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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

EEEEK!... I watched the Arsenal -v- Stoke City game and saw the tackle that broke Arsenal's Aaron Ramsey's ankle but you couldn't see clearly what happened to the poor lad. I just looked on BBC Sports website and they have a still photo of the player and his leg. OUCH! Man, that had to hurt! His foot is at an acute angle to his leg, like 90 degrees! Poor kid.

I can't say I like Arsenal at all but I am a fan of football and to see that happen is just gut-wrenching. Wishing Aaron Ramsey a speedy recovery.

A Man Utd fan.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"EEEEK!... I watched the Arsenal -v- Stoke City game and saw the tackle that broke Arsenal's Aaron Ramsey's ankle but you couldn't see clearly what happened to the poor lad. I just looked on BBC Sports website and they have a still photo of the player and his leg. OUCH! Man, that had to hurt! His foot is at an acute angle to his leg, like 90 degrees! Poor kid.

I can't say I like Arsenal at all but I am a fan of football and to see that happen is just gut-wrenching. Wishing Aaron Ramsey a speedy recovery.

A Man Utd fan."
oooooooooooooh it was very nasty.......career ending??? i dunno , iv seen plenty of injuries, it wasnt pleasant at all poor bugger

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Fair play to the Sky team for not replaying the incident. You couldn't see from the normal coverage how bad it was but the looks on the other player's faces said it all. They were sickened.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can't say I like Arsenal at all but I am a fan of football and to see that happen is just gut-wrenching. Wishing Aaron Ramsey a speedy recovery.

A Man Utd fan.oooooooooooooh it was very nasty.......career ending??? i dunno , iv seen plenty of injuries, it wasnt pleasant at all poor bugger "

ditto to a speedy recovery to a very good player

(another MU fun)

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"Fair play to the Sky team for not replaying the incident. You couldn't see from the normal coverage how bad it was but the looks on the other player's faces said it all. They were sickened."
bet it crunched as well ewwwwww

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can't say I like Arsenal at all but I am a fan of football and to see that happen is just gut-wrenching. Wishing Aaron Ramsey a speedy recovery.

A Man Utd fan."

I remember Dennis Irwin putting in a tackle against a Coventry player some years back, as it were, Dennis Irwin didn't touch the guy (as far as I recall) but the guy went over and broke his shin, pictures after showed bone poking through, I remember peter schmeichel walking over then start to heave whilst waving his arm frantically for the ref's attention, I can't right now think of that poor guys name, but that ended his career.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

I can't say I like Arsenal at all but I am a fan of football and to see that happen is just gut-wrenching. Wishing Aaron Ramsey a speedy recovery.

A Man Utd fan.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can't say I like Arsenal at all but I am a fan of football and to see that happen is just gut-wrenching. Wishing Aaron Ramsey a speedy recovery.

A Man Utd fan.

That's it, thank you, it was driving me mad.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

I can't say I like Arsenal at all but I am a fan of football and to see that happen is just gut-wrenching. Wishing Aaron Ramsey a speedy recovery.

A Man Utd fan.

That's it, thank you, it was driving me mad.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I also remember Roy Keane ending Alfie haaland's career with a nasty tackle.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I think you may be referring to the tackle by Feyenoord's Paul Bosvelt in 1997. I remember the incident clearly and it was only because Irwin had is back leg firmly planted in the ground that leg wasn't snapped completely. The tackle pushed him over but with such force his medial ligament was torn. The ref took no action against Bosvelt as Feyenoord substituted him in the immediate melee that ensued and while Irwin was still being treated.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

My apologies, just googled Busst and youtube have the incident ... made me feel sick to watch it. Yuk!

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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago

folkestone

Nasty injury, but just a badly time tackle. The one on Robbie Savage last week was far worse because the Swansea player made no attempt to go for the ball. Worse tackle ive ever see was in the 1982 World cup when Harold Schumacher of Germany took out Battison of France with a shoulder barge and didnt even get booked.

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By *randmrssmithMan
over a year ago

london

im an arsenal fan through and through am gutted for him hope he comes back stronger than ever ........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *randmrssmithMan
over a year ago

london

_unchbox i remember that one not a thing was daone about it.......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My apologies, just googled Busst and youtube have the incident ... made me feel sick to watch it. Yuk!"

lol, I just replied to you, had to delete the post.

It's one that sticks in my mind, I remember also Utd holding a game against Coventry with proceeds going towards David Busst.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Nasty injury, but just a badly time tackle. The one on Robbie Savage last week was far worse because the Swansea player made no attempt to go for the ball. Worse tackle ive ever see was in the 1982 World cup when Harold Schumacher of Germany took out Battison of France with a shoulder barge and didnt even get booked. "

Unbelievable! Just watched it on youtube and I can't believe Schumacher wasn't even cautioned for it. It should have been a penalty and Schumacher sent off. What a disgrace.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"My apologies, just googled Busst and youtube have the incident ... made me feel sick to watch it. Yuk!

lol, I just replied to you, had to delete the post.

It's one that sticks in my mind, I remember also Utd holding a game against Coventry with proceeds going towards David Busst."

Just read about it. Gascoine played in that testimonial alongside Les Ferdinand, and, to be fair to Coventry, they paid Busst's wages for the remainder of the season even though it was clear he was never going to kick a ball again.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"im an arsenal fan through and through am gutted for him hope he comes back stronger than ever ........"

I think that is what all arsenal fans were thinking...Eduardo at birmingham city two years ago all over again! and you could see it on all the arsenal's players faces.... I think they have grown up a lot tonight!!

In a way I think it was better that campbell was out there rather than gallas..... I think he was immense and helped them thru it tonight.......

So proud of the boys... i have seen it again and it was awful!!!!

the way the team responded was fantastic........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

good luck to ramsay in his recovery. i was at the match and couldnt quite see how bad it was apart from the reaction on all of the players faces. to be fair it wasnt a malicious challenge from ryan shawcross by any means, he was a tad late and he is not a nasty player by all means, thats his first red card in football.

anyway good luck ramsey

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Like ive said before these clubs have enough money ta give each player their own ball (instead of em fighting over one) then things like that would not happen would they??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"good luck to ramsay in his recovery. i was at the match and couldnt quite see how bad it was apart from the reaction on all of the players faces. to be fair it wasnt a malicious challenge from ryan shawcross by any means, he was a tad late and he is not a nasty player by all means, thats his first red card in football.

anyway good luck ramsey"

Franny Jeffers and Adebayor will both disagree with your not a nasty player comments

Get well soon Aaron

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By *erekduvallCouple
over a year ago

swansea

Although I am A SWANSEA CITY FAN, I wish all the best and hopefully a full recovery to young Ramsey

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

Reading this thread has made my insides quiver

I hope he has a speedy recovery too

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

I remember watching an American football game on telly years ago and one guy broke his leg mid calf... it was flopping about as he span through the air... they replayed it loads of times and in slow motion.

I don't wish anyone like that physical harm... but it was fucking excellent to watch... but I have a morbid fascination when it comes to such things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To be honest it looked a fairly clean break (as opposed to Eduardo's & Buust's for that matter) and if Eduardo can come back from and injury in less than 2 years after practically having his foot ripped off then you would think Ramsey should be ok to play again.

Makes my stomach churn watching those ones, but still seem to have a sick fascination with wanting to see what happened and how bad it was!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There isn't a single football fan in this country that doesn't wish him well and a speedy recovery

because anyone who doesn't is not worthy of being called a football fan

Get well soon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

a tad late ? omg.

the problem is the media repeatedly saying to beat arsenal ypu have to "get in their face " etc. this has become acceptable by all.its scanleous.and loved by the likes of that muppet big sam
"good luck to ramsay in his recovery. i was at the match and couldnt quite see how bad it was apart from the reaction on all of the players faces. to be fair it wasnt a malicious challenge from ryan shawcross by any means, he was a tad late and he is not a nasty player by all means, thats his first red card in football.

anyway good luck ramsey"

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

They showed the incident in slow motion and froze the footage at the moment to two players legs connected. Shawcross had his left boot around the ball, studs down and laces towards him, and Ramsey's foot was firmly planted in the ground next to the ball. His studs did not allow his leg to slip out from underneath him but kept his foot planted in the ground while his shin/ankle had no choice but to go in the direction that Shawcross' boot was pushing it.

I don't think Shawcross was late going into the tackle, it was a 50/50 ball and he had every reason to go for the ball. Ramsey was also committed to winning the ball so something had to give, and unfortunately for Ramsey, it was his ankle that gave out. 9/10 times he would have been flipped out and spun in the air with nothing more than his pride bruised. Not so this time.

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton

We watched this match - we're not that into footie but for some reason we watched it - we both felt so sorry for both guys - the poor lad who's leg was broken and the lad that did it as we felt it was an accident and he looked gutted when he realised he had done so much damage. Hope it was an accident but if the lad did it deliberatley then he will have to live with that for the rest of his life. Z x

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"I remember watching an American football game on telly years ago and one guy broke his leg mid calf... it was flopping about as he span through the air... they replayed it loads of times and in slow motion."

Almost certainly Joe Theisman of the Washington Redskins ( i think ). I saw that in real time and numerous replays. If i recall correctly his leg was bent in 3 different directions at once. Truly sickening.

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By *zMaleMan
over a year ago

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"They showed the incident in slow motion and froze the footage at the moment to two players legs connected. Shawcross had his left boot around the ball, studs down and laces towards him, and Ramsey's foot was firmly planted in the ground next to the ball. His studs did not allow his leg to slip out from underneath him but kept his foot planted in the ground while his shin/ankle had no choice but to go in the direction that Shawcross' boot was pushing it.

Hear hear

I am not a footie fan at all but I just so happened to catch this incident on Match of the Day. Both players were totally commited to the tackle in a 50/50 ball situation.

I'm asking a question now, not knowing to policy on red cards but does a tackle that causes a serious injury always get dealt with by means of a red card???

As a sports fan in general it is always bad when someone gets injured. Good luck to the lad I hope he makes a speedy and full recovery.

Now to set the cat amongst the pidgeons.

As a rugby fan I have seen far worse injuries but do they get half the Media attention a footballer does. I think not. Take Scotland the other week for example, 3 players seriously injured............ Enough said I'll leave it at that.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I'm asking a question now, not knowing to policy on red cards but does a tackle that causes a serious injury always get dealt with by means of a red card???"

Not neccessarily. It is all down to how thew ref interprets the tackle. Whether it was a mistimed tackle (as he judged it to be in the case of Ramsey/Shawcross) or whether it was a malicious attempt by one player to main another. The ref consults with his line refs if he is unsure and takes their advice into consideration before issuing any cards, red or yellow. In this incident, the ref was ten feet away and called it how he saw it: A late tackle by Shawcross that resulted in serious injury to Ramsey.

Now to set the cat amongst the pidgeons.

The real big bucks is in football and football is our No.1 sport so it's not surprising that it gets the lion's share of media attention. I've seen horrific injuries to Rubgy players and I'm amazed that some of them are still able to walk off the pitch.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hear hear

I am not a footie fan at all but I just so happened to catch this incident on Match of the Day. Both players were totally commited to the tackle in a 50/50 ball situation.

I'm asking a question now, not knowing to policy on red cards but does a tackle that causes a serious injury always get dealt with by means of a red card???

As a sports fan in general it is always bad when someone gets injured. Good luck to the lad I hope he makes a speedy and full recovery.

Now to set the cat amongst the pidgeons.

I think if the ref was to look at it now there was no malice in the tackle as Shawcross never went out to hurt Ramsey. Its just unfortunate that Ramsey came out the worse of it.

It was maybe a good thing that Shawcross was sent off as he he was too upset and his mind would not had been on the game.

Ramsey will come back with the right rehabilitation to be a great player. Time is on his side.

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By *zMaleMan
over a year ago

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Wishy

In answer to your first point thanks for clearing that up. Although it does raise another thread as to whether it deserved the red card. I think not.

As for your second point, yes unfortunately football is our No1 sport, due to the finances put into it by the media. Again this can raise another thread. Do papers sell more due to the sleazy underhand goings on of the over paid prima donnas????

Keeps his head below the parapit now due to incoming posts.

PLEASE DON'T ANSWER THIS POST HERE, KEEP IT ON TRACK. AS IT DESERVES TO BE.

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By *zMaleMan
over a year ago

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Hear hear

I am not a footie fan at all but I just so happened to catch this incident on Match of the Day. Both players were totally commited to the tackle in a 50/50 ball situation.

I'm asking a question now, not knowing to policy on red cards but does a tackle that causes a serious injury always get dealt with by means of a red card???

As a sports fan in general it is always bad when someone gets injured. Good luck to the lad I hope he makes a speedy and full recovery.

Now to set the cat amongst the pidgeons.

I think if the ref was to look at it now there was no malice in the tackle as Shawcross never went out to hurt Ramsey. Its just unfortunate that Ramsey came out the worse of it.

It was maybe a good thing that Shawcross was sent off as he he was too upset and his mind would not had been on the game.

Ramsey will come back with the right rehabilitation to be a great player. Time is on his side. "

Surely a good manager would have recognised his upset and substituted him straight away ????

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I think this forum can only sustain one football related thread as the Doris' start getting twitchy and want to jump in and spoil our fun lol ... so I'll answer your media question here, as it's my fookin thread anyway hehehe...

The main tabloid newspapers thrive of celebrity wrong-doings and misdeeds as they understand who their market for it is. Generally, women love to read about gossip and who's shagging who, what's going to happen in Corrie/Eastenders etc and men want to read about sport, generally.

The Sun is a cruddy little rag at the best of times, but it's sports reporting is pretty good and reliable. For football, I almost always buy The Sun for football news. What really sells papers like The Sun, Star, Mirror, NotW is when the same football stars on the back pages are also on the front pages, ie. Cole/Terry et al.

The astronomical wages paid to footballers are chiefly down to Sky who brought a lot of football to the masses (before Sky all we had was The Big Match for live football, Grandstand and Match of the Day) - Sky changed all that and suddenly football was BIG business. The off-field shenanigans of some of the players is incidental but it does add to the media furore surrounding our most talented players.

Rugby seems largely unaffected by all this hysteria apart from when everyone thought Will Carling was boning Princess Di! lol

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"I think this forum can only sustain one football related thread as the Doris' start getting twitchy and want to jump in and spoil our fun lol ... "
your a cheeky feck wishy!!!! some of us ladies enjoy reading footie threads, all that testosterone flying about is cool!!!! lol

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By *zMaleMan
over a year ago

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D'oh forgot about Will Carling LOL

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"your a cheeky feck wishy!!!! some of us ladies enjoy reading footie threads, all that testosterone flying about is cool!!!! lol"

When a woman can explain the offside rule then they can contribute to football threads.

If they want to chat about testosterone they can start their own thread.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think this forum can only sustain one football related thread as the Doris' start getting twitchy and want to jump in and spoil our fun lol ... your a cheeky feck wishy!!!! some of us ladies enjoy reading footie threads, all that testosterone flying about is cool!!!! lol"

I've never lumped you in with the Doris' femme, you're more of a Helen Chamberlain Geezer-bird lol

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

I've never lumped you in with the Doris' femme, you're more of a Helen Chamberlain Geezer-bird lol

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ok you are forgiven just this once..rant away!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"your a cheeky feck wishy!!!! some of us ladies enjoy reading footie threads, all that testosterone flying about is cool!!!! lol

When a woman can explain the offside rule then they can contribute to football threads.

If they want to chat about testosterone they can start their own thread.

The offside rule explained by girls for girls:

You're in a shoe shop, second in the queue for the till. Behind the shop assistant on the till is a pair of shoes which you have seen and which you must have.

The 'opposing' female shopper in front of you has seen them also and is eyeing them with desire.

Both of you have forgotten your purses.

It would be totally rude to push in front of the first woman if you had no money to pay for the shoes.

The shop assistant remains at the till waiting.

Your friend is trying on another pair of shoes at the back of the shop and sees your dilemma.

She prepares to throw her purse to you.

If she does so, you can catch the purse, then walk round the other shopper and buy the shoes.

At a pinch she could throw the purse ahead of the other shopper and, *whilst it is in flight* you could nip around the other shopper,

catch the purse and buy the shoes.

Always remembering that until the purse had *actually been thrown* it would be plain wrong to be forward of the other shopper.

and with that am offski

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

sorry tried to remove the previous post but was too late. xxxx

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By *zMaleMan
over a year ago

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"your a cheeky feck wishy!!!! some of us ladies enjoy reading footie threads, all that testosterone flying about is cool!!!! lol

When a woman can explain the offside rule then they can contribute to football threads.

If they want to chat about testosterone they can start their own thread.

The offside rule explained by girls for girls:

You're in a shoe shop, second in the queue for the till. Behind the shop assistant on the till is a pair of shoes which you have seen and which you must have.

The 'opposing' female shopper in front of you has seen them also and is eyeing them with desire.

Both of you have forgotten your purses.

It would be totally rude to push in front of the first woman if you had no money to pay for the shoes.

The shop assistant remains at the till waiting.

Your friend is trying on another pair of shoes at the back of the shop and sees your dilemma.

She prepares to throw her purse to you.

If she does so, you can catch the purse, then walk round the other shopper and buy the shoes.

At a pinch she could throw the purse ahead of the other shopper and, *whilst it is in flight* you could nip around the other shopper,

catch the purse and buy the shoes.

Always remembering that until the purse had *actually been thrown* it would be plain wrong to be forward of the other shopper.

and with that am offski

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Fecking awesome hun couldn't have explained better myself

WTF is offside anyways ????????????

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By *ishersCouple
over a year ago

Bristol and Newbury

Wasnt a terrible tackle. I wouldnt of though he would of even got sent off for it if the ref didnt see Ramseys leg first. Those kind of tough 50/50's happen every week in the EPL, and it just seems to be unfortunate for Ar****l.

Wenger over reacted. Again. If it was upto him, no one would be allowed to tackle his kids. He is not able to cast his mind back to a few weeks ago when that prat Gallas put in that horrible tackle on Boltons Davis. That tackle was 10 times worse than Shawcross's.

I honestly dont think it was a bad tackle. They both went in at the same speed and it came with an unfortunate injury.

I feel sorry for them both as they are both cracking young players. Feel for Ramsey for obvious reasons and Shawcross because he obviously didnt mean it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wasnt a terrible tackle. I wouldnt of though he would of even got sent off for it if the ref didnt see Ramseys leg first. Those kind of tough 50/50's happen every week in the EPL, and it just seems to be unfortunate for Ar****l.

I honestly dont think it was a bad tackle. They both went in at the same speed and it came with an unfortunate injury.

I feel sorry for them both as they are both cracking young players. Feel for Ramsey for obvious reasons and Shawcross because he obviously didnt mean it."

as a gooner,i would like to raise 2 points.

1; yes gallas tackle was awful.BUT, he got much mre critism than shawcross.why ? because shawcross (is english ? ) is a nice guy,so it had to be accidental yeah / and gallas / well , we dont like him !

2; shawcross who it is widely reported had never been sent of before, had broke another players ankle/leg before.franny jeffers.AND, put diaby out for 3 weeks last season with a horrendous tackle.

now,did he mean to injure ramsey/ i dont know.onle he knows.but he has previous.and c'mon,how many players that ypong,have broken 2 players leg ?

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By *ishersCouple
over a year ago

Bristol and Newbury

as a gooner,i would like to raise 2 points.

2; shawcross who it is widely reported had never been sent of before, had broke another players ankle/leg before.franny jeffers.AND, put diaby out for 3 weeks last season with a horrendous tackle.

now,did he mean to injure ramsey/ i dont know.onle he knows.but he has previous.and c'mon,how many players that ypong,have broken 2 players leg ?"

In reply:

1: Dont be silly... We all know its because Gallas is French. Infact, isnt 'gallas' French for 'c*nt'? Seriously tho, I think Gallas got more stick because he didnt get sent off for it so it so it was a kind of double negative. Being one of them, I hope you can cast your mind back to that terrible tackle by Gallas leading to the goal... Not even a free kick.

I dont know if Shawcross is a nice guy or not, never met the bloke. But I can say there are not many footballers out there who want to break another professionals leg so for you to question this, in my opinion, is madness. Wenger does not help the situation tho, that was my main point. He blames everyone else for bad tackles but forgets the ones his players do... I mean look at some of your G**ner 'ledgeds'.... Patrick Vieira, Martin Keown... They were never affraid of putting a bad tackle in were they?

2: I am not taking the blame for reporting about Shawcrosses history as I am fully aware.

Just my opinions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

as a gooner,i would like to raise 2 points.

2; shawcross who it is widely reported had never been sent of before, had broke another players ankle/leg before.franny jeffers.AND, put diaby out for 3 weeks last season with a horrendous tackle.

now,did he mean to injure ramsey/ i dont know.onle he knows.but he has previous.and c'mon,how many players that ypong,have broken 2 players leg ?

In reply:

2: I am not taking the blame for reporting about Shawcrosses history as I am fully aware.

Just my opinions."

ok,really gonna annoy you now.....

regarding keown and vieira......

have to agree with you.some unforgiveable tackles over the years.however.....i cant remember either of them actually BREAKING any legs.heres a nice video of mr shawcross by the way...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JImCLHKXTOs

and,in my opinion,which i readily admit to be biased,shawcross seems to be getting more sympathy than his assault victim.i do,really.i mean,sir alex is quoted in the press as having rang him up in support.and fair enough,BUT,no mention of sir alex ringing ramsey.COME ON ?

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By *ishersCouple
over a year ago

Bristol and Newbury

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rArpZ-wvtTU

One of your upstanding hero's commiting a lovley challange. It happens. I am not going to go through every bad tackle every player has ever done, we would be here forever.

SAF has never managed Aaron Ramsey. SAF actually knows Shawcross, whats why he apparently gave him a quick call.

I agree, Shawcross is getting more sympothy and public affection than Ramsey, but I would simply imagine that is because of his England call up, not because the foul was committed on an A***nal player. 90% of football journalists are G**nrs and Chelski fans anyway!

Why is A***nal the only team that thinks the world has a big conspiracy against them?!

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over a year ago

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

SAF has never managed Aaron Ramsey. SAF actually knows Shawcross, whats why he apparently gave him a quick call.

Why is A***nal the only team that thinks the world has a big conspiracy against them?!"

SAF might not know Aaron ramsay... but knew enough about him to try to sign him 2 years ago when he was a cardiff player,

Arsene is right up to a point... say that tackle had been Wayne Rooney.. would shawcross still get the amount of sympathy he is getting now... no

Seems to me that everyone is sticking up for shawcross and seems to have forgotten about the poor lad in hospital with his leg in bits!!!

Why do we as arsenal fans go on about the level of tackling we face... because its the 3rd time in just over 4 seasons we have been thru this... dan smith on abou diaby, martin taylor on Eduardo and now this.....

the perception has gone out that you need to "rough up" arsenal.... do we get the protection we deserve... i think the answer is no...

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over a year ago

well said _abio. i forgot that sir alex very nearly sighned ramsey. no sour grapes there ? anyway.im sure we ALL wish ramsey a full and (relatively) speedy recovery

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over a year ago

The press reported that Fergie called Shawcross, must be true then.

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