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By *ogistical Nightmares OP   Couple
over a year ago

Manchester Area

The Panda at Edinburgh Zoo has lost her cub and the first tiger to be born at London Zoo in 17 years has died in a drowning.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That is such sad news

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That is such sad news "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

it is sad news but nature taking its cause not always pleasant

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The news really upset me x

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

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By *exystargirlWoman
over a year ago

Warrington

might open a can of worms here, but alot of people are saying that the animals know the environment they are in and often wouldn't want to bring a living thing into it.

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How very sad

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

poor tiger and panda

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"might open a can of worms here, but alot of people are saying that the animals know the environment they are in and often wouldn't want to bring a living thing into it. "

Animals do control their own populations so if it was felt there was not enough food or space then it may well have commited infanticide.

Alternatively it could have just been a tragic accident.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Panda at Edinburgh Zoo has lost her cub and the first tiger to be born at London Zoo in 17 years has died in a drowning.

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sad times

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over a year ago

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By *r Mahogany70Man
over a year ago

Leicester

Where's that poster who always blames the tories?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Where's that poster who always blames the tories?"

Or the PC gone mad brigade

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"might open a can of worms here, but alot of people are saying that the animals know the environment they are in and often wouldn't want to bring a living thing into it. "

Extremely unlikely. Some animals can 'abort' a pregnancy if they are low on food etc but this wouldn't be the case here.

Are people really saying that the panda knows its in a zoo and doesnt like it, so it aborted its baby? :-/

Or that a tiger drowned its cub on purpose? Male tigers do kill cubs sometimes but it'd just kill it, not drown it.

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By *unluvinsoulxMan
over a year ago

Newton Abbot

Oh.. I feel sad now .....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tis proper crap news that Never any GOOD news, no wonder people are pissed off, about time we got some good news from the media as opposed to all the doom and gloom

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By *ezebelWoman
over a year ago

North of The Wall - youll need your vest


"Where's that poster who always blames the tories?"

That made me laugh

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By *exystargirlWoman
over a year ago

Warrington

It's called "Zoochosis"

Throughout the world including the UK, thousands of zoo animals held in artificial environments with little stimulation, enrichment or opportunity to hide from the public gaze, display unnatural behaviour patterns. Even in the better¹ zoos, abnormal behaviour can be widespread, and include repeated pacing, rocking, vomiting and even self mutilation.

Some of these stereotyped¹ behaviours displayed by bored and frustrated animals have their basis in activities that occur naturally the wild. But in the impoverished confines of captivity, these behaviours can become compulsive and unnatural.

In 1992, Bill Travers first coined the term zoochosis¹ to describe this obsessive, repetitive behaviour, and described zoo animals behaving abnormally as zoochotic¹. The terms are now widely recognised and in the public domain, being used in a wide range of journals and publications.

Abnormal behaviours

Bar biting

The repeated biting, rubbing the mouth along, or even sucking on the bars of an enclosure, which can result in damage to teeth and the mouth area particularly if the bars are rusty.

Can be displayed by captive bears

Tongue playing

The continual licking on walls, bars or gates in an enclosure.

Can be displayed by giraffes and camels

Pacing

Continuous walking back and forth, following the same path. Signs of regular pacing include definite paths worn in the ground.

Can be displayed by big cats

Circling

An acute form of pacing, the following of a defined route placing feet in exactly the same position each time.

Can be displayed by elephants & bears

Neck twisting

Unnatural twisting and rolling of the neck, often flicking the head around or bending the neck back. It can be combined with a pacing behaviour.

Can be displayed by giraffe, llama & monkey species

Vomiting

A form of bulimia¹, the repeated vomiting, eating of vomit and regurgitation.

Can be displayed by gorillas & chimpanzees

Coprophagia

Playing with and eating excrement, smearing it on wall and glass.

Can be displayed by gorillas & chimpanzees

Rocking

Sitting, sometimes hugging the legs, rocking forwards and back. A recognised symptom of mental illness in humans.

Can be displayed by chimpanzees

Swaying

Standing in one place and swaying the head and shoulders, even the whole body, from side to side. A behaviour exhibited by mentally ill humans.

Can be displayed by elephants & bears

Head bobbing & weaving

Standing in one place and continuously moving the head up and down, or weaving to and fro.

Can be displayed by bears and elephants

Overgrooming

Grooming to an excessive extent, pulling out hair or feathers, often leaving bald patches, irritated and broken skin.

Can be displayed bears & parrots

Self mutilation

Self-inflicted physical harm, such as biting or chewing tail or leg, or hitting a head against a wall.

Can be displayed by big cats, bears & primates

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Where's that poster who always blames the tories?

That made me laugh "

Re the panda, it has to be the SNPs fault in this instance. An expensive vanity project which has gone badly wrong.

Having the pandas in Edinburgh is expensive and the possibility of a baby has increased visitor numbers and gate receipts.

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By *icked weaselCouple
over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..

heard of the panda.. but does anyone have an allowed link to the lion/tiger link.. was this the same one that was in the papers being weighed the other day or so ?? sad news if true

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In even sadder news, two fine creatures remain in captivity far removed from their natural habitats. Which, due to mankinds greed and political desire for growth, remain under threat and are further reduced year on year.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


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In even sadder news, two fine creatures remain in captivity far removed from their natural habitats. Which, due to mankinds greed and political desire for growth, remain under threat and are further reduced year on year.

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Or two endangered species suffered set backs in their respective breeding programmes as mankind has realised the effect it has had and is striving to boost dwindling numbers in the wild.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


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In even sadder news, two fine creatures remain in captivity far removed from their natural habitats. Which, due to mankinds greed and political desire for growth, remain under threat and are further reduced year on year.

Or two endangered species suffered set backs in their respective breeding programmes as mankind has realised the effect it has had and is striving to boost dwindling numbers in the wild.

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Is boosting numbers in the wild any justification for keeping animals in zoos?

Does it even work?

Should we start a zoo breeding programme to get enough wolves so we can reintroduce them to the Highlands? Or sterilise feral cats to stop them interbreeding with Scottish wildcats?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i thought the news about the panda was they were wrong about her being pregnant in the first place?

think the tiger was just a tragic accident, however, as the keepers had the lair under 24 hour survellence.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


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In even sadder news, two fine creatures remain in captivity far removed from their natural habitats. Which, due to mankinds greed and political desire for growth, remain under threat and are further reduced year on year.

Or two endangered species suffered set backs in their respective breeding programmes as mankind has realised the effect it has had and is striving to boost dwindling numbers in the wild.

Is boosting numbers in the wild any justification for keeping animals in zoos?

Does it even work?

Should we start a zoo breeding programme to get enough wolves so we can reintroduce them to the Highlands? Or sterilise feral cats to stop them interbreeding with Scottish wildcats?"

Breeding programmes do work. The red kite one being so effective that they are now causing quite a nuisance.

The beaver programme and reintroduction went well as did the otter one in this country.

Personally I see no issue with a wolf reintroduction but the farmers and game keepers and local residents might see that differgently to me.

Breeding programmes in the wild wouldn't work. That's just called mating and pandas don't seem too good at that on their own do they?

It is sad that some of the animals are in zoos to preserve their species as in years to come they may be endangered or gone all together but unless you have a col proof solution to atop people taking their habitat and killing them I'm not sure what the other option is? Extinction?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" The news really upset me x"

It has me too

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By *ogistical Nightmares OP   Couple
over a year ago

Manchester Area


"heard of the panda.. but does anyone have an allowed link to the lion/tiger link.. was this the same one that was in the papers being weighed the other day or so ?? sad news if true "

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-24531460

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"i thought the news about the panda was they were wrong about her being pregnant in the first place?

........"

Pregnant or not, the mere possibility did wonders for Edinburgh Zoo attendances and its not too surprising the announcement has come at the end of the tourist season.

No doubt they'll do it all again next year.

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