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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

For all the arguments I saw on the telly about how this would just ruin as many businesses as it would help, I never heard the word AUSTERITY.

If the government can't afford to keep so many public services, how can they afford FORTY-THREE BILLION POUNDS (a cost which is already calculated could easily double)?

Just wanted to throw that out there!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For all the arguments I saw on the telly about how this would just ruin as many businesses as it would help, I never heard the word AUSTERITY.

If the government can't afford to keep so many public services, how can they afford FORTY-THREE BILLION POUNDS (a cost which is already calculated could easily double)?

Just wanted to throw that out there!"

Gotta speculate to accumulate

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

The only fact is that it will cost at least 43 billion. The research that shows that the government will gain an extra £2.30 for every £1 spent is based on flawed data, a minor example being the farmer who was on TV today whose farm and ancient oak tree will be destroyed. He won't benefit. I'm not at all convinced that HS2 is a good use of public resources. I can think of more directly beneficial uses of £43b.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"For all the arguments I saw on the telly about how this would just ruin as many businesses as it would help, I never heard the word AUSTERITY.

If the government can't afford to keep so many public services, how can they afford FORTY-THREE BILLION POUNDS (a cost which is already calculated could easily double)?

Just wanted to throw that out there!

Gotta speculate to accumulate "

Gotta make people desperate to build train tracks though?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can't understand how civil engineering companies can invoice for more than the contractually agreed price.

We deal with MOD and Government depts and our contracts are so tight they fookin' squeak.

Every building job always costs more than the tender price.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"The only fact is that it will cost at least 43 billion. The research that shows that the government will gain an extra £2.30 for every £1 spent is based on flawed data, a minor example being the farmer who was on TV today whose farm and ancient oak tree will be destroyed. He won't benefit. I'm not at all convinced that HS2 is a good use of public resources. I can think of more directly beneficial uses of £43b. "

Thanks Steve, i saw that too. Granted they dont build railways like they build motorways, but it's not worth destroying businesses to hope that others flourish if they count on having promises delivered to their doorsteps, right?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The thing that amazes me is, who is going to produce all the extra electricity it will need ???

The powers that be are all ready saying we cant produce enough to supply what we use now.

Unless of course it will be French electricity, supplied via a new cable they are secretly going to install.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I can't understand how civil engineering companies can invoice for more than the contractually agreed price.

We deal with MOD and Government depts and our contracts are so tight they fookin' squeak.

Every building job always costs more than the tender price."

Because time is money and England is rainy lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"The thing that amazes me is, who is going to produce all the extra electricity it will need ???

The powers that be are all ready saying we cant produce enough to supply what we use now.

Unless of course it will be French electricity, supplied via a new cable they are secretly going to install."

DAMN!!! How did I not think of that

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

they will have their 'experts' at ATOS and Capita take away the benefits from folks whose Consultants have diagnosed with various disabilities..

that will help..

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

If it gets built I'm never gonna use it anyway. A one man armchair anarchist, me.

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By *punkloverCouple
over a year ago

hatfield

Everything they quote is rubbish, Wembley, Olympics etc, God knows why they quote an amount when it always goes thru the roof !

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"The only fact is that it will cost at least 43 billion. The research that shows that the government will gain an extra £2.30 for every £1 spent is based on flawed data, a minor example being the farmer who was on TV today whose farm and ancient oak tree will be destroyed. He won't benefit. I'm not at all convinced that HS2 is a good use of public resources. I can think of more directly beneficial uses of £43b. "

the actual losses to many parts of the country which HS2 deigned not to initially publish will also increase the costs..

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By *razilnutsMan
over a year ago

York

To be the devil's advocate, what would be the alternative to the dwindling capacity of the existing rail infrastructure? We can't just fit more trains into the existing lines.

Like any project of this size, some of the benefits will only be seen in a few generations.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"they will have their 'experts' at ATOS and Capita take away the benefits from folks whose Consultants have diagnosed with various disabilities..

that will help..

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I have a few hatchets to bury in ATOS...

I mean with ATOS

Fucking pricks!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the figure are indeed true, shouldn't there be a very long line of private investors.

I mean how many chances do you get to double your money these days.

£1 investment give a return of £2.30

Maybe the government should build it and make enough to pay off the national debt in around 10 years years.As an added bonus all those new jobs created paying tax and NI as well.

Sounds like a bloody gold mine for any government.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

with the costs of train travel in this country i would be surprised if anyone could afford to ride on these trains apart from the rich

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"with the costs of train travel in this country i would be surprised if anyone could afford to ride on these trains apart from the rich "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"with the costs of train travel in this country i would be surprised if anyone could afford to ride on these trains apart from the rich

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It will just widen the area people will commute to London from.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well with the estimated completion date around 2045,it will be my great grand kids that use it.

Anyone got £46.5 billion spare I can borrow,pay you back about £100 billion in 2075 if the cost of Electricity doesnt go up to much

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"with the costs of train travel in this country i would be surprised if anyone could afford to ride on these trains apart from the rich

It will just widen the area people will commute to London from."

And expand cities and towns and shrink the countryside even more IF business booms between cities and towns, which we actually can't afford, as primary industry is in more and more trouble each year. If we lose the country, we literally lose the country. But that would only be a realistic threat to the govt. once it's too late

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All that money and disruption just to get somewhere an hour quicker,and who is going to afford to use it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And when it's finished it will be 30 years behind the Japanese and French equivalents

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"All that money and disruption just to get somewhere an hour quicker,and who is going to afford to use it."

Quite. I don't think lack of speed is the problem, generally speaking, I'd say it was rail reliability. If HS2 was a good idea, more people would be in favour of it. The majority can't be wrong.

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