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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Reading that thread got me thinking about discipline and what is and what isn't acceptable.

Do you think corporal punishment should come back and what is your reason for it? There are for and against reasons for doing so. I believe in it only for exceptional circumstances and not for petty things like chatting when you shouldn't, etc. But this thread is open for all to discuss and hopefully no one gets offended by other people's remarks.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

One wrongful conviction...

That is it

So no from me

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"One wrongful conviction...

That is it

So no from me"

Don't mean to offend you by your age hear, but your generation would understand this. Could this method of punishment in certain circumstances help anyone and be a good form of discipline?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think most criminals must have a big ego, they think they can beat the system, or beat the law, Public humiliation would seem to be a good punishment,

ie bring back the stocks in town centres, display a poster of the persons name and crime. And display the person and poster for half a day, he/ she would then be known for what they did, and be humiliated.

too many people are given suspended sentences, and don't have to face their victims.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I think most criminals must have a big ego, they think they can beat the system, or beat the law, Public humiliation would seem to be a good punishment,

ie bring back the stocks in town centres, display a poster of the persons name and crime. And display the person and poster for half a day, he/ she would then be known for what they did, and be humiliated.

too many people are given suspended sentences, and don't have to face their victims."

I should have said punishment in schools. Not necessrily breaking the law

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

What about branding across the forehead or, if there are concerns about inflicting pain, maybe a tattoo?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think most criminals must have a big ego, they think they can beat the system, or beat the law, Public humiliation would seem to be a good punishment,

ie bring back the stocks in town centres, display a poster of the persons name and crime. And display the person and poster for half a day, he/ she would then be known for what they did, and be humiliated.

too many people are given suspended sentences, and don't have to face their victims.

I should have said punishment in schools. Not necessrily breaking the law "

Are you starting with the teachers and staff?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The threat of it worked when I was at school...

You never wanted that call to the heads study.

Our head only caned two, in the six years I was there... But the possibility was a clear and present threat...

Point of order... The commons vote on corporal punishment in schools was lost by One vote....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think most criminals must have a big ego, they think they can beat the system, or beat the law, Public humiliation would seem to be a good punishment,

ie bring back the stocks in town centres, display a poster of the persons name and crime. And display the person and poster for half a day, he/ she would then be known for what they did, and be humiliated.

too many people are given suspended sentences, and don't have to face their victims.

I should have said punishment in schools. Not necessrily breaking the law "

just bring back the naughty step, same principal applies, bullies especially would soon change their ways, a glass box, with the childs crime for everyone to see, its not about pain its more about loss of face,

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I think most criminals must have a big ego, they think they can beat the system, or beat the law, Public humiliation would seem to be a good punishment,

ie bring back the stocks in town centres, display a poster of the persons name and crime. And display the person and poster for half a day, he/ she would then be known for what they did, and be humiliated.

too many people are given suspended sentences, and don't have to face their victims.

I should have said punishment in schools. Not necessrily breaking the law

Are you starting with the teachers and staff?

"

Basically ask anyone who is 50+. They will all say most children have no respect for their elders and don't respect authority and in my day we did this and has it done then any harm? No it hasn't. I am not saying dish it out to everyone whose badly behaved, but measure it properly because at the end of the day everyone has a limit on how to discipline a child and what to do, etc. So what happens when that doesn't work. Whether its at home or in school? Also they say it embarrasses the child and lowers their confidence. So surely of their bullies with massive egos it will benefit them as they are less disruptive so other children can learn in class and also the bully won't be arrogant next time around. I bet many people in their 50s have either had it or know of someone having it and it either stopped the other person from misbehaving again or it stopped them from even thinking about being badly behaved.

Its not for everyone I agree though.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Might that not just become a badge of honour, like ASBOs were?

And isn't there a risk the public humiliation would further warp the little ******** even further, sending them off in pursuit of some form of revenge?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Might that not just become a badge of honour, like ASBOs were?

And isn't there a risk the public humiliation would further warp the little ******** even further, sending them off in pursuit of some form of revenge?"

That's the only problem I see with it, but when bullying is concerned. What else is a child supposed to do? Just read an interesting fact on bullying too. So bullying has to be tackled sooner rather than later.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think most criminals must have a big ego, they think they can beat the system, or beat the law, Public humiliation would seem to be a good punishment,

ie bring back the stocks in town centres, display a poster of the persons name and crime. And display the person and poster for half a day, he/ she would then be known for what they did, and be humiliated.

too many people are given suspended sentences, and don't have to face their victims.

I should have said punishment in schools. Not necessrily breaking the law

Are you starting with the teachers and staff?

Basically ask anyone who is 50+. They will all say most children have no respect for their elders and don't respect authority and in my day we did this and has it done then any harm? No it hasn't. I am not saying dish it out to everyone whose badly behaved, but measure it properly because at the end of the day everyone has a limit on how to discipline a child and what to do, etc. So what happens when that doesn't work. Whether its at home or in school? Also they say it embarrasses the child and lowers their confidence. So surely of their bullies with massive egos it will benefit them as they are less disruptive so other children can learn in class and also the bully won't be arrogant next time around. I bet many people in their 50s have either had it or know of someone having it and it either stopped the other person from misbehaving again or it stopped them from even thinking about being badly behaved.

Its not for everyone I agree though. "

THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH THAT STATMENT IS ASK YOURSELF THIS , WHO ARE YOU TO DECIDE THE PROPER AMOUNT OF MEASURE,,, ANY WHO IS ANY HUMAN TO DECIDE THIS FOR ANOTHER

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I think most criminals must have a big ego, they think they can beat the system, or beat the law, Public humiliation would seem to be a good punishment,

ie bring back the stocks in town centres, display a poster of the persons name and crime. And display the person and poster for half a day, he/ she would then be known for what they did, and be humiliated.

too many people are given suspended sentences, and don't have to face their victims.

I should have said punishment in schools. Not necessrily breaking the law

Are you starting with the teachers and staff?

Basically ask anyone who is 50+. They will all say most children have no respect for their elders and don't respect authority and in my day we did this and has it done then any harm? No it hasn't. I am not saying dish it out to everyone whose badly behaved, but measure it properly because at the end of the day everyone has a limit on how to discipline a child and what to do, etc. So what happens when that doesn't work. Whether its at home or in school? Also they say it embarrasses the child and lowers their confidence. So surely of their bullies with massive egos it will benefit them as they are less disruptive so other children can learn in class and also the bully won't be arrogant next time around. I bet many people in their 50s have either had it or know of someone having it and it either stopped the other person from misbehaving again or it stopped them from even thinking about being badly behaved.

Its not for everyone I agree though.

THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH THAT STATMENT IS ASK YOURSELF THIS , WHO ARE YOU TO DECIDE THE PROPER AMOUNT OF MEASURE,,, ANY WHO IS ANY HUMAN TO DECIDE THIS FOR ANOTHER "

Bullying being one or anyone constantly disrupting others while they are trying to learn. Why should a class suffer because of one arrogant child . Maybe the local schools could have meetings with parents and other authorities to discuss it. When its considered as ok and when it isn't. I agree who am I to call it, but that's why I said teachers/parents, etc should get together and discuss it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"The threat of it worked when I was at school...

You never wanted that call to the heads study.

Our head only caned two, in the six years I was there... But the possibility was a clear and present threat...

Point of order... The commons vote on corporal punishment in schools was lost by One vote...."

Exactly the point I was trying to make.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"I think most criminals must have a big ego, they think they can beat the system, or beat the law, Public humiliation would seem to be a good punishment,

ie bring back the stocks in town centres, display a poster of the persons name and crime. And display the person and poster for half a day, he/ she would then be known for what they did, and be humiliated.

too many people are given suspended sentences, and don't have to face their victims.

I should have said punishment in schools. Not necessrily breaking the law

Are you starting with the teachers and staff?

Basically ask anyone who is 50+. They will all say most children have no respect for their elders and don't respect authority and in my day we did this and has it done then any harm? No it hasn't. I am not saying dish it out to everyone whose badly behaved, but measure it properly because at the end of the day everyone has a limit on how to discipline a child and what to do, etc. So what happens when that doesn't work. Whether its at home or in school? Also they say it embarrasses the child and lowers their confidence. So surely of their bullies with massive egos it will benefit them as they are less disruptive so other children can learn in class and also the bully won't be arrogant next time around. I bet many people in their 50s have either had it or know of someone having it and it either stopped the other person from misbehaving again or it stopped them from even thinking about being badly behaved.

Its not for everyone I agree though. "

Funny, all the people who make a noise about bringing caning back, even of that generation were rarely caned.

The only person I know of that generation who has talked about it is my dad, who was beaten black and blue by his schoolmasters and no, he doesn't want to see it come back.

If he is to be believed teachers enjoyed it, and what do we say about grown men who enjoy beating boys bottoms with sticks?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and who could possiably have the moral athority to apoint people to mke ther right judgment in all cases to weather or to punish another person ,,, let alone another child.. what you are taliking about is the kinda think which leads the children being beaten and thus bullied by adults abuseing apointed posts or moral power,,, eh i think man has tried and failed many a time at that

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

Just to add - it wasn't always sticks - he had a schoolmaster who used to beat boys with his shoes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"and who could possiably have the moral athority to apoint people to make the right judgment in all cases, as to weather or not to punish another person ,,, let alone another child.. what you are taliking about is the kinda think which leads the children being beaten and thus bullied by adults abuseing apointed posts or moral power,,, eh i think man has tried and failed many a time at that "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hated school, was bullied for being fat and being gay.

I was caned every Monday morning after assembly, then spent next 4 days playing truant.

It was a price I was happy to pay for escaping from being bullied, and not just by pupils, by 2 teachers as well, hence leaving school at first chance with no qualifications. but it was my choice.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I think most criminals must have a big ego, they think they can beat the system, or beat the law, Public humiliation would seem to be a good punishment,

ie bring back the stocks in town centres, display a poster of the persons name and crime. And display the person and poster for half a day, he/ she would then be known for what they did, and be humiliated.

too many people are given suspended sentences, and don't have to face their victims.

I should have said punishment in schools. Not necessrily breaking the law

Are you starting with the teachers and staff?

Basically ask anyone who is 50+. They will all say most children have no respect for their elders and don't respect authority and in my day we did this and has it done then any harm? No it hasn't. I am not saying dish it out to everyone whose badly behaved, but measure it properly because at the end of the day everyone has a limit on how to discipline a child and what to do, etc. So what happens when that doesn't work. Whether its at home or in school? Also they say it embarrasses the child and lowers their confidence. So surely of their bullies with massive egos it will benefit them as they are less disruptive so other children can learn in class and also the bully won't be arrogant next time around. I bet many people in their 50s have either had it or know of someone having it and it either stopped the other person from misbehaving again or it stopped them from even thinking about being badly behaved.

Its not for everyone I agree though.

Funny, all the people who make a noise about bringing caning back, even of that generation were rarely caned.

The only person I know of that generation who has talked about it is my dad, who was beaten black and blue by his schoolmasters and no, he doesn't want to see it come back.

If he is to be believed teachers enjoyed it, and what do we say about grown men who enjoy beating boys bottoms with sticks?"

From what I hear that's the teacher abusing their authority. I was told it was one swipe on your hands. Anything more is too much.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

how mny nice decent people do you know who wouldnt harm a child ,,, were raised with physical punishment as part of their upbringing ??????

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"I think most criminals must have a big ego, they think they can beat the system, or beat the law, Public humiliation would seem to be a good punishment,

ie bring back the stocks in town centres, display a poster of the persons name and crime. And display the person and poster for half a day, he/ she would then be known for what they did, and be humiliated.

too many people are given suspended sentences, and don't have to face their victims.

I should have said punishment in schools. Not necessrily breaking the law

Are you starting with the teachers and staff?

Basically ask anyone who is 50+. They will all say most children have no respect for their elders and don't respect authority and in my day we did this and has it done then any harm? No it hasn't. I am not saying dish it out to everyone whose badly behaved, but measure it properly because at the end of the day everyone has a limit on how to discipline a child and what to do, etc. So what happens when that doesn't work. Whether its at home or in school? Also they say it embarrasses the child and lowers their confidence. So surely of their bullies with massive egos it will benefit them as they are less disruptive so other children can learn in class and also the bully won't be arrogant next time around. I bet many people in their 50s have either had it or know of someone having it and it either stopped the other person from misbehaving again or it stopped them from even thinking about being badly behaved.

Its not for everyone I agree though.

Funny, all the people who make a noise about bringing caning back, even of that generation were rarely caned.

The only person I know of that generation who has talked about it is my dad, who was beaten black and blue by his schoolmasters and no, he doesn't want to see it come back.

If he is to be believed teachers enjoyed it, and what do we say about grown men who enjoy beating boys bottoms with sticks?

From what I hear that's the teacher abusing their authority. I was told it was one swipe on your hands. Anything more is too much. "

Give people who enjoy beating kids justification for doing it and some will push it further than others.

I have remembered my neighbour talking about it now (I'd forgotten, sorry) and when he was a kid (country boy), when you were to have the cane, youd be sent out to cut it from the hedge yourself - the headmaster didn't keep a cane, so youd get to think about your punishment as you cut the switch which you were going to be beaten with.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"how mny nice decent people do you know who wouldnt harm a child ,,, were raised with physical punishment as part of their upbringing ??????

"

I knew plenty of people who are the most decent people around and their version of a hit/slap was one single hit with their own hand across someone's legs/bottom. Do that at the correct age and children will learn right from wrong. Do it when they are a bit older and they'll think about revenge, etc. Also they believe anyone who does more than that should be punished themselves as its uncalled for. These people were the most genuine and kindest people I have ever seen in my life as apart from what I said they disagree with other forms of hitting and as the cane was around at the time. The children involved were too afraid to mis behave. Those children left school and got great jobs and have the perfect respect for society. So it is possible to have a cane that possible for use in school and to smack your own child and still be considered as decent as these children love and respect their parents not fear them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"how mny nice decent people do you know who wouldnt harm a child ,,, were raised with physical punishment as part of their upbringing ??????

I knew plenty of people who are the most decent people around and their version of a hit/slap was one single hit with their own hand across someone's legs/bottom. Do that at the correct age and children will learn right from wrong. Do it when they are a bit older and they'll think about revenge, etc. Also they believe anyone who does more than that should be punished themselves as its uncalled for. These people were the most genuine and kindest people I have ever seen in my life as apart from what I said they disagree with other forms of hitting and as the cane was around at the time. The children involved were too afraid to mis behave. Those children left school and got great jobs and have the perfect respect for society. So it is possible to have a cane that possible for use in school and to smack your own child and still be considered as decent as these children love and respect their parents not fear them. "

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"One wrongful conviction...

That is it

So no from me

Don't mean to offend you by your age hear, but your generation would understand this. Could this method of punishment in certain circumstances help anyone and be a good form of discipline?

It's the thin end of the wedge,before you know it they'll be executing people just cause they're arseholes,

That'll make you a goner.

(no offence) "

lol

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow


"One wrongful conviction...

That is it

So no from me

Don't mean to offend you by your age hear, but your generation would understand this. Could this method of punishment in certain circumstances help anyone and be a good form of discipline? "

It's the thin end of the wedge,before you know it they'll be executing people just cause they're arseholes,

That'll make you a goner.

(no offence)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Basically ask anyone who is 50+. They will all say most children have no respect for their elders and don't respect authority and in my day we did this and has it done then any harm? No it hasn't. I am not saying dish it out to everyone whose badly behaved, but measure it properly because at the end of the day everyone has a limit on how to discipline a child and what to do, etc. So what happens when that doesn't work. Whether its at home or in school? Also they say it embarrasses the child and lowers their confidence. So surely of their bullies with massive egos it will benefit them as they are less disruptive so other children can learn in class and also the bully won't be arrogant next time around. I bet many people in their 50s have either had it or know of someone having it and it either stopped the other person from misbehaving again or it stopped them from even thinking about being badly behaved.

Its not for everyone I agree though. "

You could say that people from the Victorian era would have said the same thing about the kids of 50 years ago...

Fear is not respect.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

Basically ask anyone who is 50+. They will all say most children have no respect for their elders and don't respect authority and in my day we did this and has it done then any harm? No it hasn't. I am not saying dish it out to everyone whose badly behaved, but measure it properly because at the end of the day everyone has a limit on how to discipline a child and what to do, etc. So what happens when that doesn't work. Whether its at home or in school? Also they say it embarrasses the child and lowers their confidence. So surely of their bullies with massive egos it will benefit them as they are less disruptive so other children can learn in class and also the bully won't be arrogant next time around. I bet many people in their 50s have either had it or know of someone having it and it either stopped the other person from misbehaving again or it stopped them from even thinking about being badly behaved.

Its not for everyone I agree though.

You could say that people from the Victorian era would have said the same thing about the kids of 50 years ago...

Fear is not respect. "

I know fear and respect are two different things. However if it stops people smashing windows, bullying, etc. I don't care what does it. The fear or respect as why should innocent people suffer because of one child who knows they can get away with anything as some children are uncontrollable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I hated school, was bullied for being fat and being gay.

I was caned every Monday morning after assembly, then spent next 4 days playing truant.

It was a price I was happy to pay for escaping from being bullied, and not just by pupils, by 2 teachers as well, hence leaving school at first chance with no qualifications. but it was my choice."

Now that really bugs me, because on the other thread you were pro discipline in school - yet now you're saying that you were bullied by teachers also!!!

No disrespect intended but don't you think that something is astray here?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just adding my two-penith, naughty step theory works perfectly.

Warn

Punish by exclusion

Rehabilitate to group

Repeat til no longer necessary.

Physical punishment is not acceptable in today's age (unless specifically asked for between consenting adults)

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

Re use of cane etc my childrens school recently had its centenery celebrations part of this was a display including the punishment book it was noted that the same pupils were punished for the same offences week in and week out so clearly the cane wasn't a deterant for some .I was caned twice at school both times by the same teacher did I respect him afterwards ? No both times in fact if anything my behavior towards him became worse as he had done his worst. And I was still here. So was very inefective. On the otherhand the teacher that disiplined me by stoping priveliges got the results they wanted

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Re use of cane etc my childrens school recently had its centenery celebrations part of this was a display including the punishment book it was noted that the same pupils were punished for the same offences week in and week out so clearly the cane wasn't a deterant for some .I was caned twice at school both times by the same teacher did I respect him afterwards ? No both times in fact if anything my behavior towards him became worse as he had done his worst. And I was still here. So was very inefective. On the otherhand the teacher that disiplined me by stoping priveliges got the results they wanted

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this

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"One wrongful conviction...

That is it

So no from me

Don't mean to offend you by your age hear, "

my age, yes you may be right.

I read it as Capital Punishment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Get ur own ideas stop stealing mine or I'm going to do a thread about pple who steal other pples thread ideas

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Basically ask anyone who is 50+. They will all say most children have no respect for their elders and don't respect authority and in my day we did this and has it done then any harm? No it hasn't. I am not saying dish it out to everyone whose badly behaved, but measure it properly because at the end of the day everyone has a limit on how to discipline a child and what to do, etc. So what happens when that doesn't work. Whether its at home or in school? Also they say it embarrasses the child and lowers their confidence. So surely of their bullies with massive egos it will benefit them as they are less disruptive so other children can learn in class and also the bully won't be arrogant next time around. I bet many people in their 50s have either had it or know of someone having it and it either stopped the other person from misbehaving again or it stopped them from even thinking about being badly behaved.

Its not for everyone I agree though.

You could say that people from the Victorian era would have said the same thing about the kids of 50 years ago...

Fear is not respect.

I know fear and respect are two different things. However if it stops people smashing windows, bullying, etc. I don't care what does it. The fear or respect as why should innocent people suffer because of one child who knows they can get away with anything as some children are uncontrollable. "

children arnt met to be controlled and the fact that you dont care how you controll children just the fact that you can controll them. well that paints a picture of a stonage caveman who wasnt nutured enought,,,, really did you read thin on a cave or what?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Get ur own ideas stop stealing mine or I'm going to do a thread about pple who steal other pples thread ideas "

my god your avatar pic is nothing short of !!!!!!!!!!WOW WOW WOW!!!!!!!!!X X X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When my eldest son was in school got bullied because he was tall and well built. A gentle giant. After repeatedly goung to see the headmaster snd him suspending and excluding all the bullies it continued. I told the head we had done things his way and we were now going to do it mine. I told my son toget the ring lleader snd beat the crap out of him. They never bullied him again. Sometimes its fight gire with fire.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"When my eldest son was in school got bullied because he was tall and well built. A gentle giant. After repeatedly goung to see the headmaster snd him suspending and excluding all the bullies it continued. I told the head we had done things his way and we were now going to do it mine. I told my son toget the ring lleader snd beat the crap out of him. They never bullied him again. Sometimes its fight gire with fire. "

yes thats good but i wouldnt advice it for all young people , as some people wont take a beating lying down,,, and things can go south ,, real quick.

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