved anything through the post and its been over a month. My friend was caught in the exact same place and they didnt recieve a letter for 3 months!"

The police should serve the NIP within 14 days this may be extended if they cannot find you easily through the DVLA.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thanks for the advice, im gonna google this! The dvla have my correct address so not sure why it takes so long, or (if im very very lucky) I wasnt clocked perhaps!

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By *ngieandMrManCouple
over a year ago

hereford

It would seem that most of the posters in this thread could do with going on the speed awareness course.

Velocity... 30mph = 44 feet per SECOND, 33mph = 48.4fps, an increase of 4.4 feet. If when that damn kid steps out unexpected, in the time it would take you to say “oh shit, a damn kid has stepped out in front of me” that extra 3mph has shot you another 17 feet or so, further than you would have travelled if at 30mph. It’s a fact of physics, the higher the velocity the less time to an impending impact and upon impact much higher impact energies will be absorbed by the objects in collision. The difference between 30mph and 33mph = a 10% increase in velocity but its impact force will increase by more than 20%.

@ 30mph it will take you 10 minutes to move 5 miles.

@ 33mph it will take you 9.09 minutes to move 5 miles.

So, by travelling @ 33mph instead of 30mph for that 5 miles, you’ll save 54.5 seconds of your life while quite dramatically increasing the risk of taking the life of someone else.

The classic... “I was only doing 33mph in a 30mph BUT... it was quiet and no one was about” is a ridiculous thing to say as a defence because it’s when you ‘think’ it’s safe that accidents occur!

Some alternatives...

NO speed limit, let everyone make their own judgment on what is a safe speed.

Have speed limits but allow people who know better to ignore them.

Have speed limits and try and enforce them on people who ‘think’ they know better.

If a driver thinks they are so much better than most, such that the speed limits should not apply to them, then they shouldn’t have any difficulty, considering their superior driving skills, they shouldn’t have any difficulty keeping inside the speed limits.

I’m certainly not in favour of speed cameras being placed where they will make money rather than where they are needed on grounds of safety but if you don’t see that camera box at the side of the road, or the big white van with the oversized tinted window in the back door, are you really skilled enough to be exceeding the speed limit?

Now I'm off to design an interface that connects your sat-nav to your vehicles cruise/speed-limiter control

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By *awty bi coupleCouple
over a year ago

Wet Walsall


"Yes, we miscreants should learn from the good citizens on here who never, ever go a single mph over the limit "

Nah, they're the ones who do it all the time but never get caught

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By *octor DeleriumMan
over a year ago

Wellingborough

Purchase a Valentine One radar detector; it will only signal active cameras, lasers, mobile traps.

The manufacture has a very interesting history.

Magnesium alloy construction, 360 degree coverage, will detect and indicate the number and location of the radar/laser sources are (up to nine at a time; front, side, rear), shows the type of radar/microwave in use.

It does not react to GATSOs, TRUVLOs etc. that are inactive.

If it's stolen Valentine will not upgrade or service the unit, if it is returned to them.

The range is approximately 3 miles; not cheap but zero points on my licence.

Very highly recommended; I know two other people in the UK with this device; me (I have two) and a Bentley driver, who works for me.

Doctor Nasty

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By *octor DeleriumMan
over a year ago

Wellingborough

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By *octor DeleriumMan
over a year ago

Wellingborough

You have to receive notification within 14 days or it becomes, legally, invalid.

Doctor Nasty

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By *inkypervertMan
over a year ago

Durham


"I'm having to go on one today for doing 5mph over the limit in a 40 on a dual carriageway!!! If I would of done 10mph over I wouldn't of been giving the option and had 3pts and a 100 fine (my first offence in 20 years btw) but by doing this I don't get the fine or points but the course costs 95 saving me a fiver and I'm going to have to endure 4 hrs of boredom.

Surely these should be compulsory to those who have excessively broke the limit and be fined aloe is it just another way to make bloody money for the gov???

"

You will learn on this course that excessive speed is a cause of 8% accidents only.

I sincerely believe that actual number is even lower...

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By *octor DeleriumMan
over a year ago

Wellingborough


"It would seem that most of the posters in this thread could do with going on the speed awareness course.

Velocity... 30mph = 44 feet per SECOND, 33mph = 48.4fps, an increase of 4.4 feet. If when that damn kid steps out unexpected, in the time it would take you to say “oh shit, a damn kid has stepped out in front of me” that extra 3mph has shot you another 17 feet or so, further than you would have travelled if at 30mph. It’s a fact of physics, the higher the velocity the less time to an impending impact and upon impact much higher impact energies will be absorbed by the objects in collision. The difference between 30mph and 33mph = a 10% increase in velocity but its impact force will increase by more than 20%.

@ 30mph it will take you 10 minutes to move 5 miles.

@ 33mph it will take you 9.09 minutes to move 5 miles.

So, by travelling @ 33mph instead of 30mph for that 5 miles, you’ll save 54.5 seconds of your life while quite dramatically increasing the risk of taking the life of someone else.

The classic... “I was only doing 33mph in a 30mph BUT... it was quiet and no one was about” is a ridiculous thing to say as a defence because it’s when you ‘think’ it’s safe that accidents occur!

Some alternatives...

NO speed limit, let everyone make their own judgment on what is a safe speed.

Have speed limits but allow people who know better to ignore them.

Have speed limits and try and enforce them on people who ‘think’ they know better.

If a driver thinks they are so much better than most, such that the speed limits should not apply to them, then they shouldn’t have any difficulty, considering their superior driving skills, they shouldn’t have any difficulty keeping inside the speed limits.

I’m certainly not in favour of speed cameras being placed where they will make money rather than where they are needed on grounds of safety but if you don’t see that camera box at the side of the road, or the big white van with the oversized tinted window in the back door, are you really skilled enough to be exceeding the speed limit?

Now I'm off to design an interface that connects your sat-nav to your vehicles cruise/speed-limiter control

"

Agreed; I regularly drive abroad.

At 100 mph you are looking at traffic 0.5 miles ahead and at 150+mph, a mile ahead.

You have to anticipate that other drivers will not check their mirrors or indicate before changing lanes.

High speed driving is not suitable in traffic.

Remember; mirror, signal and manoeuvre.

No points and no accidents; in 30 years of high speed driving.

Doctor Nasty

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By *octor DeleriumMan
over a year ago

Wellingborough


"I'm having to go on one today for doing 5mph over the limit in a 40 on a dual carriageway!!! If I would of done 10mph over I wouldn't of been giving the option and had 3pts and a 100 fine (my first offence in 20 years btw) but by doing this I don't get the fine or points but the course costs 95 saving me a fiver and I'm going to have to endure 4 hrs of boredom.

Surely these should be compulsory to those who have excessively broke the limit and be fined aloe is it just another way to make bloody money for the gov???

You will learn on this course that excessive speed is a cause of 8% accidents only.

I sincerely believe that actual number is even lower... "

ROSPA published this 15 July 2013:

On August 17th 1896, Bridget Driscoll was knocked down and killed by a car in London. The first fatal road accident in Britain, involving the driver and passengers of a motor car, occurred on 23 February 1899. While attempting to turn a corner at over 25mph the car's wheels collapsed. The occupants were thrown out and the driver and front seat passenger killed. Newspapers hoped that this terrible accident would convince drivers to take greater care and keep their speed down.

Today, Great Britain has one of the best road safety records in Europe and the world. Despite massive increases in traffic over the last few decades, the number of people killed on our roads has fallen from around 5,500 per year in the mid 1980s to 1,754 in 2012. However, this still means that around five people die on Britain's roads every day.

Sadly, driver error remains the most common cause of road accidents.

Speeding

Around 400 people a year are killed in crashes in which someone exceeds the speed limit or drives too fast for the conditions.

Drink Driving

Around 280 people die a year in crashes in which someone was over the legal drink drive limit.

Seat Belt Wearing

Around 300 lives each year could be saved if everyone always wore their seat belt.

Careless Driving

Around 300 deaths a year involve someone being "careless, reckless or in a hurry", and a further 125 involve "aggressive driving".

At-work

Around one third of fatal and serious road crashes involve someone who was at work.

Inexperience

More than 400 people are killed in crashes involving young car drivers aged 17 to 24 years, every year, including over 150 young drivers, 90 passengers and more than 170 other road users.

Failed to Look Properly

40% of road crashes involve someone who 'failed to look properly'.

Loss of Control

One third of fatal crashes involved 'loss of control' of a vehicle.

Failed to Judge Other Person's Path/Speed

One in five crashes involve a road user failing to judge another person's path or speed.

Doctor Nasty

The Truth is Out There

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When it comes down to it speed limits exist, every driver knows this, whether they like it or not.

The decision of staying within the limit or speeding is up to the individual but when you get caught tough, take your medicine and stop whining like a little girl.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"When it comes down to it speed limits exist, every driver knows this, whether they like it or not.

The decision of staying within the limit or speeding is up to the individual but when you get caught tough, take your medicine and stop whining like a little girl.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was dreading it but the course I went on was actually really good. "

Yours was rather different form the one I did then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You have to receive notification within 14 days or it becomes, legally, invalid.

Doctor Nasty"

Please, please tell me more. PM me if you want. This isn't an attempt to get PMs of someone who doesn't I had a 'notice of intended prosecution' come in the post a few days from when I was snapped in August. What so I do to contest it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was dreading it but the course I went on was actually really good.

Yours was rather different form the one I did then "

I learnt a lot, its 30 yrs since I did my test and haven't looked at highway code since, should be compulsory every 10 yrs.

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By *U1966Man
over a year ago

Devon

Rather they cracked down on people who drive through red lights and boy racers with dangerously modified cars that race around the streets at night

Driving is supposed to be enjoyable its surely more dangerous to drive round staring at your speedometer constantly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The course is actually quite enjoyable. It's not too preachy etc. and it's quite good fun.

Let's face it guys, for everyone who's saying "I was only doing x above the speed limit on an empty road" etc. , you broke the law and were caught. I was caught, accepted it, did the course and learned something new and I think it's made me a better driver. Certainly a bit more observant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having already been on a speed awareness course my theory is that ALL drivers should go on it! Most of the people on my course didn't know the basic laws of the road like speed limits etc. Prevention is always better than cure !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I got sent on one I would nod in the right places and get it done but wouldn't make me a better driver.. as if I got caught it was down to bad luck.. I'd try not to argue why the current speedb limits for major roads were too low or that residential streets to high..

But I'm well aware of speed... Well aware that sometimes although it says 70.. maybe it's not a good idea to do so due to conditions... Other times I feel okay going faster.

It certainly wouldnt change my driving habits... But then I think one of the best educations for driving is to ride a motorbike.. as you have to be so much more observant

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