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By *lentyoffun40 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire

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By *lentyoffun40 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire

A NHS confederation briefing in 2012

Said that there was a shortfall of £2billion in social care funding

And it was not sustainable for the NHS to pay towards this indicating that the NHS has already got a target from government to save 4- 5 billion a year

Today's news suggests that we spend £2billion a year treating foreign nationals and health tourists

Lets discuss

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By *rumCoupleCouple
over a year ago

birmingham


"A NHS confederation briefing in 2012

Said that there was a shortfall of £2billion in social care funding

And it was not sustainable for the NHS to pay towards this indicating that the NHS has already got a target from government to save 4- 5 billion a year

Today's news suggests that we spend £2billion a year treating foreign nationals and health tourists

Lets discuss "

Well lets start with that figure. Where did it come from, and how accurate is it being stated as ? Because todays news can say lots of things, but they ain't necessarily so.

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By *lentyoffun40 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire


"A NHS confederation briefing in 2012

Said that there was a shortfall of £2billion in social care funding

And it was not sustainable for the NHS to pay towards this indicating that the NHS has already got a target from government to save 4- 5 billion a year

Today's news suggests that we spend £2billion a year treating foreign nationals and health tourists

Lets discuss

Well lets start with that figure. Where did it come from, and how accurate is it being stated as ? Because todays news can say lots of things, but they ain't necessarily so."

Well it was research done for DFH

And says that 388 million is spent on foreigners who should pay

However only 73milion is ever recovered

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"..........

Today's news suggests that we spend £2billion a year treating foreign nationals and health tourists

Lets discuss "

Even if that figure is correct and even if the shortfall in collection is as stated elsewhere on this thread, what are we to do about it?

Do we leave heart attack patients lying in the street 'cos they can't pay for having a stent fitted?

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By *rumCoupleCouple
over a year ago

birmingham


"A NHS confederation briefing in 2012

Said that there was a shortfall of £2billion in social care funding

And it was not sustainable for the NHS to pay towards this indicating that the NHS has already got a target from government to save 4- 5 billion a year

Today's news suggests that we spend £2billion a year treating foreign nationals and health tourists

Lets discuss

Well lets start with that figure. Where did it come from, and how accurate is it being stated as ? Because todays news can say lots of things, but they ain't necessarily so.

Well it was research done for DFH

And says that 388 million is spent on foreigners who should pay

However only 73milion is ever recovered "

So we've already gone from the headline grabbing "£2 BILLION" to £313 million ?

I give this thread 10 replies before we start talking about ID cards.

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By *imon and saffyCouple
over a year ago

southampton

Valid problem. Why should we all have to have travel insurance but everyone else not.

However, this is just the latest headline given by the government to keep us all angry at select minor groups. While they are about to have a big pay rise and keep all their privileges and their banker mates likewise. Sad fact is we all keep falling for it. The real villains are still at large but we never seem to concentrate on them.

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By *lentyoffun40 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire


"A NHS confederation briefing in 2012

Said that there was a shortfall of £2billion in social care funding

And it was not sustainable for the NHS to pay towards this indicating that the NHS has already got a target from government to save 4- 5 billion a year

Today's news suggests that we spend £2billion a year treating foreign nationals and health tourists

Lets discuss

Well lets start with that figure. Where did it come from, and how accurate is it being stated as ? Because todays news can say lots of things, but they ain't necessarily so.

Well it was research done for DFH

And says that 388 million is spent on foreigners who should pay

However only 73milion is ever recovered

So we've already gone from the headline grabbing "£2 BILLION" to £313 million ?

I give this thread 10 replies before we start talking about ID cards."

That figure is what they could get in payments

The cost to health visitors is around 2 billion

Now whether or not that is a precise figure is irrelevant and not aimed at being a "grabbing" headline

What I'm asking is

Is it fair that we pay for health costs when visiting other countries?

Seems like once again the uk is a soft touch and easy target

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"A NHS confederation briefing in 2012

Said that there was a shortfall of £2billion in social care funding

And it was not sustainable for the NHS to pay towards this indicating that the NHS has already got a target from government to save 4- 5 billion a year

Today's news suggests that we spend £2billion a year treating foreign nationals and health tourists

Lets discuss

Well lets start with that figure. Where did it come from, and how accurate is it being stated as ? Because todays news can say lots of things, but they ain't necessarily so.

Well it was research done for DFH

And says that 388 million is spent on foreigners who should pay

However only 73milion is ever recovered

So we've already gone from the headline grabbing "£2 BILLION" to £313 million ?

I give this thread 10 replies before we start talking about ID cards."

We already have a system where, if you don't have a UK national insurance number, you have to jump through hoops to enrol with a GP (and rightly so).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A NHS confederation briefing in 2012

Said that there was a shortfall of £2billion in social care funding

And it was not sustainable for the NHS to pay towards this indicating that the NHS has already got a target from government to save 4- 5 billion a year

Today's news suggests that we spend £2billion a year treating foreign nationals and health tourists

Lets discuss

Well lets start with that figure. Where did it come from, and how accurate is it being stated as ? Because todays news can say lots of things, but they ain't necessarily so.

Well it was research done for DFH

And says that 388 million is spent on foreigners who should pay

However only 73milion is ever recovered

So we've already gone from the headline grabbing "£2 BILLION" to £313 million ?

I give this thread 10 replies before we start talking about ID cards.

We already have a system where, if you don't have a UK national insurance number, you have to jump through hoops to enrol with a GP (and rightly so)."

Enrollment isn't really the problem - anybody can access treatment from a GP through 111, walk-in centres, A&E etc. The figure I heard on the BBC news was £500 million on treatment of non-registered foreign nationals.

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By *rumCoupleCouple
over a year ago

birmingham

If the government wanted £2Billion, it just needs to ask Vodafone for a third of the tax they should have paid.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"If the government wanted £2Billion, it just needs to ask Vodafone for a third of the tax they should have paid."

This govt likes Vodaphone.

It doesn't like foreigners.

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By *ogistical NightmaresCouple
over a year ago

Manchester Area

A friend of mine travelled to Spain with travel insurance but forgot to mention an existing medical condition.

When he had problems, the insurance company, rightly, refused to pay out. So he could not get a refund of what he had paid.

If an EU country charges a fellow EU member, why should our Health Service treat, for free, others wherever they come from.

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By *rumCoupleCouple
over a year ago

birmingham


"A friend of mine travelled to Spain with travel insurance but forgot to mention an existing medical condition.

When he had problems, the insurance company, rightly, refused to pay out. So he could not get a refund of what he had paid.

If an EU country charges a fellow EU member, why should our Health Service treat, for free, others wherever they come from.

"

But then in Spain they lock the hospital doors, as MrsJ found when she injured herself a few years back. The ambulance had to drive through a huddle of people begging for treatment because they couldn't afford it.

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By *ogistical NightmaresCouple
over a year ago

Manchester Area

Call our NHS, but you can get treatment, ok it may take time, but we aren't begging to be treated

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"A friend of mine travelled to Spain with travel insurance but forgot to mention an existing medical condition.

When he had problems, the insurance company, rightly, refused to pay out. So he could not get a refund of what he had paid.

If an EU country charges a fellow EU member, why should our Health Service treat, for free, others wherever they come from.

"

Wouldn't an EHIC have been valid for existing conditions in an EU country?

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By *ogistical NightmaresCouple
over a year ago

Manchester Area


"A friend of mine travelled to Spain with travel insurance but forgot to mention an existing medical condition.

When he had problems, the insurance company, rightly, refused to pay out. So he could not get a refund of what he had paid.

If an EU country charges a fellow EU member, why should our Health Service treat, for free, others wherever they come from.

Wouldn't an EHIC have been valid for existing conditions in an EU country?"

Not for treatment. You are still told to take out travel insurance for any EU state

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By *ogistical NightmaresCouple
over a year ago

Manchester Area


"A friend of mine travelled to Spain with travel insurance but forgot to mention an existing medical condition.

When he had problems, the insurance company, rightly, refused to pay out. So he could not get a refund of what he had paid.

If an EU country charges a fellow EU member, why should our Health Service treat, for free, others wherever they come from.

Wouldn't an EHIC have been valid for existing conditions in an EU country?

Not for treatment. You are still told to take out travel insurance for any EU state"

I quote

Your EHIC lets you get state healthcare at a reduced cost or sometimes for free. It will cover you for treatment that is needed to allow you to continue your stay until your planned return

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


".....

Not for treatment. You are still told to take out travel insurance for any EU state

I quote

Your EHIC lets you get state healthcare at a reduced cost or sometimes for free. It will cover you for treatment that is needed to allow you to continue your stay until your planned return"

That para goes on to say you're covered for pre existing medical conditions.

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By *rumCoupleCouple
over a year ago

birmingham


"A friend of mine travelled to Spain with travel insurance but forgot to mention an existing medical condition.

When he had problems, the insurance company, rightly, refused to pay out. So he could not get a refund of what he had paid.

If an EU country charges a fellow EU member, why should our Health Service treat, for free, others wherever they come from.

Wouldn't an EHIC have been valid for existing conditions in an EU country?"

IIRC the EHIC simply entitles you to the minimum standard of care in the country you are in. And different countries have different minimums, hence the advice to TAKE OUT TRAVEL INSURANCE.

Pre existing conditions can be a nuisance, but you need to declare them or you might find you have no insurance. As a rule, insurance won't cover treatment for, or relating to, a pre-existing condition.

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By *rumCoupleCouple
over a year ago

birmingham


".....

Not for treatment. You are still told to take out travel insurance for any EU state

I quote

Your EHIC lets you get state healthcare at a reduced cost or sometimes for free. It will cover you for treatment that is needed to allow you to continue your stay until your planned return

That para goes on to say you're covered for pre existing medical conditions."

But only to the minimum standard in the country you're in. Which might not be much.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

I can't see anything about minimum standard on the EHIC website. I'm not even sure how you deliver medical care to a 'minimum standard'.

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By *rumCoupleCouple
over a year ago

birmingham

Each country’s healthcare system is slightly different. Therefore, your EHIC might not cover everything that would be free on the NHS. However, you should be able to get the same treatment as a resident of the country you're visiting.

In some countries, you may have to pay a patient contribution, also known as a co-payment. See our county-by-country guide for more information.

You may be able to get a refund for these payments when you're back in the UK if you could not do so in the country where you were treated.

The EHIC will cover any medical treatment that becomes necessary during your trip, for example because of either illness or an accident. (In an emergency you can dial the European emergency number 112 from any telephone or mobile phone).

The card gives access to reduced-cost or free medical treatment from state healthcare providers.

It includes treatment of a chronic or pre-existing medical condition that becomes necessary during your visit.

It includes routine maternity care (not only because of illness or accident), as long as you're not going abroad to give birth. However, where the birth happens unexpectedly, the card will cover the cost of all medical treatment for mother and baby that is linked to the birth.

The card covers the provision of oxygen and kidney dialysis. You will have to arrange and pre-book these treatments before you go on holiday. You can ask your GP or hospital for advice, but make sure you are not booked with a private healthcare provider as these are not covered by the EHIC.

The card also covers routine medical care for people with pre-existing conditions that need monitoring.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A NHS confederation briefing in 2012

Said that there was a shortfall of £2billion in social care funding

And it was not sustainable for the NHS to pay towards this indicating that the NHS has already got a target from government to save 4- 5 billion a year

Today's news suggests that we spend £2billion a year treating foreign nationals and health tourists

Lets discuss "

The ones who come here just to get medical help need stopping the rest well it depends what the rules between their country and ours is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just to clarify social care funding is paid for by social services. They means test. Nhs pays a contribution to the folks in nursing homes and pay for all the care when they meet the criteria for fill funding. The nhs don't means test anyone. It's all in the legislation & practice guidance x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oops didn't mean for it all to go quiet. Without the adequate social care in place health declines and more people end up in a & e & have to be placed. So it's all interlinked but the nhs can't take up the slack for social services cutbacks x

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