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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I work full time and also help out at my local hospital three hours a week voluntary

I do a trolley service around the wards for patients who can't get up and need a newspaper or a drink etc

My question is should the Nhs pay for sex change operations or should the money go on life saving ops ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For many, it is a life saving op.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For many, it is a life saving op."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For many, it is a life saving op."

This ^^^

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well considering you asked the question. What do you think the answer is.

Mine answer is about being able to live a happy and full life should it be a sex change or kidney transplant. I've had two operations in past two years perhaps that was a waste of money to some but to me it has made my life better.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Life saving ops to prolong life for how long?

Is it worth spending thousands on one person for a course of new anti-cancer drug that may only extend one's life for a few months if at all?

How about not treating those who inflict injuries upon themselves, like falling over while d*unk, wearing high heels and trip over?

Etc. etc. etc...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Life saving ops to prolong life for how long?

Is it worth spending thousands on one person for a course of new anti-cancer drug that may only extend one's life for a few months if at all?

How about not treating those who inflict injuries upon themselves, like falling over while d*unk, wearing high heels and trip over?

Etc. etc. etc...

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like smokers, fat people, alcoholics, depressed people, disabled people, etc. etc.

The NHS is paid for by everybody, so you can not exclude anyone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do they not offer cosmetic surgery to women too? (Rhetorical question)

Another trolling thread by yourself aimed at upsetting any transsexuals that use the forum.

I personally think that if the NHS are going to offer gender reassignment surgery they should also be offering facial feminisation surgery too as this will offer the people that choose this route the greatest chance of success in their new life, not many people will see what is in their pants but everybody they meet will see their face. So IMO the NHS is not doing enough.

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

my nephew who is now my neice had to go abroad for surgery

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agreeing with Abi x

Quite surprised how the repeaters think the rest of us are stupid

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By *awty bi coupleCouple
over a year ago

Wet Walsall


"How about not treating those who inflict injuries upon themselves, like falling over while d*unk, wearing high heels and trip over?

Etc. etc. etc...

like smokers, fat people, alcoholics, depressed people, disabled people, etc. etc.

The NHS is paid for by everybody, so you can not exclude anyone."

Firstly, disability is NOT a self-inflicted injury, for that matter neither are mental health conditions (of which depression is but one), secondly, being fat isn't always down to over-eating, there are drugs given for genuine illnesses and disabilities which have nasty side effects, one being massive weight gain, also, having a physical disability can impede one's ability to exercise and thus render them incapable of losing weight.

I know that the OP didn't want their question to end up as a "let's knock anyone who doesn't conform to the norm (whatever that may be in different people's minds)", but as a disabled and overweight lady who used to work in mental health, I must object to people assuming that these issues all MUST fall under the heading of 'self-inflicted'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No one assumes anything. Everyone pays for the NHS and everyone is entitled to the most suitable and best treatment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The NHS is there to improve quality of life aswell as save lives

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think you may have taken this post completely out of context. Everyone except the op is making the point no one should be excluded. We all pay for our nhs services. And as long as the services are provided, we are all entitled to them. Whether it be cosmetic surgery to boost self esteem and confidence, whether after a mastectomy or just because they deem them too small, counselling to help mental health issues, whether a natural progression or a result of drug use, or treatment for lung cancer, whether due to bad luck or years of smoking.

The op clearly just wants to be controversial and provoke.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think you may have taken this post completely out of context. Everyone except the op is making the point no one should be excluded. We all pay for our nhs services. And as long as the services are provided, we are all entitled to them. Whether it be cosmetic surgery to boost self esteem and confidence, whether after a mastectomy or just because they deem them too small, counselling to help mental health issues, whether a natural progression or a result of drug use, or treatment for lung cancer, whether due to bad luck or years of smoking.

The op clearly just wants to be controversial and provoke. "

which always makes an interesting thread x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Always the highlight of my day, waiting for the 'handbags at dawn' lol X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How about not treating those who inflict injuries upon themselves, like falling over while d*unk, wearing high heels and trip over?

Etc. etc. etc...

like smokers, fat people, alcoholics, depressed people, disabled people, etc. etc.

The NHS is paid for by everybody, so you can not exclude anyone.

Firstly, disability is NOT a self-inflicted injury, for that matter neither are mental health conditions (of which depression is but one), secondly, being fat isn't always down to over-eating, there are drugs given for genuine illnesses and disabilities which have nasty side effects, one being massive weight gain, also, having a physical disability can impede one's ability to exercise and thus render them incapable of losing weight.

I know that the OP didn't want their question to end up as a "let's knock anyone who doesn't conform to the norm (whatever that may be in different people's minds)", but as a disabled and overweight lady who used to work in mental health, I must object to people assuming that these issues all MUST fall under the heading of 'self-inflicted'

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No the OP just wanted to offend people who want a sex change... Click the green arrow by her name and have a read through some of her posts and read through some of the threads she has started recently.

The post you have commented on did make some sweeping generalisations, but what about say, the people who have become disabled because they had a accident because they decided to do something incredibly stupid, or have mental health issues through excessive drug use? Should we refuse to treat these people? The answer is obviously no. Of course we should treat them. There are people out there that are driven to suicide by their unhappiness of being born into the wrong body, should they be denied surgery as the OP's question suggests anymore than anyone else who's lifestyle choices have left them in need of medical assistance?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a dangerous hobby, its a sport and the people who participate are at risk, some have become disabled or brain damaged through their hobby / sport.

The point I was making, is everyone has paid in, and should get treatment.

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow


"I work full time and also help out at my local hospital three hours a week voluntary

I do a trolley service around the wards for patients who can't get up and need a newspaper or a drink etc

My question is should the Nhs pay for sex change operations or should the money go on life saving ops ?

"

Hmmmmmm I'm picturing Dr kildaire at his desk here,then his busty assistant storms into the room saying,doctor doctor we have an emergency,there's a guy in the waiting room who needs a heart bypass,

and a guy who needs a sex change operation,and we only have 79p,and an almost full bag of wotsits,what will we do!!!!

Dr kildaire says calm yourself dear,he then proceeds to give this situation some serious thought,then he says to his busty assistant,in a masterful,yet caring voice,who opened them fucking wotsits.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I need to find this green arrow.......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I need to find this green arrow....... "

next to persons name x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I need to find this green arrow....... "

right beside any posters name, before it says if they are male/female/couple/TV/TS x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes I do think the NHS should fund gender reassignment surgery, as clearly the NHS offer so much more than emergency surgery.

The NHS has a duty of care to those who are in need. Gender reassignment is expensive surgery, along with the cost of psychiatric assessments and drugs required. Funding is assessed in depth for this kind of surgery and maybe the patient will only be eligible for a proportion of the cost.

The benefits of offering such a surgery are clearly advantageous too, progressive surgery is the way forward to provide skilful surgeons who are able to perform this and other kinds of complex surgery.

Why would anyone want a health service that was limited in it's approach to medical science.

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By *renchbambi xWoman
over a year ago

Need to know basis


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I do a trolley service around the wards for patients who can't get up and need a newspaper or a drink etc

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OP;

Volunteering is an admirable thing - well at least I hope you're not being paid to do that! The NHS needs all the money they can get.

(Tongue firmly in cheek)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Aha the mid staffs scandal.

Plot thickens.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For many, it is a life saving op."

This

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I work full time and also help out at my local hospital three hours a week voluntary

I do a trolley service around the wards for patients who can't get up and need a newspaper or a drink etc

My question is should the Nhs pay for sex change operations or should the money go on life saving ops ?

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Interesting thread.

Good debate. Thank you.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Looks in, considers original post to be slanted in its' bias, checks the profile of the OP, sees that they don't want to meet any guy that has been with TG, shakes head, mutters why can't people just rub along nicely and goes back to pondering just what shade of foundation would match her skin

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In its most simplistic form

IF there IS a treatment, a cure, a palliative an operation, a lotion, potion or tablet that has been discovered then it should be available on the NHS and FREE at source. THAT is the basis upon which the NHS was originally set up for the improvement of health nationally.

Regrettably due to the financial constraints there has to be a decision on what treatments take precedence - there shouldn't need to be but there is.

YES everybody should have access to whatever they need INCLUDING gender realignment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Looks in, considers original post to be slanted in its' bias, checks the profile of the OP, sees that they don't want to meet any guy that has been with TG, shakes head, mutters why can't people just rub along nicely and goes back to pondering just what shade of foundation would match her skin "

Go to boots , they have a machine to find your perfect colour.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Looks in, considers original post to be slanted in its' bias, checks the profile of the OP, sees that they don't want to meet any guy that has been with TG, shakes head, mutters why can't people just rub along nicely and goes back to pondering just what shade of foundation would match her skin

Go to boots , they have a machine to find your perfect colour. "
does it include green

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For many, it is a life saving op."

This may sound crass but as i do not pretend to know much about it how can it be life saving as the person is not dying.

I am not knocking the fact that folk must go through hell and are brave to be at point in life of wanting the op but cannot see it as life threatening personally.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Looks in, considers original post to be slanted in its' bias, checks the profile of the OP, sees that they don't want to meet any guy that has been with TG, shakes head, mutters why can't people just rub along nicely and goes back to pondering just what shade of foundation would match her skin

Go to boots , they have a machine to find your perfect colour. does it include green "
there is a cream that's green, it's for calming down red I think

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Looks in, considers original post to be slanted in its' bias, checks the profile of the OP, sees that they don't want to meet any guy that has been with TG, shakes head, mutters why can't people just rub along nicely and goes back to pondering just what shade of foundation would match her skin

Go to boots , they have a machine to find your perfect colour. does it include green there is a cream that's green, it's for calming down red I think "

Isn't the cosmetic industry bloody brilliant lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For many, it is a life saving op."

absolutely

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"In its most simplistic form

IF there IS a treatment, a cure, a palliative an operation, a lotion, potion or tablet that has been discovered then it should be available on the NHS and FREE at source. THAT is the basis upon which the NHS was originally set up for the improvement of health nationally.

Regrettably due to the financial constraints there has to be a decision on what treatments take precedence - there shouldn't need to be but there is.

YES everybody should have access to whatever they need INCLUDING gender realignment"

The bottom line however is that someone has to pay for it.

Where would you suggest the money comes from? Higher taxes? More borrowing?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In its most simplistic form

IF there IS a treatment, a cure, a palliative an operation, a lotion, potion or tablet that has been discovered then it should be available on the NHS and FREE at source. THAT is the basis upon which the NHS was originally set up for the improvement of health nationally.

Regrettably due to the financial constraints there has to be a decision on what treatments take precedence - there shouldn't need to be but there is.

YES everybody should have access to whatever they need INCLUDING gender realignment

The bottom line however is that someone has to pay for it.

Where would you suggest the money comes from? Higher taxes? More borrowing?"

I'm not bothering to get in2 all that because I've already qualified my post by sayin 'due to financial restraints' - so I've answered your query in advance

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"I have a dangerous hobby, its a sport and the people who participate are at risk, some have become disabled or brain damaged through their hobby / sport.

The point I was making, is everyone has paid in, and should get treatment.

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That is the problem though. Everybody DOESN'T pay in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Looks in, considers original post to be slanted in its' bias, checks the profile of the OP, sees that they don't want to meet any guy that has been with TG, shakes head, mutters why can't people just rub along nicely and goes back to pondering just what shade of foundation would match her skin "

See now I don't get that, who someone sleeps with is nothing to do with me, no concern of mine and wouldn't stop me sleeping with someone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For many, it is a life saving op.

This may sound crass but as i do not pretend to know much about it how can it be life saving as the person is not dying.

I am not knocking the fact that folk must go through hell and are brave to be at point in life of wanting the op but cannot see it as life threatening personally."

But then we don't know how many commit suicide because of it do we as there must be loads out there too afraid to come out

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"In its most simplistic form

IF there IS a treatment, a cure, a palliative an operation, a lotion, potion or tablet that has been discovered then it should be available on the NHS and FREE at source. THAT is the basis upon which the NHS was originally set up for the improvement of health nationally.

Regrettably due to the financial constraints there has to be a decision on what treatments take precedence - there shouldn't need to be but there is.

YES everybody should have access to whatever they need INCLUDING gender realignment

The bottom line however is that someone has to pay for it.

Where would you suggest the money comes from? Higher taxes? More borrowing?

I'm not bothering to get in2 all that because I've already qualified my post by sayin 'due to financial restraints' - so I've answered your query in advance "

Not really. While you say Regrettably due to financial constraints, you also say that everyone "should" have access to everything.

By expressing that opinion surely you "should" have some idea where the money would come from.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In its most simplistic form

IF there IS a treatment, a cure, a palliative an operation, a lotion, potion or tablet that has been discovered then it should be available on the NHS and FREE at source. THAT is the basis upon which the NHS was originally set up for the improvement of health nationally.

Regrettably due to the financial constraints there has to be a decision on what treatments take precedence - there shouldn't need to be but there is.

YES everybody should have access to whatever they need INCLUDING gender realignment

The bottom line however is that someone has to pay for it.

Where would you suggest the money comes from? Higher taxes? More borrowing?

I'm not bothering to get in2 all that because I've already qualified my post by sayin 'due to financial restraints' - so I've answered your query in advance

Not really. While you say Regrettably due to financial constraints, you also say that everyone "should" have access to everything.

By expressing that opinion surely you "should" have some idea where the money would come from.

"

NOPE. Not given it a thought! I expressed merely an altruistic vision of what the NHS was set up to be and SHOULD be. I was not/am not debating the financial gymnastics of how it does/doesn't work. Sorry

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By *S_PennyTV/TS
over a year ago

Selby

For me it will be a life saving op. I had a mental breakdown, suffered over 30 years with depression and was suicidal pre and post breakdown before I came out. I am having to jump through lots of hoops just to get to the Gender Clinic let alone get to the op. Then as far as I'm aware it's more or less impossible to get any cosmetic work done on the NHS. That is why there are some many transexual escorts and cam girls as they are trying to earn enough to pay for their surgery. Myself I am looking at roughly £12k for facial surgery, £2k for Adam's apple shave, £5k for boob job. The only thing I could potentially get I. The NHS is the sex change op itself. I believe I can also get this done privately on the NHS for circa £10k so I don't think that is a particularly big bill when compared to the amount that the NHS funds my treatment and medications for Narcolepsy which I also suffer from.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

im not informed enough on the subject to give a definitive answer

just off the top of my head though i`d say life saving takes priority over life changing op`s but wouldnt have an issue with it being part of the NHS service

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"In its most simplistic form

IF there IS a treatment, a cure, a palliative an operation, a lotion, potion or tablet that has been discovered then it should be available on the NHS and FREE at source. THAT is the basis upon which the NHS was originally set up for the improvement of health nationally.

Regrettably due to the financial constraints there has to be a decision on what treatments take precedence - there shouldn't need to be but there is.

YES everybody should have access to whatever they need INCLUDING gender realignment

The bottom line however is that someone has to pay for it.

Where would you suggest the money comes from? Higher taxes? More borrowing?

I'm not bothering to get in2 all that because I've already qualified my post by sayin 'due to financial restraints' - so I've answered your query in advance

Not really. While you say Regrettably due to financial constraints, you also say that everyone "should" have access to everything.

By expressing that opinion surely you "should" have some idea where the money would come from.

NOPE. Not given it a thought! I expressed merely an altruistic vision of what the NHS was set up to be and SHOULD be. I was not/am not debating the financial gymnastics of how it does/doesn't work. Sorry "

OK fair point. I have to go now, need to apply for cock enlargement, (I would like it a bit bigger) nose reduction, (I would like it a bit smaller) and lottery win (I'm depressed that I have not won it yet) Who will pay for it? I don't give a shit, but all "should" be available, shouldn't they?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In its most simplistic form

IF there IS a treatment, a cure, a palliative an operation, a lotion, potion or tablet that has been discovered then it should be available on the NHS and FREE at source. THAT is the basis upon which the NHS was originally set up for the improvement of health nationally.

Regrettably due to the financial constraints there has to be a decision on what treatments take precedence - there shouldn't need to be but there is.

YES everybody should have access to whatever they need INCLUDING gender realignment

The bottom line however is that someone has to pay for it.

Where would you suggest the money comes from? Higher taxes? More borrowing?

I'm not bothering to get in2 all that because I've already qualified my post by sayin 'due to financial restraints' - so I've answered your query in advance

Not really. While you say Regrettably due to financial constraints, you also say that everyone "should" have access to everything.

By expressing that opinion surely you "should" have some idea where the money would come from.

NOPE. Not given it a thought! I expressed merely an altruistic vision of what the NHS was set up to be and SHOULD be. I was not/am not debating the financial gymnastics of how it does/doesn't work. Sorry

OK fair point. I have to go now, need to apply for cock enlargement, (I would like it a bit bigger) nose reduction, (I would like it a bit smaller) and lottery win (I'm depressed that I have not won it yet) Who will pay for it? I don't give a shit, but all "should" be available, shouldn't they?"

YEP they most CERTAINLY should

But I'm STILL not rising to your bait! But goid try eh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wish they did attitude reassignment on the NHS.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wish they did attitude reassignment on the NHS. "

Hahahahahaha

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By *wingerdelightCouple
over a year ago

eastliegh

well the nhs funded the boob job for that aweful woman who was in the press a while back, so if there is a proper need for it then why not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"well the nhs funded the boob job for that aweful woman who was in the press a while back, so if there is a proper need for it then why not"

Which awful woman?

Teresa May???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Looks in, considers original post to be slanted in its' bias, checks the profile of the OP, sees that they don't want to meet any guy that has been with TG, shakes head, mutters why can't people just rub along nicely and goes back to pondering just what shade of foundation would match her skin "

She doesnt meet Welsh either

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For many, it is a life saving op.

This may sound crass but as i do not pretend to know much about it how can it be life saving as the person is not dying.

I am not knocking the fact that folk must go through hell and are brave to be at point in life of wanting the op but cannot see it as life threatening personally.

But then we don't know how many commit suicide because of it do we as there must be loads out there too afraid to come out"

Where do you draw a line though not just on gender realignment because for example someone threatens or attempts suicide for they think they look bad for a variety of reasons. You cannot just say nhs will give it free as depression related issues can be treated other ways than just physically.

I am not belittling anyone but its about prioritising ops. Say for example a child needing op to save life or someone wanting gender realignment i know what i would choose.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"For many, it is a life saving op.

This may sound crass but as i do not pretend to know much about it how can it be life saving as the person is not dying.

I am not knocking the fact that folk must go through hell and are brave to be at point in life of wanting the op but cannot see it as life threatening personally.

But then we don't know how many commit suicide because of it do we as there must be loads out there too afraid to come out

Where do you draw a line though not just on gender realignment because for example someone threatens or attempts suicide for they think they look bad for a variety of reasons. You cannot just say nhs will give it free as depression related issues can be treated other ways than just physically.

I am not belittling anyone but its about prioritising ops. Say for example a child needing op to save life or someone wanting gender realignment i know what i would choose."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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She doesnt meet Welsh either "

Amused me for quite a while, but then, who does 'she' 'meet'?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For many, it is a life saving op.

This may sound crass but as i do not pretend to know much about it how can it be life saving as the person is not dying.

I am not knocking the fact that folk must go through hell and are brave to be at point in life of wanting the op but cannot see it as life threatening personally.

But then we don't know how many commit suicide because of it do we as there must be loads out there too afraid to come out

Where do you draw a line though not just on gender realignment because for example someone threatens or attempts suicide for they think they look bad for a variety of reasons. You cannot just say nhs will give it free as depression related issues can be treated other ways than just physically.

I am not belittling anyone but its about prioritising ops. Say for example a child needing op to save life or someone wanting gender realignment i know what i would choose."

It shouldn't need to be a cut n dried either/or - there should be the opportunity for BOTH operations

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By *wingerdelightCouple
over a year ago

eastliegh


"well the nhs funded the boob job for that aweful woman who was in the press a while back, so if there is a proper need for it then why not

Which awful woman?

Teresa May??? "

cant remember who she was, she wasnt anyone famous, but her boob job made all the front pages

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"I work full time and also help out at my local hospital three hours a week voluntary

I do a trolley service around the wards for patients who can't get up and need a newspaper or a drink etc

My question is should the Nhs pay for sex change operations or should the money go on life saving ops ?

"

What has your voluntary work got to do with whether or not the nhs funds gender reassignment surgery?

I'm of the view once you start excluding people it's a slippery slope as eventually it may effect me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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She doesnt meet Welsh either

Amused me for quite a while, but then, who does 'she' 'meet'?"

Someone brave enough to deal with the issues

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"For many, it is a life saving op.

This may sound crass but as i do not pretend to know much about it how can it be life saving as the person is not dying.

I am not knocking the fact that folk must go through hell and are brave to be at point in life of wanting the op but cannot see it as life threatening personally.

But then we don't know how many commit suicide because of it do we as there must be loads out there too afraid to come out

Where do you draw a line though not just on gender realignment because for example someone threatens or attempts suicide for they think they look bad for a variety of reasons. You cannot just say nhs will give it free as depression related issues can be treated other ways than just physically.

I am not belittling anyone but its about prioritising ops. Say for example a child needing op to save life or someone wanting gender realignment i know what i would choose."

Why do people feel the need to be emotive to prove a point? Poor Tiny Tim with his gammy leg or Barry the docker who wants to be Carrie?

Why should it be either or?

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent


"well the nhs funded the boob job for that aweful woman who was in the press a while back, so if there is a proper need for it then why not

Which awful woman?

Teresa May???

cant remember who she was, she wasnt anyone famous, but her boob job made all the front pages"

Yeah she got it done on the NHS coz she wanted to be a glamour model. She's been back in the papers since moaning that she hasn't had her big break but what she failed to acknowledge was that no matter how big her tits were she still had a face for radio!!!

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"well the nhs funded the boob job for that aweful woman who was in the press a while back, so if there is a proper need for it then why not

Which awful woman?

Teresa May???

cant remember who she was, she wasnt anyone famous, but her boob job made all the front pages

Yeah she got it done on the NHS coz she wanted to be a glamour model. She's been back in the papers since moaning that she hasn't had her big break but what she failed to acknowledge was that no matter how big her tits were she still had a face for radio!!! "

forumites are on fire this morning!

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent


"well the nhs funded the boob job for that aweful woman who was in the press a while back, so if there is a proper need for it then why not

Which awful woman?

Teresa May???

cant remember who she was, she wasnt anyone famous, but her boob job made all the front pages

Yeah she got it done on the NHS coz she wanted to be a glamour model. She's been back in the papers since moaning that she hasn't had her big break but what she failed to acknowledge was that no matter how big her tits were she still had a face for radio!!!

forumites are on fire this morning!"

She was butt ugly tho! All that op did was make her a laughing stock (with big boobs)

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By *aisy100Woman
over a year ago

wakefield

I think everyone should have access to the NHS but unfortunatly there isnt a never ending supply of money, I think the original post was about how the NHS relys on volounteers to provide essential services but the OP feels that gender change isnt an essential operation.

I paid privatly for my breast implants but when the PIP scandal hit, the NHS were not there to help me ( ive always been a tax payer) and I had to pay yet again for silicone removing from my lymp nodes and replacement of my implants. A few months later the NHS stepped up and did offer to at least remove the faulty implants and then a few months later that woman ( cant remember her name ) hit the front page for getting free implants on the NHS!

I think the NHS should do itself a favour and be more consistant.

Personally I think gender change should be available on the NHS, I dont really know much about it and its affects but I can imagine it must be very hard for the people involved.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely we should be past the stage of calling Gender correction surgery a “sex change operation” or “gender reassignment”

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Looks in, considers original post to be slanted in its' bias, checks the profile of the OP, sees that they don't want to meet any guy that has been with TG, shakes head, mutters why can't people just rub along nicely and goes back to pondering just what shade of foundation would match her skin "

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By *aisy100Woman
over a year ago

wakefield


"Surely we should be past the stage of calling Gender correction surgery a “sex change operation” or “gender reassignment”

"

I dont see how "sex change" or "gender change" is wong wording?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok I'm getting this, some people don't want people to have gender reassignment treatment on the nhs, why, because its disgusting? Because its against nature? Some consider swinging disgusting, keeping yourself fit is against nature, it's only a tiny slither of our history that we have had treadmills and as for "these people have these opperations and I have to pay for it " the amount of tax or ni you would have to be paying for you to pay for a whole gender reassignment would mean you own a whole country so why do you care, the way I'm going to look at it is we all moan about the lack of single women on here, that's all I'm saying

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By *S_PennyTV/TS
over a year ago

Selby


"Surely we should be past the stage of calling Gender correction surgery a “sex change operation” or “gender reassignment”

I dont see how "sex change" or "gender change" is wong wording?

"

It's a matter of perspective really. Yes I consider it to be gender correction but ultimately there is an operation to change or reassign my birth gender.

To be honest I'm not overly worried about the wording, when people think it's ok to question what is surgery that will make my life (more) bearable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Surely we should be past the stage of calling Gender correction surgery a “sex change operation” or “gender reassignment”

I dont see how "sex change" or "gender change" is wong wording?

"

Surely people don’t change sex, they undergo a surgical procedure to provides them with the correct genitalia to match their real gender….

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Surely we should be past the stage of calling Gender correction surgery a “sex change operation” or “gender reassignment”

I dont see how "sex change" or "gender change" is wong wording?

Surely people don’t change sex, they undergo a surgical procedure to provides them with the correct genitalia to match their real gender…. "

I think ya might possibly be just splitting hairs there Soxy - people who only take a passing interest in these subjects don't necessarily know the current 'pc' phrase in usage

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Surely we should be past the stage of calling Gender correction surgery a “sex change operation” or “gender reassignment”

I dont see how "sex change" or "gender change" is wong wording?

Surely people don’t change sex, they undergo a surgical procedure to provides them with the correct genitalia to match their real gender….

I think ya might possibly be just splitting hairs there Soxy - people who only take a passing interest in these subjects don't necessarily know the current 'pc' phrase in usage "

Edna my dear ..... are you therefore suggesting I should keep my trap shut in order prevent these split ends occuring....

sheeeeeeeeezzzzzz you've become such Diva.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Soxy! IS THERE ANY POWER on earth capable of making you do that ? Hahahahahaha

I VERY much doubt it lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Soxy! IS THERE ANY POWER on earth capable of making you do that ? Hahahahahaha

I VERY much doubt it lol "

Edna …….although I must admit there have been occasions when I’m rendered speechless it usually results with my jaw dropping open rather than clamping tight shut!!!!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"I work full time and also help out at my local hospital three hours a week voluntary

I do a trolley service around the wards for patients who can't get up and need a newspaper or a drink etc

..........

"

I'm baffled as to the relevance of this to the question being asked.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Soxy! IS THERE ANY POWER on earth capable of making you do that ? Hahahahahaha

I VERY much doubt it lol

Edna …….although I must admit there have been occasions when I’m rendered speechless it usually results with my jaw dropping open rather than clamping tight shut!!!! "

Yes..........so I've heard

(Touché)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I work full time and also help out at my local hospital three hours a week voluntary

I do a trolley service around the wards for patients who can't get up and need a newspaper or a drink etc

..........

I'm baffled as to the relevance of this to the question being asked."

I think that was to lay out the OP's caring nature and professional expertise in this area before she developed the thrust of her thread I imagine

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I work full time and also help out at my local hospital three hours a week voluntary

I do a trolley service around the wards for patients who can't get up and need a newspaper or a drink etc

..........

I'm baffled as to the relevance of this to the question being asked."

I just took it as part of a preamble that sets the scene……

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"Surely we should be past the stage of calling Gender correction surgery a “sex change operation” or “gender reassignment”

I dont see how "sex change" or "gender change" is wong wording?

"

I think we need a glossary of accepted terminology so not to offend that automatically updates on the hour every hour!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"I work full time and also help out at my local hospital three hours a week voluntary

I do a trolley service around the wards for patients who can't get up and need a newspaper or a drink etc

..........

I'm baffled as to the relevance of this to the question being asked.

I think that was to lay out the OP's caring nature and professional expertise in this area before she developed the thrust of her thread I imagine"

I have a sister in Bearsen but it doesn't make me an authority on sisters or Bearsden.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I work full time and also help out at my local hospital three hours a week voluntary

I do a trolley service around the wards for patients who can't get up and need a newspaper or a drink etc

..........

I'm baffled as to the relevance of this to the question being asked.

I think that was to lay out the OP's caring nature and professional expertise in this area before she developed the thrust of her thread I imagine"

Caring nature, yep. That's what I thought too.

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

Ok like I said on another thread....attack the post not the poster.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Surely we should be past the stage of calling Gender correction surgery a “sex change operation” or “gender reassignment”

I dont see how "sex change" or "gender change" is wong wording?

I think we need a glossary of accepted terminology so not to offend that automatically updates on the hour every hour! "

Lol it's no wonder we feel like we walk on egg shells is it in society. I wouldn't have a clue about whats right or wrong before this thread came along.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Surely we should be past the stage of calling Gender correction surgery a “sex change operation” or “gender reassignment”

I dont see how "sex change" or "gender change" is wong wording?

I think we need a glossary of accepted terminology so not to offend that automatically updates on the hour every hour! "

Please refrain in future from using the word 'glossary' as that has been deemed offensive during the last 30 minutes. First warning

Hehe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I work full time and also help out at my local hospital three hours a week voluntary

I do a trolley service around the wards for patients who can't get up and need a newspaper or a drink etc

..........

I'm baffled as to the relevance of this to the question being asked.

I think that was to lay out the OP's caring nature and professional expertise in this area before she developed the thrust of her thread I imagine

I have a sister in Bearsen but it doesn't make me an authority on sisters or Bearsden.

"

Are they a rock band I've missed?

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling


"I work full time and also help out at my local hospital three hours a week voluntary

I do a trolley service around the wards for patients who can't get up and need a newspaper or a drink etc

My question is should the Nhs pay for sex change operations or should the money go on life saving ops ?

So not a heavily biased question then?

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"Surely we should be past the stage of calling Gender correction surgery a “sex change operation” or “gender reassignment”

I dont see how "sex change" or "gender change" is wong wording?

I think we need a glossary of accepted terminology so not to offend that automatically updates on the hour every hour!

Please refrain in future from using the word 'glossary' as that has been deemed offensive during the last 30 minutes. First warning

Hehe "

Bloody pc brigade!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Child in need of...

Person in need of...

Different departments = different funding? So why try and make an emotive subject more emotive by comparisons that don't exist?

Consider this:

Jane/John is born with both genitalia, so doctors assign a gender but the brain /mind has a different gender assigned (the child grows up to gain the opposite identity to the one the hospital has chosen). Should that person not have that corrected?

Likewise if a person is born with genitalia different to his/her brain/mind, informing that person of their identity, why should the NHS not help? The NHS helps if the person has defective organs so why not in this case? (The defect is an incompatible brain/mind to genitalia).

Sorry if my wording offends anyone

Brain/mind accounts for biology (hypothalamus) and psychology.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Surely we should be past the stage of calling Gender correction surgery a “sex change operation” or “gender reassignment”

I dont see how "sex change" or "gender change" is wong wording?

Surely people don’t change sex, they undergo a surgical procedure to provides them with the correct genitalia to match their real gender…. "

so true soxy......

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