FabSwingers.com forum: David Smith Found Dead

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Weak bastard!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Coward...but saves money on trial prison etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who is he and why is he a weak bastard?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are you presuming he was guilty or do you know for a fact he was.... ?

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

ah the lynch mob are out in force....

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

If he was savilles chauffer then he obviously knew too much.

Suicided provably

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

ex BBC driver who was standing trial as part of the jimmy saville enquiry....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Aint it good to see the guilty till proven innocent brigade out in force again on here.

Until such time as all facts are in public domain i find it pathetic that some make assumptions without knowing the facys.

Whether he was guilty of the alleged offences and alleged is the key word here no one will ever know

Lets assume the innocent till proven guilty law applies then what if the chap found pressure too much and could not continue.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Are you presuming he was guilty or do you know for a fact he was.... ?"

Not presuming anything but lets face it he was to stand trial and by the looks topped himself before it.That is a weak bastard!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ah, thank you!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

He had 22 previous convictions for similar offences. That doesn't mean he's guilty this time but a prison term after a high profile trial might have been a step too far for him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Aint it good to see the guilty till proven innocent brigade out in force again on here.

Until such time as all facts are in public domain i find it pathetic that some make assumptions without knowing the facys.

Whether he was guilty of the alleged offences and alleged is the key word here no one will ever know

Lets assume the innocent till proven guilty law applies then what if the chap found pressure too much and could not continue."

BBC story reports prolilic historical abuse. On that basis his innocence looks unlikely.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"Aint it good to see the guilty till proven innocent brigade out in force again on here.

Until such time as all facts are in public domain i find it pathetic that some make assumptions without knowing the facys.

Whether he was guilty of the alleged offences and alleged is the key word here no one will ever know

Lets assume the innocent till proven guilty law applies then what if the chap found pressure too much and could not continue."

Have you any idea of what saville etc got into???

It is beyond belief and most sickening crimes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are you presuming he was guilty or do you know for a fact he was.... ?

Not presuming anything but lets face it he was to stand trial and by the looks topped himself before it.That is a weak bastard!!!!"

Aye ok, very good. What's on page 2 of the mail today?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Or even prolific

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"Are you presuming he was guilty or do you know for a fact he was.... ?

Not presuming anything but lets face it he was to stand trial and by the looks topped himself before it.That is a weak bastard!!!!"

cause of death UNKNOWN he was not a spritley young bloke it could be anything heart attack etc...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are you presuming he was guilty or do you know for a fact he was.... ?

Not presuming anything but lets face it he was to stand trial and by the looks topped himself before it.That is a weak bastard!!!!"

But he may have been innocent of all charges and just unable to cope with the vitriol aimed at him by people who are willing to assume his guilt without trial….

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are you presuming he was guilty or do you know for a fact he was.... ?

Not presuming anything but lets face it he was to stand trial and by the looks topped himself before it.That is a weak bastard!!!!"

what a horrible thing to say, what happened to innocent until proved guilty

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

IF suicide would it still be a horrible thing to say?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Are you presuming he was guilty or do you know for a fact he was.... ?

Not presuming anything but lets face it he was to stand trial and by the looks topped himself before it.That is a weak bastard!!!!

what a horrible thing to say, what happened to innocent until proved guilty"

That doesn't seem to apply for certain crimes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

IF suicide, IF guilty, he's saved the public some expense... Or has he? Investigations may continue. Other victims may come to light.

IF guilty, it's a shame he's dead. A trial and conviction should make other historical perpetrators quake in their sick little boots.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"IF suicide would it still be a horrible thing to say?"

Yes indeed it would, anyone who is so unbalanced needed help.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Someone at the BBC off'd him to cover up.

*Puts on tinfoil hat*

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

If anyone is interested in the crimes Saville and co did check out David icke jimmy Saville thread.

Most amazing input and research, better than any police effort/cover up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are you presuming he was guilty or do you know for a fact he was.... ?

Not presuming anything but lets face it he was to stand trial and by the looks topped himself before it.That is a weak bastard!!!!

what a horrible thing to say, what happened to innocent until proved guilty

That doesn't seem to apply for certain crimes."

What like the crime Christopher Jefferies didn't commit?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whatever happened to him..He is now not gonna cost the taxpayer a trial..that can only be a good thing...he has previous so was not a nice person...

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"Whatever happened to him..He is now not gonna cost the taxpayer a trial..that can only be a good thing...he has previous so was not a nice person..."

Dead men don't talk

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The guy was a previously convicted sex offender.

Sorry but IMHO he lost his right to "innocent until proven guilty" way back when he decided to offend the first time.

For that, he and every other child abuser deserve to have their lives scrutinised at every turn.

However he died, it's a good thing, saves the tax payer money.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The guy was a previously convicted sex offender.

Sorry but IMHO he lost his right to "innocent until proven guilty" way back when he decided to offend the first time.

For that, he and every other child abuser deserve to have their lives scrutinised at every turn.

However he died, it's a good thing, saves the tax payer money."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whatever happened to him..He is now not gonna cost the taxpayer a trial..that can only be a good thing...he has previous so was not a nice person..."

Had he already served his punishment for this "previous"?

Or do you assume there is no such thing as a reformed character....?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"IF suicide, IF guilty, he's saved the public some expense... Or has he? Investigations may continue. Other victims may come to light.

IF guilty, it's a shame he's dead. A trial and conviction should make other historical perpetrators quake in their sick little boots."

Unfortunately it wouldn't. Few criminals ever entertain the thought of being caught.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The guy was a previously convicted sex offender."

if he was convicted, he served his sentence, that's the law,

To slag people off without evidence or proof is wrong, we all have opinions,

but that is all they can be now.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"The guy was a previously convicted sex offender.

Sorry but IMHO he lost his right to "innocent until proven guilty" way back when he decided to offend the first time.

For that, he and every other child abuser deserve to have their lives scrutinised at every turn.

However he died, it's a good thing, saves the tax payer money."

Scrutinised at every turn is very different to 'automatically found guilty'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not for a nonse no....once a nonse.....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The guy was a previously convicted sex offender.

Sorry but IMHO he lost his right to "innocent until proven guilty" way back when he decided to offend the first time.

For that, he and every other child abuser deserve to have their lives scrutinised at every turn.

However he died, it's a good thing, saves the tax payer money."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Had he already served his punishment for this "previous"?

Or do you assume there is no such thing as a reformed character....?"

Peodophiles NEVER reform

Peodophiles NEVER serve their full punishment

The guy was lower than a snakes belly, just hope however he did die, it hurt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so just because he had previous, there is absolutely no chance he was reformed and was trying to keep his nose clean?

whos to say Saville didnt blackmail the fella to keep his mouth shut for all those years and used his previous as leverage against him, simply because of what is being displayed this morning.

his name is out there for all to see, so the chances of a fair trial were slim to none.

if it were suicide, i really dont blame him for taking his own life.

guilty or innocent, he would have been locked up anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""The guy was a previously convicted sex offender."

if he was convicted, he served his sentence, that's the law,

To slag people off without evidence or proof is wrong, we all have opinions,

but that is all they can be now."

22 convictions and very likely more cases that have never come to light.

He was a serial offender. Doesn't sound like he learned the price of a slap on the wrist, nor that he was reformed.

Yes he may have been innocent of THIS allegation but the likelihood is guilty!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"The guy was a previously convicted sex offender.

Sorry but IMHO he lost his right to "innocent until proven guilty" way back when he decided to offend the first time.

For that, he and every other child abuser deserve to have their lives scrutinised at every turn.

However he died, it's a good thing, saves the tax payer money."

using that same logic you could as a 17yr new driver have an accident where someone is injured..

you could then have say 30/40 yrs of unblemished driving and no other convictions etc and then be in the wrong place when a kid or a d*unk steps off the pavement in front of you..

your bang to rights..

no need to look at the cctv, do a blood alcohol level check on the daft sod who spent all day in the pub before wandering bladdered in front of you..

go to jail, go directly to jail..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If it makes people feel better to rant, at least we can see what

they really are, makes deciding who not to meet soo much easier.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so just because he had previous, there is absolutely no chance he was reformed and was trying to keep his nose clean?

whos to say Saville didnt blackmail the fella to keep his mouth shut for all those years and used his previous as leverage against him, simply because of what is being displayed this morning.

his name is out there for all to see, so the chances of a fair trial were slim to none.

if it were suicide, i really dont blame him for taking his own life.

guilty or innocent, he would have been locked up anyway."

He isn't connected to Savile.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Had he already served his punishment for this "previous"?

Or do you assume there is no such thing as a reformed character....?

Peodophiles NEVER reform

Peodophiles NEVER serve their full punishment

The guy was lower than a snakes belly, just hope however he did die, it hurt"

I agree with the point that peodophiles never serve a sufficent sentence!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Had he already served his punishment for this "previous"?

Or do you assume there is no such thing as a reformed character....?

Peodophiles NEVER reform

Peodophiles NEVER serve their full punishment

The guy was lower than a snakes belly, just hope however he did die, it hurt"

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Peodophiles NEVER reform

what a silly and ignorant thing to say

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How many of the "victims were over 18"

Just imagine how many people would be found guilty of sexual abuse in a swinging club,

just be reading the number of threads starting,

" the single guy came over and touched me, without an invitation",

would you want to drag them through the gutter press, until they were suicidal?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

waiting for the first use of the 'soft do gooders' and the 'PC brigade' as an 'opposing' position in the debate..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If it makes people feel better to rant, at least we can see what

they really are, makes deciding who not to meet soo much easier."

Good point ,must be tiresome wading through all those requests

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Peodophiles NEVER reform

what a silly and ignorant thing to say"

Hardly ever would be a conservative comment.

If you're convicted of something you do not FEEL is wrong, then how can you be rehabiltated?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Peodophiles NEVER reform

what a silly and ignorant thing to say"

I'm silly and ignorant in your opinion then, in mine I'm right, the basis for every debate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If it makes people feel better to rant, at least we can see what

they really are, makes deciding who not to meet soo much easier.

Good point ,must be tiresome wading through all those requests"

Just one more screening step. Not at all tiresome, luckily I read people for a living, it just confirms my thoughts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many of the "victims were over 18"

Just imagine how many people would be found guilty of sexual abuse in a swinging club,

just be reading the number of threads starting,

" the single guy came over and touched me, without an invitation",

would you want to drag them through the gutter press, until they were suicidal?"

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David Smith was a prolific sex offender whose first conviction was in 1966. He had 22 convictions for sexual offences against young boys.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many of the "victims were over 18"

Just imagine how many people would be found guilty of sexual abuse in a swinging club,

just be reading the number of threads starting,

" the single guy came over and touched me, without an invitation",

would you want to drag them through the gutter press, until they were suicidal?

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David Smith was a prolific sex offender whose first conviction was in 1966. He had 22 convictions for sexual offences against young boys. "

maybe the law needs changing, but it will never happen by people showing a lynch mob mentality.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Peodophiles NEVER reform

what a silly and ignorant thing to say

Hardly ever would be a conservative comment.

If you're convicted of something you do not FEEL is wrong, then how can you be rehabiltated?"

possibly yes or some, though unless one is working in that field its all guesswork..

there will be those who have never offended again, that no doubt takes resources and for the offender to accept what they did was wrong..

no doubt some of them will never see what they do as wrong, and for those who are deemed a risk then life should be away from potential victims..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Peodophiles NEVER reform

what a silly and ignorant thing to say

I'm silly and ignorant in your opinion then, in mine I'm right, the basis for every debate."

but just what do you base that viewpoint on..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many of the "victims were over 18"

Just imagine how many people would be found guilty of sexual abuse in a swinging club,

just be reading the number of threads starting,

" the single guy came over and touched me, without an invitation",

would you want to drag them through the gutter press, until they were suicidal?

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David Smith was a prolific sex offender whose first conviction was in 1966. He had 22 convictions for sexual offences against young boys.

maybe the law needs changing, but it will never happen by people showing a lynch mob mentality."

Not the law, just the application of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So the laws are adequate for this crime?

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"How many of the "victims were over 18"

Just imagine how many people would be found guilty of sexual abuse in a swinging club,

just be reading the number of threads starting,

" the single guy came over and touched me, without an invitation",

would you want to drag them through the gutter press, until they were suicidal?

Quote again

David Smith was a prolific sex offender whose first conviction was in 1966. He had 22 convictions for sexual offences against young boys.

maybe the law needs changing, but it will never happen by people showing a lynch mob mentality."

Nor a massive cover up on the grandest scale possible

as much as I love liberated sex, this draws the line on consenting adults ONLY.

all others should be castrated

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

but just what do you base that viewpoint on..?"

Why does that matter to you if you think I'm wrong? I think your wrong but I don't give a flying fig why you think your right.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So the laws are adequate for this crime?"

The law is such that sex with a minor is illegal. It's the sentencing that needs addressing.

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

A previous attempt to track down Smith in 2002 had failed when police could not find him - even though he was in prison at the time.

The words 'piss-up' and 'brewery' spring to mind.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"How many of the "victims were over 18"

Just imagine how many people would be found guilty of sexual abuse in a swinging club,

just be reading the number of threads starting,

" the single guy came over and touched me, without an invitation",

would you want to drag them through the gutter press, until they were suicidal?

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David Smith was a prolific sex offender whose first conviction was in 1966. He had 22 convictions for sexual offences against young boys.

maybe the law needs changing, but it will never happen by people showing a lynch mob mentality.

Nor a massive cover up on the grandest scale possible

as much as I love liberated sex, this draws the line on consenting adults ONLY.

all others should be castrated"

What punishment would you inflict on female sex offenders?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

surely women don't offend, they are all honey and light x

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

but just what do you base that viewpoint on..?

Why does that matter to you if you think I'm wrong? I think your wrong but I don't give a flying fig why you think your right."

you posted it publicly in the thread..

as I said above unless one works in that field we are all using guesswork in what we say..

bit like saying water is wet, we would all go no shit Sherlock..

sweeping generalisations are just that..

usually bollocks and based on ignorance, prejudice or an agenda..

rarely common sense..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

but just what do you base that viewpoint on..?

Why does that matter to you if you think I'm wrong? I think your wrong but I don't give a flying fig why you think your right.

you posted it publicly in the thread..

as I said above unless one works in that field we are all using guesswork in what we say..

bit like saying water is wet, we would all go no shit Sherlock..

sweeping generalisations are just that..

usually bollocks and based on ignorance, prejudice or an agenda..

rarely common sense.. "

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"How many of the "victims were over 18"

Just imagine how many people would be found guilty of sexual abuse in a swinging club,

just be reading the number of threads starting,

" the single guy came over and touched me, without an invitation",

would you want to drag them through the gutter press, until they were suicidal?

Quote again

David Smith was a prolific sex offender whose first conviction was in 1966. He had 22 convictions for sexual offences against young boys.

maybe the law needs changing, but it will never happen by people showing a lynch mob mentality.

Nor a massive cover up on the grandest scale possible

as much as I love liberated sex, this draws the line on consenting adults ONLY.

all others should be castrated

What punishment would you inflict on female sex offenders?"

the equivalent or as close as

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Peodophiles NEVER reform

what a silly and ignorant thing to say

Hardly ever would be a conservative comment.

If you're convicted of something you do not FEEL is wrong, then how can you be rehabiltated?

possibly yes or some, though unless one is working in that field its all guesswork..

there will be those who have never offended again, that no doubt takes resources and for the offender to accept what they did was wrong..

no doubt some of them will never see what they do as wrong, and for those who are deemed a risk then life should be away from potential victims.."

I've worked with victims not offenders. Like most issues there's a broad spectrum ranging from circumstantial perpetrators and true paedophiles. The latter will not/cannot reform.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are people who think swinging, cheating and adultery is a crime. And in some countries they are stoned to death, if found out.

In some countries homosexuality and bi sexuality is a crime punishable by death.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so just because he had previous, there is absolutely no chance he was reformed and was trying to keep his nose clean?

whos to say Saville didnt blackmail the fella to keep his mouth shut for all those years and used his previous as leverage against him, simply because of what is being displayed this morning.

his name is out there for all to see, so the chances of a fair trial were slim to none.

if it were suicide, i really dont blame him for taking his own life.

guilty or innocent, he would have been locked up anyway.

He isn't connected to Savile."

he was savilles driver, on occasion.

he may have seen things.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

"How many of the "victims were over 18"

Just imagine how many people would be found guilty of sexual abuse in a swinging club,

just be reading the number of threads starting,

" the single guy came over and touched me, without an invitation",

would you want to drag them through the gutter press, until they were suicidal?

Quote again

David Smith was a prolific sex offender whose first conviction was in 1966. He had 22 convictions for sexual offences against young boys.

maybe the law needs changing, but it will never happen by people showing a lynch mob mentality.

Nor a massive cover up on the grandest scale possible

as much as I love liberated sex, this draws the line on consenting adults ONLY.

all others should be castrated"

And who exactly would perform the castration?..please don't say you would

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many of the "victims were over 18"

Just imagine how many people would be found guilty of sexual abuse in a swinging club,

just be reading the number of threads starting,

" the single guy came over and touched me, without an invitation",

would you want to drag them through the gutter press, until they were suicidal?

Quote again

David Smith was a prolific sex offender whose first conviction was in 1966. He had 22 convictions for sexual offences against young boys.

maybe the law needs changing, but it will never happen by people showing a lynch mob mentality.

Nor a massive cover up on the grandest scale possible

as much as I love liberated sex, this draws the line on consenting adults ONLY.

all others should be castrated

And who exactly would perform the castration?..please don't say you would"

medical castration would be an answer.

rather than surgery

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are people who think swinging, cheating and adultery is a crime. And in some countries they are stoned to death, if found out.

In some countries homosexuality and bi sexuality is a crime punishable by death.

Not sure of the relevance Manrider.

People's thoughts are irrelevant. We all know different societies have different laws at different times. Take abortion, some view it as criminal even nowadays, but against the law it is not. It was once though.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"How many of the "victims were over 18"

Just imagine how many people would be found guilty of sexual abuse in a swinging club,

just be reading the number of threads starting,

" the single guy came over and touched me, without an invitation",

would you want to drag them through the gutter press, until they were suicidal?

Quote again

David Smith was a prolific sex offender whose first conviction was in 1966. He had 22 convictions for sexual offences against young boys.

maybe the law needs changing, but it will never happen by people showing a lynch mob mentality.

Nor a massive cover up on the grandest scale possible

as much as I love liberated sex, this draws the line on consenting adults ONLY.

all others should be castrated

What punishment would you inflict on female sex offenders?

the equivalent or as close as

Which would be ........?

Cut her clit off and stitch up her labia? Where have we heard that before?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

I've worked with victims not offenders. Like most issues there's a broad spectrum ranging from circumstantial perpetrators and true paedophiles. The latter will not/cannot reform."

respect your professional viewpoint..

just googled 'kia marama' a rehabilitation programme in New Zealand which over a 4 year period post treatment reported a 10% re offending rate as opposed to a 21% offending rate for others who had no rehabilitation..

think the issue is to prevent re offending which costs money, wont ever stop folk thinking what they want even when its as disgusting as this issue..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so just because he had previous, there is absolutely no chance he was reformed and was trying to keep his nose clean?

whos to say Saville didnt blackmail the fella to keep his mouth shut for all those years and used his previous as leverage against him, simply because of what is being displayed this morning.

his name is out there for all to see, so the chances of a fair trial were slim to none.

if it were suicide, i really dont blame him for taking his own life.

guilty or innocent, he would have been locked up anyway.

He isn't connected to Savile.

he was savilles driver, on occasion.

he may have seen things."

No he wasn't.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"How many of the "victims were over 18"

Just imagine how many people would be found guilty of sexual abuse in a swinging club,

just be reading the number of threads starting,

" the single guy came over and touched me, without an invitation",

would you want to drag them through the gutter press, until they were suicidal?

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David Smith was a prolific sex offender whose first conviction was in 1966. He had 22 convictions for sexual offences against young boys.

maybe the law needs changing, but it will never happen by people showing a lynch mob mentality.

Nor a massive cover up on the grandest scale possible

as much as I love liberated sex, this draws the line on consenting adults ONLY.

all others should be castrated

And who exactly would perform the castration?..please don't say you would"

If I was trained in that field yes, doctors have to do horrific, and normal things like give injections, abort, perform sex changes etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

but just what do you base that viewpoint on..?

Why does that matter to you if you think I'm wrong? I think your wrong but I don't give a flying fig why you think your right.

you posted it publicly in the thread..

as I said above unless one works in that field we are all using guesswork in what we say..

bit like saying water is wet, we would all go no shit Sherlock..

sweeping generalisations are just that..

usually bollocks and based on ignorance, prejudice or an agenda..

rarely common sense.. "

And just because someone works in that field doesn't mean they are right either.

I have no idea what drives a peodophile to act on their desires but once they do, they have tainted themselves for life, like a serial killer or a dog that has tasted blood, the fact is they know how it feels to carry out their act and will possibly do it again.

Any human ,male or female, who sexually abuse a child are a sick individual and don't deserve forgiveness ever, even after their prison sentence has been served ,they are still a person with evil running through their veins. They will always, until they die, be a peodophile and have no place in society .

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

"How many of the "victims were over 18"

Just imagine how many people would be found guilty of sexual abuse in a swinging club,

just be reading the number of threads starting,

" the single guy came over and touched me, without an invitation",

would you want to drag them through the gutter press, until they were suicidal?

Quote again

David Smith was a prolific sex offender whose first conviction was in 1966. He had 22 convictions for sexual offences against young boys.

maybe the law needs changing, but it will never happen by people showing a lynch mob mentality.

Nor a massive cover up on the grandest scale possible

as much as I love liberated sex, this draws the line on consenting adults ONLY.

all others should be castrated

And who exactly would perform the castration?..please don't say you would

medical castration would be an answer.

rather than surgery"

And who would do that within our NHS?

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Pops in, hopes that whilst disagreeing with people, no one ends up making it personal. Pops back out, to get popcorn

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"How many of the "victims were over 18"

Just imagine how many people would be found guilty of sexual abuse in a swinging club,

just be reading the number of threads starting,

" the single guy came over and touched me, without an invitation",

would you want to drag them through the gutter press, until they were suicidal?

Quote again

David Smith was a prolific sex offender whose first conviction was in 1966. He had 22 convictions for sexual offences against young boys.

maybe the law needs changing, but it will never happen by people showing a lynch mob mentality.

Nor a massive cover up on the grandest scale possible

as much as I love liberated sex, this draws the line on consenting adults ONLY.

all others should be castrated

What punishment would you inflict on female sex offenders?

the equivalent or as close as

Which would be ........?

Cut her clit off and stitch up her labia? Where have we heard that before?"

I don't know, don't care, as long as justice is done and all bring to court and face the music. Doesn't seem to be happening though.

Cover up on a grand scale

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are people who think swinging, cheating and adultery is a crime. And in some countries they are stoned to death, if found out.

In some countries homosexuality and bi sexuality is a crime punishable by death.

Not sure of the relevance Manrider.

To me the relevance is, none of us are pure and lily white, and I would expect swingers to be open minded, liberated people,

To celebrate the death of someone based on ignorance rather than knowledge seems to be the opposite, closed minded and sheep like.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Aint it good to see the guilty till proven innocent brigade out in force again on here.

Until such time as all facts are in public domain i find it pathetic that some make assumptions without knowing the facys.

Whether he was guilty of the alleged offences and alleged is the key word here no one will ever know

Lets assume the innocent till proven guilty law applies then what if the chap found pressure too much and could not continue.

BBC story reports prolilic historical abuse. On that basis his innocence looks unlikely."

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"How many of the "victims were over 18"

Just imagine how many people would be found guilty of sexual abuse in a swinging club,

just be reading the number of threads starting,

" the single guy came over and touched me, without an invitation",

would you want to drag them through the gutter press, until they were suicidal?

Quote again

David Smith was a prolific sex offender whose first conviction was in 1966. He had 22 convictions for sexual offences against young boys.

maybe the law needs changing, but it will never happen by people showing a lynch mob mentality.

Nor a massive cover up on the grandest scale possible

as much as I love liberated sex, this draws the line on consenting adults ONLY.

all others should be castrated

And who exactly would perform the castration?..please don't say you would

medical castration would be an answer.

rather than surgery

And who would do that within our NHS?"

Lol NHS

NHS will no longer be

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many of the "victims were over 18"

Just imagine how many people would be found guilty of sexual abuse in a swinging club,

just be reading the number of threads starting,

" the single guy came over and touched me, without an invitation",

would you want to drag them through the gutter press, until they were suicidal?

Quote again

David Smith was a prolific sex offender whose first conviction was in 1966. He had 22 convictions for sexual offences against young boys.

maybe the law needs changing, but it will never happen by people showing a lynch mob mentality.

Nor a massive cover up on the grandest scale possible

as much as I love liberated sex, this draws the line on consenting adults ONLY.

all others should be castrated

And who exactly would perform the castration?..please don't say you would

medical castration would be an answer.

rather than surgery

And who would do that within our NHS?"

it happens now on the NHS, for people in prison, it is part of treatment, similar to in the war when soldiers were given meds to dull their sexual desires, I am sure it also happens in care homes, very much like meds to keep people quiet and to dull confusion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've worked with victims not offenders. Like most issues there's a broad spectrum ranging from circumstantial perpetrators and true paedophiles. The latter will not/cannot reform.

respect your professional viewpoint..

think the issue is to prevent re offending which costs money, wont ever stop folk thinking what they want even when its as disgusting as this issue.."

Statistics never tell the full story - are repeat offenders becoming clever in not getting detected?

Are the success rates higher for the circumstantial perpetrators (which one would expect as they know they are in the wrong and have guilt)?

Media screams paedophile but it really is more complex than one word could portray.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

"How many of the "victims were over 18"

Just imagine how many people would be found guilty of sexual abuse in a swinging club,

just be reading the number of threads starting,

" the single guy came over and touched me, without an invitation",

would you want to drag them through the gutter press, until they were suicidal?

Quote again

David Smith was a prolific sex offender whose first conviction was in 1966. He had 22 convictions for sexual offences against young boys.

maybe the law needs changing, but it will never happen by people showing a lynch mob mentality.

Nor a massive cover up on the grandest scale possible

as much as I love liberated sex, this draws the line on consenting adults ONLY.

all others should be castrated

And who exactly would perform the castration?..please don't say you would

medical castration would be an answer.

rather than surgery

And who would do that within our NHS?

Lol NHS

NHS will no longer be"

No longer be ?

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"There are people who think swinging, cheating and adultery is a crime. And in some countries they are stoned to death, if found out.

In some countries homosexuality and bi sexuality is a crime punishable by death.

Not sure of the relevance Manrider.

To me the relevance is, none of us are pure and lily white, and I would expect swingers to be open minded, liberated people,

To celebrate the death of someone based on ignorance rather than knowledge seems to be the opposite, closed minded and sheep like.

Just because we are liberated like I said draws the line with adults only.

This is no excuse to abuse children.

You can take your free swing as far ad you like but once you involve children you should be damned for life

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"....

all others should be castrated

What punishment would you inflict on female sex offenders?

the equivalent or as close as

Which would be ........?

Cut her clit off and stitch up her labia? Where have we heard that before?

I don't know, don't care, as long as justice is done and all bring to court and face the music. Doesn't seem to be happening though.

Cover up on a grand scale"

I think you may be confusing vengeance and justice.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

And just because someone works in that field doesn't mean they are right either.

really, so based on that you would let some bloke operate on your loved one rather that the trained surgeon..

yes even a trained professional will make mistakes but on the whole they in their chosen field are usually more knowledgeable than the rest of us would you not agree..?

nor I..

so a young man or woman carries out an act as discussed (that we both agree is wrong btw) and they live the rest of their life without offending, contribute etc etc..

and they have no place in society..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To me the relevance is, none of us are pure and lily white, and I would expect swingers to be open minded, liberated people,

To celebrate the death of someone based on ignorance rather than knowledge seems to be the opposite, closed minded and sheep like.

So being a swinger should make us tolerant of any sex act? Why does fab have filters and lists of preferences then I wonder?

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

"How many of the "victims were over 18"

Just imagine how many people would be found guilty of sexual abuse in a swinging club,

just be reading the number of threads starting,

" the single guy came over and touched me, without an invitation",

would you want to drag them through the gutter press, until they were suicidal?

Quote again

David Smith was a prolific sex offender whose first conviction was in 1966. He had 22 convictions for sexual offences against young boys.

maybe the law needs changing, but it will never happen by people showing a lynch mob mentality.

Nor a massive cover up on the grandest scale possible

as much as I love liberated sex, this draws the line on consenting adults ONLY.

all others should be castrated

And who exactly would perform the castration?..please don't say you would

medical castration would be an answer.

rather than surgery

And who would do that within our NHS?

Part of treatment only if volunteered..as for care homes any medic found administering chemically castrating drugs simply to keep people quiet would be struck off

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many of the "victims were over 18"

Just imagine how many people would be found guilty of sexual abuse in a swinging club,

just be reading the number of threads starting,

" the single guy came over and touched me, without an invitation",

would you want to drag them through the gutter press, until they were suicidal?

Quote again

David Smith was a prolific sex offender whose first conviction was in 1966. He had 22 convictions for sexual offences against young boys.

maybe the law needs changing, but it will never happen by people showing a lynch mob mentality.

Nor a massive cover up on the grandest scale possible

as much as I love liberated sex, this draws the line on consenting adults ONLY.

all others should be castrated

And who exactly would perform the castration?..please don't say you would

medical castration would be an answer.

rather than surgery

And who would do that within our NHS?

Part of treatment only if volunteered..as for care homes any medic found administering chemically castrating drugs simply to keep people quiet would be struck off "

and that is not unheard of.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so a young man or woman carries out an act as discussed (that we both agree is wrong btw) and they live the rest of their life without offending, contribute etc etc..

and they have no place in society..?

No,,,,period

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know the extent of the damage to child abuse victims, it is lifelong.In fact those children who are murdered are more fortunate than those who survive.

If an offender can be rehabilitated then I pray for that. The reason being then others won't suffer.

However, those who release offenders early, to repeat, need, well my written retort is unprintable!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is certainly an interesting thread.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This man was charged with sex offences against a young boy. As it stood before his death he was innocent until the justice system decided otherwise. He was entitled to representation and to put his case forward and 12 peers to decide as to whether his guilt was beyond reasonable doubt. If found guilty he would have had to have paid his debt to society. That's the way this country works, not perfect by any means but far better than totalitarian states.

This man chose to take his own life and his mental state must have been such that he was not able to make a valid judgement.

The hangem, flogem and castrateem brigade are out in force and take a popularist view as its easy to think that way.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"....

all others should be castrated

What punishment would you inflict on female sex offenders?

the equivalent or as close as

Which would be ........?

Cut her clit off and stitch up her labia? Where have we heard that before?

I don't know, don't care, as long as justice is done and all bring to court and face the music. Doesn't seem to be happening though.

Cover up on a grand scale

I think you may be confusing vengeance and justice."

There's a bit of both, I don't believe in vengeance on a vigilante style, but like I said where there is high ranking people involved in paedos and is covered up makes me sick.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So the laws are adequate for this crime?

The law is such that sex with a minor is illegal. It's the sentencing that needs addressing."

Castration!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This man was charged with sex offences against a young boy. As it stood before his death he was innocent until the justice system decided otherwise. He was entitled to representation and to put his case forward and 12 peers to decide as to whether his guilt was beyond reasonable doubt. If found guilty he would have had to have paid his debt to society. That's the way this country works, not perfect by any means but far better than totalitarian states.

This man chose to take his own life and his mental state must have been such that he was not able to make a valid judgement.

The hangem, flogem and castrateem brigade are out in force and take a popularist view as its easy to think that way. "

Post mortem done already

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

"I know the extent of the damage to child abuse victims, it is lifelong.In fact those children who are murdered are more fortunate than those who survive.

If an offender can be rehabilitated then I pray for that. The reason being then others won't suffer.

However, those who release offenders early, to repeat, need, well my written retort is unprintable!

Are you really saying that it is bettered to be murdered than survive child abuse ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This man chose to take his own life and his mental state must have been such that he was not able to make a valid judgement.

The hangem, flogem and castrateem brigade are out in force and take a popularist view as its easy to think that way. "

Well said, in a clear consise manner, I just said they are closed minded and sheep, which of course is not very nice for the sheep.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

so a young man or woman carries out an act as discussed (that we both agree is wrong btw) and they live the rest of their life without offending, contribute etc etc..

and they have no place in society..?

No,,,,period"

respect you and I wont agree but how about if that's the status quo across the board for all 'offences'..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

which people wait for the facts

of the truth rather than what u hear from the media

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I know the extent of the damage to child abuse victims, it is lifelong.In fact those children who are murdered are more fortunate than those who survive.

ditto and for that person it will never go away, they do as they need it have resource to professional help and they never go without support and love..

but they are living a good life..

sadly cant say the same if they had been murdered..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

respect you and I wont agree but how about if that's the status quo across the board for all 'offences'..?

I'm talking specifically about peodophiles here. Yes I believe the perpetrators of other crimes can rehabilitate and can even become assets to society ,and those individuals deserve respect. A peodophile however has a different mind set and make up to normal people, that's a given, and for that reason they serve no purpose on this earth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" The cause of his death is not yet known.

I imagine the conspiracy theorists will have a field day with this one….!.

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By *rumCoupleCouple
over a year ago

birmingham

A previous attempt to track down Smith in 2002 had failed when police could not find him - even though he was in prison at the time.

This is the most disturbing bit - it seems our police force really couldn't catch a cold.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I know the extent of the damage to child abuse victims, it is lifelong.In fact those children who are murdered are more fortunate than those who survive.

ditto and for that person it will never go away, they do as they need it have resource to professional help and they never go without support and love..

but they are living a good life..

sadly cant say the same if they had been murdered.."

Who are living a good life?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"....

all others should be castrated

What punishment would you inflict on female sex offenders?

the equivalent or as close as

Which would be ........?

Cut her clit off and stitch up her labia? Where have we heard that before?

I don't know, don't care, as long as justice is done and all bring to court and face the music. Doesn't seem to be happening though.

Cover up on a grand scale

I think you may be confusing vengeance and justice.

There's a bit of both, I don't believe in vengeance on a vigilante style, but like I said where there is high ranking people involved in paedos and is covered up makes me sick."

State sponsored vengeance?

Is it just where'high ranking people' are involved or any old paedophile?

I think we should be told.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

It's not so many years ago that homosexuals were treated the same way the mob would now treat paedophiles.

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling

"The guy was a previously convicted sex offender.

Sorry but IMHO he lost his right to "innocent until proven guilty" way back when he decided to offend the first time.

For that, he and every other child abuser deserve to have their lives scrutinised at every turn.

However he died, it's a good thing, saves the tax payer money."

In that case what's the pountof our penal system, you know that little thing called rehabilitation. Then we might as well get rid of courts for ANYONE who has been found guilty of an offense previously.

Trial by forum by keyboard vigilantes. Just glad they aren't Judges but scarey to think the could sit on a jury!

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"It's not so many years ago that homosexuals were treated the same way the mob would now treat paedophiles."

that's fucking different and you know it

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"It's not so many years ago that homosexuals were treated the same way the mob would now treat paedophiles.

that's fucking different and you know it"

No, it's not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's not so many years ago that homosexuals were treated the same way the mob would now treat paedophiles.

that's fucking different and you know it"

at one point, someone suggested the earth was round,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's not so many years ago that homosexuals were treated the same way the mob would now treat paedophiles."

Roger irrelevant

They used to put kids up chimneys 100 years ago (just another fact for you)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are you presuming he was guilty or do you know for a fact he was.... ?

Not presuming anything but lets face it he was to stand trial and by the looks topped himself before it.That is a weak bastard!!!!

But he may have been innocent of all charges and just unable to cope with the vitriol aimed at him by people who are willing to assume his guilt without trial…. "

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"It's not so many years ago that homosexuals were treated the same way the mob would now treat paedophiles.

that's fucking different and you know it

No, it's not."

Homosexuality and child abuse are two different things.

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

"It's not so many years ago that homosexuals were treated the same way the mob would now treat paedophiles."

And?

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

I hope he does t want sympathy coz he ain't gonna get it from me

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By *latharerMan
over a year ago

Glasgow CC

"Are you presuming he was guilty or do you know for a fact he was.... ?"

I'm tpretty sure it said on the bbc news website that he has been in and out of prison for years for similar offences.

My apologies if I'm wrong. I did read it half awake......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's not so many years ago that homosexuals were treated the same way the mob would now treat paedophiles.

that's fucking different and you know it

No, it's not.

Homosexuality and child abuse are two different things."

well, in some parts of the world its perfectly legal for 10 year olds to be marrid and engage in sexual relationships.

so, what makes it fine for one society, but illegal in another.

are we wrong, or the others?

what makes one right and the other wrong?

so many questions, so few answers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I had relevant info but it's against the forum rules.

I'll summarise and state there are no comparisons between different types of abuse and the aftermath.

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare

"He had 22 previous convictions for similar offences. That doesn't mean he's guilty this time but a prison term after a high profile trial might have been a step too far for him."

22 previous convictions?? He should never have been out in first place.im not part of the lock em up n throwaway the key brigade but ddefinitely am when it comes to abuse.thats 22 little lives destroyed.guilty or innocent on these charges its good riddance

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

For future referece, Admin would rather you don't quote a whole newspaper article and just put the link in to the paper.

Don't mention peoples names on here that you "think" might be a peadophile.

Don't discuss any child abuse experience of your own as the forum rules say.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"It's not so many years ago that homosexuals were treated the same way the mob would now treat paedophiles.

that's fucking different and you know it

No, it's not.

Homosexuality and child abuse are two different things.

well, in some parts of the world its perfectly legal for 10 year olds to be marrid and engage in sexual relationships.

so, what makes it fine for one society, but illegal in another.

are we wrong, or the others?

what makes one right and the other wrong?

so many questions, so few answers."

Well we have laws of the land to protect the vulnerable.

In this land we see children as vulnerable and our duty to protect them..

What happens in other societies/tribes happens there. And there is nothing personally i can do there, we need to get our own house in order.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Are you presuming he was guilty or do you know for a fact he was.... ?

Not presuming anything but lets face it he was to stand trial and by the looks topped himself before it.That is a weak bastard!!!!

But he may have been innocent of all charges and just unable to cope with the vitriol aimed at him by people who are willing to assume his guilt without trial….

Or after 22 convictions for sexual offences against young boys he finally got a conscience!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He had 22 previous convictions for similar offences. That doesn't mean he's guilty this time but a prison term after a high profile trial might have been a step too far for him.

not trying to belittle the offences, but 22 occasions doesnt mean 22 persons.

it could be 1 person 22 times (as with the Leville case, he had 7 counts, but it was only with 1 person, allegedly)

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"He had 22 previous convictions for similar offences. That doesn't mean he's guilty this time but a prison term after a high profile trial might have been a step too far for him.

Amen!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's not so many years ago that homosexuals were treated the same way the mob would now treat paedophiles.

that's fucking different and you know it

No, it's not.

Homosexuality and child abuse are two different things.

well, in some parts of the world its perfectly legal for 10 year olds to be marrid and engage in sexual relationships.

so, what makes it fine for one society, but illegal in another.

are we wrong, or the others?

what makes one right and the other wrong?

so many questions, so few answers.

Well we have laws of the land to protect the vulnerable.

In this land we see children as vulnerable and our duty to protect them..

What happens in other societies/tribes happens there. And there is nothing personally i can do there, we need to get our own house in order.

but again, who is right or wrong?

just because we have different sensibilities than other countries doesnt make us more right than them.

in fact, these laws 'protecting' children have only been a fairly recent development in the race that is human.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He had 22 previous convictions for similar offences. That doesn't mean he's guilty this time but a prison term after a high profile trial might have been a step too far for him.

not trying to belittle the offences, but 22 occasions doesnt mean 22 persons.

it could be 1 person 22 times (as with the Leville case, he had 7 counts, but it was only with 1 person, allegedly)"

I read 22 convictions as convictions, not 22 seperate offences. Maybe I'm wrong.

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By *mm_n_ZedCouple
over a year ago

Fareham

"It's not so many years ago that homosexuals were treated the same way the mob would now treat paedophiles.

that's fucking different and you know it

No, it's not."

I'm trying to get my head around what you're actually trying to say here ...

... are you saying that in the future, when we're more 'enlightened' and liberal, we're actually going to view paedophilia as acceptable?

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"It's not so many years ago that homosexuals were treated the same way the mob would now treat paedophiles.

that's fucking different and you know it

No, it's not.

Homosexuality and child abuse are two different things.

well, in some parts of the world its perfectly legal for 10 year olds to be marrid and engage in sexual relationships.

so, what makes it fine for one society, but illegal in another.

are we wrong, or the others?

what makes one right and the other wrong?

so many questions, so few answers.

Well we have laws of the land to protect the vulnerable.

In this land we see children as vulnerable and our duty to protect them..

What happens in other societies/tribes happens there. And there is nothing personally i can do there, we need to get our own house in order.

but again, who is right or wrong?

just because we have different sensibilities than other countries doesnt make us more right than them.

in fact, these laws 'protecting' children have only been a fairly recent development in the race that is human."

Well ever since I was born I had to be over 18 to view buy certain things.

Even on this website you have yo be 18.

Doesn't that tell you something.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's not so many years ago that homosexuals were treated the same way the mob would now treat paedophiles.

that's fucking different and you know it

No, it's not.

I'm trying to get my head around what you're actually trying to say here ...

... are you saying that in the future, when we're more 'enlightened' and liberal, we're actually going to view paedophilia as acceptable?

who knows, 200 years ago it was kind of socially acceptable for families to send their kids off to rich households for 'a better life' what ever that constituted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For future referece, Admin would rather you don't quote a whole newspaper article and just put the link in to the paper.

I thought only certain links were allowed...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He had 22 previous convictions for similar offences. That doesn't mean he's guilty this time but a prison term after a high profile trial might have been a step too far for him.

not trying to belittle the offences, but 22 occasions doesnt mean 22 persons.

it could be 1 person 22 times (as with the Leville case, he had 7 counts, but it was only with 1 person, allegedly)

I read 22 convictions as convictions, not 22 seperate offences. Maybe I'm wrong."

convictions are convictions, but it can still be 1 person.

hell, shoplifting convictions count separately, even if they have all been carried out in tesco (thats as far as the simili goes though_

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"It's not so many years ago that homosexuals were treated the same way the mob would now treat paedophiles.

that's fucking different and you know it

No, it's not.

I'm trying to get my head around what you're actually trying to say here ...

... are you saying that in the future, when we're more 'enlightened' and liberal, we're actually going to view paedophilia as acceptable?

No. Certainly not in the UK but, as someone else has already pointed out, other countries, some of which we regard as enlightened and liberal have different age of consent laws from those which apply here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He had 22 previous convictions for similar offences. That doesn't mean he's guilty this time but a prison term after a high profile trial might have been a step too far for him.

not trying to belittle the offences, but 22 occasions doesnt mean 22 persons.

it could be 1 person 22 times (as with the Leville case, he had 7 counts, but it was only with 1 person, allegedly)

I read 22 convictions as convictions, not 22 seperate offences. Maybe I'm wrong.

convictions are convictions, but it can still be 1 person.

hell, shoplifting convictions count separately, even if they have all been carried out in tesco (thats as far as the simili goes though_"

The report mentions prolific and first offence, that indicates more than one child.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"For future referece, Admin would rather you don't quote a whole newspaper article and just put the link in to the paper.

I thought only certain links were allowed..."

If people checked out the forum rules they will tell you what is allowed and they would probably not get any ban.

http://www.fabswingers.com/content/forum-rules

You can link to:

Any well recognised news site (bbc, times, telegraph, sun, notw, cnn and all the rest)

Youtube

Lovehoney

Wikipedia

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Maybe time to delete the News of the World, eh?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For future referece, Admin would rather you don't quote a whole newspaper article and just put the link in to the paper.

I thought only certain links were allowed...

If people checked out the forum rules they will tell you what is allowed and they would probably not get any ban.

http://www.fabswingers.com/content/forum-rules

You can link to:

Any well recognised news site (bbc, times, telegraph, sun, notw, cnn and all the rest)

Youtube

Lovehoney

Wikipedia

Only probably

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By *mm_n_ZedCouple
over a year ago

Fareham

"It's not so many years ago that homosexuals were treated the same way the mob would now treat paedophiles.

that's fucking different and you know it

No, it's not.

I'm trying to get my head around what you're actually trying to say here ...

... are you saying that in the future, when we're more 'enlightened' and liberal, we're actually going to view paedophilia as acceptable?

But we're debating an issue that has happened HERE in the UK and in 2013. Talk of what's acceptable elsewhere or in another era isn't really relevant.

A man, who was previously convicted of 22 sexual offences against individuals who were below the age of consent in the UK has died and therefore won't stand trial for another allegation of sexual abuse.

If he committed suicide then it's possible he was guilty and didn't want to do prison time for his crime. If he was innocent of THAT offence then it's possible he was afraid of being wrongly convicted and death seemed preferable.

Either way, a man who committed 22 acts of paedophilia prior to the latest allegation is dead. I'm not going to lose any sleep over the death of a paedophile.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's not so many years ago that homosexuals were treated the same way the mob would now treat paedophiles.

that's fucking different and you know it

No, it's not.

I'm trying to get my head around what you're actually trying to say here ...

... are you saying that in the future, when we're more 'enlightened' and liberal, we're actually going to view paedophilia as acceptable?

which enlightened and liberal countries consent to pedophilia? ive never heard of any

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Only probably

I am guessing you could get what I was saying but are just being pedantic because I pointed out the rules that you did't know about.

Thats fine. either way, you now know whats allowed for one part of the rules at least.

http://www.fabswingers.com/forum/feedback/14562

There is also more allowed links on this thread if needed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's not so many years ago that homosexuals were treated the same way the mob would now treat paedophiles.

that's fucking different and you know it

No, it's not.

I'm trying to get my head around what you're actually trying to say here ...

... are you saying that in the future, when we're more 'enlightened' and liberal, we're actually going to view paedophilia as acceptable?

But we're debating an issue that has happened HERE in the UK and in 2013. Talk of what's acceptable elsewhere or in another era isn't really relevant.

Either way, a man who committed 22 acts of paedophilia prior to the latest allegation is dead. I'm not going to lose any sleep over the death of a paedophile."

Yes indeed if he was guilty of the crimes he was about to stand trial for , I hope his victims are as able to terms with today’s outcome ……..

Or if indeed their accusations were false perhaps they wont...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The man has a history of abuse against minors

He served time for those brought to trial

He MAY have become a reformed character

WE do not ACTUALLY know!

So an assumption of guilt CANNOT be made in this latest case

This trial has been hanging over this man for quite some time. As yet there is NO confirmation of suicide so as we sit at this moment it's 'cause of death unknown' . He may have had heart trouble or something

In Britain until someone goes thro the judicial system for EACH accusation one cannot SIMPLY assume their guilt PURELY on past history

He may well have committed this latest offense n equally he may well not have.

Now of course with his demise we shall NEVER know so it is IMPOSSIBLE to cast the slur with any reliability.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

"I know the extent of the damage to child abuse victims, it is lifelong.In fact those children who are murdered are more fortunate than those who survive.

ditto and for that person it will never go away, they do as they need it have resource to professional help and they never go without support and love..

but they are living a good life..

sadly cant say the same if they had been murdered..

Who are living a good life?"

I'm sure you haven't really thought this through. Are you really suggesting that abusers would be doing there victims a favour by murdering them ?...did Ian Huntley ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But we're debating an issue that has happened HERE in the UK and in 2013. Talk of what's acceptable elsewhere or in another era isn't really relevant.

Either way, a man who committed 22 acts of paedophilia prior to the latest allegation is dead. I'm not going to lose any sleep over the death of a paedophile."

in a nutshell

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"It's not so many years ago that homosexuals were treated the same way the mob would now treat paedophiles.

that's fucking different and you know it

No, it's not.

I'm trying to get my head around what you're actually trying to say here ...

... are you saying that in the future, when we're more 'enlightened' and liberal, we're actually going to view paedophilia as acceptable?

which enlightened and liberal countries consent to pedophilia? ive never heard of any"

Denmark is one, off the top of my head. No doubt Wiki will list others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are you presuming he was guilty or do you know for a fact he was.... ?"

Good question.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I know the extent of the damage to child abuse victims, it is lifelong.In fact those children who are murdered are more fortunate than those who survive.

ditto and for that person it will never go away, they do as they need it have resource to professional help and they never go without support and love..

but they are living a good life..

sadly cant say the same if they had been murdered..

Who are living a good life?

I'm sure you haven't really thought this through. Are you really suggesting that abusers would be doing there victims a favour by murdering them ?...did Ian Huntley ?"

I responded but it cannot be aired, so my summary is to direct you to those who commit suicide.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The man has a history of abuse against minors

He served time for those brought to trial

He MAY have become a reformed character

WE do not ACTUALLY know!

So an assumption of guilt CANNOT be made in this latest case

In Britain until someone goes thro the judicial system for EACH accusation one cannot SIMPLY assume their guilt PURELY on past history

He may well have committed this latest offense n equally he may well not have.

Now of course with his demise we shall NEVER know so it is IMPOSSIBLE to cast the slur with any reliability. "

22 previous convictions is enough for me to cast that slur or would we have had to wait for another dozen or so?

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"It's not so many years ago that homosexuals were treated the same way the mob would now treat paedophiles.

that's fucking different and you know it

No, it's not.

I'm trying to get my head around what you're actually trying to say here ...

... are you saying that in the future, when we're more 'enlightened' and liberal, we're actually going to view paedophilia as acceptable?

which enlightened and liberal countries consent to pedophilia? ive never heard of any

Denmark is one, off the top of my head. No doubt Wiki will list others.

No its not

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

The age of consent on Denmark is 15. By UK legal standards that would be a paedophillic offence.

In Denmark it's not.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

in Denmark. Sorry.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He had 22 previous convictions for similar offences. That doesn't mean he's guilty this time but a prison term after a high profile trial might have been a step too far for him.

not trying to belittle the offences, but 22 occasions doesnt mean 22 persons.

it could be 1 person 22 times (as with the Leville case, he had 7 counts, but it was only with 1 person, allegedly)

I read 22 convictions as convictions, not 22 seperate offences. Maybe I'm wrong.

convictions are convictions, but it can still be 1 person.

hell, shoplifting convictions count separately, even if they have all been carried out in tesco (thats as far as the simili goes though_

The report mentions prolific and first offence, that indicates more than one child."

prolific means lots of times, not lots of victims, and first offence suggests never been caught before.

if there were many victims, the chance of being caught earlier would have been drastically increased.

suffice to say, nothing you have said has convinced me there was many more than 1 victim, although this doesnt make it right obviously.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The man has a history of abuse against minors

He served time for those brought to trial

He MAY have become a reformed character

WE do not ACTUALLY know!

So an assumption of guilt CANNOT be made in this latest case

In Britain until someone goes thro the judicial system for EACH accusation one cannot SIMPLY assume their guilt PURELY on past history

He may well have committed this latest offense n equally he may well not have.

Now of course with his demise we shall NEVER know so it is IMPOSSIBLE to cast the slur with any reliability.

22 previous convictions is enough for me to cast that slur or would we have had to wait for another dozen or so?"

We WOULDN'T have had to wait would we if he wasn't dead - but as he is we are in no position to know the answer for SURE. He MAY have been guilty he MAY have proved innocent on THIS occasion. You don't know, I don't know n nor does anyone else

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By *rumCoupleCouple
over a year ago

birmingham

which enlightened and liberal countries consent to pedophilia? ive never heard of any"

Age of consent:

Denmark : 15

France : 15

Germany : 14

Italy : 14 (can be 13 in certain cases)

Portugal : 14

Spain : 13

Sweden : 15

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

"I know the extent of the damage to child abuse victims, it is lifelong.In fact those children who are murdered are more fortunate than those who survive.

ditto and for that person it will never go away, they do as they need it have resource to professional help and they never go without support and love..

but they are living a good life..

sadly cant say the same if they had been murdered..

Who are living a good life?

I'm sure you haven't really thought this through. Are you really suggesting that abusers would be doing there victims a favour by murdering them ?...did Ian Huntley ?

I responded but it cannot be aired, so my summary is to direct you to those who commit suicide.

Sorry, but I'm only responding to your post above. Maybe if you reread it you might agree that it reads badly. If you are saying that victims who commit suicide have every right to make that decision, and you understand why they might make that decision then I would certainly agree with you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He had 22 previous convictions for similar offences. That doesn't mean he's guilty this time but a prison term after a high profile trial might have been a step too far for him.

not trying to belittle the offences, but 22 occasions doesnt mean 22 persons.

it could be 1 person 22 times (as with the Leville case, he had 7 counts, but it was only with 1 person, allegedly)

I read 22 convictions as convictions, not 22 seperate offences. Maybe I'm wrong.

convictions are convictions, but it can still be 1 person.

hell, shoplifting convictions count separately, even if they have all been carried out in tesco (thats as far as the simili goes though_

The report mentions prolific and first offence, that indicates more than one child.

prolific means lots of times, not lots of victims, and first offence suggests never been caught before.

if there were many victims, the chance of being caught earlier would have been drastically increased.

suffice to say, nothing you have said has convinced me there was many more than 1 victim, although this doesnt make it right obviously."

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24722248

Boys!

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

which enlightened and liberal countries consent to pedophilia? ive never heard of any

Age of consent:

Denmark : 15

France : 15

Germany : 14

Italy : 14 (can be 13 in certain cases)

Portugal : 14

Spain : 13

Sweden : 15

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe"

That is consent, not abuse or to do anything they want with them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He had 22 previous convictions for similar offences. That doesn't mean he's guilty this time but a prison term after a high profile trial might have been a step too far for him.

not trying to belittle the offences, but 22 occasions doesnt mean 22 persons.

it could be 1 person 22 times (as with the Leville case, he had 7 counts, but it was only with 1 person, allegedly)

I read 22 convictions as convictions, not 22 seperate offences. Maybe I'm wrong.

convictions are convictions, but it can still be 1 person.

hell, shoplifting convictions count separately, even if they have all been carried out in tesco (thats as far as the simili goes though_

The report mentions prolific and first offence, that indicates more than one child.

prolific means lots of times, not lots of victims, and first offence suggests never been caught before.

if there were many victims, the chance of being caught earlier would have been drastically increased.

suffice to say, nothing you have said has convinced me there was many more than 1 victim, although this doesnt make it right obviously.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24722248

Boys!"

ok, boys, so could be 2, pluralising things doesnt mean hundreds does it?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

which enlightened and liberal countries consent to pedophilia? ive never heard of any

Age of consent:

Denmark : 15

France : 15

Germany : 14

Italy : 14 (can be 13 in certain cases)

Portugal : 14

Spain : 13

Sweden : 15

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe

That is consent, not abuse or to do anything they want with them"

Anything below the age of consent is abuse.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I wish people would sit down and really think about this guy.

He had 22 convictions for sexual offences against young boys!!!!

think im going to go bang my head against a wall!!! lol

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By *rumCoupleCouple
over a year ago

birmingham

which enlightened and liberal countries consent to pedophilia? ive never heard of any

Age of consent:

Denmark : 15

France : 15

Germany : 14

Italy : 14 (can be 13 in certain cases)

Portugal : 14

Spain : 13

Sweden : 15

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe

That is consent, not abuse or to do anything they want with them"

Not sure what your point is ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

which enlightened and liberal countries consent to pedophilia? ive never heard of any

Age of consent:

Denmark : 15

France : 15

Germany : 14

Italy : 14 (can be 13 in certain cases)

Portugal : 14

Spain : 13

Sweden : 15

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe"

Or put another way :-

Age of consent:

Denmark : 14yrs and 366 days

France : 14yrs and 366 days

Germany : 13yrs and 366 days

Italy : 13yrs and 366 days (can be 12yrs and 366 days in certain cases)

Portugal : 13yrs and 366 days

Spain : 12yrs and 366 days

Sweden : 14yrs and 366 days

Doesn’t look so quite so enlightened and liberal now,,,,

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

No anything not wanted is abuse.

Seems to me a few dodgy characters on here.

The law stands for like minded young adults who want to explore and to be protected upon exploration, not some fucking Paedo, to take advantage or abuse

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Innocent until proven guilty, and it's not a good thing he's died - it never is for anyone. Think of his family etc.

Lynch mob killed a disabled guy in Bristol, after chanting paedo, beat him and burnt him: they were found guilty and he was not guilty of anything, poor man. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/29/vigilante-murder-paedophile-bristol-bijan-ebrahimi That sort of story should deter everyone from jumping on bandwagons of hate.

Lynch mob bullying tactics etc should be outlawed as should lynch mob aggression on the net etc be viewed as distasteful.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He had 22 previous convictions for similar offences. That doesn't mean he's guilty this time but a prison term after a high profile trial might have been a step too far for him.

not trying to belittle the offences, but 22 occasions doesnt mean 22 persons.

it could be 1 person 22 times (as with the Leville case, he had 7 counts, but it was only with 1 person, allegedly)

I read 22 convictions as convictions, not 22 seperate offences. Maybe I'm wrong.

convictions are convictions, but it can still be 1 person.

hell, shoplifting convictions count separately, even if they have all been carried out in tesco (thats as far as the simili goes though_

The report mentions prolific and first offence, that indicates more than one child.

prolific means lots of times, not lots of victims, and first offence suggests never been caught before.

if there were many victims, the chance of being caught earlier would have been drastically increased.

suffice to say, nothing you have said has convinced me there was many more than 1 victim, although this doesnt make it right obviously.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24722248

Boys!

ok, boys, so could be 2, pluralising things doesnt mean hundreds does it?"

You're arguing for the sake of arguing. The man had been convicted for sexual offences against more than one boy since 1966.

Are you trying to state it's less heinous if he was only convicted of abusing 2 and not 22 or 222? The point is that the convictions MAY only be the tip of the iceburg ffs.

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By *mm_n_ZedCouple
over a year ago

Fareham

which enlightened and liberal countries consent to pedophilia? ive never heard of any

Age of consent:

Denmark : 15

France : 15

Germany : 14

Italy : 14 (can be 13 in certain cases)

Portugal : 14

Spain : 13

Sweden : 15

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe

That is consent, not abuse or to do anything they want with them

Anything below the age of consent is abuse."

EXACTLY! So quoting the ages of consent in other countries is a moot point.

It's assumed that everyone knows what the age of consent is in the UK so someone having sex with an individual below that age is committing an act of abuse. They can't then, in their own defence, say 'well the age of consent is 14 in Germany' - the offence was committed in a country where the age of consent is 16.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is now an offence to go to a country and have sex with those who are considered of legal age there, by a British citizen.

I think this was highlighted in the Gary glitter case.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He had 22 previous convictions for similar offences. That doesn't mean he's guilty this time but a prison term after a high profile trial might have been a step too far for him.

not trying to belittle the offences, but 22 occasions doesnt mean 22 persons.

it could be 1 person 22 times (as with the Leville case, he had 7 counts, but it was only with 1 person, allegedly)

I read 22 convictions as convictions, not 22 seperate offences. Maybe I'm wrong.

convictions are convictions, but it can still be 1 person.

hell, shoplifting convictions count separately, even if they have all been carried out in tesco (thats as far as the simili goes though_

The report mentions prolific and first offence, that indicates more than one child.

prolific means lots of times, not lots of victims, and first offence suggests never been caught before.

if there were many victims, the chance of being caught earlier would have been drastically increased.

suffice to say, nothing you have said has convinced me there was many more than 1 victim, although this doesnt make it right obviously.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24722248

Boys!

ok, boys, so could be 2, pluralising things doesnt mean hundreds does it?

You're arguing for the sake of arguing. The man had been convicted for sexual offences against more than one boy since 1966.

Are you trying to state it's less heinous if he was only convicted of abusing 2 and not 22 or 222? The point is that the convictions MAY only be the tip of the iceburg ffs."

no, im not arguing that its better be it 1 or 100, im saying, someone stated it was 22 lives ruined, and thats inaccurate.

it may well be 2 lives ruined, or 44, he may have only half abused all his victims, i dont know, and neither does anyone else.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

which enlightened and liberal countries consent to pedophilia? ive never heard of any

Age of consent:

Denmark : 15

France : 15

Germany : 14

Italy : 14 (can be 13 in certain cases)

Portugal : 14

Spain : 13

Sweden : 15

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe

That is consent, not abuse or to do anything they want with them

Anything below the age of consent is abuse.

EXACTLY! So quoting the ages of consent in other countries is a moot point.

Nobody, I hope, is suggesting that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He had 22 previous convictions for similar offences. That doesn't mean he's guilty this time but a prison term after a high profile trial might have been a step too far for him.

not trying to belittle the offences, but 22 occasions doesnt mean 22 persons.

it could be 1 person 22 times (as with the Leville case, he had 7 counts, but it was only with 1 person, allegedly)

I read 22 convictions as convictions, not 22 seperate offences. Maybe I'm wrong.

convictions are convictions, but it can still be 1 person.

hell, shoplifting convictions count separately, even if they have all been carried out in tesco (thats as far as the simili goes though_

The report mentions prolific and first offence, that indicates more than one child.

prolific means lots of times, not lots of victims, and first offence suggests never been caught before.

if there were many victims, the chance of being caught earlier would have been drastically increased.

suffice to say, nothing you have said has convinced me there was many more than 1 victim, although this doesnt make it right obviously.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24722248

Boys!

ok, boys, so could be 2, pluralising things doesnt mean hundreds does it?

You're arguing for the sake of arguing. The man had been convicted for sexual offences against more than one boy since 1966.

Are you trying to state it's less heinous if he was only convicted of abusing 2 and not 22 or 222? The point is that the convictions MAY only be the tip of the iceburg ffs.

no, im not arguing that its better be it 1 or 100, im saying, someone stated it was 22 lives ruined, and thats inaccurate.

it may well be 2 lives ruined, or 44, he may have only half abused all his victims, i dont know, and neither does anyone else."

How can someone be half abused ?

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

Well you seem to want to justify it.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Well you seem to want to justify it."

I'm not trying to justify it, just pointing out that other countries have different rules.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

PS I'd vote for a world wide age of consent at 18.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And there concludes this thread.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Perhaps the only thoughts which really matter today are those of his alleged victims…….

They are the one’s for whom the chance for justice has been either denied or provided ….. or maybe he was innocent of the charges and now they must wrestle with their own consciences….

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