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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

this subject came and went and im suprised no one did it after the crimewatch thing last night.

did you see anything to change your opinion on the situation?

or did it reinforce you thoughts one way or the other?

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Didn't see it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Missed it

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I think the finding her alive or sadly deceased will be the only thing that may alter some of the very polarised _iews.

all in all, a very very sad affair.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Well she wasn't actually seen for an hour and half for a start and the fact the kids had woken up crying the night before and they still went out

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

I saw a clip on a repeat and Kirsty Young was 'apologising' for their phone lines "being really, really busy" and urging people to "keep trying" while none of the 5-6 phones on the table behind her were being answered

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

I watched it .. I know the parents were wrong but I feel for them god I would love to read that maddie is alive but sadly I don't think so

no closure till they find her or find her body

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

I've never really understood the concept of 'closure'.

Is there any such thing?

When does it happen? At a funeral? On conviction of the culprit?

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Oh and it was the fifth night and they had settled in to their going out routine, someone could of been watching them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not changed my _iew on bit

I hope Maddie is found alive & well

But no sympathy at all for the parents - should never have left her alone

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

very sad affair showing you must keep your children close at all times and dont let your guard down

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"I've never really understood the concept of 'closure'.

Is there any such thing?

When does it happen? At a funeral? On conviction of the culprit?"

Have you lost anyone very close in a sudden and unexpected, and perhaps violent way?

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

my daughter is away from me at mo... its bad enough for me and I know where she is ...... imagine not knowing

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I've never really understood the concept of 'closure'.

Is there any such thing?

When does it happen? At a funeral? On conviction of the culprit?

Have you lost anyone very close in a sudden and unexpected, and perhaps violent way?"

Very close? Yes.

In a sudden and unexpected, and perhaps violent way? Oh yes.

Very close in a sudden and unexpected, and perhaps violent way? Thankfully not.

I still don't get the 'closure' bit.

How and when does closure come?

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

"I've never really understood the concept of 'closure'.

Is there any such thing?

When does it happen? At a funeral? On conviction of the culprit?

Have you lost anyone very close in a sudden and unexpected, and perhaps violent way?

Very close? Yes.

In a sudden and unexpected, and perhaps violent way? Oh yes.

Very close in a sudden and unexpected, and perhaps violent way? Thankfully not.

I still don't get the 'closure' bit.

How and when does closure come?

in maddies case when they know what happened to her imo

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By *uietlykinkymeWoman
over a year ago

kinky land

I didn't bother watching it & i thought this thread was about something different

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"I've never really understood the concept of 'closure'.

Is there any such thing?

When does it happen? At a funeral? On conviction of the culprit?

Have you lost anyone very close in a sudden and unexpected, and perhaps violent way?

Very close? Yes.

In a sudden and unexpected, and perhaps violent way? Oh yes.

Very close in a sudden and unexpected, and perhaps violent way? Thankfully not.

I still don't get the 'closure' bit.

How and when does closure come?

It varies from person to person, like the grieving process.

I'd say if you haven't lost someone very close suddenly and in a traumatic way then don't try too hard to understand because you probably won't.

There are some things you just can't 'get' until you go through them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I never saw it, but my opinion has not changed, If they had not been on the piss, the would not have lost the kid

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

I can't quite see how what a person feels and goes through after losing "someone very close suddenly and in a traumatic way" can ever come to an end.

I don't understand how there can be a point in time when folk can say 'It's OK now'.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

I won't watch anything about it now. I hope they do find maddie alive or dead but I can't stand her parents and their media circus complete with spin doctors.

Allegedly the tapas 7 donates all of their money to the fund massive fund.....hundreds of thousands of pounds yet the government are funding this current investigation 6 years after it happened and 4 years after the Portuguese police ended theirs. What is the fund being spent on then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I won't watch anything about it now. I hope they do find maddie alive or dead but I can't stand her parents and their media circus complete with spin doctors.

Mortgage repayments, good lawyers, tapas and Mateus Rose... who said crime dont pay?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I won't watch anything about it now. I hope they do find maddie alive or dead but I can't stand her parents and their media circus complete with spin doctors.

That's the thing that annoys me. I got really annoyed this morning when I heard someone say that now "our" police are dealing with it there will be an answer. That the investigation by "our" police shows the whole timeline is wrong. What it appears to show is that Maddie MAY have been taken later but no one actually knows as her parents weren't there for such a long time.

What are the 500 people with "leads" calling to say? That the photo-fit looks like a bloke down the road but he's never been to Portugal?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

I hadn't realised till recently that the fund to find her isn't even a proper charity.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"I can't quite see how what a person feels and goes through after losing "someone very close suddenly and in a traumatic way" can ever come to an end.

I don't understand how there can be a point in time when folk can say 'It's OK now'. "

Closure isn't about it being ok. It's never going to be ok. It's about knowing everything that can/could be done has been done and being able to start moving forward.

As I said, you have to go through it to get it and even then everyone has different experiences.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry to say this but I don't think she is with us anymore, how could her parents leave her alone in the hotel room I could never do that

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By *exystargirlWoman
over a year ago

Warrington

I can't believe more attention isn't being put on the parents. Kate McCann refused to answer 48 police questions days after maddie had disappeared, instead answering "no comment" to each one.

I'd be out of my mind if that was me, but she is cold and calm. Something doesn't add up with the whole thing.

These are the questions:

1. On May 3 2007, around 22:00, when you entered the apartment, what did you see? What did you do? Where did you look? What did you touch?

2. Did you search inside the bedroom wardrobe? (she replied that she wouldn’t answer)

3. (shown 2 photographs of her bedroom wardrobe) Can you describe its contents?

4. Why had the curtain behind the sofa in front of the side window (whose photo was shown to her) been tampered with? Did somebody go behind that sofa?

5. How long did your search of the apartment take after you detected your daughter Madeleine’s disappearance?

6. Why did you say from the start that Madeleine had been abducted?

7. Assuming Madeleine had been abducted, why did you leave the twins home alone to go to the ‘Tapas’ and raise the alarm? Because the supposed abductor could still be in the apartment.

8. Why didn’t you ask the twins, at that moment, what had happened to their sister or why didn’t you ask them later on?

9. When you raised the alarm at the ‘Tapas’ what exactly did you say and what were your exact words?

10. What happened after you raised the alarm in the ‘Tapas’?

11. Why did you go and warn your friends instead of shouting from the verandah?

12. Who contacted the authorities?

13. Who took place in the searches?

14. Did anyone outside of the group learn of Madeleine’s disappearance in those following minutes?

15. Did any neighbour offer you help after the disappearance?

16. What does 'we let her down' mean?

17. Did Jane tell you that night that she’d seen a man with a child?

18. How were the authorities contacted and which police force was alerted?

19. During the searches, with the police already there, where did you search for Maddie, how and in what way?

20. Why did the twins not wake up during that search or when they were taken upstairs?

21. Who did you phone after the occurrence?

22. Did you call Sky News?

23. Did you know the danger of calling the media, because it could influence the abductor?

24. Did you ask for a priest?

25. By what means did you divulge Madeleine’s features, by photographs or by any other means?

26. Is it true that during the searches you remained seated on Maddie’s bed without moving?

27. What was your behaviour that night?

28. Did you manage to sleep?

29. Before travelling to Portugal did you make any comment about a foreboding or a bad feeling?

30. What was Madeleine’s behaviour like?

31. Did Maddie suffer from any illness or take any medication?

32. What was Madeleine’s relationship like with her brother and sister?

33. What was Madeleine’s relationship like with her brother and sister, friends and school mates?

34. As for your professional life, in how many and which hospitals have you worked?

35. What is your medical specialty?

36. Have you ever done shift work in any emergency services or other services?

37. Did you work every day?

38. At a certain point you stopped working, why?

39. Are the twins difficult to get to sleep? Are they restless and does that cause you uneasiness?

40. Is it true that sometimes you despaired with your children’s behaviour and that left you feeling very uneasy?

41. Is it true that in England you even considered handing over Madeleine’s custody to a relative?

42. In England, did you medicate your children? What type of medication?

43. In the case files you were SHOWN CANINE forensic testing films, where you can see them marking due to detection of the scent of human corpse and blood traces, also human, and only human, as well as all the comments of the technician in charge of them. After watching and after the marking of the scent of corpse in your bedroom beside the wardrobe and behind the sofa, pushed up against the sofa wall, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

44. When the sniffer dog also marked human blood behind the sofa, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

45. When the sniffer dog marked the scent of corpse coming from the vehicle you hired a month after the disappearance, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

46. When human blood was marked in the boot of the vehicle, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

47. When confronted with the results of Maddie’s DNA, whose analysis was carried out in a British laboratory, collected from behind the sofa and the boot of the vehicle, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

48. Did you have any responsibility or intervention in your daughter’s disappearance?

A QUESTION SHE DID ANSWER

Q. Are you aware that in not answering the questions you are jeopardising the investigation, which seeks to discover what happened to your daughter?

A. 'Yes, if that’s what the investigation thinks.'

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

The tapas 7.

Seven couples with a number of children between them. Would it have been so unreasonable to put the kids in one apartment and take turns who Sat with them?

I know hindsight is 20/20 but this is the solution many parents/families who travel in a group use.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"this subject came and went and im suprised no one did it after the crimewatch thing last night.

did you see anything to change your opinion on the situation?

or did it reinforce you thoughts one way or the other?"

my thoughts haven't changed since the beginning

i only have feeling of sadness for that poor child.

as far as her parents and the other members of the tapas 7 are concerned they should be ashamed of themselves for leaving their children asleep in bed whilst they enjoyed their evening meals every single night.

even on the day of the disappearance when maddie asked her parents were they were the night before when her and her brother cried for them they still carried on with their evening out with friends.

i still hope and pray that they find that poor child however i do not think there will be a happy ending.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"The tapas 7.

Seven couples with a number of children between them. Would it have been so unreasonable to put the kids in one apartment and take turns who Sat with them?

I know hindsight is 20/20 but this is the solution many parents/families who travel in a group use."

Or pay a minder for them. They weren't exactly hard up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Looks to me the parents killed her and either buried her or thrown her out to sea

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

the rights and wrongs of what the parents did are secondary in this case in my opinion as an innocent little girl was the victim. I sincerely hope that some good can come out of last nights programme and if she is still alive then she may be reunited with her family .. I find the whole case to be truly heartbreaking and I have read her mothers book which was one of the hardest reads of my life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

imo the two photofits look like they could be well be the of the same person.

My worry is that both of the Photofits look rather like Gerry in many ways..

It is a strange case, with many peculiar things attached...

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By *ornieandhotCouple
over a year ago

Peterborough

Off topic a bit

But we were in Egypt at the same hotel which a little girl drowned at the day after we left

Sadly we saw many kids not being watched by their parents who were to busy sunning themselves or getting d*unk

The press ect to so fast to blame the hotel saying not enough life guards ect which was total rubbish

At one point I was supervising my daughter and several other kids who's parents didn't seem to give a f**k

D x

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

Or pay a minder for them. They weren't exactly hard up."

there were actually free crèche facilities on the complex

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the rights and wrongs of what the parents did are secondary in this case in my opinion as an innocent little girl was the victim. I sincerely hope that some good can come out of last nights programme and if she is still alive then she may be reunited with her family .. I find the whole case to be truly heartbreaking and I have read her mothers book which was one of the hardest reads of my life "

i understand what you are saying however i would find it hard to accept that she should be given straight back to her parents.

if you read in the daily mail tomorrow about a child disappearance whilst their parents (benefits claimants) were in the local pub or kebab house 50 yards away

how do you think the authorites and the general public would react to them however maddies parents are supposed to be educated people im sorry i cannot feel remorse for them only their poor child and they should be charged with neglect.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Has anyone else seen the picture on the internet doing the rounds of the e-fits next to a picture of her father?

Just sayin'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Has anyone else seen the picture on the internet doing the rounds of the e-fits next to a picture of her father?

Just sayin'."

See my post a little up.... almost uncanny!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Has anyone else seen the picture on the internet doing the rounds of the e-fits next to a picture of her father?

Just sayin'."

why wasn't this picture released 5 years ago.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"See my post a little up.... almost uncanny!!"

Apologies, I kind of skimmed this thread.

"why wasn't this picture released 5 years ago."

I know, the whole thing has been a balls up.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

seemed a bit of a damp squib tbh..

regardless of the timeline any competent investigation would look at the whole time from when she was last seen, to when she was reported missing..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"See my post a little up.... almost uncanny!!

Apologies, I kind of skimmed this thread.

why wasn't this picture released 5 years ago.

I know, the whole thing has been a balls up."

you think you would everything out there with the hope something clicks in someone's brain and leads them to the girl.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well...

Jimmy Saville even gave us clues to what he was up too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would never Leave my children its the Price you pay,no Nights out. Unless cared for

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

where the twins ever drug tested straight after she disappeared

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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I saw it today. My _iew before it was how stupid of any parent to leave thei children alone this way and for a stupid action they have to live with it forever.

After seeing it I thought exactly the same thing as well as what a pair of selfish parents they were at the time.

They knew the kids had been crying for them the night before as Maddie told them they had, they mentioned that Maddie was off colour and didn't seem herself that night and yet they still left them all alone.

When the dad went to check on them he didn't say he had looked into the room to see if they were in their beds, when the mum went to check the only reason she looked into the room is because the wind blew the door shut otherwise she was just listening for noise too.

All of it still stinks of them as parents, let's hope they have learnt some lessons since then for their other children.

Poor Maddie.

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

condemning the parents has actually been done to death through these forums .. im not sure what it actually achieves anymore .. its been going on for 6 years .. yes they did make mistakes and they will have to live with them for the rest of their lives and explain it to the twins .. a lot of people wont watch a programme on telly about the incident due to their hatred for the parents and my heart just absolutely bleeds for Madeline because if she is still alive .. she is the only victim here and people loose sight of that

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Personally I think the parents lost sight of that fact when they jumped on the media bandwagon to sell their books and fund their house tbh.

Of course maddie is the victim. Of course we wish she is found alive or even dead to give the nation closure on this. That goes without saying surely bit the investigation looks at what happened on that evening and the fact of the matter is they left their children and went out where they had no direct sight of their apartment.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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If the parents had been looking after their children we wouldn't be talking about it at all.

It is Maddie I feel sorry for as she was let down by them, but I am not sure what the programme will achieve as apart from the new E fits there isn't any new evidence.

If someone at the time had seen two men acting strange surely they would have come forward before now as uite rightly it has been in the news for 6 years.

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

you are right Evie and as always I agree with most of your postings but I do fear that peoples personal hatred of her parents could prevent the case moving forward because people loose patience with it ... and if she is still alive then that would be a tragedy

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

How much can you remember of a holiday you were on 6 years ago? I can't even remember where I went on holiday 6 years ago!!

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

its very tricky .. I saw a tv show that was staged in a shopping mall where a guy ran in a shop and robbed a few items and passers by were asked to give eye witness statements of what he looked like .. clearly he was an actor ... it was all over the place ... so god knows what happens 6 years down the line !!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If the parents had been looking after their children we wouldn't be talking about it at all.

It is Maddie I feel sorry for as she was let down by them, but I am not sure what the programme will achieve as apart from the new E fits there isn't any new evidence.

If someone at the time had seen two men acting strange surely they would have come forward before now as uite rightly it has been in the news for 6 years."
i think people forget they went out and left their children on their own!! Who in their right mind would leave children that young on their own??? I know i wouldnt and think most mums wouldnt either x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Has anyone else seen the picture on the internet doing the rounds of the e-fits next to a picture of her father?

Just sayin'."

That was my thoughts watching it. It was a e-fit of him

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Certain areas of the media have decided the parents are the wronged ones here (mainly cos it sells papers) and will brook no criticism of them or their actions.

I doubt there's any genuine new 'evidence' here, just an excuse to bring it back into the public eye - at a time when the press are getting a Leveson kicking from Hacked Off, with the McCanns sticking the boot in first and hardest.

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By *unglerivermonkeyMan
over a year ago

Scarborough

I just really,really hope that the police find what they need to bring him/her or them to justice over whatever happened to that poor liitle girl.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"this subject came and went and im suprised no one did it after the crimewatch thing last night.

did you see anything to change your opinion on the situation?

or did it reinforce you thoughts one way or the other?"

i think tht child is dead!i think the mother or father injected her with stuff to make her sleep and gave her too much and thts what killed her!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"this subject came and went and im suprised no one did it after the crimewatch thing last night.

did you see anything to change your opinion on the situation?

or did it reinforce you thoughts one way or the other?

i think tht child is dead!i think the mother or father injected her with stuff to make her sleep and gave her too much and thts what killed her!"

TWO doctors getting it THAT wrong?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just got 2 words to say on the subject BEN NEEDHAM

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No mention of the other 3 that were at that table that night

innacurate seating arrangement at the restaraunt

the bedroom door to the childrens room was hung the wrong side

no mention of The Smiths Statement who is 60 - 80 % sure he Saw Gerry carrying the litle girl down the middle of the road ( was even able to describe the unusual buttons on his trousers)

the case has never been closed in Portugal , merely ' shelved '

the MCanns were never ' exonerated '

No proof of forced entry

only finger prints found on the shutter those of Kate

no mention of the various positive alerts from the sniffer dogs

no mention of the phone traffic from that night.

so many inaccuracies , thankfully the file is available for the public to read and not just be spoonfed this tripe .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I didn't watch Crimewatch last night and after seeing the questions on here, I can't believe that Kate wouldn't answer any of them apart from one. If it was me, I would have done my best to try and answer those questions.

I'm sure that both parents have got something to hide. If the sniffer dogs found blood and the scent of death in the room Maddie was in and in the car the McCanns rented, then they must know what actually happened to their daughter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have the British police questioned the mccanns because if you start a fresh investigation then they must start with the parents surly or are they untouchable now they have friends in high places backing them

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"this subject came and went and im suprised no one did it after the crimewatch thing last night.

did you see anything to change your opinion on the situation?

or did it reinforce you thoughts one way or the other?

i think tht child is dead!i think the mother or father injected her with stuff to make her sleep and gave her too much and thts what killed her!

TWO doctors getting it THAT wrong?"

Who is the other Dr?

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By *unglerivermonkeyMan
over a year ago

Scarborough

"Have the British police questioned the mccanns because if you start a fresh investigation then they must start with the parents surly or are they untouchable now they have friends in high places backing them"

As somebody else put on another thread about this.

They have low friends in high places.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As somebody else put on another thread about this.

They have low friends in high places."

????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They are both doctors Eavie , and there were other doctors in the group .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Has anyone else seen the picture on the internet doing the rounds of the e-fits next to a picture of her father?

Just sayin'.

That was my thoughts watching it. It was a e-fit of him

Uncanny likeness...and the Smiths apparently identified the man as Gerry after seeing him on camera some months later carrying one of the twins in the same way.

The McCann files make very interesting reading

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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no mention of The Smiths Statement who is 60 - 80 % sure he Saw Gerry carrying the litle girl down the middle of the road ( was even able to describe the unusual buttons on his trousers)

Having just googled for this, it fits in with the new timings being given by the police last night.

Funnily enough I said last night that one of the E fits has a look of the dad and it seems I wasn't the only one to think it.

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

truth will come out eventually

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By *unglerivermonkeyMan
over a year ago

Scarborough

As somebody else put on another thread about this.

They have low friends in high places.

???? "

Have a think about it

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"They are both doctors Eavie , and there were other doctors in the group ."

Oh. I thought she was a nurse.

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over a year ago

"They are both doctors Eavie , and there were other doctors in the group .

Oh. I thought she was a nurse. "

No she was definitely a gp in a town near me. Think he was a surgeon/consultant

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why do I have a feeling that this similar to the Susan Smith case back in the early 90s?

To explain, Susan drowned her kids in the car and made up a story saying her kids were taken along with the car. She was given a life sentence of 30 years.

I'm not saying that the Mccanns killed Maddie but I do think they're using the "my child has been kidnapped" ploy as a cover up for what may have happened that night.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the police ask the parents questions they prob jump straight to the media so the police will back off before they have a lawsuit on their hands. The parents could have murdered maddie and play by the media like other people done in the past

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"this subject came and went and im suprised no one did it after the crimewatch thing last night.

did you see anything to change your opinion on the situation?

or did it reinforce you thoughts one way or the other?

i think tht child is dead!i think the mother or father injected her with stuff to make her sleep and gave her too much and thts what killed her!

TWO doctors getting it THAT wrong?

Who is the other Dr? "

The two parents?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They are both doctors Eavie , and there were other doctors in the group .

Oh. I thought she was a nurse.

No she was definitely a gp in a town near me. Think he was a surgeon/consultant "

Be interesting to know what her speciality was ....,wouldn't it ?

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By *wo4moreCouple
over a year ago

around walsall, wolves, cannock

"Looks to me the parents killed her and either buried her or thrown her out to sea "

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"They are both doctors Eavie , and there were other doctors in the group .

Oh. I thought she was a nurse.

No she was definitely a gp in a town near me. Think he was a surgeon/consultant "
he works on the ITU at glenfield the same ward my dad was on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They are both doctors Eavie , and there were other doctors in the group .

Oh. I thought she was a nurse.

No she was definitely a gp in a town near me. Think he was a surgeon/consultant he works on the ITU at glenfield the same ward my dad was on

Thought it was a Leicester hospital but wasn't sure which

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"They are both doctors Eavie , and there were other doctors in the group .

Oh. I thought she was a nurse.

No she was definitely a gp in a town near me. Think he was a surgeon/consultant he works on the ITU at glenfield the same ward my dad was on

Thought it was a Leicester hospital but wasn't sure which "

part time GP in Leicestershire at the time of the disappearance....god knows why i thought she was a nurse

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"where the twins ever drug tested straight after she disappeared"

One of my thoughts there!!

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

The media have given them living saint status. They can do no wrong. The media I saw this morning was about how brave they have been to give the inter_iew and how strong they are being, Along with the line that it will get sorted now that there is this new lead, only uncovered by the British police plus the case having "all the hallmarks of a planned abduction".

If this was a planned abduction then the McCanns made that easier by keeping to their routine of going out every night.

I can't imagine the pain of losing a child like this and the guilt I would feel at having left them alone. However, for what should be sensible adult it beggars belief why they couldn't use the free childminder service or take it in turns to spend time out with their friends.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

Wow, this is a thread and a half...

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

one can only guess that they as parents know full well they fell below what is expected as regards their parental responsibilities..

would imagine it haunts them to their very core..

still don't buy the line that they deliberately killed the child..

also cant imagine that the Mets latest investigation hasn't included an in depth inter_iew if as some on here have said there are transcripts in the public domain of the previous police investigation..?

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By * n zCouple
over a year ago

leamington spa

"condemning the parents has actually been done to death through these forums .. im not sure what it actually achieves anymore .. its been going on for 6 years .. yes they did make mistakes and they will have to live with them for the rest of their lives and explain it to the twins .. a lot of people wont watch a programme on telly about the incident due to their hatred for the parents and my heart just absolutely bleeds for Madeline because if she is still alive .. she is the only victim here and people loose sight of that "

I agree..........I will continue to have an open mind about what happened until otherwise proven differently.

I remember a case of a woman in Salisbury who was accused of smothering her babies, she ended up in jail but then was found to be innocent as there was a genetic defect that meant her children were pre disposed to cot death.

Making assumptions is a dangerous game.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

I agree..........I will continue to have an open mind about what happened until otherwise proven differently.

Making assumptions is a dangerous game.

the FACT they left their children alone, every evening to go out with their friends is not an assumption

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hope maddie is found safe and well,for the little tots sake.as for the parents,I still say its neglect on there part to leave here children on there own.if that had been in this country there would have been an outcry.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I find it hard to condemn them although I have always thought that they present themselves as cold and detached. Perhaps their coping strategy? I know the pain of losing a child and to live with that and the knowledge that your own stupidity and neglect brought that sad reality about must be very hard indeed. I wish them peace....but i dont understand them....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I often wonder.....if by some miracle Maddy is ever found alive...will SHE forgive them for leaving her that night?What kind of trust could she ever have in them as parents?........

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By * n zCouple
over a year ago

leamington spa

I agree..........I will continue to have an open mind about what happened until otherwise proven differently.

Making assumptions is a dangerous game.

the FACT they left their children alone, every evening to go out with their friends is not an assumption

Yes I never said that wasn't a FACT. BUT many people are making assumptions about what happened and who did what.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The BBC news site is highlighting this old item on its news ages.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7331034.stm

It includes a "timeline" devised by the Tapas 7.

What immediately strikes me are the two items 21.15 and 21.30. Distinctly odd. The second check should have either been more immediate or more thorough.

What is surprising is that neither the parents or others have cracked?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Time to move on. Plenty of other missing people not getting a fraction of the publicity Maddie gets. Why is this?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have allways hoped and allways will hope they find her alive one day. look at the girls in america missing for over a decade. but have the heart and beliefs to stay alive and fight . I take my hat off to the megans for not giving up on there child I would never give up on mine. but I feel they let all there kids down leaving them alone in a holiday apartment alone in the first place I dont even leave my kids alone in my house .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In fact, reading more, if what the woman at 21.15 said was true, why the hell didn't all 9 of them immediately check all apartments and the entire complex?

Just doesnt appear realistic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The girl is called Madeleine. Not Maddy - that was concocted by the tabloids.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The girl is called Madeleine. Not Maddy - that was concocted by the tabloids."

I'm pretty sure she's called something else now if she isn't long gone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The girl is called Madeleine. Not Maddy - that was concocted by the tabloids.

I'm pretty sure she's called something else now if she isn't long gone

Don't be too sure, you may be asked some questions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The girl is called Madeleine. Not Maddy - that was concocted by the tabloids.

I'm pretty sure she's called something else now if she isn't long gone

Don't be too sure, you may be asked some questions.

Well I'm pretty sure even the Portuguese police would have a found her if she was still called Maddy McCan. Let's hope I'm wrong and she surfaces. Be a good movie(which I'm sure her parents already have sold the rights to).

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

There's probably a whole new thread on who you'd get to play the parents in any movie.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've always thought that maddies disappearance was staged if your abducting someone you don't leave witnesses like the twins who could possibly I'd the culprit, it's strange that noone heard anything and the period of check in with the children.what parents have baby monitors on even if your kids are upstairs and you can hear them? I know I do

Also lets look at the area and maddies appearance great area for trafficking and blonde haired girl that age could probably pay very handsomely.

My theory is all ways based on one of the parents having an addiction and not being able to pay. Hence the abduction I'd never leave my children with a carer never mind alone on holding its a parents responsibility to look after there child

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its always struck me as rather odd why when there was three kids in the apartment that they only took one of them and not all of them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah it does make sense if your abducting your gonna plan know who's there what there doing youd take all 3 unless it's accidental death or paying off a debt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah it does make sense if your abducting your gonna plan know who's there what there doing youd take all 3 unless it's accidental death or paying off a debt"

Christ you seem quite knowledgeable!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"my daughter is away from me at mo... its bad enough for me and I know where she is ...... imagine not knowing"

They know alright.....

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By *lentyoffun40Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire

"Well she wasn't actually seen for an hour and half for a start and the fact the kids had woken up crying the night before and they still went out

I couldn't believe that he said that

Kids woke up and cried and asked their parents where they were?

His response ... We made sure we were extra vigilant and doors were locked the next night ( or words to that affect )

Unbelievable !!

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

I thought the photo fit looks very like the father, but then again photo fits are usually shite anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah it does make sense if your abducting your gonna plan know who's there what there doing youd take all 3 unless it's accidental death or paying off a debt

Christ you seem quite knowledgeable! "

Ex military if we gonna snatch and grab you know everything and leave no witness just to clarify not random abductor lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If was average tommy.we would be in jail full blow neglect for their pleasure, i have kids never out my sight on hol, maddie rip bab,i know expats in portugal who.are convinced the parents covered up who knows but summat dosent sit right

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I thought the photo fit looks very like the father, but then again photo fits are usually shite anyway."

And it's a fairly generic male photo fit. Plus people are not as good at noticing things as they think they are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah it does make sense if your abducting your gonna plan know who's there what there doing youd take all 3 unless it's accidental death or paying off a debt"

It doesn't make sense at all though if there was a single person taking them then they take one they can move without being seen you don't take more.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"I thought the photo fit looks very like the father, but then again photo fits are usually shite anyway.

And it's a fairly generic male photo fit. Plus people are not as good at noticing things as they think they are.

Plus it was 6 years ago!! I can't remember what the block who served me in tescos yesterday looked like let alone some stranger I saw 6 years ago.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah it does make sense if your abducting your gonna plan know who's there what there doing youd take all 3 unless it's accidental death or paying off a debt

It doesn't make sense at all though if there was a single person taking them then they take one they can move without being seen you don't take more. "

And Madeleine was a ' screamer ' ...( Gerry's words ) she would have raised the roof surely , because Mrs Fenn upstairs heard crying for 75 minutes one night

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Yeah it does make sense if your abducting your gonna plan know who's there what there doing youd take all 3 unless it's accidental death or paying off a debt

Christ you seem quite knowledgeable!

Ex military if we gonna snatch and grab you know everything and leave no witness just to clarify not random abductor lol "

I suppose that ought to be reassuring but somehow ............

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah it does make sense if your abducting your gonna plan know who's there what there doing youd take all 3 unless it's accidental death or paying off a debt

It doesn't make sense at all though if there was a single person taking them then they take one they can move without being seen you don't take more. "

If you planning on taking someone you plan and replan every detail they'd know there was 3 kids why take one? there could be 3 guys and take them staggered. And if they've gotten away with it this long with the media attentiont they're good

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just got 2 words to say on the subject BEN NEEDHAM

Tried that but fell on deaf ears

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bad parenting led to this incident and with mild intelligence there is 100's of way they could have take maddie a simple baby monitor would have helped

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whilst its clear to see from this and other threads that based on nowt more than their 'status' the McCanns are clearly guilty..........

Have any of you pondered that despite the continual ' bad parents' stuff that permeates these threads that without ' the bad guy/girl' entering the story Madeline would still be with us?

Unless of course you have absolute 100% proof that the parents did it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah it does make sense if your abducting your gonna plan know who's there what there doing youd take all 3 unless it's accidental death or paying off a debt

It doesn't make sense at all though if there was a single person taking them then they take one they can move without being seen you don't take more.

And Madeleine was a ' screamer ' ...( Gerry's words ) she would have raised the roof surely , because Mrs Fenn upstairs heard crying for 75 minutes one night

But not if she had been sedated? Kate McCann was an anaesthetist before she became a GP...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists."

Absolutely, and very little of it with an ounce of factual back up but most of it backed up with class envy

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over a year ago

"Yeah it does make sense if your abducting your gonna plan know who's there what there doing youd take all 3 unless it's accidental death or paying off a debt

It doesn't make sense at all though if there was a single person taking them then they take one they can move without being seen you don't take more.

And Madeleine was a ' screamer ' ...(

Gerry's words ) she would have raised the roof surely , because Mrs Fenn upstairs heard crying for 75 minutes one night

But not if she had been sedated? Kate McCann was an anaesthetist before she became a GP..."

Very true the possibilities of what might or could have happened are endless and theories will always be thrown around

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists.

Absolutely, and very little of it with an ounce of factual back up but most of it backed up with class envy

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Really? How do you come to that conclusion then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah it does make sense if your abducting your gonna plan know who's there what there doing youd take all 3 unless it's accidental death or paying off a debt

It doesn't make sense at all though if there was a single person taking them then they take one they can move without being seen you don't take more.

And Madeleine was a ' screamer ' ...( Gerry's words ) she would have raised the roof surely , because Mrs Fenn upstairs heard crying for 75 minutes one night

But not if she had been sedated? Kate McCann was an anaesthetist before she became a GP..."

now there's a turn up fer the books !

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over a year ago

"What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists.

Absolutely, and very little of it with an ounce of factual back up but most of it backed up with class envy

There's no real evidence to support there innocence or guilt just what is gauged through there mannerisms

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists.

Absolutely, and very little of it with an ounce of factual back up but most of it backed up with class envy

There's not a lot of facts about any aspect of the story.

The only thing missing (I think) is an abducted by aliens proposition.

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By *ornieandhotCouple
over a year ago

Peterborough

What ever anyone says no matter

What any of all of us thinks no matter who's guilty of what

The one thing that really matters is that poor little girl

For god sake the adults will have to deal with their part In what ever happened

Be it the parents neglect and publicity or not they have to live with their decisions

My hope is for maddie where ever she may be

She just needs to know she is missed and still in the thoughts of everyone the case has touched

My daughter was same age when she disappeared so much time had passed I've been lucky enough to share it

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over a year ago

"What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists.

Absolutely, and very little of it with an ounce of factual back up but most of it backed up with class envy

Really? How do you come to that conclusion then?"

In the very polites of terms I have read the threads and arrived at that conclusion

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over a year ago

"What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists.

Absolutely, and very little of it with an ounce of factual back up but most of it backed up with class envy

Do you understand the nature of a forum? I have to ask as it comes across as your intent is purely to disrupt and put people down. You do realise there are limited links people can put up and in reality its not all about anally proving every point its more to do with points of _iew. Where you think class envy comes into it eludes me but I am assuming its a sly attempt at putting people down insinuating that people are of a lower class than the McCanns.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists.

Absolutely, and very little of it with an ounce of factual back up but most of it backed up with class envy

Really? How do you come to that conclusion then?

In the very polites of terms I have read the threads and arrived at that conclusion

I see no evidence of class envy. Where the parents background has been mentioned in this and other threads its only been to insist they be held to the same standards of behaviour as other sectors of society.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists."

Most people appear to be stating that the one fact that is clear is that the parents left their children alone. Everything else is supposition, including the idea that the "if the bad man/person hadn't been there then everything would be fine."

Life turns on big and small decisions we make. As adults we should have the faculty to make a reasonable risk assessment, it's no guarantee but it is some mitigation. What I feel is that the McCanns did not make a reasonable risk assessment. That is my supposition.

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over a year ago

"What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists.

Absolutely, and very little of it with an ounce of factual back up but most of it backed up with class envy

As I said previously take a step back, read this thread and previous thread and then tell me honestly that the McCanns staus is not at the heart of many folks ire

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists.

Absolutely, and very little of it with an ounce of factual back up but most of it backed up with class envy

As I said previously take a step back, read this thread and previous thread and then tell me honestly that the McCanns staus is not at the heart of many folks ire

It's not their status, it's their behaviour that's being condemned.

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over a year ago

"What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists.

Absolutely, but if the bad person does not enter the equation.................

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over a year ago

"What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists.

Absolutely, and very little of it with an ounce of factual back up but most of it backed up with class envy

As I said previously take a step back, read this thread and previous thread and then tell me honestly that the McCanns staus is not at the heart of many folks ire

Statues has never been mentioned or referred to at any point maybe your understanding of what has been wrote is flipped upside down by the status of forum members

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

so are we all convinced maddie is dead?

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over a year ago

"What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists.

Absolutely, but if the bad person does not enter the equation.................

Your missing the point of the parents are the bad people no matter what as they left a clear window for there daughter to go missing

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"so are we all convinced maddie is dead?

It's almost impossible to be convinced about anything to do with this story.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so are we all convinced maddie is dead?

I dearly hope not but in some cases at least she'd have peace

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over a year ago

"What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists.

Absolutely, and very little of it with an ounce of factual back up but most of it backed up with class envy

As I said previously take a step back, read this thread and previous thread and then tell me honestly that the McCanns staus is not at the heart of many folks ire

I have neither axe to grind or knife to sharpen I need no room to stand back and to me your intention is one of disruption rather than to debate a point. I have read the thread and other ones you interject in and it still looks as though you have other aims here why else insinuate class envy as its clearly a divisive comment.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists.

Absolutely, but if the bad person does not enter the equation.................

If the bad person does not enter the equation there is nothing that says Madeleine couldn't have had an accident. Even with parents around bad things happen to nice children.

As to your class assertions I don't see it at all. I see people mentioning their class, their status in terms of them being treated differently by the press than if they had been Tracy and Gazza from an estate in a run down inner city area. That's not envy in this case (envy being resentment of others possessions/luck/qualities). There is no envy of their situation. There is concern that they are being treated differently in that the press does not condemn them leaving the children alone. They are offered sympathy. That will change in a nanosecond IF it turns out that they are guilty of more than leaving the children alone, of course. However, that is just more supposition on my part.

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over a year ago

"What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists.

Absolutely, but if the bad person does not enter the equation.................

Your missing the point of the parents are the bad people no matter what as they left a clear window for there daughter to go missing"

April Jones parents let her out to play, are they bad parents?

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By *ornieandhotCouple
over a year ago

Peterborough

You know how ever she's finally found

No can't bring myself to say the options

I hope she's found peace and is happy no matter what

As I do all the people that are lost or missing I've been there I'm lucky I was found

Yeah ok this is an emotional thing for me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists.

Absolutely, but if the bad person does not enter the equation.................

Your missing the point of the parents are the bad people no matter what as they left a clear window for there daughter to go missing

April Jones parents let her out to play, are they bad parents?"

That is a different scenario entirely now it's clear your trying to start argument that like asking if you have anthrax vaccination just because it exists or you going to have a malaria jab while visiting a country where it's deemed not necessary

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

April Jones was from a less than affluent part of society however, and rightly so heaven and earth was moved to secure a conviction, so quite clearly the Tracy and Gazza thing is just a 'distraction'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

April Jones was from a less than affluent part of society however, and rightly so heaven and earth was moved to secure a conviction, so quite clearly the Tracy and Gazza thing is just a 'distraction'

So your agreeing it's nothing todo with status therefor your comment being invalid

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

April Jones was from a less than affluent part of society however, and rightly so heaven and earth was moved to secure a conviction, so quite clearly the Tracy and Gazza thing is just a 'distraction'

I think a few people have worked out you are looking to create an argument pushing the class thing. Don't you think its a little distasteful trying to do this on a topic about a missing child.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

April Jones was from a less than affluent part of society however, and rightly so heaven and earth was moved to secure a conviction, so quite clearly the Tracy and Gazza thing is just a 'distraction'

I think you are just doing this to be provocative now. Don't spoil what has been a good discussion.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

April Jones was from a less than affluent part of society however, and rightly so heaven and earth was moved to secure a conviction, so quite clearly the Tracy and Gazza thing is just a 'distraction'

OK, I see that you have taken a fixed _iew and will not countenance any refusal to see your point of _iew. As with other posts I won't be taking your bait any further.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think you are just doing this to be provocative now. Don't spoil what has been a good discussion."

Is this me off to the naughty step again for not conforming?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"I think you are just doing this to be provocative now. Don't spoil what has been a good discussion.

Is this me off to the naughty step again for not conforming?

Maybe it is best if you read the forum rules

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think a few people have worked out you are looking to create an argument pushing the class thing. Don't you think its a little distasteful trying to do this on a topic about a missing child. "

Nope my point has and always will be that if you take the 'bad person' out of the McCann story then we have no story, end of.

Plus I did think that the whole concept of debate was that we didn't all 'have' to agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the worrying thing for me is the irish family that have and did state to both sets of police that they said they def saw the father carrying maddie that night, at a time that now fits in with the time line......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Question do you think the McCanns started the media circus to take the heat of themselves. They should of been made accountable.

The majority of abuse is either within the family or a close friend so why not look there. So many unanswered questions still needs answering.

This whole maddie thing has never sat right for me.

And under no circumstances would any sane person would leave young children alone unattended.

I also think its a cover up weather the mum had postnatal depression or had something to do with the dad or something.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What's become abundantly clear is that a number of contributors have a potential second career as novelists.

Absolutely, but if the bad person does not enter the equation.................

the only clear evidence of bad person/s is the parents for leaving the childern 'home alone'.

there is no evidence of an abduction, is there?

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By *nfieldishCouple
over a year ago

Enfield

Summink smells fishy...and it ain't no fish.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Holy moly just imagine if the mcanns or their solicitors accessed this forum defamation of character or libel action could be pursued based on some comments based on nothing.

Did they make a mistake leaving the children yes even though only 50 meters away.

But fact it a child is missing and yet still without proof folk are alleging they were involved. There is no evidence whatsoever that they were.

If british police thought for one second they were they would be arrested.

Remember the legal action by lord mcalpine after folk posted false allegations about him on facebook.

I think the either folk need to be careful what they put in public forums having thoughts is one thing but making unproven allegations on a public forum is a disaster waiting to happen and perhaps admin need to remind those making accusations that they are potentially breaking the law and in addition mods by allowing such comments are at risk.

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By *ollie_JCouple
over a year ago

London

The comments would be classified probably as slander rather than libel. Justice Eady 2009.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The comments would be classified probably as slander rather than libel. Justice Eady 2009."

Either way illegal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Imagine if they found. Maddie alive Which would be great But What is The likelihood of Still being able to Speak English

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

"The comments would be classified probably as slander rather than libel. Justice Eady 2009.

Either way illegal."

I think they'd need a Euromillions win to sue everyone that thinks they are guilty of something.

And then it would have to be one of the big rollovers.

All I can say about the Crimewatch programme is that it didn't change my mind at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe the latest campaign is something clever cooked up by the police to flush some evidence out to arrest the McCanns???

What I do not understand is why they were never convicted of negligence of leaving 3 kids alone in a strange room whilst they went on the piss???

If they were a normal working class couple on holiday in Benidorm, they would have been up to their neck in a shit storm

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The comments would be classified probably as slander rather than libel. Justice Eady 2009."

Another. ' probability ' ...not much done on those I'm affraid , ...and going by all recent transcripts from the ongoing libel case they don't do too well when it actually gets to court .....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can't quite see how what a person feels and goes through after losing "someone very close suddenly and in a traumatic way" can ever come to an end.

I don't understand how there can be a point in time when folk can say 'It's OK now'. "

I think the only closure with what you are talking about is the day you die.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Imagine if they found. Maddie alive Which would be great But What is The likelihood of Still being able to Speak English "

That would, of course, be a disaster of epic proportion.

How, in the 21st century, anyone can expect to live a happy and fulfilling life and not be able to speak English is beyond my comprehension.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It would be most heartwarming story to o hear Maddie be found safe and well but can't see it happening

I'm still Amazed by the parents who both appear very educated, yet their behaviour back then seems more suited to someone off the Jeremy Kyle show!!! Appalling parenting!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Holy moly just imagine if the mcanns or their solicitors accessed this forum defamation of character or libel action could be pursued based on some comments based on nothing.

Did they make a mistake leaving the children yes even though only 50 meters away.

But fact it a child is missing and yet still without proof folk are alleging they were involved. There is no evidence whatsoever that they were.

If british police thought for one second they were they would be arrested.

Remember the legal action by lord mcalpine after folk posted false allegations about him on facebook.

Although free speech and press release means we're able to make theories and speculate as it's only talking between ourselves there's nothing even slightly illegal. But it does seem with evidence provided which is minimal does point to the parents

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Imagine if they found. Maddie alive Which would be great But What is The likelihood of Still being able to Speak English

That would, of course, be a disaster of epic proportion.

How, in the 21st century, anyone can expect to live a happy and fulfilling life and not be able to speak English is beyond my comprehension."

dunno, you guys up there, and brummies, seem to do alright lol

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Mods can only advise people, just like you did

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mods can only advise people, just like you did

If cops had slightest inkling mcanns involved they would have been dealt with fact is they have not been so to me its that simple.

Portugese police have lot to answer for in my eyes as the initial investigation leaves lot to be desired.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not changed my _iew on bit

I hope Maddie is found alive & well

But no sympathy at all for the parents - should never have left her alone "
i totally agree x

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