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By *B9 Queen OP Woman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

To those 'hang em' types who seemingly only need hearsay and rumour to convict someone I will say one name: Bijan Ebrahim.

A shocking and shameful case in the news right now but most likely ignored in favour of David Smith's suicide.

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By *hyllyphyllyMan
over a year ago

Bradford

I agree, you are innocent until proven guilty

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He was the disabled guy beaten to death by a couple of guys who thought he was a paedophile wasn't he.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To those 'hang em' types who seemingly only need hearsay and rumour to convict someone I will say one name: Bijan Ebrahim.

A shocking and shameful case in the news right now but most likely ignored in favour of David Smith's suicide. "

A horrendous case

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

The guys thought he was a paedophile, can't compare to the other case as the evidence was gigantic amongst him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To those 'hang em' types who seemingly only need hearsay and rumour to convict someone I will say one name: Bijan Ebrahim.

A shocking and shameful case in the news right now but most likely ignored in favour of David Smith's suicide. "

Im not a hang em type person believe it or not but David Smith wasn't wrongly accused of being pedophile he had 22 convictions for sexual offences against young boys. Big difference !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To those 'hang em' types who seemingly only need hearsay and rumour to convict someone I will say one name: Bijan Ebrahim.

A shocking and shameful case in the news right now but most likely ignored in favour of David Smith's suicide.

Im not a hang em type person believe it or not but David Smith wasn't wrongly accused of being pedophile he had 22 convictions for sexual offences against young boys. Big difference !!"

old convictions do not equate to new guilt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To those 'hang em' types who seemingly only need hearsay and rumour to convict someone I will say one name: Bijan Ebrahim.

A shocking and shameful case in the news right now but most likely ignored in favour of David Smith's suicide.

Im not a hang em type person believe it or not but David Smith wasn't wrongly accused of being pedophile he had 22 convictions for sexual offences against young boys. Big difference !!

old convictions do not equate to new guilt"

with these type of previous convictions people will always think the worst, as you have rightly said in another post that just because he had 22 convictions it doesnt mean it was with 22 different people, but because of the nature of the crime then mud sticks

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By *B9 Queen OP Woman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"He was the disabled guy beaten to death by a couple of guys who thought he was a paedophile wasn't he.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

Not really you are responding to scare and fear tactics employed by the msm

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

an innocent man would not commit suicide ,i will never feel sorry for anyone who has been charged with crimes against minors no matter how long ago it was !

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Innocent men, and women, take their own lives every day.

Suicide isn't the preserve of the guilty mind.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Truly appalling. Better to hope for the best in people, until shown otherwise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"an innocent man would not commit suicide ,i will never feel sorry for anyone who has been charged with crimes against minors no matter how long ago it was !"

Sorry, but his cause of death is unknown! Meaning it could be a heart attack, or any other natural cause. Not neccissarily suicide!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"an innocent man would not commit suicide ,i will never feel sorry for anyone who has been charged with crimes against minors no matter how long ago it was !"

not being personal, but that is utter shite!

maybe he couldnt face a court case and have his hostorical conviction dragged into the public domain?

maybe he was just an old man that couldnt face it all?

unless you have an insight into this particular case, or indeed any other account of suicide then you may well need to keep such short sighted opinions to yourself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Relating this thread to the bring back capital punishment thread, I stated in favour of it in cases of serial killers where the evidence is overwhelming in MORE than one case, to decrease the potential for miscarriage of justice. Likewise with repeat sexual offenders, justice should be more strict (eg: three strikes and you're out, or rather in for life). It should be doing exactly what the legal system is designed to do: punish the guilty (rehab if possible), protect the public (even more so in the cases of the vulnerable) and deter others.

If justice served it's purpose then there could be less occurrences of vigilantism.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"an innocent man would not commit suicide ,i will never feel sorry for anyone who has been charged with crimes against minors no matter how long ago it was !

not being personal, but that is utter shite!

maybe he couldnt face a court case and have his hostorical conviction dragged into the public domain?

maybe he was just an old man that couldnt face it all?

unless you have an insight into this particular case, or indeed any other account of suicide then you may well need to keep such short sighted opinions to yourself"

He is stating he would feel no sympathy for an ex con, so why should he keep that to himself? It's not as though he has expressed advocacy for hanging the guy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Relating this thread to the bring back capital punishment thread, I stated in favour of it in cases of serial killers where the evidence is overwhelming in MORE than one case, to decrease the potential for miscarriage of justice. Likewise with repeat sexual offenders, justice should be more strict (eg: three strikes and you're out, or rather in for life). It should be doing exactly what the legal system is designed to do: punish the guilty (rehab if possible), protect the public (even more so in the cases of the vulnerable) and deter others.

If justice served it's purpose then there could be less occurrences of vigilantism. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He was the disabled guy beaten to death by a couple of guys who thought he was a paedophile wasn't he.

No they beat him unconscious then poured white spirit over him and burned him to death. A mediaeval punishment in an allegedly enlightened age. Which no doubts suits plenty of the 'hang em' type argument. "
Ms DB you are peeing in the wind! Some folks love the lynch mob mentality as its easy and requires little thought to try and see the bigger picture!

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By *uriouskinky2Couple
over a year ago

wrexham

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"an innocent man would not commit suicide ,i will never feel sorry for anyone who has been charged with crimes against minors no matter how long ago it was !"

charged..?

as in not yet convicted by due process or found innocent by the same..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"an innocent man would not commit suicide ,i will never feel sorry for anyone who has been charged with crimes against minors no matter how long ago it was !

not being personal, but that is utter shite!

maybe he couldnt face a court case and have his hostorical conviction dragged into the public domain?

maybe he was just an old man that couldnt face it all?

unless you have an insight into this particular case, or indeed any other account of suicide then you may well need to keep such short sighted opinions to yourself

He is stating he would feel no sympathy for an ex con, so why should he keep that to himself? It's not as though he has expressed advocacy for hanging the guy."

I get picked on here a lot for my _iews lol the lounge gang take all their cushions and throw them in my general direction

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I get picked on here a lot for my _iews lol the lounge gang take all their cushions and throw them in my general direction

People talk about lynch mob mentality but I see a lot of herd mentality - two sides of the same coin but supposedly a different faction or a coin with two heads?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

there are many keyboard warriors and vigilantes who jump from band wagon to band wagon.

While their passion might be strong their forward thinking is often sadly lacking and I fine many of these people who also induldge in "name and shame" often have sad lives

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"there are many keyboard warriors and vigilantes who jump from band wagon to band wagon.

While their passion might be strong their forward thinking is often sadly lacking and I fine many of these people who also induldge in "name and shame" often have sad lives"

Passion can interfere with rationality, it's true.

Referring to your first paragraph and my last post, I believe we are drawn to similar energies (being spiritual I would believe that), and this energy draws us in. Hence in a debate a thread can be seen as having distinct opposing _iews (even those of us who try to maintain a balance find it hard not to appear to be on one side or the other).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"there are many keyboard warriors and vigilantes who jump from band wagon to band wagon.

While their passion might be strong their forward thinking is often sadly lacking and I fine many of these people who also induldge in "name and shame" often have sad lives

Passion can interfere with rationality, it's true.

I thought this was a happy place for happy people... free love n all that ! all i see today is chat about death and justice and ...come on people smile and be happy its nearly xmas you'll all be skint soon and be moaning about the price of mince pies

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"there are many keyboard warriors and vigilantes who jump from band wagon to band wagon.

While their passion might be strong their forward thinking is often sadly lacking and I fine many of these people who also induldge in "name and shame" often have sad lives"

And all too often something to hide themselves.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Getting back to Bijan Ebrahimi - just how many cowards does it take to burn an innocent disabled man to death?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You get all the mince pie offers in October - and their expiry date = BEFORE Christmas. That's a bit of an injustice

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

You get all the mince pie offers in October - and their expiry date = BEFORE Christmas. That's a bit of an injustice

We do, indeed, live in a terrible world.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Getting back to Bijan Ebrahimi - just how many cowards does it take to burn an innocent disabled man to death?"

Where is the mob wanting to lynch the murderers?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To those 'hang em' types who seemingly only need hearsay and rumour to convict someone I will say one name: Bijan Ebrahim.

A shocking and shameful case in the news right now but most likely ignored in favour of David Smith's suicide. "

Some nasty bastards out there who jump in without facts or any thought. I still wouldn't hang them though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To those 'hang em' types who seemingly only need hearsay and rumour to convict someone I will say one name: Bijan Ebrahim.

A shocking and shameful case in the news right now but most likely ignored in favour of David Smith's suicide.

Some nasty bastards out there who jump in without facts or any thought. I still wouldn't hang them though."

what would be your solution ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To those 'hang em' types who seemingly only need hearsay and rumour to convict someone I will say one name: Bijan Ebrahim.

A shocking and shameful case in the news right now but most likely ignored in favour of David Smith's suicide. "

You read stories like this and wonder if people have been brought up properly they need reeducation as well as a long term inside.

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"an innocent man would not commit suicide ,i will never feel sorry for anyone who has been charged with crimes against minors no matter how long ago it was !"

An innocent man would not commit suicide.

Tell that to someone with say learning difficulties and a crowd of vigilantes out side their house.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"an innocent man would not commit suicide ,i will never feel sorry for anyone who has been charged with crimes against minors no matter how long ago it was !

An innocent man would not commit suicide.

Tell that to someone with say learning difficulties and a crowd of vigilantes out side their house.

ok show me where thr vigilantes are at

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By *B9 Queen OP Woman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"an innocent man would not commit suicide ,i will never feel sorry for anyone who has been charged with crimes against minors no matter how long ago it was !

An innocent man would not commit suicide.

Tell that to someone with say learning difficulties and a crowd of vigilantes out side their house.

ok show me where thr vigilantes are at "

Note the original post. Try googling the name and read the full story. You will find that it was the majority of his own neighbours who turned on him though it was just two men who murdered him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

what are world we live in!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Burglars, car thieves, even druggies and muderers can all repent and change their ways, if they wish. Paedophiles are programmed to reoffend by the nature of the 'condition', despite imprisonment, counselling, 'treatment' ( the very vast majority) so by that reason and the fact the guy was chosen to run the most prolific paedophile this country has lnown, around to visits, why howl ' until proven' at us? He deserves absolutely no compassion, however he died.

Let's not forget how many lives he and others like him, destroyed and affected forever. That stuff does not go away.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Reading posters _iews and opinions, certainly makes it easier to select the guys you would not want to meet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reading posters _iews and opinions, certainly makes it easier to select the guys you would not want to meet.

I'm sure they're all gutted btw!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reading posters _iews and opinions, certainly makes it easier to select the guys you would not want to meet.

I'm sure they're all gutted btw!

they have very few feelings so would not expect an emotional response

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Feelings for whom- murdered chap or person who died before trial?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

feelings in general, or empathy.

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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago

Retirement Village

Please forgive my ignorance but whom was it that got killed

Been in my own little bubble for the last week or so and have no clue about current events and news

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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago

Retirement Village

"Please forgive my ignorance but whom was it that got killed

Been in my own little bubble for the last week or so and have no clue about current events and news

ignore me. i just googled the poor chaps name and feel physically sick

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Burglars, car thieves, even druggies and muderers can all repent and change their ways, if they wish. Paedophiles are programmed to reoffend by the nature of the 'condition', despite imprisonment, counselling, 'treatment' ( the very vast majority) so by that reason and the fact the guy was chosen to run the most prolific paedophile this country has lnown, around to visits, why howl ' until proven' at us? He deserves absolutely no compassion, however he died.

Let's not forget how many lives he and others like him, destroyed and affected forever. That stuff does not go away."

You're wrong.

First off the BBC report stated he did not chauffeur JS.

Secondly - over the last 25 years I have seen the term paedophile to cover any person who has sex with children. That many years ago the term was only applied to people who believed they have done nothing wrong in having sex with children. It is this group that will not/cannot rehabilitate because of their mindset. Give them a conscience and let them feel guilt, then you have half a chance.

The other group of people have a "defect" in their make-up that has allowed an act of self-gratification to over-rule societal rules/laws. The same with some rapists. They do feel guilt if they do not go into denial. They may also condemn other perpetrators of the act. "Success" of such an offence may lead to more.

There are grey areas. All I am trying to state is there are some who won't go onto offend and others who will. It's just extremely complicated and one needs to look into the psychological make-up of these guys. SOME may have been victims themselves. THIS will never excuse them becoming abusers but distorted their perception of right and wrong. Therapy is needed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Back to Ibrahimi, it's a shame ALL those who rallied to defend the potential innocence of the BBC driver and those who condemned him, haven't expressed the outrage of an innocent being murdered.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Back to Ibrahimi, it's a shame ALL those who rallied to defend the potential innocence of the BBC driver and those who condemned him, haven't expressed the outrage of an innocent being murdered."

For some, the fact he's got a foreign sounding name is proof enough of guilt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Back to Ibrahimi, it's a shame ALL those who rallied to defend the potential innocence of the BBC driver and those who condemned him, haven't expressed the outrage of an innocent being murdered."

I wasn't even aware until this thread was started but yes it is a sad sad outcome.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"feelings in general, or empathy."

How in the bloody hell would you know how anyone feels?

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"Back to Ibrahimi, it's a shame ALL those who rallied to defend the potential innocence of the BBC driver and those who condemned him, haven't expressed the outrage of an innocent being murdered.

For some, the fact he's got a foreign sounding name is proof enough of guilt."

nail on the head

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Therapy is needed."

Paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder. There is no cure. Treatment has very low success rate. Do paedophiles really deserve these resources potentially wasted on them? How many victims have the same ready access to counselling and help?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Therapy is needed.

I'd have thought ALL victims are offered counselling.

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"Therapy is needed.

So someone who has a psychiatric problem should be killed? Why stop there....fire up the gas chambers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where did I say that? I actually think depriving them of their freedom in a psychiatric unit for the term of their life is a much worse/suitable punishment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Therapy is needed.

I'd have thought ALL victims are offered counselling. "

Only if they seek it or go to the police. How many never tell a soul and after some of the _iews expressed here, I can see why they don't, quite frankly.

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"Where did I say that? I actually think depriving them of their freedom in a psychiatric unit for the term of their life is a much worse/suitable punishment."

Thank god for that. Theres enough nut jobs on here who would impose the death penalty for littering

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Where did I say that? I actually think depriving them of their freedom in a psychiatric unit for the term of their life is a much worse/suitable punishment."

By 'them', I mean paedophiles, for the avoidance of doubt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Therapy is needed.

Paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder. There is no cure. Treatment has very low success rate. "

And the backdrop of your statement is?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's basically saying- you are wrong.

This thread is about one person's wrongful death. Let's keep it at that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd have thought ALL victims are offered counselling.

Only if they seek it or go to the police. How many never tell a soul and after some of the _iews expressed here, I can see why they don't, quite frankly."

There is not enough availability on the NHS for every abuse victim to receive the counselling they deserve.

Victims have a variety of reasons why they do not come forward - they are unaware of being abused, they have been threatened/manipulated not to tell, they have the fear of not being believed, they fear the processes involved (such as police/court), they love the abuser...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's basically saying- you are wrong.

This thread is about one person's wrongful death. Let's keep it at that."

Is that to me?

If it is then I assume you have nothing to back up your statement!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Therapy is needed.

I'd have thought ALL victims are offered counselling.

Only if they seek it or go to the police. How many never tell a soul and after some of the _iews expressed here, I can see why they don't, quite frankly."

Isn't that my point though? ALL victims are offered support and counselling when reporting the crime!

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"Where did I say that? I actually think depriving them of their freedom in a psychiatric unit for the term of their life is a much worse/suitable punishment."
problem is all the psychiatric hospitals have been closed down and the land sold to "property developers " so where ae you gong to put tham all ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Therapy is needed.

I watched a program on Broadmoor the other day (mostly because I grew up in the town it is) and they stated that chemical castration is a highly effective treatment for paedophilia.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Where did I say that? I actually think depriving them of their freedom in a psychiatric unit for the term of their life is a much worse/suitable punishment.problem is all the psychiatric hospitals have been closed down and the land sold to "property developers " so where ae you gong to put tham all ?"

With Ian Brady

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I feel sympathy for the abused and those who were abused and become abusers ... They need support and help and punishment where required

The rest the judicial process can deal with.

The vigilantes make me laugh... Great in a group... 121 they would likely say or do fuck all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Therapy is needed.

I watched a program on Broadmoor the other day (mostly because I grew up in the town it is) and they stated that chemical castration is a highly effective treatment for paedophilia."

Is that a treatment during their incarceration? If so the incarceration is highly effective at reducing "paedophilia".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is that a treatment during their incarceration? If so the incarceration is highly effective at reducing "paedophilia".

Pedant!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is that a treatment during their incarceration? If so the incarceration is highly effective at reducing "paedophilia".

Pedant!"

No seriously, did the programme suggest anything for those who have been released on licence? If it was a prescription, I do not know how they would enforce someone to take meds, unless part of their licence was regular blood/urine tests to prove the chemical is/was in their body, or they return to incarceration.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No seriously, did the programme suggest anything for those who have been released on licence? If it was a prescription, I do not know how they would enforce someone to take meds, unless part of their licence was regular blood/urine tests to prove the chemical is/was in their body, or they return to incarceration."

I see.

No, it was just an over_iew of the history with a few case examples (cheesy channgel 5 style) rather than being a comprehensive documentary.

I think your suggestion would make far to much sense for them to implement anyway. I'm not even too sure they still give this treatment (I forget the reasons).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's basically saying- you are wrong.

This thread is about one person's wrongful death. Let's keep it at that.

Is that to me?

If it is then I assume you have nothing to back up your statement!"

Only facts, knowledge and experience but don't let that stand in the way of your personal ideas.....

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Therapy is needed.

On your perception that 'there is no cure', there are many medical journals and reports globally where various 'success rates' have occurred in relation to treatment..

certainly some will never cease their behaviour and should be kept off the streets..

prevention rather than cure springs to mind..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's basically saying- you are wrong.

This thread is about one person's wrongful death. Let's keep it at that.

Is that to me?

If it is then I assume you have nothing to back up your statement!

Only facts, knowledge and experience but don't let that stand in the way of your personal ideas....."

funny I can say the same thing

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Keep vigilantes off the street. What we all _iew as wrong varies, and many would lynch mob transgender, gay, bi and all kinds of other aspects of healthy life that some pervert vigilantes would consider deviant and wrong.

We need to uphold high standards, and stooping to unsophisticated mob rule is not for a civilised society.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Therapy is needed.

On your perception that 'there is no cure', there are many medical journals and reports globally where various 'success rates' have occurred in relation to treatment..

certainly some will never cease their behaviour and should be kept off the streets..

prevention rather than cure springs to mind.."

Sorry to be pedantic but your post contradicts itself.

There IS no cure for paedophilia. There certainly ARE treatments, none of which have a high success rate, none of which 'cure' and all are ongoing and reliant on patient cooperation, a notoriously difficult factor with psychiatric disorders. Let's not forget that paedophilia is about more than sex, it's about domination, physical abuse and as well as paedophilia, many have other personality disorders that complicate ANY treatment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry to be pedantic but your post contradicts itself.

Not all child sex abusers are paedophiles! If you actually have knowledge in this area then you will know this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Therapy is needed.

On your perception that 'there is no cure', there are many medical journals and reports globally where various 'success rates' have occurred in relation to treatment..

certainly some will never cease their behaviour and should be kept off the streets..

prevention rather than cure springs to mind..

Sorry to be pedantic but your post contradicts itself.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

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"........ many have other personality disorders that complicate ANY treatment..

There is a cure,5.56

I wonder how many advocating such a 'solution' could actually pull the trigger.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"........ many have other personality disorders that complicate ANY treatment..

There is a cure,5.56

I wonder how many advocating such a 'solution' could actually pull the trigger."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not all child sex abusers are paedophiles! If you actually have knowledge in this area then you will know this."

And if you could read my posts, you could plainly see that I have never made that connection, nor would I. Strange, you make such a mistake, for one so knowlegeable. I'd do some CPD if I were you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not all child sex abusers are paedophiles! If you actually have knowledge in this area then you will know this.

And if you could read my posts, you could plainly see that I have never made that connection, nor would I. Strange, you make such a mistake, for one so knowlegeable. I'd do some CPD if I were you. "

All the posts I have read from you talk about paedophiles full bloody stop, so where's my mistake?

I make the distinction that not all child sex abusers are paedophiles!

The victims I have worked with in the past were NOT all abused by paedophiles. I cannot elaborate as it goes against the forum rules.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

These kind of threads say a hell of a lot about people!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"feelings in general, or empathy.

How in the bloody hell would you know how anyone feels? "

by what they say in their posts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"These kind of threads say a hell of a lot about people!!! "

Agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My point exactly. All my posts were about paedophilia because it was relevant to the neighbouring posts and added to the points being made at the time

This thread is about vigilantes and the outcome. As I said way back, let's not lose sight of that. Please.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My point exactly. All my posts were about paedophilia because it was relevant to the neighbouring posts and added to the points being made at the time

This thread is about vigilantes and the outcome. As I said way back, let's not lose sight of that. Please."

My points have been relevant due to the treatment potential.

And FYI I have tried to bring this thread back to the subject of poor Ibrahimi more than once and with less patronisation imo. Rightly or wrongly I have observed you to redirect the thread back when you've found it difficult to fully respond to a point made.

However threads do go off on a tangent, sometimes as a blessed relief and othertimes less so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I feel sympathy for the abused and those who were abused and become abusers ... They need support and help and punishment where required

Some people may think it abhorrent to have empathy with an abuser, but if you can find the reasons of the abuse, you can attempt rehab. If this results in less victims (since justice never locks the door and throws away the key, unless murder is involved), then this is an excellent thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

". Rightly or wrongly I have observed you to redirect the thread back when you've found it difficult to fully respond to a point made."

Sadly, wrongly. I have been factual, exact and straightforward in my posts and responded fully. Unfortunately, the goalposts shifted after all of my responses, meaning that they were musunderstood, intentionally or otherwise. I leave other readers to judge which ends of the professional specteum we are.

Nothing more is to be gained from this and I bow out.

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