FabSwingers.com forum: speaking as a fat woman

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Ok I'm not morbidly obese but I have put a lot of weight on. My point here is. I have normal cholesterol levels. My blood sugars are fine. According to my doctor I have less than 2% chance of having heart attack or heart disease. Now, my skinny cousin has very high cholesterol, poor circulation and varicose veins. I am therefore healthier than her. Her back is worse than mine too. Carrying some extra fat for a while doesn't mean unhealthy although I do want to lose 2 stone so I can bust out more moves in the bedroom

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By *wingerdelightCouple
over a year ago

eastliegh

Thin people can be as unhealthy as fat people. But beeing fat often doesn't help

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

used to go to school with a lad that didnt look to have an ounce of fat on him, and when we did the old cross country running/stumbling, we were the ones at the back, so yes, skinny/thin doesnt always mean healthy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Unless it is in the extreme Bigger does not automatically mean Unhealthier, that is just rubbish fed to us by the tv which people are daft enough to believe.

Same as the reason that Cancers and other serious health issues have been steadily increasing over the last 20 years is given as people not eating anough carrots and lettuces. Nothing at all to do with Sellafield, Chernobyl and the others dumping radioactive poison over us on and off for 50 years. Point being people believe what they are told when it is clearly not quite true.

If your doctor considers you healthy, you are happy and you can do a couple of flights of stairs without puffing then you are doing a lot better than a lot of people. So don't worry about it

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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

"Ok I'm not morbidly obese but I have put a lot of weight on. My point here is. I have normal cholesterol levels. My blood sugars are fine. According to my doctor I have less than 2% chance of having heart attack or heart disease. Now, my skinny cousin has very high cholesterol, poor circulation and varicose veins. I am therefore healthier than her. Her back is worse than mine too. Carrying some extra fat for a while doesn't mean unhealthy although I do want to lose 2 stone so I can bust out more moves in the bedroom

You look very curvy to us & i think John would love to help you bust a few moves lol!

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By *andACouple
over a year ago

glasgow

Health doesn't just come down to weight. There are many different factors, some genetic, some related to lifestyle etc. Some naturally slim people can lead really unhealthy lifestyles but still look fit, even though it isn't the case at all.

But as ever with these things you've got to look at a large sample size so that you don't fall into the fallacy of drawing a conclusion based on an inadequate sample, for example, my great gran smoked 40 cigarettes a day and lived to 130 etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm built like a wire coat hanger and smoke n drink too much, you could probably bust more moves than me ...

Can i ave a sympathy shag please

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everything about you is perfect. Especially your 'healthy attitude' to 'exercise'

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

Insulin sensitivity is related to weight and that can be adversely affected years before it will show in blood sugars, so having normal glucose does not mean the lack of a problem necessarily.

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By *innamon!Woman
over a year ago

no matter

I gave up smoking 20 odd years ago..was then 10 and half stone. .As time has passed I have got more sedentary eat drink more I also have underactive thyroid and depression. both make it hard to lose the weight. My blood pressure is low/normal.

Yes I should exercise more but lack motivation.

I do wish people were not so critical fat or thin we are people with feelings.

My size hasnt seemed to put people off me at all. Plenty from 18 upwards contact me to meet. dont know why people cannot just let it lie..

This comment for the most part is in answer to the one that was closed. sorry if I hijacked this one.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Some fat people are just fat on the outside, some are fat in and out. Thin people who hold their fat around their organs are at risk.

I'm fat and I know I'm not doing future me any favours but for now it's fine. My fat is not around my organs, yet.

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By *oudnproudWoman
over a year ago

penrith

Im fat and proud!!!

My answer is.. im happy I have a nice healthy son..

If people dont like then dont bloody look..

Be proud of who you are xxx

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

I'm in the obese BMI category.

I don't smoke. I rarely drink alcohol.

My blood pressure has been high just once in my life - after I'd just been admitted to hospital with an asthma attack. My cholesterol is good. My fasting glucose is normal.

I was born with asthma so that's not weight related and I haven't needed to take medication for several years.

I have a back problem which was caused by a car accident 9 years ago. Losing weight and strengthening my core will help that.

My cardiovascular fitness is shocking and I do get more tired than I did when I weighed less.

All things considered I am probably healthier than some slim people.

I'm not as healthy as I could be though and I don't feel as happy and energetic as I could. I'm addressing that but it takes time to do it sensibly and it's not the highest priority right now.

I recognise fat doesn't look attractive to some people and I really don't need to be told that. They can meet who they like and stop imposing their standards on me. I also think a lot of people use the "it's unhealthy" angle as another means of disapproving of how fat people look but trying to disguise what they mean.

Lots of things are unhealthy and cost public money to manage but I don't see too many people going on about a lot of those. And certainly not as often as I hear about how unhealthy fat is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Lots of things are unhealthy and cost public money to manage but I don't see too many people going on about a lot of those. And certainly not as often as I hear about how unhealthy fat is."

Easy target that's all. I am lucky my BMI is perfect and if my weight creeps up I just skip lunch for a few days and it falls off.

And I think you will find most people who are vocal/critical will be the same. I don't think they realise that it is far from that easy for others. They think anyone overweight lives on a diet of Big Mac's and Lard. Who cares anyway? I like ladies with lots of curves and plenty of others do as well. For everyone who finds someone visually unattractive there will be someone else who holds the opposing view.

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By *exxifun5Couple
over a year ago

NORWICH

In 2005 I weighed 20 stone and lost nine and a half stone I was circuit training and swimming and was wearing size 10 to 12 ... I then needed an op and was told by hospital that I was still classed as obese !!! Unfortunately due to divorce I have put on three stone ... but have met my soulmate who makes me feel sexier than ever ... even though I feel I should shift the weight for health it seems to outweigh my emotional and mental happiness .. so do I lose the weight and diet or stay as I am ? Xx tabitha xx

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

sex gives me such an appetite!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Speaking as a very fit person myself I've never liked the word 'fat' and I'm not being patronizing here. Personally I've encountered many more insecure slim/thin females in my time,than females with a few extra pounds.

We all come in different shapes and sizes,it would be a very dull world if we didn't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well i think you look foxy I do some bedroom move with you.

Be happy as you are i say.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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Truth is all sizes can be just as unhealthy and if people are not happy in there own skin they can make changes and it can take time . I think if your happy and feel good and well big or slim its fine and if not change things for you not others .

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

The more grief I get about my size the less I want to change because I end up thinking "fuck you".

It's people who think giving others a hard time about their weight is helping and encouraging them to change that annoy me. It's much easier to change if you begin from a comfortable place rather than one of self loathing.

Making people feel crap about themselves is not empowering them to change.

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By *yphoon1Man
over a year ago

Just looked at your pictures. You look absolutely fine. I am not convinced losing those 2 stone would make much difference to your sexiness or ability to bust moves.

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By *udistnorthantsMan
over a year ago

Desborough

As long as you are panting for breath after you have been busting moves around the bedroom rather than before you've climbed the stairs then game on

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By *ingleguy1973Man
over a year ago

peterborough

Being fat/over-weight/big boned or whatever you want to call it needs to be considered on two levels.

The mental; are you happy with the way you look? If not do something about it.

The physical; is your size/weight going to cause you health problems either long or short term? If the answer is yes then do something about it.

If you are happy and healthy then good on you and carry on the way you are going.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im pretty healthy even tho im a fatty....i can still do everything i could when i was slim and i have a pretty active job sometimes its quiet others im constantly on the move and can be pretty physical.

I do however think if you are stones and stones over weight its going to have medical and mobility issues,but a little isnt going to harm.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Being fat/over-weight/big boned or whatever you want to call it needs to be considered on two levels.

The mental; are you happy with the way you look? If not do something about it.

The physical; is your size/weight going to cause you health problems either long or short term? If the answer is yes then do something about it.

If you are happy and healthy then good on you and carry on the way you are going."

If people want to be unhealthy then they should be left to make their own decisions.

To what extent are you expecting people to be healthy? Smokers should give up? Nobody should drink alcohol? We should all stop driving to reduce the fumes we breathe?

How far should we take not being unhealthy? And who should get to decide?

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Well I don't need a jcb to get me out of bed...so I'm doing ok so far...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well I don't need a jcb to get me out of bed...so I'm doing ok so far...

i thought you were looking for a good man to keep you in bed lol x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I find larger women much more liberating to be around, as a foodie and a passionate amateur chef I find that they are much more confident in themselves and less size conscious - try feeding or going out for something to eat with a size zero... it's not easy. As long as everyone is healthy then it's happy days

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

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If people want to be unhealthy then they should be left to make their own decisions.

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Do the rest of us get to decide whether to pay for any help needed because of these unhealthy decisions ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its true any size of person can be unhealthy, but the difference is, that ALL overweight people put an unnecessary strain on their organs, the same can be said for ALL underweight people, but not all slim people are underweight!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

God what boring lives we would lead if we all bowed down to anything that will give us something to impare our lives.

I used to be a size 20 and 15yrs ago I did something about it and dropped to size 10. Since my girls arrived I have yoyoed from 16-12.

I am now a size 12/14...I have high cholesterol and type 2 diabete although I now watch what I eat and also now drink, try to keep the exercise going, these things that I have are not threw my lifestyle they are hereditary (thats the Dr saying that NOT me). I know that I have type 1 diabetes coming at me, but trying hard to hold it off for as long as possible.

Recently my Dr did my IBM and told me that I tipped over onto the obese line.

I think as long as you are healthy and live your life to the full.... Who cares what size you are....I think you are all beautiful

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By *D40Couple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

I agree and disagree with everyone, i'm not sitting on the fence but i've had the xxxl t-shirt and worn it and the L t-shirt and worn it and am now back in the xl one.

During my lifetime i've grown to a whopping 23 stone at one point. I worked and had a child at this point. I then dieted strictly and dropped 83lb in 8 months. Got pregnant had another child put it back on, lost a couple of stone had another child. During this time i worked part time down the local chippy (also one of the best in the city) where i took full advantage of free leftovers.

Anyway i was always pretty healthy, never went the doctors, had migraines bad but coped. Only thing is i was blooming knackered all the time. Every day when the kids had an afternoon kip so did i. I didn't want to walk anywhere or do anything as things were such an effort. About 5 or 6 years ago i was diagnosed type 2 diabetic. 3 years ago i had a surgery procedure to help me lose the weight. I thought it was a magic wand to slimdom. It wasn't. I dropped 6 stone, however i didn't lose bad habits. I did however discover energy i never knew i had. The only time i lay down in the afternoon now is for some afternoon delight. I work longer, harder and now don't discount a good night out cos i've been at work all day. I'm revitalised, re-energised and ready to rumble at the drop of a trouser leg....

Have to say although i'm as straight as they come i do think curvy ladies are more aesthetically pleasing to the eye.

Shoot me now

Julie x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Being fat/over-weight/big boned or whatever you want to call it needs to be considered on two levels.

The mental; are you happy with the way you look? If not do something about it.

The physical; is your size/weight going to cause you health problems either long or short term? If the answer is yes then do something about it.

If you are happy and healthy then good on you and carry on the way you are going.

If people want to be unhealthy then they should be left to make their own decisions.

To what extent are you expecting people to be healthy? Smokers should give up? Nobody should drink alcohol? We should all stop driving to reduce the fumes we breathe?

How far should we take not being unhealthy? And who should get to decide?"

Until being unhealthy impacts negatively on your own life?

Whom ever you allow to decide for you!

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

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If people want to be unhealthy then they should be left to make their own decisions.

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Do the rest of us get to decide whether to pay for any help needed because of these unhealthy decisions ?"

Do the rest of you live 100% healthy lives? We all make unhealthy decisions.

What standard of "not unhealthy" is reasonable? Who decides?

What about unhealthy people who eat more junk food and/or buy more cigarettes and alcohol than other unhealthy people? Are they entitled to more care because they've paid extra tax or less because of their decisions are more unhealthy?

What about slim people who become ill from stress which they've done nothing to reduce? Do "we" decide "we" don't want to pay for their treatment?

Sports injuries are absolutely a result of personal life choices. Do "we" decide "we" won't pay to treat them?

How exactly do we decide how everybody should live and who deserves how much care?

If people are "allowed" to smoke, drink, be stressed, do dangerous things like play sports, drive, cross the road and get out of bed, then why should people be told they can't do other unhealthy things?

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

I come from a long line of skinny gits. Ideally, I'd like to put a bit of weight on

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Its true any size of person can be unhealthy, but the difference is, that ALL overweight people put an unnecessary strain on their organs, the same can be said for ALL underweight people, but not all slim people are underweight!

All athletes put unnecessary strain on themselves too. Are we to ban or somehow tax that too? Bear in mind that a lot of athletes have an overweight or obese BMI too because muscle is more dense than fat.

Where's the line between doing to little and doing so much you massively increase your risk of injury?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where's the line between doing to little and doing so much you massively increase your risk of injury?"

Its a simple matter of acceptance.

Athletes are not slim....they over work their organs as much as fat people and suffer sudden failures of organs,

Each person has to find a balance that works for them, you are responsible for your own life and body, find yer own line ffs!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I have decided to cut down on my tea with sugar and fuck myself thinner

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have decided to cut down on my tea with sugar and fuck myself thinner

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have decided to cut down on my tea with sugar and fuck myself thinner

I am too busy working, and don't have time to eat lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have decided to cut down on my tea with sugar and fuck myself thinner

Fuck a rabbit count?

Actually I'd love to fuck regularly

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I have decided to cut down on my tea with sugar and fuck myself thinner

Fuck a rabbit count?

Actually I'd love to fuck regularly

I suppose it does. If you get a suctioned dildo and ride it you will burn more calories and tone your bum too. Why don't you fuck regularly?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a large lady had surgery 3 times in last 2 yrs was told that my blood pressure etc was all fine, I was up and about the following day after each op even though it was not expected recovering well apart from a few complications none of which are related to my weight, but I can't say I'm truly happy being the size that I am, being on fab though has increased my confidence in myself tenfold, didn't think I could be big and attractive now know I can be to some people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The natural state of the human condition is movement ...when we lived as hunter gatherers noone was fat ...just a bli k of an eye in evolutionary terms . Not very pc but its not a dodgy thyroid or any other malady its doughnuts and a sedentary lifestyle. I now expect to be pilloried but more people die of over eating than malnutrition in the world ....and the obese demand a hugely disproportianate of health service spending so i i make no apo.ogy for a demonisation of the sin ...not neccesarily the sinner

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Where's the line between doing to little and doing so much you massively increase your risk of injury?

Its a simple matter of acceptance.

Athletes are not slim....they over work their organs as much as fat people and suffer sudden failures of organs,

Each person has to find a balance that works for them, you are responsible for your own life and body, find yer own line ffs!

I agree, it's up to each individual. So why are we slating fat people for straining their organs, unnecessarily wearing their joints and potentially being a drain on the health service but not acknowedging that other apparently "healthy" life choices carry similar risks?

It suggests to me that the concern for the health of others and for the cost to the health service are merely convenient camouflage for fat bashing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where's the line between doing to little and doing so much you massively increase your risk of injury?

Its a simple matter of acceptance.

Athletes are not slim....they over work their organs as much as fat people and suffer sudden failures of organs,

Each person has to find a balance that works for them, you are responsible for your own life and body, find yer own line ffs!

It suggests to me that the concern for the health of others and for the cost to the health service are merely convenient camouflage for fat bashing."

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

" i make no apo.ogy for a demonisation of the sin ...not neccesarily the sinner

And smokers? Binge drinkers or heavy drinkers? Parents with risk of passing genetic conditions on to their children, who have children anyway? People who do any sport that can cause injury? Athletes? Drivers? Motorcyclists? Cyclists? People who do dangerous jobs? People who live in cities and therefore are exposed to higher pollution? People who undereat? People who are slim but have an unhealthy diet and lifestyle? People who are stressed?

Why are some behaviours not "sins" but being fat is?

Fat people are just an easy and socially acceptable target, that's all. There's far more to obesity and weight management than we currently know and understand. Sometimes it's doughnuts, I agree. Sometimes it's more complicated than that. It's like depression and mental health issues though, unless you've experienced it, it can be difficult to understand or accept.

There are already at least 20 known genetic markers which make people more prone to being obese. They aren't an excuse and it's possible to have a high risk and be slim or to have a low risk and be fat. They do mean that it is more difficult for some people to maintain a healthy weight than others.

Some medication causes weight gain which can be virtually impossible to counteract.

Thyroid function is a problem for some. Mental health issues and eating disorders often lead to weight management problems.

Some people have diabetes or insulin resistance which make losing weight difficult.

It's easy to say eat less and move more without taking in to account that some people would need to eat a *lot* less and move a *lot* more than others. Living like that can be no fun at all and some people simply prefer to stay fat. I can understand it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The natural state of the human condition is movement ...when we lived as hunter gatherers noone was fat ...just a bli k of an eye in evolutionary terms . Not very pc but its not a dodgy thyroid or any other malady its doughnuts and a sedentary lifestyle. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So what you're saying is that metabolic dysfunctions (thyroid, insulin and other hormonal sensitivities) did not exist, god knows how many centuries ago, and that metabolic disorders are triggered by over-eating and the sedentary lifestyle?

We do not know whether these dysfunctions existed or many other things back then, ermmmmmm medical science has come a long way.

What we do know is that people can have a genetic predisposition to having these dysfunctions and other medical disorders. Sticking with the disorders we can observe polar opposites: one member of the family has the thyroid dysfunction hyperthyroidism, whereby the thyroid is over-active resulting in a physically slim/skinny person. Another member can have hypothyroidism, where the thyroid is sluggish, resulting in an overweight person. Would you dare say that one overeats and one "undereats" and that has triggered the condition? Now that isn't impossible, but probable?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In the poorer countries I visit only the rich are fat. Some of those predispositions seem only to be suffered by the wealthy..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In the poorer countries I visit only the rich are fat. Some of those predispositions seem only to be suffered by the wealthy.."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It suggests to me that the concern for the health of others and for the cost to the health service are merely convenient camouflage for fat bashing."

What's wrong with fat bashing?

Especially if the fat is excessive...no one has been bashing fat people, why do you see an attack when there was NO attack?

The human body was not designed to lug about all that extra weight...and that's a fact!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's easy to say eat less and move more without taking in to account that some people would need to eat a *lot* less and move a *lot* more than others. Living like that can be no fun at all and some people simply prefer to stay fat. I can understand it."

Likewise there are various reasons people criticise fat people. For some it maybe covers their own weight concerns, for others it represents selfish over indulgence, lack of control, lack of self respect, or maybe concern that it represents the state of our society and is a poor reflection on us.

For me it's frustration that it's one less fitty.

I hardly think people need to suffer to eat sensibly though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In the poorer countries I visit only the rich are fat. Some of those predispositions seem only to be suffered by the wealthy..

What that isn't a fact? Go take a look.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We do not know whether these dysfunctions existed or many other things back then, ermmmmmm medical science has come a long way.

More probable than you think..we adapt to our environment, our bodies adapt to what we feed it! Its fuel IS our bodies environment...and if we feed it shit, then our bodies will look and feel like shit! Its not difficult to understand really... is it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Same as the reason that Cancers and other serious health issues have been steadily increasing over the last 20 years is given as people not eating anough carrots and lettuces. Nothing at all to do with Sellafield, Chernobyl and the others dumping radioactive poison over us on and off for 50 years. Point being people believe what they are told when it is clearly not quite true. "

Who's believing what they're told now?....Carrots and lettuce don't stop cancer. Do you not think that cancer rates have appeared to increase purely because we have a better understanding of medicines, diagnosis etc now. Coupled with the fact we are statistic crazy now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In the poorer countries I visit only the rich are fat. Some of those predispositions seem only to be suffered by the wealthy..

What that isn't a fact? Go take a look."

Your argument does not match mine. I have stated NOTHING about overindulgence but a fact that a person with a certain dysfunction can be fat and yet a member of the same family with the same dysfunction but polar opposite be thin.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm in the obese BMI category.

I don't smoke. I rarely drink alcohol.

My blood pressure has been high just once in my life - after I'd just been admitted to hospital with an asthma attack. My cholesterol is good. My fasting glucose is normal.

I was born with asthma so that's not weight related and I haven't needed to take medication for several years.

I have a back problem which was caused by a car accident 9 years ago. Losing weight and strengthening my core will help that.

My cardiovascular fitness is shocking and I do get more tired than I did when I weighed less.

All things considered I am probably healthier than some slim people.

I'm not as healthy as I could be though and I don't feel as happy and energetic as I could. I'm addressing that but it takes time to do it sensibly and it's not the highest priority right now.

Lots of things are unhealthy and cost public money to manage but I don't see too many people going on about a lot of those. And certainly not as often as I hear about how unhealthy fat is."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In the poorer countries I visit only the rich are fat. Some of those predispositions seem only to be suffered by the wealthy..

What that isn't a fact? Go take a look.

Yet poor people in poor countries don't appear to suffer that problem.. why not?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We do not know whether these dysfunctions existed or many other things back then, ermmmmmm medical science has come a long way.

You're right in the fact that we eat shit and our bodies react to that shit.

Our bodies are designed to work at digesting our foods, ie using x amount of calories to turn the proteins into amino acids, to break down the sugars from the carbs etc. We are abusing our bodies by giving it cheap processed food, so our bodies are NOT doing what they are designed to do. THIS is possibly the prime reason for the high emergence of type 2 diabetes in the ageing population. Oh I don't mean our aged population either I mean as we age. The population that was brought up on crap foods. The aged population may have had years of rationing but they ate REAL food.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In the poorer countries I visit only the rich are fat. Some of those predispositions seem only to be suffered by the wealthy..

What that isn't a fact? Go take a look.

Yet poor people in poor countries don't appear to suffer that problem.. why not?"

Appear? Is that because skinny people APPEAR healthy?

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"In the poorer countries I visit only the rich are fat. Some of those predispositions seem only to be suffered by the wealthy..

What that isn't a fact? Go take a look.

Yet poor people in poor countries don't appear to suffer that problem.. why not?

Appear? Is that because skinny people APPEAR healthy?"

Why avoid the question?

Healthy people appear healthy - not skinny, not fat.

There are less fat people in poor countries, not because people in wealthy countries have genetic dispositions - but simply because people in poor countries eat less shit, and they eat less overall.

If people in this country did likewise the would be less fat people. No amount of excuses will ever change that.

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over a year ago

I hardly think people need to suffer to eat sensibly though."

In this country it is much much cheaper to eat processed foods than "real" food, so your argument does not hold water. As explained above processed foods are the body's enemy.

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over a year ago

Im am overweight, fat, obese which evr way you want to sugarcoat it ( but not to much in case i eat it lol ) but i am active, i play football 3 times a week my job is physically tough with heavy lifting and time related goals but i just cant shift any extra weight, but what really annoys me is some ppl who.think because they are thinner/ healthier than me that they are better lovers!!!! What they dont realise is because of the stigma surrounding larger ppl i put 50% more effort in than them to.dispel the myth so therefore i probably am better in bed than my thinner counterpart lol and i dont huff and puff my way through it like ppl imagine fat ppl do

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"In the poorer countries I visit only the rich are fat. Some of those predispositions seem only to be suffered by the wealthy..

What that isn't a fact? Go take a look.

Yet poor people in poor countries don't appear to suffer that problem.. why not?

Appear? Is that because skinny people APPEAR healthy?

Why avoid the question?

Healthy people appear healthy - not skinny, not fat.

There are less fat people in poor countries, not because people in wealthy countries have genetic dispositions - but simply because people in poor countries eat less shit, and they eat less overall.

If people in this country did likewise the would be less fat people. No amount of excuses will ever change that."

AGAIN I state I am not speaking about those who overindulge but those who have a condition. I am telling you NOT to look at fat people and assume it is because of overindulgence.

Also be aware that some people are fat, again not due to overindulgence but their diet is inadequate.

And YES we do have some fat people who eat the wrong foods and/or overindulge!

Bottom line is: don't look and judge.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

It suggests to me that the concern for the health of others and for the cost to the health service are merely convenient camouflage for fat bashing.

What's wrong with fat bashing?

Especially if the fat is excessive...no one has been bashing fat people, why do you see an attack when there was NO attack?

The human body was not designed to lug about all that extra weight...and that's a fact!

What's wrong with it? I don't think I can even be bothered to reply to that.

As I have pointed out, lots of things are unhealthy yet it's only ever fat we hear about. Every other day. And it's often because the poster is sooooo concerned for the health of these people. Bullshit, quite frankly. As I've said, fat people are just easy targets.

It's personal responsibility and personal choice. Don't fancy fat people? Don't fuck them. Otherwise let them worry about their own health and happiness and stick to dealing with your own. (That's a general "your" by the way, I'm not meaning you specifically).

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"AGAIN I state I am not speaking about those who overindulge but those who have a condition. I am telling you NOT to look at fat people and assume it is because of overindulgence.

Also be aware that some people are fat, again not due to overindulgence but their diet is inadequate.

And YES we do have some fat people who eat the wrong foods and/or overindulge!

Bottom line is: don't look and judge."

They do over-indulge. Of course they do!

Some people do put weight on more easily. Although some people claim they do so but actually it's because they do less - but even if you do put weight on mor easily for whatever reason, if you put n weight it's because you eat too much and do too little. You are over indulging for your lifestyle. That's it!

If it were the case that some humans simply put weight on there would be fat people everywhere. There aren't.

As for the 'bottom line' that's silly advice. Of course people should look and judge, only idiots don't.

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over a year ago

"In the poorer countries I visit only the rich are fat. Some of those predispositions seem only to be suffered by the wealthy.."

I'm poor, I can't even afford a can of diet today but I have my tea with sugar supply. It's my comfort drink. I know skinny people who eat more rubbish food than me. Once you put the weight on it's not a walk in the park getting or back off. I was underweight a lot of my life and severely anaemic. I worry about getting diabetes now which is why I want to cut down my sugar in my tea. I can't run or walk far but I will try to work off my excess fat slowly and steadily. I've lost 13 kilos already

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"As I have pointed out, lots of things are unhealthy yet it's only ever fat we hear about. Every other day. And it's often because the poster is sooooo concerned for the health of these people. Bullshit, quite frankly. As I've said, fat people are just easy targets.

You never hear people criticising drug users, smokers?...

People are free to make their personal choices and others are free to judge and comment on them. Kind of like a forum.

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over a year ago

"In the poorer countries I visit only the rich are fat. Some of those predispositions seem only to be suffered by the wealthy..

We all know people that can eat mountains and not appear to put on weight. I used to be able to. Now it's my children that seem to have hollow legs and finish off the cakes for me.

13 kilos is a good amount of excess baggage. Well done

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over a year ago

"AGAIN I state I am not speaking about those who overindulge but those who have a condition. I am telling you NOT to look at fat people and assume it is because of overindulgence.

Also be aware that some people are fat, again not due to overindulgence but their diet is inadequate.

And YES we do have some fat people who eat the wrong foods and/or overindulge!

Bottom line is: don't look and judge.

They do over-indulge. Of course they do!

If it were the case that some humans simply put weight on there would be fat people everywhere. There aren't.

As for the 'bottom line' that's silly advice. Of course people should look and judge, only idiots don't."

of course you are correct there. I went from 9st 4 down to 8 stone because of an illness then ballooned to 17st in a year when I was recovering. I craved carb loaded, sugary foods. Something I hadn't eaten much of before. It's mind over matter, although the consultant did say I will put on weight with my medication. Now my mind is more healthy I am finding it easier to control what I eat plus I don't have the carb cravings any more. I don't diet, I just change my eating habits. And sex is a great exercise

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Blah blah blah

All fat people are greedy.

All slim people are fit and healthy.

It's as simple as eat less, move more.

Total bollocks.

Same shit. Different day. There will be another fat bashing thread along tomorrow. And the day after. And they will all be soooo concerned about the health of these total strangers.

Seems to me some people should be looking at their own faults before telling other people what they're doing wrong and how they should live their lives.

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over a year ago

"In the poorer countries I visit only the rich are fat. Some of those predispositions seem only to be suffered by the wealthy..

We all know people that can eat mountains and not appear to put on weight. I used to be able to. Now it's my children that seem to have hollow legs and finish off the cakes for me.

13 kilos is a good amount of excess baggage. Well done

My grandson is always hungry, think he's due for a growth spurt. I find boys consume more quantity where girls will pick at sweets

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over a year ago

"Seems to me some people should be looking at their own faults before telling other people what they're doing wrong and how they should live their lives. "

Sound advice.

Try it.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

You never hear people criticising drug users, smokers?...

People are free to make their personal choices and others are free to judge and comment on them. Kind of like a forum."

Do a quick search on here and see how often other lifestyle choices are singled out compared with how often we see fat bashing threads.

You'll see that fat bashing happens every day or two. Criticism of any other lifestyle choice is rarer. Bareback sex is probably the next most vilified.

I disagree it's ok to judge and comment on others. Mind your own business.

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over a year ago

"AGAIN I state I am not speaking about those who overindulge but those who have a condition. I am telling you NOT to look at fat people and assume it is because of overindulgence.

Also be aware that some people are fat, again not due to overindulgence but their diet is inadequate.

And YES we do have some fat people who eat the wrong foods and/or overindulge!

Bottom line is: don't look and judge.

They do over-indulge. Of course they do!

If it were the case that some humans simply put weight on there would be fat people everywhere. There aren't.

As for the 'bottom line' that's silly advice. Of course people should look and judge, only idiots don't.

I'd rather be a damn idiot than a judgemental arsehole.

Metabolic dysfunctions rules out the once known fact of: "you put n weight it's because you eat too much and do too little".

Take a look at the World Health Organisation advice for tackling obesity.

It references nothing about dysfunctions or predispositions. It does refer to an energy imbalance and eating shit food.

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over a year ago

I don't mind anyone bashing my fat,especially from behind in a rhythmical motion

I don't want to be skinny again, I looked like a skeleton at my lowest weight and I certainly wasn't healthy

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You never hear people criticising drug users, smokers?...

People are free to make their personal choices and others are free to judge and comment on them. Kind of like a forum.

Do a quick search on here and see how often other lifestyle choices are singled out compared with how often we see fat bashing threads.

You'll see that fat bashing happens every day or two. Criticism of any other lifestyle choice is rarer. Bareback sex is probably the next most vilified.

I disagree it's ok to judge and comment on others. Mind your own business. "

But that's probably because it's more topical on here.

There are more fat people on here, and actually fat people are celebrated by many on here. Drug users aren't so they're less likely to be a topic.

If you don't like discussing it you don't have to - do you?

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Seems to me some people should be looking at their own faults before telling other people what they're doing wrong and how they should live their lives.

Sound advice.

Try it."

lol The standard response of someone who can't defend their judgemental bollocks and doesn't have a better answer.

I'm well aware of my faults. It ain't me judging other people or telling them how they should live.

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over a year ago

"Seems to me some people should be looking at their own faults before telling other people what they're doing wrong and how they should live their lives.

Sound advice.

Try it.

lol The standard response of someone who can't defend their judgemental bollocks and doesn't have a better answer.

I'm well aware of my faults. It ain't me judging other people or telling them how they should live.

Want to point out the bit of my argument I didn't defend?

I've answered every question put to me I think.

You on the other hand have mostly moaned about how much this topic is discussed and yet seem desperate to fuel further debate on it.

Perhaps you have an issue with will power?..

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over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

You never hear people criticising drug users, smokers?...

People are free to make their personal choices and others are free to judge and comment on them. Kind of like a forum.

Do a quick search on here and see how often other lifestyle choices are singled out compared with how often we see fat bashing threads.

You'll see that fat bashing happens every day or two. Criticism of any other lifestyle choice is rarer. Bareback sex is probably the next most vilified.

I disagree it's ok to judge and comment on others. Mind your own business.

But that's probably because it's more topical on here.

There are more fat people on here, and actually fat people are celebrated by many on here. Drug users aren't so they're less likely to be a topic.

If you don't like discussing it you don't have to - do you?"

And all the other unhealthy behaviours I mentioned above?

As an example, I repeat, a lot of athletes have a BMI in the overweight or obese range due to muscle. It places strain on their organs and joints. But it's not unattractive...

Some people on here will binge drink or drink too much. Some smoke. Some have a poor diet despite being slim. It's discussed far less often despite being just as relevant here.

Easy targets.

Nobody is perfect. Not even you.

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"AGAIN I state I am not speaking about those who overindulge but those who have a condition. I am telling you NOT to look at fat people and assume it is because of overindulgence.

Also be aware that some people are fat, again not due to overindulgence but their diet is inadequate.

And YES we do have some fat people who eat the wrong foods and/or overindulge!

Bottom line is: don't look and judge.

They do over-indulge. Of course they do!

If it were the case that some humans simply put weight on there would be fat people everywhere. There aren't.

As for the 'bottom line' that's silly advice. Of course people should look and judge, only idiots don't.

I'd rather be a damn idiot than a judgemental arsehole.

Metabolic dysfunctions rules out the once known fact of: "you put n weight it's because you eat too much and do too little".

Take a look at the World Health Organisation advice for tackling obesity.

It references nothing about dysfunctions or predispositions. It does refer to an energy imbalance and eating shit food."

Look at causes and yes it states the above as the fundamental cause (note not the only cause). More genetic research is needed. It also has articles which rubbishes your claims above (the rich are fat in other countries, and the poor skinny) as a blanket statement of course!

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You never hear people criticising drug users, smokers?...

People are free to make their personal choices and others are free to judge and comment on them. Kind of like a forum.

Do a quick search on here and see how often other lifestyle choices are singled out compared with how often we see fat bashing threads.

You'll see that fat bashing happens every day or two. Criticism of any other lifestyle choice is rarer. Bareback sex is probably the next most vilified.

I disagree it's ok to judge and comment on others. Mind your own business.

But that's probably because it's more topical on here.

There are more fat people on here, and actually fat people are celebrated by many on here. Drug users aren't so they're less likely to be a topic.

If you don't like discussing it you don't have to - do you?

And all the other unhealthy behaviours I mentioned above?

As an example, I repeat, a lot of athletes have a BMI in the overweight or obese range due to muscle. It places strain on their organs and joints. But it's not unattractive...

Some people on here will binge drink or drink too much. Some smoke. Some have a poor diet despite being slim. It's discussed far less often despite being just as relevant here.

Easy targets.

Nobody is perfect. Not even you."

It's not as relevant while there are specific events for BBW.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Seems to me some people should be looking at their own faults before telling other people what they're doing wrong and how they should live their lives.

Sound advice.

Try it.

lol The standard response of someone who can't defend their judgemental bollocks and doesn't have a better answer.

I'm well aware of my faults. It ain't me judging other people or telling them how they should live.

Want to point out the bit of my argument I didn't defend?

I've answered every question put to me I think.

You on the other hand have mostly moaned about how much this topic is discussed and yet seem desperate to fuel further debate on it.

Perhaps you have an issue with will power?.."

Perhaps you have a problem with putting words in people's mouths and stirring up shit for the hell of it. Like on the Domination thread.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

You never hear people criticising drug users, smokers?...

People are free to make their personal choices and others are free to judge and comment on them. Kind of like a forum.

Do a quick search on here and see how often other lifestyle choices are singled out compared with how often we see fat bashing threads.

You'll see that fat bashing happens every day or two. Criticism of any other lifestyle choice is rarer. Bareback sex is probably the next most vilified.

I disagree it's ok to judge and comment on others. Mind your own business.

But that's probably because it's more topical on here.

There are more fat people on here, and actually fat people are celebrated by many on here. Drug users aren't so they're less likely to be a topic.

If you don't like discussing it you don't have to - do you?

And all the other unhealthy behaviours I mentioned above?

As an example, I repeat, a lot of athletes have a BMI in the overweight or obese range due to muscle. It places strain on their organs and joints. But it's not unattractive...

Some people on here will binge drink or drink too much. Some smoke. Some have a poor diet despite being slim. It's discussed far less often despite being just as relevant here.

Easy targets.

Nobody is perfect. Not even you.

It's not as relevant while there are specific events for BBW."

Rubbish.

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over a year ago

"Look at causes and yes it states the above as the fundamental cause (note not the only cause). More genetic research is needed. It also has articles which rubbishes your claims above (the rich are fat in other countries, and the poor skinny) as a blanket statement of course!"

Of course it's rubbish as a blanket statement. But it's a simple fact that in poor communities in some countries there are NO fat people. In poor areas in this country there are plenty of fat people.

Is that due to genetics? Or is it more likely due to crap food, lack of activity and cultural norms?

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over a year ago

"AGAIN I state I am not speaking about those who overindulge but those who have a condition. I am telling you NOT to look at fat people and assume it is because of overindulgence.

Also be aware that some people are fat, again not due to overindulgence but their diet is inadequate.

And YES we do have some fat people who eat the wrong foods and/or overindulge!

Bottom line is: don't look and judge.

They do over-indulge. Of course they do!

If it were the case that some humans simply put weight on there would be fat people everywhere. There aren't.

As for the 'bottom line' that's silly advice. Of course people should look and judge, only idiots don't.

I'd rather be a damn idiot than a judgemental arsehole.

Metabolic dysfunctions rules out the once known fact of: "you put n weight it's because you eat too much and do too little".

Take a look at the World Health Organisation advice for tackling obesity.

It references nothing about dysfunctions or predispositions. It does refer to an energy imbalance and eating shit food."

The problem with people eating shit food is it's either cheap. Convenient or just too nice to not eat. I'm not a sweet or dessert person but I eat easy carbs. I know why I put on so much weight and the impact it's having on my body. I don't like it so I'm doing something about it. Very slowly but it is working. It gets harder to lose weight as you get older because you slow down. We are becoming a lazy planet where cooking fresh food is concerned. Some people don't have much time to cook fresh food with work, homework and after school clubs. My niece spends Sunday cooking and freezing meals for the week

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Of course it's rubbish as a blanket statement. But it's a simple fact that in poor communities in some countries there are NO fat people. In poor areas in this country there are plenty of fat people.

Is that due to genetics? Or is it more likely due to crap food, lack of activity and cultural norms?"

I notice that you have backtracked on one of your statements re fat = over-eating and not enough mobility. You now accept that poor diet (which doe NOT mean overeating) has a huge influence.

Now you just need to accept that certain dysfunctions attribute, however small a percentage, to the overweight people in this society.

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over a year ago

"But it's a simple fact that in poor communities in some countries there are NO fat people. "

Another blanket statement. I would play safe and state few fat people if I were you, because unless you have been to every poor community in every country, then you have NOT made an accurate statement.

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over a year ago

I love how people state facts

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Of course it's rubbish as a blanket statement. But it's a simple fact that in poor communities in some countries there are NO fat people. In poor areas in this country there are plenty of fat people.

Is that due to genetics? Or is it more likely due to crap food, lack of activity and cultural norms?

I notice that you have backtracked on one of your statements re fat = over-eating and not enough mobility. You now accept that poor diet (which doe NOT mean overeating) has a huge influence.

Now you just need to accept that certain dysfunctions attribute, however small a percentage, to the overweight people in this society.

Let's not try to muddy the pool. I hardly need to back track on a basic fact.

If you over-eat you will get fat.

If you eat poor quality food you may get fat and will affect your health.

I have accepted dysfunctions may have a bearing in so far as some people perhaps put weight on more readily. That does not change the fact that they simply need to eat less and do more.

All of this is personal to our own lifestyle and choices.

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over a year ago

"But it's a simple fact that in poor communities in some countries there are NO fat people.

Well I've been to a fair few over the past 18 years in both developed and developing nations.

There's a stark difference. It is a fact that it's what I've seen.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Certain people on this thread only care about people being fat because it's aesthetically displeasing to them and doesn't suit their standards of how people should be. One has even admitted it matters only because there's one less fittie available.

The claim it's about health is bollocks. It's self-interest and entitlement, not altruistic concern for the health of strangers.

Too damned bad. I'm not changing to fit somebody else's standards. Especially when I have zero respect for that person because of their attitude and opinions.

Gotta love people who think every other person put on the planet is there for their benefit and has a responsibility to meet their standards.

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By *all-Eddies QosCouple
over a year ago

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I am also rather round, I physically wipe the floor with friends of mine who are slim and fit and healthy.....we was carrying heavy metal dungeon furniture up 4 flights of stairs....they keeled over and I didn't.

I exercise, and don't smoke.....they dont exercise and smoke heavily and it shows.

It's not good to be fat but there are worse things to be.

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