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ATOS - Vote of no confidence

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Islington Council have taken a vote of no confidence in ATOS on delivery of assessments. There's not a lot they can do about it as ATOS holds a national contract.

However, if all the other local authorities took such a vote would government have to reconsider the contract?

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By *ucsparkMan
over a year ago

dudley


"Islington Council have taken a vote of no confidence in ATOS on delivery of assessments. There's not a lot they can do about it as ATOS holds a national contract.

However, if all the other local authorities took such a vote would government have to reconsider the contract?"

You would hope so, but I doubt that the government would listen. The sale of smoke grenades and mirror have gone though the roof since they came into power. Every week you hear of ATOS getting caned and still they do nothing

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Islington Council have taken a vote of no confidence in ATOS on delivery of assessments. There's not a lot they can do about it as ATOS holds a national contract.

However, if all the other local authorities took such a vote would government have to reconsider the contract?

You would hope so, but I doubt that the government would listen. The sale of smoke grenades and mirror have gone though the roof since they came into power. Every week you hear of ATOS getting caned and still they do nothing"

I wonder what the contract terms are that it makes them impervious to all challenge.

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By *ucsparkMan
over a year ago

dudley


"Islington Council have taken a vote of no confidence in ATOS on delivery of assessments. There's not a lot they can do about it as ATOS holds a national contract.

However, if all the other local authorities took such a vote would government have to reconsider the contract?

You would hope so, but I doubt that the government would listen. The sale of smoke grenades and mirror have gone though the roof since they came into power. Every week you hear of ATOS getting caned and still they do nothing

I wonder what the contract terms are that it makes them impervious to all challenge."

If it anything like the one they have signed for EDF it probably ten year notice period for government and ten second for ATOS

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

I get the impression that with govt contracts once it's up and running (or not) the govt crosses it off the to do list and never bothers to put it on the review now and then to confirm we're getting value for money list...

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By *ucsparkMan
over a year ago

dudley


"I get the impression that with govt contracts once it's up and running (or not) the govt crosses it off the to do list and never bothers to put it on the review now and then to confirm we're getting value for money list... "

I like the idea of fit for work, but there has to be something to back it up. Doctor that do not speak English and OT that know little about disability in my view is not the way to go

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"I get the impression that with govt contracts once it's up and running (or not) the govt crosses it off the to do list and never bothers to put it on the review now and then to confirm we're getting value for money list... "

I think that is probably true.

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"I get the impression that with govt contracts once it's up and running (or not) the govt crosses it off the to do list and never bothers to put it on the review now and then to confirm we're getting value for money list...

I like the idea of fit for work, but there has to be something to back it up. Doctor that do not speak English and OT that know little about disability in my view is not the way to go "

If you see a doctor.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"Islington Council have taken a vote of no confidence in ATOS on delivery of assessments. There's not a lot they can do about it as ATOS holds a national contract.

However, if all the other local authorities took such a vote would government have to reconsider the contract?

You would hope so, but I doubt that the government would listen. The sale of smoke grenades and mirror have gone though the roof since they came into power. Every week you hear of ATOS getting caned and still they do nothing

I wonder what the contract terms are that it makes them impervious to all challenge."

They are doing what the government want and forcing unwell and disabled people off benefits. Why would the government want them challenged or removed?

A fortune is being spent on tribunals but some people give up and some do the decent thing and die during the stressful waiting period.

This way the government get what they want and can wring their hands and proclaim it's not them, it's Atos, and there's nothing they can do.

Atos have lost the monopoly on PIP assessments, although from looking at the criteria, they aren't needed as virtually nobody will pass a PIP assessment.

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield


"I get the impression that with govt contracts once it's up and running (or not) the govt crosses it off the to do list and never bothers to put it on the review now and then to confirm we're getting value for money list...

I like the idea of fit for work, but there has to be something to back it up. Doctor that do not speak English and OT that know little about disability in my view is not the way to go "

I'm looking forward to getting the call from Atos soon. I believe that technically I am soon to be fit for work but since I still have regular hospital appointments which can take six hours and will be having more major surgery in around six months I'm not exactly a tempting prospect for an employer!

And if they put me on JSA how many interviews will I have to attend knowing that I won't get a job offer as soon as I mention how much sick time they'll have to give me?

My GP and any of my consultants see the sense of this, ATOS only see the rules.

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By *ucsparkMan
over a year ago

dudley


"I get the impression that with govt contracts once it's up and running (or not) the govt crosses it off the to do list and never bothers to put it on the review now and then to confirm we're getting value for money list...

I like the idea of fit for work, but there has to be something to back it up. Doctor that do not speak English and OT that know little about disability in my view is not the way to go

If you see a doctor."

I know of people that have been given a CVI by a consultant and a Junior house doctor has said it means nothing

CVI certificate of visual impairment

Then again I know of a job centre that gave a text written form to a blind man to fill out, when he said that he could not he was asked to get his blind wife to take it to work and get a collegue to fill it in

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By *ucsparkMan
over a year ago

dudley


"I get the impression that with govt contracts once it's up and running (or not) the govt crosses it off the to do list and never bothers to put it on the review now and then to confirm we're getting value for money list...

I like the idea of fit for work, but there has to be something to back it up. Doctor that do not speak English and OT that know little about disability in my view is not the way to go

I'm looking forward to getting the call from Atos soon. I believe that technically I am soon to be fit for work but since I still have regular hospital appointments which can take six hours and will be having more major surgery in around six months I'm not exactly a tempting prospect for an employer!

And if they put me on JSA how many interviews will I have to attend knowing that I won't get a job offer as soon as I mention how much sick time they'll have to give me?

My GP and any of my consultants see the sense of this, ATOS only see the rules."

ATOS do not make the rules or make the final decision absolut madness

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

The rules haven't changed, they are the same as they were prior to ATOS. But prior to ATOS they were applied with more discretion and understanding by medical practitioners.

If I am deemed fit for work I will have to spend lots of hours looking for/applying for jobs which I know I will never be offered. What business will offer a job to someone who they will have to pay large amounts out in sick pay in the near future?

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"The rules haven't changed, they are the same as they were prior to ATOS. But prior to ATOS they were applied with more discretion and understanding by medical practitioners.

If I am deemed fit for work I will have to spend lots of hours looking for/applying for jobs which I know I will never be offered. What business will offer a job to someone who they will have to pay large amounts out in sick pay in the near future?"

That will be your job.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Atos do, however, twist facts and tell outright lies to allow a fit for work decision to be made. That's their remit.

I believe the rumour that they get a bonus for each person they assess who is found fit for work, has been shown to be true. Not certain about that though.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Atos do, however, twist facts and tell outright lies to allow a fit for work decision to be made. That's their remit.

I believe the rumour that they get a bonus for each person they assess who is found fit for work, has been shown to be true. Not certain about that though."

Id be surprised if they get a bonus for every person they pass as fit, but that person is likely to appeal so they get paid for the retest. A bit like an MOT.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Private Eye have been having a field day with Atos. They have been demonstrated to have made a huge number of incorrect decisions, inaccurate record keeping, faulty assessments and the like. I believe it suits the government as their remit is to force people off of one list onto another and save money.

There was a charming story about how a chap in a wheelchair went for an interview to work for Atos, only to be told to go away, as the interview room wasn't wheelchair accessible. No mention of holding the interview elsewhere or even in the car park...

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Atos do, however, twist facts and tell outright lies to allow a fit for work decision to be made. That's their remit.

I believe the rumour that they get a bonus for each person they assess who is found fit for work, has been shown to be true. Not certain about that though."

A lot of government payments are structured on milestones and results. If a result is deemed to be an assessment of fit to work that structures the business model and the targets you set for staff. Just as A4E claimed more people into work than they had achieved because staff were paid on those results.

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Private Eye have been having a field day with Atos. They have been demonstrated to have made a huge number of incorrect decisions, inaccurate record keeping, faulty assessments and the like. I believe it suits the government as their remit is to force people off of one list onto another and save money.

There was a charming story about how a chap in a wheelchair went for an interview to work for Atos, only to be told to go away, as the interview room wasn't wheelchair accessible. No mention of holding the interview elsewhere or even in the car park... "

Isn't he one of the cases against ATOS using DDA to show they haven't taken reasonable steps to accommodate disability?

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By *ucsparkMan
over a year ago

dudley


"Private Eye have been having a field day with Atos. They have been demonstrated to have made a huge number of incorrect decisions, inaccurate record keeping, faulty assessments and the like. I believe it suits the government as their remit is to force people off of one list onto another and save money.

There was a charming story about how a chap in a wheelchair went for an interview to work for Atos, only to be told to go away, as the interview room wasn't wheelchair accessible. No mention of holding the interview elsewhere or even in the car park...

Isn't he one of the cases against ATOS using DDA to show they haven't taken reasonable steps to accommodate disability?"

From what I have been told there are quite a few in the pipe line and as most building ATOS are government owned it is a sorry state of affairs

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts


"

Isn't he one of the cases against ATOS using DDA to show they haven't taken reasonable steps to accommodate disability?

From what I have been told there are quite a few in the pipe line and as most building ATOS are government owned it is a sorry state of affairs "

Yes, I believe so.

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By *rumCoupleCouple
over a year ago

birmingham


"Private Eye have been having a field day with Atos. They have been demonstrated to have made a huge number of incorrect decisions, inaccurate record keeping, faulty assessments and the like. I believe it suits the government as their remit is to force people off of one list onto another and save money.

There was a charming story about how a chap in a wheelchair went for an interview to work for Atos, only to be told to go away, as the interview room wasn't wheelchair accessible. No mention of holding the interview elsewhere or even in the car park...

Isn't he one of the cases against ATOS using DDA to show they haven't taken reasonable steps to accommodate disability?"

I suspect ATOS will be exempt, since they are effectively working for the government.

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By *ucsparkMan
over a year ago

dudley


"Private Eye have been having a field day with Atos. They have been demonstrated to have made a huge number of incorrect decisions, inaccurate record keeping, faulty assessments and the like. I believe it suits the government as their remit is to force people off of one list onto another and save money.

There was a charming story about how a chap in a wheelchair went for an interview to work for Atos, only to be told to go away, as the interview room wasn't wheelchair accessible. No mention of holding the interview elsewhere or even in the car park...

Isn't he one of the cases against ATOS using DDA to show they haven't taken reasonable steps to accommodate disability?

I suspect ATOS will be exempt, since they are effectively working for the government."

I was led to believe that the government were to be the shining light where DDA was concerned

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