FabSwingers.com forum: Dog Attacks

By *B9 Queen OP Woman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Another child has been killed after being attacked by a dog - in Leicestershire. I am sure I read, fairly recently, that dog attacks, particularly on children, are on the rise. And this is since the Dangerous Dogs Act.

Now, I don't necessarily believe that these are all 'bad' dogs, though some may well be more aggressive or territorial. Dogs have different personalities just as people do.

But that has always been the case so what could account for such an appalling rise?

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

Stupid owners.

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By *B9 Queen OP Woman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Is it always though?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No prizes for guessing what type it will be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Stupid owners."

A lot of people don't have proper control over their dogs, because they haven't trained them correctly.

A certain percentage train their dogs to be nasty.

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By *B9 Queen OP Woman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"No prizes for guessing what type it will be."

The report I read did not say - just that it was the family pet.

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By *hevkevMan
over a year ago

Bradford

It's not the dogs to blame it's their owners ,I had a pit bull , saw my two youngest through their babyhood and looked after them , they pulled him all over ,I fully trust him

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"No prizes for guessing what type it will be.

The report I read did not say - just that it was the family pet. "

We can't assume its a Rottie, Staffie, or Dobermann. The last but one time it happened it was a Jack Russell.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dogs are like children in that they will act as they are raised, and with how many parents today can't be bothered to teach their children basic good manners it's not surprising they don't spend time training and nurturing a dog

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dogs should never be trusted, even being domesticated they are still like their ancestors.

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By *B9 Queen OP Woman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"It's not the dogs to blame it's their owners ,I had a pit bull , saw my two youngest through their babyhood and looked after them , they pulled him all over ,I fully trust him "

I had a Staffie - softest thing ever. Loved to play with kids - BUT I never, ever left him alone with children. Children and dogs together are an unpredictable combination.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Dogs are like children in that they will act as they are raised, and with how many parents today can't be bothered to teach their children basic good manners it's not surprising they don't spend time training and nurturing a dog

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Licensing and public liability insurance assessed on breed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Licensing and public liability insurance assessed on breed."

Discounts for proof of training.

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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago

Retirement Village

"Stupid owners.

A lot of people don't have proper control over their dogs, because they haven't trained them correctly.

A certain percentage train their dogs to be nasty. "

This is what i believe too. Its unfortunate but the control & behaviour of a dog is a reflection of the owner

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By *B9 Queen OP Woman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

I think it is perhaps too quick and easy to blame bad owners - not all dog attacks happen because of this.

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By *hevkevMan
over a year ago

Bradford

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Dogs should never be trusted, even being domesticated they are still like their ancestors."

Is that the same with men

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By *hevkevMan
over a year ago

Bradford

To the one above the above

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Licensing and public liability insurance assessed on breed."

And not what you read in the papers.

My Staffie doesn't know he is a Staffie, he's not that clever...

He has lived with children and cats and is well trained.

Surely liability should apply to training not breed.

I've been bitten by quite a few dogs (hard paper round) mostly small yappy dogs like Jach Russell's and chiwawa type things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it is perhaps too quick and easy to blame bad owners - not all dog attacks happen because of this.

Maybe not all, but I think the vast majority are. The few that aren't as a result of poor care/training I would imagine are down to a dog being provoked in some way. My neighbours dog was put down for biting, but he had warned the boy by baring his teeth but the boy carried on pulling his ears and tail thinking it was funny...the boy did say this after the event but by that time it was too late

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By *cottishsexgoddessWoman
over a year ago

Glenrothes

A recent programme on dogs highlighted that on average there were more children bitten by labs than other dogs. However, because of the way the big dogs, such as Rotties, Staffies, pitbulls etc attack, going for the face and neck, they come to the fore more. Doesn't excuse what happens and no child should be put at risk by any dog, but it shows that the power of the media can cause bigger issues than the dogs themselves. I have a 1 year old Rottie, who is a big softy, but any time I see families out walking, people with other dogs etc, he is immediately put on his canny collar and introduced, where allowed, before getting to play, if at all. It isn't nice seeing people look at him warily, or cross the street to avoid him, but I totally understand why. I just wish everyone would do that with their dogs. Not the first time I've had a small dog run up and bark at me, snapping at my heels. There is no such thing as a bad dog, but definitely bad, irresponsible owners. Just a little thought by owners could avoid a lot of attacks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

police shot the dog ,,agree with wots been sed ,,,stronger laws ,u have 2 pass a test 4 driving cars ,bikes n other transport y not have test 4 dogs ,,n regular updated spot checks ,spey all them all ,,,,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was bitten by a dog when I was 10. From that incident have always been a bit wary when near dogs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is a small yappy dog going to kill a child?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

hate it when people blame the breed of the dog rather than how its been raised ....every dog can cause severe injuries on a person ...8 times out of 10 it how the dog been treat or trained to be

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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago

Retirement Village

"I think it is perhaps too quick and easy to blame bad owners - not all dog attacks happen because of this.

It's not bad owners, it's owners!! Even responsible owners can show lapses in judgement by leaving their 'trained' dog unattended with children.

Sometimes we forget that dogs are animals and an animal can react in varying ways to any situation

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By *RYBBWCouple
over a year ago

Leeds.

"No prizes for guessing what type it will be.

The report I read did not say - just that it was the family pet.

We can't assume its a Rottie, Staffie, or Dobermann. The last but one time it happened it was a Jack Russell."

We have a king doberman. Nine years old and has never so much as growled at anyone adult or child. Our cat Moggy beats the crap out of him regularly. But being a very big dog Mitch is certainly looked on with suspicion when one of us is out walking him. But we've brought him up well with plenty of love and attention.

The same dog can of course be completely the opposite. A bad owner will raise a bad dog. Or intentionally inbed aggression into them because it looks good with a snarling creature on the end of a leash.

We have a friend who lives in a certain area of Leeds which is looked upon as being "rough". When we visit we often see the druggies waiting for the local dealer to turn up complaining he's late. Each of them has a staffy which is out of control and snapping at passers by. The druggies, being as stupid as they are, find this amusing. We often comment that it won't be long before one of the dogs gets hold of a passing child.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Is a small yappy dog going to kill a child?"

Quite possibly.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

There's no reason why a dog's behaviour should be any more predictable than a human's and we all know some humans can 'flip' at any time for any reason.

Save for guide dogs etc and working farm dogs, I see no reason why anyone needs dogs, especially in a town or city in a small house or flat.

How many more children have to die?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are no official figures compiled in the uk for dog attacks. It is therefore impossible to accurately gauge what dog bites the most in the uk.

Labs will be amongst the top because of the shear numbers of labs around.

A small dog can do damage to a small child, they still have powerful jaws.

From my experience Staffies are much maligned. They are one of the few breeds recommended by the kennel club as dogs suitable to be kept as pets.

RSPCA chief vet Mark Evans said: "Staffies have had a terrible press, but this is not of their own making - in fact they're wonderful dogs. If people think that Staffies have problems, they're looking at the wrong end of the dog lead! When well cared for and properly trained they can make brilliant companions. Our experience suggests that problems occur when bad owners exploit the Staffie's desire to please by training them to show aggression."

If you have never kept a dog, or known someone with a certain breed of dog how are you able to judge accurately whether dogs of a certain breed are dangerous. You are judging by what you read in the papers which judging by most of the tabloid press in this country isn't a good place to start, unless you want a missing/murdered child's phone tapped that is.

When it was required to have a dog license all you had to do was go to a post office and buy one. There were no checks etc it was basically a tax on dog ownership.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There's no reason why a dog's behaviour should be any more predictable than a human's and we all know some humans can 'flip' at any time for any reason.

Save for guide dogs etc and working farm dogs, I see no reason why anyone needs dogs, especially in a town or city in a small house or flat.

How many more children have to die?"

Let's ban cars too, I mean do we really need them we've got legs after all??? How many children's lives could be saved if we just didn't keep cars anymore, loads of children die every year because we continue not to use our legs and keep driving cars. Ban em and ban em now.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"There's no reason why a dog's behaviour should be any more predictable than a human's and we all know some humans can 'flip' at any time for any reason.

Save for guide dogs etc and working farm dogs, I see no reason why anyone needs dogs, especially in a town or city in a small house or flat.

How many more children have to die?"

one dead child is one too many, whatever the reasons or cause..

dogs provide companionship, assistance and the majority don't attack or bit humans..

bit like saying in an urban area with a public transport system no one is allowed to own a car due to accidents and emissions..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

got a lab/staf cross and shes one of the most calm n chilled out dogs ive know .....do i trust her 100% no because i know its only takes one small thing for her turn as with any dog...but she a big part of my and the kids family x

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"There's no reason why a dog's behaviour should be any more predictable than a human's and we all know some humans can 'flip' at any time for any reason.

Save for guide dogs etc and working farm dogs, I see no reason why anyone needs dogs, especially in a town or city in a small house or flat.

How many more children have to die?

one dead child is one too many, whatever the reasons or cause..

dogs provide companionship, assistance and the majority don't attack or bit humans..

bit like saying in an urban area with a public transport system no one is allowed to own a car due to accidents and emissions.. "

No, it's not like that at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are some breeds of dogs that I don't feel comfortable around,and it always worries me seeing them around small children.I just don't think its worth the risk to have these types of dog in the home.And when out people need to keep them on a lead and be held responsible for there actions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's not the dogs to blame it's their owners ,I had a pit bull , saw my two youngest through their babyhood and looked after them , they pulled him all over ,I fully trust him

I had a Staffie - softest thing ever. Loved to play with kids - BUT I never, ever left him alone with children. Children and dogs together are an unpredictable combination."

Our dog was lovely but I never trusted him alone with the kids. You just never know. It's not worth the risk.

Even a small dog could do a lot of damage to a tiny baby.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is no such thing as a bad dog, just bad and ignorant owners,

before anyone gets a dog they should attend a course for responsible dog ownership,

to drive a car you need a license, to own an animal you should need a license.

I have helped run a local dog club for 20 years, peoples ignorance is the cause of all problems associated with dogs. yes accidents will and do happen, but 99% can be prevented.

I would never leave children and animals alone together. without adult supervision.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's not the dogs to blame it's their owners ,I had a pit bull , saw my two youngest through their babyhood and looked after them , they pulled him all over ,I fully trust him "

you should never allow animals and children to be unsupervised, its an accident waiting to happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A recent programme on dogs highlighted that on average there were more children bitten by labs than other dogs. However, because of the way the big dogs, such as Rotties, Staffies, pitbulls etc attack, going for the face and neck, they come to the fore more. Doesn't excuse what happens and no child should be put at risk by any dog, but it shows that the power of the media can cause bigger issues than the dogs themselves. I have a 1 year old Rottie, who is a big softy, but any time I see families out walking, people with other dogs etc, he is immediately put on his canny collar and introduced, where allowed, before getting to play, if at all. It isn't nice seeing people look at him warily, or cross the street to avoid him, but I totally understand why. I just wish everyone would do that with their dogs. Not the first time I've had a small dog run up and bark at me, snapping at my heels. There is no such thing as a bad dog, but definitely bad, irresponsible owners. Just a little thought by owners could avoid a lot of attacks."

its a numbers game, there are more labs than any other breed.

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By *arveygirthycockMan
over a year ago

town

"It's not the dogs to blame it's their owners ,I had a pit bull , saw my two youngest through their babyhood and looked after them , they pulled him all over ,I fully trust him

I had a Staffie - softest thing ever. Loved to play with kids - BUT I never, ever left him alone with children. Children and dogs together are an unpredictable combination."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is a small yappy dog going to kill a child?"

a small dog can cause pain and suffering, just as much as a big dog, depending on many things including the size of the child, and where it attacks, small yappy dogs have been bred to kill, rabbits, badgers, foxes etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There's no reason why a dog's behaviour should be any more predictable than a human's and we all know some humans can 'flip' at any time for any reason.

Save for guide dogs etc and working farm dogs, I see no reason why anyone needs dogs, especially in a town or city in a small house or flat.

How many more children have to die?"

no one needs sex, how many more people will die of HIV aids, before sex is banned, its like saying sex should just be for reproduction!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's not the dogs to blame it's their owners ,I had a pit bull , saw my two youngest through their babyhood and looked after them , they pulled him all over ,I fully trust him

I had a Staffie - softest thing ever. Loved to play with kids - BUT I never, ever left him alone with children. Children and dogs together are an unpredictable combination.

Our dog was lovely but I never trusted him alone with the kids. You just never know. It's not worth the risk.

Even a small dog could do a lot of damage to a tiny baby."

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

my sister has a staffie and she is as soft as arseholes. from the day they bought my niece home she knew not to jump up when anyone was holding her. in fact she has never jumped up at any of the kids. they are never left alone together and although the kids get in her face she doesnt batt an eyelid.

my mum has a bischon/schitzu cross that doesnt obey commands, jumps up at the kids, barks all the time and runs off if the door is open.

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By *arveygirthycockMan
over a year ago

town

It's not as open and shut as blaming the owners.

Please do not get me wrong either, I do not blame the dogs either.

I think people/councils/government need to start looking at the breeders. There are good breeders out there, but I fear they are now being 'outbred' by the bad guys. These unscrupulous breeders will mate anything and everything for profit. They do not care. They don't care if they are breeding off dogs with disease, bad tempers... Etc etc. all they see us pound notes. There is no screening no checks, nothing, just get um mated them get um out the door for pounds. These people don't care if the puppies are healthy socialised or even of 'type'.

This does need looked into, breeders and owners.

I have 2 dogs, same breed, different breeders. 1 is as of type. Pick a book up and read about how it should look and how it reacts how its temperament should be and this dog is exactly what it should be. I train both my dogs exactly the same. And train them I do. Everyday for years. Yet.. The second dog is unworkable. Won't be trained. Is unpredictable, is not trusted. Nothing like the first dog, a year apart, same breed, different breeders.. You cannot just blame the owners. I class myself experienced in handling dogs..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

its terible, not only children but other dogs are being killed by other dogs, a lot of people neglect their dogs, dont take them to a vet so they could be in pain, that would make them vicious, not feeding them properly.

i know someone who have 3 big dogs, i havnt seen her take them for proper walks, two of them are vicious, if they got hold of my dog they would kill her.

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By *arveygirthycockMan
over a year ago

town

Ps terrible news today. Thoughts with family

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"its terible, not only children but other dogs are being killed by other dogs, a lot of people neglect their dogs, dont take them to a vet so they could be in pain, that would make them vicious, not feeding them properly.

i know someone who have 3 big dogs, i havnt seen her take them for proper walks, two of them are vicious, if they got hold of my dog they would kill her.

maybe that's why she doesn't take them out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's not as open and shut as blaming the owners.

Please do not get me wrong either, I do not blame the dogs either.

This does need looked into, breeders and owners.

Of course you must blame the owners,

Breeders good or bad, will only be able to make money if people buy their dogs, and become the owner.

If anyone is considering owning a dog, select a breeder who is experienced, registered with the local council and the kennel club, then you have some idea of the quality of the breeder,

Always always, see the mother and father of the puppy, in their home environment.

A puppy from a reputable breeder will usually cost more,

Its a bit like meeting people for sex on this site, do your home work and you will have more fun, don't do your homework and you may get hurt or worse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No prizes for guessing what type it will be.

The report I read did not say - just that it was the family pet.

We can't assume its a Rottie, Staffie, or Dobermann. The last but one time it happened it was a Jack Russell."

The jack russel was jealous of the baby, which is understandable, same as a child would be jealous of a new baby.

its not fair to give the dog less attention when there is a new baby.

i would never leave a child alone with any dog. I remember once hearing about a sausage dog killing a baby, i used to have a sausage dog and she was very gentle, still wouldnt leave her with a child though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No prizes for guessing what type it will be.

The report I read did not say - just that it was the family pet.

We can't assume its a Rottie, Staffie, or Dobermann. The last but one time it happened it was a Jack Russell.

The jack russel was jealous of the baby, which is understandable, same as a child would be jealous of a new baby.

its not fair to give the dog less attention when there is a new baby.

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By *arveygirthycockMan
over a year ago

town

"It's not as open and shut as blaming the owners.

Please do not get me wrong either, I do not blame the dogs either.

This does need looked into, breeders and owners.

Of course you must blame the owners,

Breeders good or bad, will only be able to make money if people buy their dogs, and become the owner.

If anyone is considering owning a dog, select a breeder who is experienced, registered with the local council and the kennel club, then you have some idea of the quality of the breeder,

Always always, see the mother and father of the puppy, in their home environment.

A puppy from a reputable breeder will usually cost more,

Its a bit like meeting people for sex on this site, do your home work and you will have more fun, don't do your homework and you may get hurt or worse."

Agree 100% with what you say.

Maybe I came across wrong. Yes most of the time the owners are to blame. Oh there is some scum out there who should not be let near anything, let alone dogs.. However I stand by what I said. Many breeders are also to blame.

Terrible shocking news.

sad

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All dogs are descended from wild animals so if you trust them with people, that's your own choice but your own responsibility, also - regardless of how you treated it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All dogs are descended from wild animals so if you trust them with people, that's your own choice but your own responsibility, also - regardless of how you treated it!"

we are all animals!

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By *B9 Queen OP Woman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

A lot of people are talking about dogs outside attacking people. A lot of the recent cases I have read have happened indoors - often the family pet, or the animal was known to the person attacked.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Speak for yourself

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By *B9 Queen OP Woman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Speak for yourself "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Speak for yourself

??"

I think he was talking to the animal, not you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Speak for yourself

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lol -'whoopz'- one before!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Told you!

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Stupid owners."
I'm afraid not.

Many "gangsters" and "gangsta wannabe's" buy aggressive dogs and then deliberately make the vicious. After all they are better than guns, all the little s***s have to do is let them off the lead and the dog does the rest. The police can do very little about it and if someone is injured or killed the penalties are minor compared to those for carrying an offensive weapon, malicious wounding or murder.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've been attacked by dogs before but they only had two legs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Men don't need training I always shut on the carpet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Stupid owners."

This is so true

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

sum of the vicious types of dogs r being imported from ,Germany -Romania Bulgaria ,,,by the van loads ,,,sum of them r cumming over with the parvo virus wich is at a all time high ,,,,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Same thing every time.

My Staffy/rottie etc is a soft as anything.

Fact is certain breed are prone to attacking.

When the do it is more likely to be serious.

A j Russell is never going to cause the damage a big dog will cause.

Dogs like that have earnt the bad rep for a reason.

We need german type stricter dog control.

Its always Staffies that try and attack my dog.luckily the fat little things can't get anywhere near her.

Sure people will say I'm talking shit,but I'm not.

All dogs can be dangerous,some breeds more so than other.

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By *yphoon1Man
over a year ago

It was a mastiff according to the newspapers this morning. Wasnt on the dangerous dogs act prohibited breed list but it is a massive dog next to the 4 year old girl. Mother had only had it a month. Stabbed it to death to try and save her daughter. Words fail all round.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Best me to it,just googled it and saw a pic of the thing,thought it was a mastif.

I have a 3 year old and a dog.If she showed any aggression she would be taken straight around my friends farm and shot.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Chavs breeding faster than everyone else and there being more improperly cared for "status breeds" about.

Maybe.

I have no statistics to back that up and it's based on my prejudice against chavs and scum.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Best me to it,just googled it and saw a pic of the thing,thought it was a mastif.

I have a 3 year old and a dog.If she showed any aggression she would be taken straight around my friends farm and shot."

Not the best way to deal with an aggressive child, but hey, we are all different

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its the only way to stop a sugar deprived 3 year old

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By *atelotmanMan
over a year ago

Chatham

I was bitten by a dog when I was 12yr ended up with nearly a 100 stitches to my face,the dog was my own pet. I never blame him for biting me.Kim was a fully trained border collie who like humans didn't like being teased an would growl to tell you leave me alone.One day my brothers friends when to far with the teasing an Kim snapped I copped the bite.So please don't judge the dog without knowing the full story

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By *uncpl2015Couple
over a year ago

Bridgend Area

It was so they say a dog that came from a rescue centre. Well not much of a rescue centre to allow a dog such as that to go to a family with a young child in a flat. And parents should have known better. Fireworks could well have been winding it up etc who knows. But the rescue centre should be brought to task over it.. If all breeds such as this esspecially were only handled by breed rescue centres who know the breed very well indeed the the dog would have never been allowed to go to the flat. Where it has been said dogs were not allowed on that particular estate anyway. Very sad for the little girl, but have to say not the dogs fault really poor thing should have only been home (having heard what some have said about its past and the scars it had) to adults who were experienced in the breed with the space and knowledge to care for it properly. Can't help wonder why the parent wanted such a dog in a flat with a young child. Yes i am a dog person (show) with large breed and a small breed, but our kids have been taught how to act around the dogs and they are fantastic around them but still not left alone with them as you never know for certain. Infact our large breed was so much more trustworthy than the smaller breed but the only problem with dogs (bar the odd rogue) is the people, in this case the rehoming centre and the parents for agreeing to take the dog. And the dog and the girl paid the price for some very uneducated and completely lacking common sense decisions. Rescue centre involved should be closed for allowing this situation to come about. I would never allow one of my smaller dogs to go to home such as that as its not suitable and no way suitable for one of those beautiful dogs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No such thing as a bad Dog? Absolute rubbish,

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

The issue is that responsible owners are always going to everything that the law requires them to do.... The problems is that bad owners are less likely to do that, and all that will happen is that you are going to drive it underground

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The news is now reporting it was a bulldog, bbc has a picture of it. It can take months for a re-homed dog to show it's real character and the rescue centre has in this case it would seem failed in its duty to find a suitable home.

My dog was a rescue, the centre I got him from would not allow any dog to go to any flat, they also stipulated a certain height of fence to be surrounding the garden and did a house visit to ensure suitability. Certain dogs would not be released to families with children of certain ages.

In my opinion very few dogs are bad dogs, if treated humanely and trained correctly, there are always exceptions to the rules though. It is only possible to speculate as to the reasons for this horrific event, it may have been fireworks, the child may have had food, she may have played with it in a manner it was not used to, we don't and probably never will know the exact reasons for the attack. There are millions of dogs in this country and statistically attacks of this nature are thankfully quite rare.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A dog is the same as a child..how its bought up..staffs carry a bad name simply as they are used as weapons..nette

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By *yphoon1Man
over a year ago

Odd. The police are saying its a bulldog and a picture is there on the bbc news website of the presumed bulldog and yet in the metro newspaper theres a picture of a different dog next to I presume the poor girl. Both are correct about stabbing the dog though. Im confused....

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By *B9 Queen OP Woman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Problem with bulldogs is that they lock jaws (unlike other bull breeds who choose not to let go except for a better grip) so perhaps someone stabbed the dog to get it to let go. Not read the update yet as I've only just got in.

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By *wingerdelightCouple
over a year ago

eastliegh

We have a staffie and with people he is as soft as, the most loving and affectionate dog I've had, but with other dogs he can be agrressive so we always take care when walking him. He is great with our daughter but she has grown up with Stafford and knows how to behave around him. But I would never leave himunsupervised with any other child. He is a powpowerful dog so caution is always the best policy.

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By *B9 Queen OP Woman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"We have a staffie and with people he is as soft as, the most loving and affectionate dog I've had, but with other dogs he can be agrressive so we always take care when walking him. He is great with our daughter but she has grown up with Stafford and knows how to behave around him. But I would never leave himunsupervised with any other child. He is a powpowerful dog so caution is always the best policy. "

I would add that no child should be left alone with any dog.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It would seem from the developing story that this was not a bad dog or a bad owner, just bad luck.

All animals are on edge around this time of year from horses to hamsters, when I used to work a riding school we had more incidents from mid October to mid November than any other time of year, even though we only took the pony's out in daytime when few if any fireworks were heard, they were on edge and the slightest thing would spook what for the most part were very docile kids ponys.

Think this one, just has to be sympathy to a tragic accident.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It would seem from the developing story that this was not a bad dog or a bad owner, just bad luck.

Think this one, just has to be sympathy to a tragic accident."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A dog is the same as a child..how its bought up..staffs carry a bad name simply as they are used as weapons..nette"

do they though? I know loads of people who have staffs, they are a very common bread, I don't know a single nasty one, I think the things with staffs is a lot of 'chav' type people have them and stick those stupid big leather harnesses with the big brass buckles on them to make them look hard, but in actual fact they arnt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Stupid owners.

A lot of people don't have proper control over their dogs, because they haven't trained them correctly.

A certain percentage train their dogs to be nasty. "

Agreed, we have two Jack Russells, they don't bark at people that come into the house.....

They also round up our chickens and herd them into their run.

We learnt to think like the dogs, in order to understand them better, mostly our resource was the Dog Whisperer. Anyone with a dog should watch his programmes, we gained loads of useful information.

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By *opsy RogersWoman
over a year ago

London

Forgive me, I've not read all of the thread but the local paper today stated that the dog was a rescue one and had been in the house for a few weeks.

The mother of the child stabbed it to get it off the girl but I'm unsure if she killed it or not. The mother was found in the street by a neighbour 'covered in blood'.

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By *opsy RogersWoman
over a year ago

London

Just seen photos. It was a bulldog that they had rehomed.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

Children need to be taught respect for animals, this fails as some are just not taught respect full stop. I love my dog but would never trust him 100%, anyone that does so, in my opinion is naive.

Dogs are descendants of the Wolf, I never forget that. Rescue dogs are damaged in some way, they need understanding and people should always be aware of issues, and not ignore them.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"It's not the dogs to blame it's their owners ,I had a pit bull , saw my two youngest through their babyhood and looked after them , they pulled him all over ,I fully trust him "

I'm sure that's what the parents of this poor mite thought: personally, it's not a gamble I'd take with my children.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's not the dogs to blame it's their owners ,I had a pit bull , saw my two youngest through their babyhood and looked after them , they pulled him all over ,I fully trust him

I'm sure that's what the parents of this poor mite thought: personally, it's not a gamble I'd take with my children."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's not the dogs to blame it's their owners ,I had a pit bull , saw my two youngest through their babyhood and looked after them , they pulled him all over ,I fully trust him

I'm sure that's what the parents of this poor mite thought: personally, it's not a gamble I'd take with my children."

All dogs can snap for any unknown reason sometimes its no ones fault, and its not a chance id take with my child , dogs and children under my roof would be a no no for me.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"I think it is perhaps too quick and easy to blame bad owners - not all dog attacks happen because of this.

It's not bad owners, it's owners!! Even responsible owners can show lapses in judgement by leaving their 'trained' dog unattended with children.

Sometimes we forget that dogs are animals and an animal can react in varying ways to any situation "

Some people genuinely believe "gentle" Fido would never attack their kiddie, he's one of family, and we all no family members never kill each other.

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By *B9 Queen OP Woman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"I think it is perhaps too quick and easy to blame bad owners - not all dog attacks happen because of this.

It's not bad owners, it's owners!! Even responsible owners can show lapses in judgement by leaving their 'trained' dog unattended with children.

Sometimes we forget that dogs are animals and an animal can react in varying ways to any situation

Some people genuinely believe "gentle" Fido would never attack their kiddie, he's one of family, and we all no family members never kill each other."

People forget that dogs are pack animals not family members. We impose our feelings and thoughts on our pets erroneously.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"It's not the dogs to blame it's their owners ,I had a pit bull , saw my two youngest through their babyhood and looked after them , they pulled him all over ,I fully trust him

I'm sure that's what the parents of this poor mite thought: personally, it's not a gamble I'd take with my children.

All dogs can snap for any unknown reason sometimes its no ones fault, and its not a chance id take with my child , dogs and children under my roof would be a no no for me."

I just don't get why people take the risk.

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By * Busty HotwifeCouple
over a year ago

Bradford

"It's not the dogs to blame it's their owners ,I had a pit bull , saw my two youngest through their babyhood and looked after them , they pulled him all over ,I fully trust him "

Once had a huge Rottweiller I was looking after for a friend. Looked like the hound from hell if people wanted to come to the door however looks and barks are deceiving, he was most likely to cause death by drowning his victim in saliva as he licked them to death!

And the kids used to bounce all over him like a trampoline, all he'd do was move to a quieter part of the house.

Wonderful dog even though allegedly 'dangerous'.

Every dog, like every person, has the propensity for violence, it's all about conditioning.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have, statistically, the most dangerous dog in the world. He's a german Shepherd, and he was abused and raised as a status dog for the first year of his life before I took him on. He's taken a lot of work to get to the point he is now and he's become one of the softest gentlest dogs imaginable. He has a true affinity for children because they are the only strangers that he will trust, grown ups take a bit longer to get his Trust.but saying that I would never ever leave him alone with a child because of his first year of life, not that i get chance to because he won't leave my side an files me everywhere.

Just saying is how the dog is raised that makes it a dangerous dog. Like said earlier the problem is usually at the other end of the lead

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

99.999999999% of the time nothing will go wrong.

The other .000000001, a child will die.

Is it really worth the risk?

PS, I didn't count the 0s.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it is perhaps too quick and easy to blame bad owners - not all dog attacks happen because of this.

It's not bad owners, it's owners!! Even responsible owners can show lapses in judgement by leaving their 'trained' dog unattended with children.

Sometimes we forget that dogs are animals and an animal can react in varying ways to any situation

Some people genuinely believe "gentle" Fido would never attack their kiddie, he's one of family, and we all no family members never kill each other."

And that's how sometimes attacks happen because they let their guard down because fido is a big softy and wouldn't hurt anyone, then boom out of nowhere it happens.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it is perhaps too quick and easy to blame bad owners - not all dog attacks happen because of this.

It's not bad owners, it's owners!! Even responsible owners can show lapses in judgement by leaving their 'trained' dog unattended with children.

Sometimes we forget that dogs are animals and an animal can react in varying ways to any situation

Some people genuinely believe "gentle" Fido would never attack their kiddie, he's one of family, and we all no family members never kill each other.

People forget that dogs are pack animals not family members. We impose our feelings and thoughts on our pets erroneously. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's not the dogs to blame it's their owners ,I had a pit bull , saw my two youngest through their babyhood and looked after them , they pulled him all over ,I fully trust him

I'm sure that's what the parents of this poor mite thought: personally, it's not a gamble I'd take with my children.

All dogs can snap for any unknown reason sometimes its no ones fault, and its not a chance id take with my child , dogs and children under my roof would be a no no for me.

I just don't get why people take the risk."

We are a nation of dog lovers and people love their dogs like members of the family and sadly in some situations it clouds their judgement.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

".....

I just don't get why people take the risk.

We are a nation of dog lovers and people love their dogs like members of the family and sadly in some situations it clouds their judgement."

Some of the ones who make the press seem to value their dogs above their kids.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

".....

I just don't get why people take the risk.

We are a nation of dog lovers and people love their dogs like members of the family and sadly in some situations it clouds their judgement.

Some of the ones who make the press seem to value their dogs above their kids."

True and that's part of the problem

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Some of the ones who make the press seem to value their dogs above their kids."

sadly as with some other folk that will always be the case..

a minority yes, but one dead child by a pet is one too many..

same with some folk who don't have kids strapped in their car or don't have a working smoke alarm..

it wont ever change..

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

".....

I just don't get why people take the risk.

We are a nation of dog lovers and people love their dogs like members of the family and sadly in some situations it clouds their judgement.

Some of the ones who make the press seem to value their dogs above their kids.

True and that's part of the problem"

Someone said on the radio that if you put a chain round your kids neck, took it to the park and let it growl, snap and jump up on strangers, you'd get the jail.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"Stupid owners.I'm afraid not.

*Scratches head, thinks REALLY hard: gives up*...sorry, trying to think how many gangsters or gangsta wannabes dogs have killed anybody.

Now, if you ask me to name the children killed in their suburban homes by gentle, trained Rex...

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By *opsy RogersWoman
over a year ago

London

My then, three year old granddaughter was chatting to me one day, leaning on my knees whilst I sat on the sofa. Next to me was another family member that had come for a visit and underneath his legs was a young Dachshund, asleep.

Out of the blue, my granddaughter threw her body back and screamed. The whole room lept up. The dog narrowly missed me breaking its neck as it took me too long to realise what had happened and I missed what was an instinctive move to protect my young.

The other grandparents, the owner of that very expensive dog, took advice and due to the nature of the attack, the dog was put down and I'm very glad they did. They went on to buy another incredibly expensive dog, only to treat it like a baby again so years later, it is completely untrained, escapes, chews, overeats, jumps, mouths and nips.

I taught that dog to sit in about three minutes but they simply cannot train it because to them, it is a cutie ikkle baby.

My granddaughter had a black and blue leg from where the dog had bitten her, with only her jeans stopping her skin from being broken.

Dogs and children are unpredictable and I won't have them in the same building together.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

she looked like a lovely little girl, she probably wanted her mum to get a dog, i did when i was a kid, my friends had dogs, we used to have a lot of fun taking them for walks in the forest.

i got a minature poodle when my son was six. i think it might put people off getting a dog from a dogs home if they have children now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Big dog, little dog, medium dog ... anyone of them can snap just the same way as a human can. The only thing that hasn't been said in this incident where the child sadly lost her life is this: "what was the child doing to the dog"? Now I know that might sound awful, but kids can be really horrible towards animals and the animals only defence is to bite and when they bite they can go into a frenzy in much the same way as a human can go into a frenzy once he/she starts punching the shit out of someone who has upset him/her. I have an American Bulldog and did have a German Shep who sadly died age 13, but she has been replaced by a rescue Douge de Bordeaux (French Mastiff) and they are both the softest, most stupid dogs in the world and frankly I would trust them both with my life but no way would I trust them to be alone with anyone else (except Mrs Red) - I've no reason to suspect that they'd be a problem but I'm their master, they take commands from me and I simply would not trust them with a stranger and no way on earth would I trust them alone with kids. When kids approach me in the street and say, "Does your dog bite?" - I always say, "Yes". That's not being nasty to the kids, I'm 99.9% sure the dogs won't bite them but I cannot be 100% sure so I let them nowhere near the dogs. In any event one of the dogs is almost 7 stone and the other almost 9, so even if they jumped up at a kid they'd most likely damage them. It's not just the dog to blame here, everyone needs to accept some degree of responsibility or simply accept that on rare occasions, accidents do happen, some of which nobody has any control over.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

A lot of charities lean heavily on Britain's reputation as a nation of animal lovers to raise money to 'save' dogs which might be better put down.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We had our cross German Shepard about 2 years before our son was born, we were a bit worried that he may have git jealous when he was born. How wrong were we, from the 1st day home Ben would sleep next to his crib and then his cot and then in his bed as the bairn got older, although we tried to stop him sleeping on his bed, our son to whisper from up stairs to Ben and if we went up and toms him to get off the bed the bugger would growl at us lol, Ben has since passed away, how sin howeve who is now 23 still has his collet and lead and will never part from it

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over a year ago

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"I think it is perhaps too quick and easy to blame bad owners - not all dog attacks happen because of this.

It's not bad owners, it's owners!! Even responsible owners can show lapses in judgement by leaving their 'trained' dog unattended with children.

Sometimes we forget that dogs are animals and an animal can react in varying ways to any situation

Some people genuinely believe "gentle" Fido would never attack their kiddie, he's one of family, and we all no family members never kill each other.

People forget that dogs are pack animals not family members. We impose our feelings and thoughts on our pets erroneously. "

That's the thing. I don't see dogs as family members but people lose their lives for their "babies", see their pets as family members and blythely leave them with their young children.

My husband got rid of our cat when I became pregnant as he read somewhere something in cat faeces could harm our unborn baby. Hardly likely then to bring a dog into the home.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lots of dog owners like to say how much their dog loves their kids and is a member of the family. How many of the owners of the dogs who turned on the kids thought the same thing?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As much as we are all saddened by what has happened no doubt it won't be the last,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't understand this "dangerous dog" list, I've had dogs all my life

all dogs regardless of breed have the capability to turn and be dangerous no matter how cute they look or how well you know them.

Never fully trust any dog!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I don't understand this "dangerous dog" list, I've had dogs all my life

That was the result of rushed legislation (in the 80s?)

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By * Busty HotwifeCouple
over a year ago

Bradford

"99.999999999% of the time nothing will go wrong.

The other .000000001, a child will die.

Is it really worth the risk?

PS, I didn't count the 0s."

What utter tosh, statistically more children are killed in car accidents than dog attacks, so let's ban children in cars. And we could very easily list events which cause more fatalities for children than dog attacks.

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By * Busty HotwifeCouple
over a year ago

Bradford

"As much as we are all saddened by what has happened no doubt it won't be the last,"

But sadly more children are killed by their parents or family members, than dogs.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"99.999999999% of the time nothing will go wrong.

The other .000000001, a child will die.

Is it really worth the risk?

PS, I didn't count the 0s.

I'm disappointed anyone is more concerned about statistics than children's lives.

There's no NEED to have a dog in a house with kids (cept for guide dogs etc), so why run the risk?

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By *eryBigGirlWoman
over a year ago

East Yorkshire

"99.999999999% of the time nothing will go wrong.

The other .000000001, a child will die.

Is it really worth the risk?

PS, I didn't count the 0s.

I'm disappointed anyone is more concerned about statistics than children's lives.

There's no NEED to have a dog in a house with kids (cept for guide dogs etc), so why run the risk?"

Just for the record 17 people (children and adults) have been killed by dogs since 2005 so on average 2 a year. Very few compared to other causes of death!!

More children are killed by their own care givers than by dogs so shall we say no parents in a house with kids considering they cause more deaths!! Speak sense man

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"99.999999999% of the time nothing will go wrong.

The other .000000001, a child will die.

Is it really worth the risk?

PS, I didn't count the 0s.

I'm disappointed anyone is more concerned about statistics than children's lives.

There's no NEED to have a dog in a house with kids (cept for guide dogs etc), so why run the risk?

Just for the record 17 people (children and adults) have been killed by dogs since 2005 so on average 2 a year. Very few compared to other causes of death!!

More children are killed by their own care givers than by dogs so shall we say no parents in a house with kids considering they cause more deaths!! Speak sense man

Children need care givers/ parents.

They don't need dogs.

17 people killed by dogs is 17 too many.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"shall we say no parents in a house with kids"

As a parent who's children are now thankfully well past the teen years can I say YES PLEASE to that one!

Other than that request (which is not really true... honest!) yes agree 100% it's a tragedy, but seems to generate much more media attention than it deserves, and dogs generally do much more good than harm.

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By *athnBobCouple
over a year ago

sandwell

"shall we say no parents in a house with kids

As a parent who's children are now thankfully well past the teen years can I say YES PLEASE to that one!

has been proven that you live longer if you have a dog (or cat). Dogs a life line to many people including those who have few social contacts except when they walk their dogs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As much as we are all saddened by what has happened no doubt it won't be the last,

But sadly more children are killed by their parents or family members, than dogs. "

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By *eryBigGirlWoman
over a year ago

East Yorkshire

"99.999999999% of the time nothing will go wrong.

The other .000000001, a child will die.

Is it really worth the risk?

PS, I didn't count the 0s.

I'm disappointed anyone is more concerned about statistics than children's lives.

There's no NEED to have a dog in a house with kids (cept for guide dogs etc), so why run the risk?

Just for the record 17 people (children and adults) have been killed by dogs since 2005 so on average 2 a year. Very few compared to other causes of death!!

More children are killed by their own care givers than by dogs so shall we say no parents in a house with kids considering they cause more deaths!! Speak sense man

Children need care givers/ parents.

They don't need dogs.

17 people killed by dogs is 17 too many."

But some children need dogs too as many children have service dogs for medical conditions and as for needing parents. Many children would fare better without them!!!

17 deaths in 8 years may be 17 too many I agree but when you consider the conservative estimate of 50-60 children are killed by their own parents EVERY YEAR it makes a mockery of saying dogs are more dangerous!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

what this thread needs is more stories about how soft someones big dog is and how good with children it is.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"what this thread needs is more stories about how soft someones big dog is and how good with children it is."

or every story like this you need a million good stories for people to believe it is NOT he breed, it is the owners. Bad press is easier to believe.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

*for

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"99.999999999% of the time nothing will go wrong.

The other .000000001, a child will die.

Is it really worth the risk?

PS, I didn't count the 0s.

I'm disappointed anyone is more concerned about statistics than children's lives.

There's no NEED to have a dog in a house with kids (cept for guide dogs etc), so why run the risk?

Just for the record 17 people (children and adults) have been killed by dogs since 2005 so on average 2 a year. Very few compared to other causes of death!!

More children are killed by their own care givers than by dogs so shall we say no parents in a house with kids considering they cause more deaths!! Speak sense man

Children need care givers/ parents.

They don't need dogs.

17 people killed by dogs is 17 too many.

But some children need dogs too as many children have service dogs for medical conditions and as for needing parents. Many children would fare better without them!!!

I made it clear earlier I have no problem with guide dogs etc and I'll include service dogs for medical conditions.

Yes, many children would fare better without the parents they were born to but they still NEED someone.

They don't need dogs in their home any more than they need a machine gun.

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By *wingerdelightCouple
over a year ago

eastliegh

"99.999999999% of the time nothing will go wrong.

The other .000000001, a child will die.

Is it really worth the risk?

PS, I didn't count the 0s.

I'm disappointed anyone is more concerned about statistics than children's lives.

There's no NEED to have a dog in a house with kids (cept for guide dogs etc), so why run the risk?"
so anything with a risk sould be banned. So how are kids to learn these risks?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"99.999999999% of the time nothing will go wrong.

The other .000000001, a child will die.

Is it really worth the risk?

PS, I didn't count the 0s.

I'm disappointed anyone is more concerned about statistics than children's lives.

There's no NEED to have a dog in a house with kids (cept for guide dogs etc), so why run the risk?

so anything with a risk sould be banned. So how are kids to learn these risks?"

All unnecessary risks. Dogs in the home are an unnecessary risk.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They don't need dogs in their home any more than they need a machine gun."

WHAT no machine guns either!!!!

OK my kids were born in the 80's so things were not quite as weird as they seem to be now, BUT without the dog we would not have spent 1 hour a night and longer on weekends walking as a family through local parks and woods, child predator scares were already stopping young children going out to play in the streets, so without the dog less family time with all the conversation / social benefits it brings and no exercise for the kids either.

I would say that the dog was a glue that made our family work, and the relationship it gave us helped us survive when life turned to shit in the 90's.

2,412 children killed on roads in 2011

someone said 60 killed by carers

2 by dogs...

and you want to ban dogs?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"99.999999999% of the time nothing will go wrong.

The other .000000001, a child will die.

Is it really worth the risk?

PS, I didn't count the 0s.

I'm disappointed anyone is more concerned about statistics than children's lives.

There's no NEED to have a dog in a house with kids (cept for guide dogs etc), so why run the risk?

so anything with a risk sould be banned. So how are kids to learn these risks?

All unnecessary risks. Dogs in the home are an unnecessary risk.

you're like a dog with a bone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"shall we say no parents in a house with kids

As a parent who's children are now thankfully well past the teen years can I say YES PLEASE to that one!

I think it deserves all the media attention it's getting

A dead child

A mother trying to save her from the dog , I believe killing it with a knife

Living in a flat with a large recovered dog

An animal sanctuary letting the dog be resettled in a flat with a small child

I think that deserves al the publicity and more . maybe it will make dog owners think again about fido being one of the family and is totally trustworthy

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By * Busty HotwifeCouple
over a year ago

Bradford

"99.999999999% of the time nothing will go wrong.

The other .000000001, a child will die.

Is it really worth the risk?

PS, I didn't count the 0s.

I'm disappointed anyone is more concerned about statistics than children's lives.

There's no NEED to have a dog in a house with kids (cept for guide dogs etc), so why run the risk?"

Statistics show you the real facts and not just media hype/witch hunt. Sad fact, a child was savaged and killed by a dog. Sadder fact, how many other children have died in accidents today and yesterday but not exposed on national news because children die by that means every day???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Big dog, little dog, medium dog ... anyone of them can snap just the same way as a human can. The only thing that hasn't been said in this incident where the child sadly lost her life is this: "what was the child doing to the dog"? Now I know that might sound awful, but kids can be really horrible towards animals and the animals only defence is to bite and when they bite they can go into a frenzy in much the same way as a human can go into a frenzy once he/she starts punching the shit out of someone who has upset him/her. I have an American Bulldog and did have a German Shep who sadly died age 13, but she has been replaced by a rescue Douge de Bordeaux (French Mastiff) and they are both the softest, most stupid dogs in the world and frankly I would trust them both with my life but no way would I trust them to be alone with anyone else (except Mrs Red) - I've no reason to suspect that they'd be a problem but I'm their master, they take commands from me and I simply would not trust them with a stranger and no way on earth would I trust them alone with kids. When kids approach me in the street and say, "Does your dog bite?" - I always say, "Yes". That's not being nasty to the kids, I'm 99.9% sure the dogs won't bite them but I cannot be 100% sure so I let them nowhere near the dogs. In any event one of the dogs is almost 7 stone and the other almost 9, so even if they jumped up at a kid they'd most likely damage them. It's not just the dog to blame here, everyone needs to accept some degree of responsibility or simply accept that on rare occasions, accidents do happen, some of which nobody has any control over."

I agree 100%

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"what this thread needs is more stories about how soft someones big dog is and how good with children it is.

or every story like this you need a million good stories for people to believe it is NOT he breed, it is the owners. Bad press is easier to believe."

yeah but the dogs breed has a lot to do with it.some dogs are more prone to attacking than others breed so

deny it as much as you want but its fact,other wise why breed so many different types of dog?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

I'm struggling to believe some folks think their 'right' to have a dog overrides a child's entitlement to live in a safe environment.

Yes, there are other risks in a child's life and where we can mitigate these risks, let's do so.

Having a dog, which you don't NEED, is one of those risks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dog attacks on children, make great news.

I wonder how many children die of cancer or Lukemia, each year as a result of passive smoking, or obesity related illness.

I wonder how many children die each year from swallowing bleach or drugs, they thought were sweets.

I wonder how many children die each tear from domestic violence.

I wonder how many children die from household accidents every year.

Unfortunatley you wont read about most of the children who die day to day, because it isn't newsworthy, and doesn't make money for anyone. in fact it would cause money to be lost in tax, and increasing spending on child protection.

Each and every parent, is responsible for their childs safety, 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

Having any pet ,a bird, a cat, a mouse, a dog, a snake, a lizard, can cause health problems for a baby and a child.

It is obvious that bringing any dog into a home with children is a risk, if a parent choses a dog, who weighs more than their child, is older than their child and comes from an unknown background, it is very dangerous, and it is a risk.

Most dogs in a rescue centre have been through a traumatic time, and their histories are not known. I love all animals, and have worked with dogs and horses all my life.

I would never trust any child to be left with any animal unsupervised. however well you know your dog, horse etc.

Dogs will fight/bite for two main reasons, one is food, and the second reason is fear.

Children usually have food around and in the incidents of dogs biting children, in many cases food is the motivation for the attack.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"what this thread needs is more stories about how soft someones big dog is and how good with children it is.

or every story like this you need a million good stories for people to believe it is NOT he breed, it is the owners. Bad press is easier to believe.

yeah but the dogs breed has a lot to do with it.some dogs are more prone to attacking than others breed so

deny it as much as you want but its fact,other wise why breed so many different types of dog?"

initially it was to create dogs for certain jobs - now a days its a fashion and convenience thing (breeding dogs that moult less because dog hairs are annoying etc)

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"what this thread needs is more stories about how soft someones big dog is and how good with children it is.

or every story like this you need a million good stories for people to believe it is NOT he breed, it is the owners. Bad press is easier to believe.

yeah but the dogs breed has a lot to do with it.some dogs are more prone to attacking than others breed so

deny it as much as you want but its fact,other wise why breed so many different types of dog?"

Why have so many different types of motor car?

So people can feel superior about their car over someone else's car.

Just like 'my dog's more dangerous than yours.'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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"2 of the most softest dogs on the world "

That's why this will be debated again in the not to distant future

As for media hype

A little girl being torn apart by an animal her mother trying to save her , I believe killing the dog with a knife , blood every where screams of terror from mother and child . Silence then

Sorry to much hype

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At the end of the day why anybody would put there own child in the way of harm is beyond me!!

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By *adgodCouple
over a year ago

Greensburg

"There's no reason why a dog's behaviour should be any more predictable than a human's and we all know some humans can 'flip' at any time for any reason.

Save for guide dogs etc and working farm dogs, I see no reason why anyone needs dogs, especially in a town or city in a small house or flat.

Oh my. That's horrible! Dogs bring more joy and companionship into this world than most people could ever hope to.

What a shame for anyone who has never experienced it, but to take that joy away from others, especially those that need it most.......would be unforgivable.

I couldn't disagree with you more.

How many more children have to die?"

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Quote

"2 of the most softest dogs on the world "

That's why this will be debated again in the not to distant future

As for media hype

A little girl being torn apart by an animal her mother trying to save her , I believe killing the dog with a knife , blood every where screams of terror from mother and child . Silence then

Sorry to much hype

she was actually torn apart?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Quote

"2 of the most softest dogs on the world "

That's why this will be debated again in the not to distant future

As for media hype

A little girl being torn apart by an animal her mother trying to save her , I believe killing the dog with a knife , blood every where screams of terror from mother and child . Silence then

Sorry to much hype

she was actually torn apart?"

does it matter how she was killed by the dog?

it wouldn't of been pretty.

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By *adgodCouple
over a year ago

Greensburg

I would be willing to bet that more dogs have saved the lives of children than have taken them. Including housepets, which have far more often saved families from fires than killed children.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Quote

"2 of the most softest dogs on the world "

That's why this will be debated again in the not to distant future

As for media hype

A little girl being torn apart by an animal her mother trying to save her , I believe killing the dog with a knife , blood every where screams of terror from mother and child . Silence then

Sorry to much hype

she was actually torn apart?

does it matter how she was killed by the dog?

it wouldn't of been pretty."

i think using overly emotive statements is matters yes. saying someone has been torn apart is completely different from saying someone died from wounds inflicted upon them during a sustained attack.

Of course this is a tragic incident and my thoughts are with the family as this is something that will be with them forever but i dont think that using inaccurate over the top statements such as someone being torn apart is necessary.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would be willing to bet that more dogs have saved the lives of children than have taken them. Including housepets, which have far more often saved families from fires than killed children.

I imagine your right, dogs have alerted parents when a child stops breathing, has an epileptic attack, dogs can recognise hypos in diabetics, recognise cancer, by smell, alert you of intruders, fires.

but we don't hear of all the good stories.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The nastiest dog I've ever come across was a golden retriever, it hated everyone , bit nearly the whole family my uncle finally had it put down when it bit my cousin. Another was a golden cockerspaniel took a big chunk from my left boob the vet said that these are very unpredictable because they're so inbred to get that gold colour the dog not my boob!

I agree with most of the above posts owners having badly trained animals is a recipe for disaster.

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By *ixson-BallsMan
over a year ago

Blackpool

for all the pro's and cons for having a dog or not......

one thing is for certain....this government or any other future government isn't gonna make any sort of legislation for banning all breeds of dogs....

a tragic accident occurred,as a result of ignorance or wilful neglect which can with education be eradicated...

there are millions of respectful and responsible dog owner out there who don't or ever had any problems with their animals...

while ever there's a hole in my arse ,i'll never accept a dog with proper training and understanding and leadership will ever attack wilfully without any sort of fear or provication.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"for all the pro's and cons for having a dog or not......

one thing is for certain....this government or any other future government isn't gonna make any sort of legislation for banning all breeds of dogs....

a tragic accident occurred,as a result of ignorance or wilful neglect which can with education be eradicated...

there are millions of respectful and responsible dog owner out there who don't or ever had any problems with their animals...

while ever there's a hole in my arse ,i'll never accept a dog with proper training and understanding and leadership will ever attack wilfully without any sort of fear or provication.

very clear and well put and correct x

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"I don't understand this "dangerous dog" list, I've had dogs all my life

all dogs regardless of breed have the capability to turn and be dangerous no matter how cute they look or how well you know them.

Never fully trust any dog!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't understand this "dangerous dog" list, I've had dogs all my life

all dogs regardless of breed have the capability to turn and be dangerous no matter how cute they look or how well you know them.

Never fully trust any dog!

on that one with previous - unfortunately.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A dogs intelligence is inversely proportional to its owners.

Wether a dog is only going to attack if in fear or provoked is totally irrelevant.

They are unpredictable,who's to say what will scare a dog?

A 3 year old kid doesn't understand that pulling a dogs tail upsets the dog.

Easier to remove the dog than tell the child its wrong.

Compared to a human and dogs life is zero.

I have a dog,I think dogs are OK but people love putting human emotions to an unpredictable animal that can potentially kill people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Dog attacks on children, make great news.