FabSwingers.com forum: Madeleine McCann

By *lentyoffun40 OP Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire

Police suggest they now have a better understanding of the timescales of when Maddie went missing

Bloody hell ... thought this would have been sorted in the first hour of investigation

Then Kate McCann says in crimewatch tonight " we have done nothing wrong ....it's the man who took her who has done wrong "

I see what your saying Kate ... But really ? You can't see what you did was wrong?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Police suggest they now have a better understanding of the timescales of when Maddie went missing

Bloody hell ... thought this would have been sorted in the first hour of investigation

Then Kate McCann says in crimewatch tonight " we have done nothing wrong ....it's the man who took her who has done wrong "

I see what your saying Kate ... But really ? You can't see what you did was wrong?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yup, they fucked up big time but demonizing them isn't going to help. People should focus on finding the missing child, once that's happened we can start slinging the mud.

Personally I think the investigation was flawed from the start and badly handled, now the met is involved things have become clearer and more organised. Sadly though I think she's probably dead and has been for a considerable amount of time. I hope they finally get an answer though . Good or bad it will give them closure.

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By *lentyoffun40 OP Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire

"Yup, they fucked up big time but demonizing them isn't going to help. People should focus on finding the missing child, once that's happened we can start slinging the mud.

I'm not demonising anyone

But to say she's done nothing wrong on crimewatch is bizarre

As for the investigation .. Maybe the Portuguese police could have handled it better , however you telling me its taken 6 years to come up with the fact she went missing between 8 30 and 10 pm ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is their attitudes and believes that they have done nothing wrong from Day 1 that made me have no sympathy for them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is their attitudes and believes that they have done nothing wrong from Day 1 that made me have no sympathy for them.

well said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are still too many questions unanswered from the parents in all of this.

As a parent there is no way we would have left our children alone at night even in this country

Someday we still hope she is found alive and well but as time passes and things become more hazy with memories of people there that hope will surely pass

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Even if she were to be found, would a UK court hand her back to her parents?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Even if she were to be found, would a UK court hand her back to her parents?"

yes they would, they are 2 respectable members of society

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By *lle adie 2Woman
over a year ago

newcastle upon tyne

when my child was small he was with us at all times, never out of our sight..

but theyre doctors so they got away with it, the question is what would have happened if they'd been a couple on benefits?

answer = they would have be hounded and other children taken away from them.

well that's my opinion and many I speak to

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Even if she were to be found, would a UK court hand her back to her parents?

yes they would, they are 2 respectable members of society

That's the image they like to project. Some folk fall for it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I doubt very much there are any parents out there who have not left their kids to sleep somewhere not in their immediate sight whilst they have socialised.

I know we have so we can't take our seat on today's outrage bus alongside those who never took their eyes off their kids for 24/7 during their childhood

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is their attitudes and believes that they have done nothing wrong from Day 1 that made me have no sympathy for them.

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By *i-shoptonMan
over a year ago

bishopton

"It is their attitudes and believes that they have done nothing wrong from Day 1 that made me have no sympathy for them.

Are you seriously suggesting they deserve what they get????

Omg.......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I doubt very much there are any parents out there who have not left their kids to sleep somewhere not in their immediate sight whilst they have socialised.

I know we have so we can't take our seat on today's outrage bus alongside those who never took their eyes off their kids for 24/7 during their childhood

we never did and to go out for a meal and leave her!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We still think the McCanns are hiding something.

They are not believable.

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By *lle adie 2Woman
over a year ago

newcastle upon tyne

I meant on holiday, we'd never leave child in hotel room. He was with us at all times. If he was tired then we went back to hotel. Hes even fell asleep in the middle of dinner. So that was an early night for us all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *i-shoptonMan
over a year ago

bishopton

"Even if she were to be found, would a UK court hand her back to her parents?

yes they would, they are 2 respectable members of society

That's the image they like to project. Some folk fall for it."

And therefor , your theory is?????

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By *uietlykinkymeWoman
over a year ago

kinky land

"It is their attitudes and believes that they have done nothing wrong from Day 1 that made me have no sympathy for them.

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i agree. I pay a sitter or don't go out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Even if she were to be found, would a UK court hand her back to her parents?

yes they would, they are 2 respectable members of society

That's the image they like to project. Some folk fall for it."

They're guilty of having a lack of common sense and putting their social life above that of the safety of their children. Their punishment is ongoing and let's face it, agonising.

Apart from that they're well respected medical professionals.

Unless you know otherwise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They are my number one suspects. I feel sorry for the young girl. The parents have too many questions to answer. I wouldn't trust them with my child

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

For two "intelligent" people they acted incredibly stupid in their actions...They have to live with that for the rest of their lives... do i believe maddie is alive sadly i don't believe she is...

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Even if she were to be found, would a UK court hand her back to her parents?

yes they would, they are 2 respectable members of society

That's the image they like to project. Some folk fall for it.

And therefor , your theory is?????"

There's no need for a theory. We have all the facts - except the 'who'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Even if she were to be found, would a UK court hand her back to her parents?

yes they would, they are 2 respectable members of society

That's the image they like to project. Some folk fall for it.

They're guilty of having a lack of common sense and putting their social life above that of the safety of their children. Their punishment is ongoing and let's face it, agonising.

Apart from that they're well respected medical professionals.

Unless you know otherwise."

How do you know they are respected, sounds like you read the Sun

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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over a year ago

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Even if she were to be found, would a UK court hand her back to her parents?

yes they would, they are 2 respectable members of society

That's the image they like to project. Some folk fall for it.

They're guilty of having a lack of common sense and putting their social life above that of the safety of their children. Their punishment is ongoing and let's face it, agonising.

Apart from that they're well respected medical professionals.

Unless you know otherwise."

That's not the same as respectable members of society.

Shipman was a 'well respected medical professional'.

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By * pool 1Couple
over a year ago

Liverpool

And we are with the people who have never left their children in a strange country in a strange room without one of us being there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'll comment in this because I was reading the paper yesterday.

Thos may get me shot down and I have my tin hat on..

One picture caught my attention.

They were holding up a pic of how maddie might look today.

I consider myself absolutely superb at reading body language and I'm sorey but something isn't right about them.

All through this, they seem all too willing to help the worlds media and police, they seem far too composed.

Most people would be telling the media and police to fuck off by now and get on with our lives..possibly even divorced over such a tragedy.

They just looked do guilty in that pic.

It just seems like they have some sort of agreement between each other along the lines of "if we keep it like this we'll be ok".

It's almost like they KNOW maddie will not be found because they have covered their tracks so well.

Kate hss a guilty look in her eye.

I'm a firm believer that the truth always outs.

Whatever happened in that flat..I think the mcanns know all too well.

$0.02

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By *affy72Woman
over a year ago

Herefordshire

Firstly, I love the way that it is implied and even stated as fact that the Portuguese botched the investigation - have you seen how detailed the Portuguese files are?!!

I think it still rubs people up the wrong way that the McCanns have never admitted that they did the wrong thing by leaving their children unattended. Parents will no doubt have taken their eyes of their child/ren for a second but to go out wining and dining for an evening leaving your beloved children all under three years of age unsupervised, is disgusting behaviour for two supposedly intelligent adults.

The McCanns seem to enjoy playing the victim. They should remember that the only victim in this is Madeleine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

*spelling mistakes and typos on phone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think both parents know they made a terrible mistake and have to live with that everyday and its something that must eat away at both of them.

I agree with the above sentiment that what is done is done and the only important thing is that the child is returned home safe. I have no god but if I did I would be asking her in a prayer for a happy ending to what can only be described as a tragic incident.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Firstly, I love the way that it is implied and even stated as fact that the Portuguese botched the investigation - have you seen how detailed the Portuguese files are?!!

The McCanns seem to enjoy playing the victim. They should remember that the only victim in this is Madeleine."
Harsh I think? The parents have to live with their terrible judgement call and if that was me I would be a basket case.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'll comment in this because I was reading the paper yesterday.

Thos may get me shot down and I have my tin hat on..

One picture caught my attention.

They were holding up a pic of how maddie might look today.

I consider myself absolutely superb at reading body language and I'm sorey but something isn't right about them.

All through this, they seem all too willing to help the worlds media and police, they seem far too composed.

Most people would be telling the media and police to fuck off by now and get on with our lives..possibly even divorced over such a tragedy.

They just looked do guilty in that pic.

It just seems like they have some sort of agreement between each other along the lines of "if we keep it like this we'll be ok".

It's almost like they KNOW maddie will not be found because they have covered their tracks so well.

Kate hss a guilty look in her eye.

I'm a firm believer that the truth always outs.

Whatever happened in that flat..I think the mcanns know all too well.

$0.02"
What is a guilty eye?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think slander is an offence, be careful what you say, because it can land you in trouble.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" The parents have to live with their terrible judgement call and if that was me I would be a basket case."

Yet look how composed they are in front of the media.

The fact they are not "basket cases" in itself is suspicious to me...given the situation/event.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think slander is an offence, be careful what you say, because it can land you in trouble."

Pffft! You think we on fabswingers are saying anything fucking new here?...

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

People are allowing sympathy for their situation to overshadow condemnation of their actions.

It's like the boy who killed his parents then pleads for mercy cos he's an orphan.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I think slander is an offence, be careful what you say, because it can land you in trouble."

Truth is an absolute defence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think slander is an offence, be careful what you say, because it can land you in trouble.

Pffft! You think we on fabswingers are saying anything fucking new here?...

of course not, but here you are putting it in print on a web site for all to see.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So many theories come to mind. Imagine they accidentally overdosed the child. As respectable doctors they decided not to be struck off the register by destroying all evidence. I'm sorry I just don't believe their story.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It wasn't just that evening they left their children alone, so they could socialise...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When I was young and on holiday with my parents they used to put me n my sister to bed and then go out ,it's not right but that was the times back then a lot of parents seem to do this

Like someone said before I never let my kids out of my site when they went to bed that was the end of the night and u stayed in with them

I don't really feel sorry for the parents it's the little girl I feel sorry for but the parents have and are still paying the price for something that they have done before and thought it safe to do time and time again but when all is said and done the sad thing is a little girl has gone missing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"when my child was small he was with us at all times, never out of our sight..

but theyre doctors so they got away with it, the question is what would have happened if they'd been a couple on benefits?

answer = they would have be hounded and other children taken away from them.

well that's my opinion and many I speak to "

"...At all times, never out of sight." Really? Honestly?

That sounds obsessional. A what age did this 24/7 surveilance cease? Did you and your partner share shifts to watch or did you employ security people?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think slander is an offence, be careful what you say, because it can land you in trouble.

Pffft! You think we on fabswingers are saying anything fucking new here?...

of course not, but here you are putting it in print on a web site for all to see.

I would say you could find what I just said virtually verbatim on hundreds of dites/forums.

I don't usually comment in these threads but this case bothers me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" The parents have to live with their terrible judgement call and if that was me I would be a basket case.

Yet look how composed they are in front of the media.

The fact they are not "basket cases" in itself is suspicious to me...given the situation/event.

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We are all different and have different mechanisms to cope. I just hope that the little girl Is alive and being cared for call me an optimist but that's just my thoughts.

Anyway folks I have to go and earn some money and pay taxes and as the The Sun and The Mail would have you believe to support couples with 100 kids claiming a zillion pounds a year in benefits sat at home all day watching daytime TV on their 100" TV screens and texting on their 10g I phones!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

They only do 'soft' inter_iews. People like Kirsty Young saying'how dreadful it must be for you'.

It needs Paxman or Humphries to ask'what the **** did you think you were doing?'

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By *rthur WrightusMan
over a year ago

Round the Bend

"when my child was small he was with us at all times, never out of our sight..

but theyre doctors so they got away with it, the question is what would have happened if they'd been a couple on benefits?

answer = they would have be hounded and other children taken away from them.

well that's my opinion and many I speak to "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sniffer dogs trained to find human remains found the same scent in the boot of the McCann's hire car as they did in the bedroom. That's pretty damming though in isolation not enough to prosecute.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think slander is an offence, be careful what you say, because it can land you in trouble.

Pffft! You think we on fabswingers are saying anything fucking new here?...

of course not, but here you are putting it in print on a web site for all to see.

I would say you could find what I just said virtually verbatim on hundreds of dites/forums.

I don't usually comment in these threads but this case bothers me."

I certainly don't think there was anything wrong with your post, I feel the same, My job is to read people, I was just making a point, after reading about other cases of slander found on social media sites.

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By *affy72Woman
over a year ago

Herefordshire

"Harsh I think? The parents have to live with their terrible judgement call and if that was me I would be a basket case."

Yes perhaps I am being harsh, but I've read the translated files and something is definitely amiss with this case, so I think I probably have less sympathy for them than I would generally.

You would be a basket case, I would be a basket case, but they are unnaturally composed, now why is that?

In the beginning, Gerry kept an online diary - one of the things that struck me as very odd was him boasting about their running times whilst their daughter is missing?! Also that photo of them absolutely beaming coming out of the church... on Madeleine's birthday.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One question that always occurs to me when the 'Maddy' story resurfaces is how come this one event grabs so much news time. Not that it shouldn't as it's a horrendous thing to happen but I'm pretty sure there's quite a lot of very similar cases in this country yet we don't hear about it. What's the difference? Very media savvy parents?????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Harsh I think? The parents have to live with their terrible judgement call and if that was me I would be a basket case.

Yes perhaps I am being harsh, but I've read the translated files and something is definitely amiss with this case, so I think I probably have less sympathy for them than I would generally.

You would be a basket case, I would be a basket case, but they are unnaturally composed, now why is that?

being doctors, they are use to having a poker face, and hiding emotions,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One question that always occurs to me when the 'Maddy' story resurfaces is how come this one event grabs so much news time. Not that it shouldn't as it's a horrendous thing to happen but I'm pretty sure there's quite a lot of very similar cases in this country yet we don't hear about it. What's the difference? Very media savvy parents?????"

as you can see form this thread, it affects people, it sells newspapers, and is a good page filler,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hard as it is for them there actions of leaving there young children alone in a holiday villa so they could go out and enjoy themselves resulted in exposing there children to increased risk of something terrible occuring which sadley did.

The support from the media and law enforcement for them here has been vast and never have there reckless actions been questioned ,would that have been the case if the parents werent so called educated professionals but working class family on a fortnight package to Benidorm who left there kids home alone while out at the british theme pub down the street, i think not !!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think slander is an offence, be careful what you say, because it can land you in trouble."

slander is portraying something as fact. All anyone is doing here is expressing person opinions, which everyone in a (I'll say it loosely) democratic society is entitled to do.

Whatever happened to that girl, regardless of the who, what or wherefores, the Portuguese police ballsed up, or were paid off, hugely. The sooner the facts are discovered, whether that little girl is alive or dead, the better for everyone.

I don't think the mccanns are faultless, but neither do I believe they were involved. I think they were selfish and idiotic. Can all us parents say we have never done something to put our children in direct danger? Taking eyes off them in a swimming pool or a park? Would we deserve it if our child died or was snatched as a result?

It happens, and granted, they upped the chances. But we are parents, we all make mistakes. Just some more (and bigger) than others.

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By *affy72Woman
over a year ago

Herefordshire

"being doctors, they are use to having a poker face, and hiding emotions"

Yes absolutely I agree with you, as doctors they are bound to hide their emotions more than those that aren't... but surely that only applies to dealing with their patients, not when talking about their own child?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"being doctors, they are use to having a poker face, and hiding emotions

are you sure it was their child?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is their attitudes and believes that they have done nothing wrong from Day 1 that made me have no sympathy for them.

Are you seriously suggesting they deserve what they get????

Omg......."

No one deserves to lose a child, however it does not mean they deserve mine or other people's sympathy.

I feel sorry for the child, but not for the parents.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont know what happened to that poor little girl and sadly i dont think we ever will but...there has always been something just kinda 'wrong' with that couple?

There always seems to be a slight hint of fake about them, you cant quite put your finger on it but its there.

If it were me or maybe you wouldn't you freak out on tv, i would be screaming how i would make it my life mission to track the bastards to the ends of the world, relentless! until i find them, what ever it cost or long it takes i would hunt until i die, i would do life inside for it, i would tear the f**king world apart hunting for my daughter....but them? they seem just too 'mater of fact' about it...ok i'll get off me soap box now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I dont know what happened to that poor little girl and sadly i dont think we ever will but...there has always been something just kinda 'wrong' with that couple?

There always seems to be a slight hint of fake about them, you cant quite put your finger on it but its there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is their attitudes and believes that they have done nothing wrong from Day 1 that made me have no sympathy for them.

Are you seriously suggesting they deserve what they get????

Omg.......

No one deserves to lose a child, however it does not mean they deserve mine or other people's sympathy.

I feel sorry for the child, but not for the parents.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

This is the thing that annoys me. There are missing children and missing child, it seems. I'm also rather appalled at the amount of money being spent on this one case because of the press attention on a pretty child and her acceptable parents. Will we do the same for all of the other parents wondering what has happened to their children? The 'crime' didn't happen here - in most other cases the investigation in the jurisdiction of the crime is seen as something with which we wouldn't intere.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

" The parents have to live with their terrible judgement call and if that was me I would be a basket case.

Yet look how composed they are in front of the media.

The fact they are not "basket cases" in itself is suspicious to me...given the situation/event.

Go and spend a month in a clic sargent residential house with parents who have children in hospital with life threatening diseases. People cope emotionally in many ways with the ongoing situation, there is no wrong or right way. Some mix, and socialise, some don't, some are negative, some are positive. One thing is for sure the staff, who are amazing, don't make judgement calls.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just to add a little context Doreen Lawrence always seemed very calm and business like during her years and years of fighting for justice for her sons murder.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just to add a little context Doreen Lawrence always seemed very calm and business like during her years and years of fighting for justice for her sons murder. "

A totally different case, she knows her son is dead, and has buried her son, so she has an ending, her way of coping is to put her strength and love into something positive.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

it is a very, very sad affair, I feel for anyone who has lost their child, has a child missing and live every day of their life the torment of not knowing...

I don't feel the need to pass comment on the parents, they have enough pain.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

Sarah and I were only discussing the very same thing last night.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No one knows what happened. You don't know what you would do if you were in the mccanns place today.

Yes, she made a mistake leaving her kids alone but do too did most of the group there. I am pretty sure they thought their kids were safe.

You can't read their body language without knowing the'control' situation. You can only assume. Ass u me. They are professional people dealing with awful situations in their daoly work do probably know how to hide snd control emotion. They can't do a paxman type of inter_iew because it is an open case.

Give them a break for the love of God.

Take the plank out your own eye before removing the splinters from others

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Legally British police have no jurisdiction in Portugal or any other country. i believe tgat the only exception to this being when both the suspect and victim of a crime are British nationals.

I can't see how any evidence gathered by the Met could be permissable in a Portuguese court or the legal basis for atrial Iin the UK.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just to add a little context Doreen Lawrence always seemed very calm and business like during her years and years of fighting for justice for her sons murder.

A totally different case, she knows her son is dead, and has buried her son, so she has an ending, her way of coping is to put her strength and love into something positive."

Did you ever consider the McCanns way of coping was to put all their strength and love into something positive, like maybe the belief their daughter is still alive and continuing the search for her?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Just to add a little context Doreen Lawrence always seemed very calm and business like during her years and years of fighting for justice for her sons murder.

A totally different case, she knows her son is dead, and has buried her son, so she has an ending, her way of coping is to put her strength and love into something positive.

Did you ever consider the McCanns way of coping was to put all their strength and love into something positive, like maybe the belief their daughter is still alive and continuing the search for her?"

............ and continuing to raise money?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"I doubt very much there are any parents out there who have not left their kids to sleep somewhere not in their immediate sight whilst they have socialised.

You have just found some, we have never left our children alone in a building while we went drinking and eating in another building, be that on holiday or at home.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"It is their attitudes and believes that they have done nothing wrong from Day 1 that made me have no sympathy for them.

Are you seriously suggesting they deserve what they get????

Omg......."

I am not sure that is the same thing at all

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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They're guilty of having a lack of common sense and putting their social life above that of the safety of their children. Their punishment is ongoing and let's face it, agonising.

Whatever happened on that night, they are the ones who have to live with the guilt which as you say must be agonising.

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over a year ago

"I doubt very much there are any parents out there who have not left their kids to sleep somewhere not in their immediate sight whilst they have socialised.

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You have just found some, we have never left our children alone in a building while we went drinking and eating in another building, be that on holiday or at home.

You never sat in the garden post BBQ with friends whilst your kids were asleep indoors?

You never worked on the car on the drive whilst your kids were asleep indoors?

You never tended the garden whilst the kids were asleep indoors?

You never chatted with a neighbour whilst the kids were asleep indoors?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just to add a little context Doreen Lawrence always seemed very calm and business like during her years and years of fighting for justice for her sons murder.

A totally different case, she knows her son is dead, and has buried her son, so she has an ending, her way of coping is to put her strength and love into something positive.

Did you ever consider the McCanns way of coping was to put all their strength and love into something positive, like maybe the belief their daughter is still alive and continuing the search for her?

............ and continuing to raise money?"

You are quite correct Doreen and her family raised lots of money to help them continue their fight for justice, very good point

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

How old was the Lawrence boy when he was murdered?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They're guilty of having a lack of common sense and putting their social life above that of the safety of their children. Their punishment is ongoing and let's face it, agonising.

Whatever happened on that night, they are the ones who have to live with the guilt which as you say must be agonising."

I feel sorry for Maddy and whatever happened to her.

I feel sorry the remaining children for having to live in the shadow of this mess.

I don't have one iota of sympathy for the parents. Their negligence caused this!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just to add a little context Doreen Lawrence always seemed very calm and business like during her years and years of fighting for justice for her sons murder.

A totally different case, she knows her son is dead, and has buried her son, so she has an ending, her way of coping is to put her strength and love into something positive.

Did you ever consider the McCanns way of coping was to put all their strength and love into something positive, like maybe the belief their daughter is still alive and continuing the search for her?

............ and continuing to raise money?"

For their "charity" which is no such thing and is used for their mortgage payments and living costs.

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley

"It is their attitudes and believes that they have done nothing wrong from Day 1 that made me have no sympathy for them.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"I doubt very much there are any parents out there who have not left their kids to sleep somewhere not in their immediate sight whilst they have socialised.

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You have just found some, we have never left our children alone in a building while we went drinking and eating in another building, be that on holiday or at home.

You never sat in the garden post BBQ with friends whilst your kids were asleep indoors?

You never worked on the car on the drive whilst your kids were asleep indoors?

You never tended the garden whilst the kids were asleep indoors?

You never chatted with a neighbour whilst the kids were asleep indoors?"

I was expecting that answer to be honest as it is always bandied about when this subject comes up.....and I really can't understand how any adult would think they were the same thing and if I have to explain why they are different then thats ever worse.

It is up to you if you have left your children the same way as they did, but don't think everyone has done the same as your first post suggested.... as responsible sensible parents we didn't.

No food or drink was worth putting our children in danger for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just to add a little context Doreen Lawrence always seemed very calm and business like during her years and years of fighting for justice for her sons murder.

A totally different case, she knows her son is dead, and has buried her son, so she has an ending, her way of coping is to put her strength and love into something positive.

Did you ever consider the McCanns way of coping was to put all their strength and love into something positive, like maybe the belief their daughter is still alive and continuing the search for her?

............ and continuing to raise money?

You are quite correct Doreen and her family raised lots of money to help them continue their fight for justice, very good point

Why are you intent on derailling this thread in to a debate about Stephen Lawrence's family? The cases are poles apart

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I doubt very much there are any parents out there who have not left their kids to sleep somewhere not in their immediate sight whilst they have socialised.

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You have just found some, we have never left our children alone in a building while we went drinking and eating in another building, be that on holiday or at home.

You never sat in the garden post BBQ with friends whilst your kids were asleep indoors?

You never worked on the car on the drive whilst your kids were asleep indoors?

You never tended the garden whilst the kids were asleep indoors?

You never chatted with a neighbour whilst the kids were asleep indoors?"

Think you're missing the point.

Outside one's own home within earshot of one's children is a lot different from being out having a good time in a completely different building in a completely foreign country.

Just think of the confusion if a child wakes in a strange room compared to their own room for a start!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

according to some reports that couldn't of happened.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So Kate actually says "we did nothing wrong"? Plus why blindly say it was a man who took her ? Do females not abduct kids also ? A strange thing to say and lots of people with a guilty conscience,do say similar things.

Our jails are full of people who believe they "did nothing wrong" also. I'm not casting any aspersions here but I just just see two very cold calculating people,a bit too 'stiff upper lip' for my liking.

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

"I doubt very much there are any parents out there who have not left their kids to sleep somewhere not in their immediate sight whilst they have socialised.

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You have just found some, we have never left our children alone in a building while we went drinking and eating in another building, be that on holiday or at home.

You never sat in the garden post BBQ with friends whilst your kids were asleep indoors?

You never worked on the car on the drive whilst your kids were asleep indoors?

You never tended the garden whilst the kids were asleep indoors?

You never chatted with a neighbour whilst the kids were asleep indoors?

Think you're missing the point.

Outside one's own home within earshot of one's children is a lot different from being out having a good time in a completely different building in a completely foreign country.

Just think of the confusion if a child wakes in a strange room compared to their own room for a start!

Which is why they drugged them so they wouldn't wake!

Which then meant that whatever happened to Madeleine was assisted by the parents actions, no matter how unknowingly.

But to drug your children so they don't wake and wonder where you are or wander off so that you can go for a meal is not the actions of a clear thinking parent.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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To answer a few comments....I am not sure how any of us would behave if something like that happened so is it fair to suggest she is acting strange?

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Even if she were to be found, would a UK court hand her back to her parents?

yes they would, they are 2 respectable members of society

That's the image they like to project. Some folk fall for it.

They're guilty of having a lack of common sense and putting their social life above that of the safety of their children. Their punishment is ongoing and let's face it, agonising.

Apart from that they're well respected medical professionals.

Unless you know otherwise.

That's not the same as respectable members of society.

Shipman was a 'well respected medical professional'."

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"To answer a few comments....I am not sure how any of us would behave if something like that happened so is it fair to suggest she is acting strange?"

this..

also how anyone can make a comparison between leaving a child asleep whilst downstairs, outside in the garden etc and leaving a child alone whilst one is away at a restaurant for an hour or so is nonsense..

equally as nonsense as posters on here playing Miss Marple based on seeing the parents on tv with their 'guilty eyes'..

ffs..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Our son actually needs drugs to help him sleep as he doesnt go to sleep naturally but once he is asleep he is never left alone and if we were on holiday we would be even more wary about leaving the kids alone

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over a year ago

"I doubt very much there are any parents out there who have not left their kids to sleep somewhere not in their immediate sight whilst they have socialised.

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You have just found some, we haven never left our children alone in a building while we went drinking and eating in another building, be that on holiday or at home.

You never sat in the garden post BBQ with friends whilst your kids were asleep indoors?

You never worked on the car on the drive whilst your kids were asleep indoors?

You never tended the garden whilst the kids were asleep indoors?

You never chatted with a neighbour whilst the kids were asleep indoors?"

Only as far as the baby monitor will reach- which is far enough for us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I doubt very much there are any parents out there who have not left their kids to sleep somewhere not in their immediate sight whilst they have socialised.

(

You have just found some, we have never left our children alone in a building while we went drinking and eating in another building, be that on holiday or at home.

You never sat in the garden post BBQ with friends whilst your kids were asleep indoors?

You never worked on the car on the drive whilst your kids were asleep indoors?

You never tended the garden whilst the kids were asleep indoors?

You never chatted with a neighbour whilst the kids were asleep indoors?"

The difference being they are within earshot and in our own house and there would also be people there that would keep an eye out for them waking up ! Not however far away they were having a meal with friends

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally I have always felt they have this air of superiority, in that because they are professionals, any decisions and actions they made must have been correct, and how dare anyone criticise them etc. etc...

Sorry, however they are a good case that illustrates lacking in common sense, good judgement and parental responsibility transcend to all walks of life, including the so-called professionals, and not just those who appear on Jerry Springers and Jeremy Kyle shows!

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

"So Kate actually says "we did nothing wrong"? Plus why blindly say it was a man who took her ? Do females not abduct kids also ? A strange thing to say and lots of people with a guilty conscience,do say similar things.

Aspersions are exactly what you are casting...cod psychology writ large...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is up to you if you have left your children the same way as they did, but don't think everyone has done the same as your first post suggested.... as responsible sensible parents we didn't.

No food or drink was worth putting our children in danger for."

Of course you were expecting that answer hence the massive body swerve as the obvious response, in the context of the thread is rather difficult to make.

If you have sat in the garden enjoying food and drink whilst your kids are unsupervised in doors then clearly some food and drink was worth putting your kids at risk for.

The notion that because they are behind a locked door they are therefore safe is very reasonable one to make but it's not a cast iron guarantee which if you pause for breath, re read my posts it's the only point I have made.

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over a year ago

"It is their attitudes and believes that they have done nothing wrong from Day 1 that made me have no sympathy for them.

indeed.

and the sense of entitlement from them the authorities have had to drop everything to sort it out for them.

now, before anyone starts, i know if anyone loses a child the police are duty bound to do everything possible to find it, and hopefully they do.

but why this child?

why so public?

said it before and i will say it again, if it had been a single mother, or a couple on benefits, the questions would be how they could afford to be there, rather than who took the kid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why are you intent on derailling this thread in to a debate about Stephen Lawrence's family? The cases are poles apart

Might I politely suggest you have another read of the thread and if you are still confused maybe one of the lighter subjects in the lounge would be more to your taste

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To answer a few comments....I am not sure how any of us would behave if something like that happened so is it fair to suggest she is acting strange?"

can guarantee the way we acted WOULDNT include being videoed walking down a beach, arm in arm, holding a rose for Maddie....

the police would be lucky to search anywhere before V gt there first.

she would be going frantic and would turn the country over before the police even answered the phone.

suffice to say, never ever would she leave the kids alone.

jesus, the youngest is now 11 nd he is only ever allowed out to play for an hour at a time, before he has to pop back and let her know he is alright, and thats at home, in a tiny village.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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It is up to you if you have left your children the same way as they did, but don't think everyone has done the same as your first post suggested.... as responsible sensible parents we didn't.

No food or drink was worth putting our children in danger for.

Of course you were expecting that answer hence the massive body swerve as the obvious response, in the context of the thread is rather difficult to make.

If you have sat in the garden enjoying food and drink whilst your kids are unsupervised in doors then clearly some food and drink was worth putting your kids at risk for.

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I think your argument is flawed and you are being pedantic or can't see the woods for the trees.... (but then thats probably because you would have left your children alone by the sounds of it) and to be honest getting into a discussion with someone doing that isn't worth the time or effort

My comment still stands, anyone who leaves their children to go and socialise away from the building their children are in are not the same as the sensible parents who don't

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

"It is their attitudes and believes that they have done nothing wrong from Day 1 that made me have no sympathy for them.

indeed.

and the sense of entitlement from them the authorities have had to drop everything to sort it out for them.

now, before anyone starts, i know if anyone loses a child the police are duty bound to do everything possible to find it, and hopefully they do.

but why this child?

why so public?

said it before and i will say it again, if it had been a single mother, or a couple on benefits, the questions would be how they could afford to be there, rather than who took the kid."

So are you suggesting that for 'middle class ' parents, who have had their child kidnapped, there should be some kind of means test on money spent in investigation, and publicity?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I doubt very much there are any parents out there who have not left their kids to sleep somewhere not in their immediate sight whilst they have socialised.

(

You have just found some, we have never left our children alone in a building while we went drinking and eating in another building, be that on holiday or at home.

You never sat in the garden post BBQ with friends whilst your kids were asleep indoors?

You never worked on the car on the drive whilst your kids were asleep indoors?

You never tended the garden whilst the kids were asleep indoors?

You never chatted with a neighbour whilst the kids were asleep indoors?

It is up to you if you have left your children the same way as they did, but don't think everyone has done the same as your first post suggested.... as responsible sensible parents we didn't.

No food or drink was worth putting our children in danger for."

Agreed also never ever did this when my children were small and vulnerable not once never kids stayed with us or we went home non negotiable

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"To answer a few comments....I am not sure how any of us would behave if something like that happened so is it fair to suggest she is acting strange?

can guarantee the way we acted WOULDNT include being videoed walking down a beach, arm in arm, holding a rose for Maddie....

I am with you , it isn't something I think I would have done but we are all different in how we possibly could react.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So you believe that if someone leaves their child in bed asleep and goes 25 yards away, returning every 20 to 30 minutes, they should have their child taken from them; forever? sounds Draconian to me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It was over 50 yards away, and closer to 50-60 minutes they checked on the children. Those kids were alone in an unlocked apartment out of earshot and line of sight of their parents. This was also not just a one off but a regular occurrence on this holiday. I don't think any right minded parent would act in this way, let alone part of a bunch of "professionals" especially two such professionals with a double income who could well afford a baby-sitter to be with their kids in loco parentis, as it is the kids spent most of their time with the child minders during the day anyway. Two selfish parents who put themselves first before their children.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That is a very good point. In fact, how does Kate know that it was a man that did it? Unless she has something to hide.

As someone on here mentioned before about trained sniffer dogs, the dogs found the scent of death not just in the car the McCanns hired but also in Maddies toys and on Kate's clothing.

I may have a theory on what happened and please don't have a go at me when you read this. I have read some articles and blogs in the past saying that Maddie may have died in accident involving falling down the stairs during that holiday and the parents covered it up. What I think happened was that after the accident, the parents got someone to take Maddie's body and let the person use their rent-a-car while they went for a meal.

Like I said earlier, this is just a theory.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is their attitudes and believes that they have done nothing wrong from Day 1 that made me have no sympathy for them.

indeed.

and the sense of entitlement from them the authorities have had to drop everything to sort it out for them.

now, before anyone starts, i know if anyone loses a child the police are duty bound to do everything possible to find it, and hopefully they do.

but why this child?

why so public?

said it before and i will say it again, if it had been a single mother, or a couple on benefits, the questions would be how they could afford to be there, rather than who took the kid.

So are you suggesting that for 'middle class ' parents, who have had their child kidnapped, there should be some kind of means test on money spent in investigation, and publicity?"

did i suggest that?

no, i asked why this child?

why not any of the countless other children that have been kidnapped or gone missing from other families, around the world, as well as in this case.

is it because they are middle class and seen as superior or, more worth it, than others?

you asked the question about means testing, not i

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and, another thing thats never asked, why take one child, when 3 were available?

is the focus on maddie because she is blonde haired and blue eyed?

do we secretly have an arian sense of whats worth looking for and whats not?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My comment still stands, anyone who leaves their children to go and socialise away from the building their children are in are not the same as the sensible parents who don't

If you had paused for breath as suggested and re read you would have seen that at no time have I mentioned anything to with separate buildings

All I gave suggested is that all of us at some stage will have left our children unsupervised while we socialise or simply go about our daily business.

We all 'risk asses' and sometimes we get it wrong, Google Ben Needham or think back to Jamie Bulger or even little April Jones for examples of what seemed to be perfectly normal benign situations to see how the addition of bad people makes bad things happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"and, another thing thats never asked, why take one child, when 3 were available?

is the focus on maddie because she is blonde haired and blue eyed?

do we secretly have an arian sense of whats worth looking for and whats not?"

Only one abductor and only able to take one child and keep it quiet possibly?

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

"It is their attitudes and believes that they have done nothing wrong from Day 1 that made me have no sympathy for them.

indeed.

and the sense of entitlement from them the authorities have had to drop everything to sort it out for them.

now, before anyone starts, i know if anyone loses a child the police are duty bound to do everything possible to find it, and hopefully they do.

but why this child?

why so public?

said it before and i will say it again, if it had been a single mother, or a couple on benefits, the questions would be how they could afford to be there, rather than who took the kid.

So are you suggesting that for 'middle class ' parents, who have had their child kidnapped, there should be some kind of means test on money spent in investigation, and publicity?

did i suggest that?

no, i asked why this child?

why not any of the countless other children that have been kidnapped or gone missing from other families, around the world, as well as in this case.

is it because they are middle class and seen as superior or, more worth it, than others?

you asked the question about means testing, not i"

Whoa..I asked IF you were suggesting a means test, not that you had.

So are you suggesting that in the case of April Jones the case wasn't thoroughly investigated because she wasn'nt seen as 'superior' or 'worth it'?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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My comment still stands, anyone who leaves their children to go and socialise away from the building their children are in are not the same as the sensible parents who don't

If you had paused for breath as suggested and re read you would have seen that at no time have I mentioned anything to with separate buildings

. "

This is the second time you have sounded rude on this thread. Maybe try and post without comments like these otherwise discussions take a turn for the worse when people take exception.

As I said on my previous post, I don't get into discussion with people who are being pedantic and I believe you are being.

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By *ENDAROOSCouple
over a year ago

South West London / Surrey

"I doubt very much there are any parents out there who have not left their kids to sleep somewhere not in their immediate sight whilst they have socialised.

(

You have just found some, we have never left our children alone in a building while we went drinking and eating in another building, be that on holiday or at home.

You never sat in the garden post BBQ with friends whilst your kids were asleep indoors?

You never worked on the car on the drive whilst your kids were asleep indoors?

You never tended the garden whilst the kids were asleep indoors?

You never chatted with a neighbour whilst the kids were asleep indoors?"

You can't compare these with what they did!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is the second time you have sounded rude on this thread. Maybe try and post without comments like these otherwise discussions take a turn for the worse when people take exception.

As I said on my previous post, I don't get into discussion with people who are being pedantic and I believe you are being.

You are a Mod so me being rude to you is not a very sensible course of action, all I think I have done is offer an oposing opinion which has been very much taken out of context.

My stand is that not one of us posting on here will at some time not have left our kids unattended whilst we go about our daily business.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You never sat in the garden post BBQ with friends whilst your kids were asleep indoors?

You never worked on the car on the drive whilst your kids were asleep indoors?

You never tended the garden whilst the kids were asleep indoors?

You never chatted with a neighbour whilst the kids were asleep indoors?

You can't compare these with what they did!

Why?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You never sat in the garden post BBQ with friends whilst your kids were asleep indoors?

You never worked on the car on the drive whilst your kids were asleep indoors?

You never tended the garden whilst the kids were asleep indoors?

You never chatted with a neighbour whilst the kids were asleep indoors?

You can't compare these with what they did!

Why?"

major major difference between being in the grounds of your own home, in your own village, and being at a holiday complex, hundreds of miles from home, where you know nobody.

thats why they arent comparable

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They only do 'soft' inter_iews. People like Kirsty Young saying'how dreadful it must be for you'.

It needs Paxman or Humphries to ask'what the **** did you think you were doing?'"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"and, another thing thats never asked, why take one child, when 3 were available?

is the focus on maddie because she is blonde haired and blue eyed?

do we secretly have an arian sense of whats worth looking for and whats not?

Only one abductor and only able to take one child and keep it quiet possibly?"

so why not one of the smaller ones, easier to conceal, possibly able to teach it a new life a lot easier as it would have fewer memories to try and supress.

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By *ENDAROOSCouple
over a year ago

South West London / Surrey

"You never sat in the garden post BBQ with friends whilst your kids were asleep indoors?

You never worked on the car on the drive whilst your kids were asleep indoors?

You never tended the garden whilst the kids were asleep indoors?

You never chatted with a neighbour whilst the kids were asleep indoors?

You can't compare these with what they did!

Why?"

There is a huge difference between me being in my back/front garden and going out for a meal in a completely seperate location.

That's why....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is their attitudes and believes that they have done nothing wrong from Day 1 that made me have no sympathy for them.

indeed.

and the sense of entitlement from them the authorities have had to drop everything to sort it out for them.

now, before anyone starts, i know if anyone loses a child the police are duty bound to do everything possible to find it, and hopefully they do.

but why this child?

why so public?

said it before and i will say it again, if it had been a single mother, or a couple on benefits, the questions would be how they could afford to be there, rather than who took the kid.

So are you suggesting that for 'middle class ' parents, who have had their child kidnapped, there should be some kind of means test on money spent in investigation, and publicity?

did i suggest that?

no, i asked why this child?

why not any of the countless other children that have been kidnapped or gone missing from other families, around the world, as well as in this case.

is it because they are middle class and seen as superior or, more worth it, than others?

you asked the question about means testing, not i

Whoa..I asked IF you were suggesting a means test, not that you had.

So are you suggesting that in the case of April Jones the case wasn't thoroughly investigated because she wasn'nt seen as 'superior' or 'worth it'? "

didnt exactly have to chase around europe to find the supposed killer of april though, did they.

would they have gone to russia or wherever if thats where the leads went?

maybe, maybe not, who knows.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

20-30 minutes? Considerin the police have narrowed it down to 90 minutes it was liikely nowhere near that often.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You never sat in the garden post BBQ with friends whilst your kids were asleep indoors?

You never worked on the car on the drive whilst your kids were asleep indoors?

You never tended the garden whilst the kids were asleep indoors?

You never chatted with a neighbour whilst the kids were asleep indoors?

You can't compare these with what they did!

Why?

There is a huge difference between me being in my back/front garden and going out for a meal in a completely seperate location.

That's why...."

To you there is, but not neccisarily in the eyes of the bad person

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why are you intent on derailling this thread in to a debate about Stephen Lawrence's family? The cases are poles apart

Might I politely suggest you have another read of the thread and if you are still confused maybe one of the lighter subjects in the lounge would be more to your taste

Could you maybe not answer tge question rather than resort to being condescending?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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My stand is that not one of us posting on here will at some time not have left our kids unattended whilst we go about our daily business.

the word 'unattended' clearly has different meanings for some and not others or equally can be used to make a point..

there is a vast difference between the examples you quoted earlier in the thread and that which occurred in Portugal..

to pretend otherwise is just being picky..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You never sat in the garden post BBQ with friends whilst your kids were asleep indoors?

You never worked on the car on the drive whilst your kids were asleep indoors?

You never tended the garden whilst the kids were asleep indoors?

You never chatted with a neighbour whilst the kids were asleep indoors?

You can't compare these with what they did!

Why?

There is a huge difference between me being in my back/front garden and going out for a meal in a completely seperate location.

That's why....

To you there is, but not neccisarily in the eyes of the bad person

which bad person?

the mcanns?

the chances of anyone abducting a child, from your own home, while you are in the garden, are pretty much slimmer than none.

you really are being pedantic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You never sat in the garden post BBQ with friends whilst your kids were asleep indoors?

You never worked on the car on the drive whilst your kids were asleep indoors?

You never tended the garden whilst the kids were asleep indoors?

You never chatted with a neighbour whilst the kids were asleep indoors?

You can't compare these with what they did!

Why?

major major difference between being in the grounds of your own home, in your own village, and being at a holiday complex, hundreds of miles from home, where you know nobody.

thats why they arent comparable"

You really sure about that?

April Jones outside playing with friends!

Jamie Bulger in a crowded shopping centre!

Should I go on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I total agree with you on this one rule for one and another for over people they should not of left her in first place weather there was a min away make me sick how they done it in first place if any one to blame they are for leaving her in first place just to go for a meal what where they thinking

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They only do 'soft' inter_iews. People like Kirsty Young saying'how dreadful it must be for you'.

It needs Paxman or Humphries to ask'what the **** did you think you were doing?'"

yes your right, I think alot of people feel something just doesnt add up, maybe if they admitted they were at fault then people might have more sympathy for them. I didnt realise the time frame was so long.... they didnt just take their eyes off the ball did they? If they were litterally 2 minutes away like they suggested then why wouldnt they have checked on them more often!? 1 hour 30 mins!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont mean to sound horrible this is real statistics in 3 days of being missing europe they will never find the poor girl people that get taken in europe most of time never get found

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

20-30 minutes? The timeline for her disappearance is 8.30-10.00pm. Which to me means the children weren't checked on for 90 minutes! And the restaurant was closer to 300 yards away.

Plus, Maddies dna was found in the hire car boot, which was rented a day AFTER her disappearance. The McCanns were quite happy to let the foreign police run the investigation, until they themselves came under the spotlight. Then they flew back to britian and wouldn't answer questions put to them! If they had nothing to hide, why not help the police in their enquiries?

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By *ucks In The CityWoman
over a year ago

Manchester

They was 200 yrds away an as someone else said if it was your average person off an estate they'd be the scum of the earth an not fit to be parents make me piss

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

20-30 minutes? The timeline for her disappearance is 8.30-10.00pm. Which to me means the children weren't checked on for 90 minutes! And the restaurant was closer to 300 yards away.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

google the Gaspars statements regarding this case 2 other doctors who were on a holiday with some of these people ..enlightening to say the least , as are the transcripts coming out from the ongoing libel case , ...Dr Amaral is not the bungling detective the media would have us believe ...and now we have the not so squeaky Met involved , the next few weeks will see someone crack from that holiday party ....I truly feel for that little girl and her sibblings.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They was 200 yrds away an as someone else said if it was your average person off an estate they'd be the scum of the earth an not fit to be parents make me piss

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By *ecor atorMan
over a year ago

York

Stirs up all sorts of thoughts with me this one.

Could they see the apartment from the restaurant?

Would the abductors have tried if the parents had been in?

What are the chances of it happening.

Saddest thought though is that, sadly. She's probably dead!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They was 200 yrds away an as someone else said if it was your average person off an estate they'd be the scum of the earth an not fit to be parents make me piss

they were 200 yrds away ' that night ' other nights they were half a mile away .

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By *ucks In The CityWoman
over a year ago

Manchester

"I think slander is an offence, be careful what you say, because it can land you in trouble.

Pffft! You think we on fabswingers are saying anything fucking new here?...

of course not, but here you are putting it in print on a web site for all to see.

I would say you could find what I just said virtually verbatim on hundreds of dites/forums.

I don't usually comment in these threads but this case bothers me."
an everyone seems to forget they was sedated as well top parents

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You never sat in the garden post BBQ with friends whilst your kids were asleep indoors?

You never worked on the car on the drive whilst your kids were asleep indoors?

You never tended the garden whilst the kids were asleep indoors?

You never chatted with a neighbour whilst the kids were asleep indoors?

You can't compare these with what they did!

Why?

major major difference between being in the grounds of your own home, in your own village, and being at a holiday complex, hundreds of miles from home, where you know nobody.

thats why they arent comparable

You really sure about that?

April Jones outside playing with friends!

Jamie Bulger in a crowded shopping centre!

Should I go on

both taken from streets, NOT in their own home, in bed, with the parents i nthe garden.

epic fail

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

20-30 minutes? The timeline for her disappearance is 8.30-10.00pm. Which to me means the children weren't checked on for 90 minutes! And the restaurant was closer to 300 yards away.

Exactly. What you said about Maddie's DNA found in the rent-a-car helps explain my theory I put on here earlier. It could also explain how Kate McCann knows it was a man that took her.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuck that, the mccanns should have been done with neglect amongst other offences, yet they get airtime and loads of bleeding hearts grieving for them, and get to globe trot all over selling their sad song, if it was a low public standing couple they would have been given a harsh treatment and their names thrown to the tabloid savages.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You never sat in the garden post BBQ with friends whilst your kids were asleep indoors?

You never worked on the car on the drive whilst your kids were asleep indoors?

You never tended the garden whilst the kids were asleep indoors?

You never chatted with a neighbour whilst the kids were asleep indoors?

You can't compare these with what they did!

Why?

major major difference between being in the grounds of your own home, in your own village, and being at a holiday complex, hundreds of miles from home, where you know nobody.

thats why they arent comparable

You really sure about that?

April Jones outside playing with friends!

Jamie Bulger in a crowded shopping centre!

Should I go on

both taken from streets, NOT in their own home, in bed, with the parents i nthe garden.

epic fail"

Both taken at a time when their parents had left them unsupervised, the one and only single point I have been making, so sadly it's actually a 'back of the net' thing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You never sat in the garden post BBQ with friends whilst your kids were asleep indoors?

You never worked on the car on the drive whilst your kids were asleep indoors?

You never tended the garden whilst the kids were asleep indoors?

You never chatted with a neighbour whilst the kids were asleep indoors?

You can't compare these with what they did!

Why?

major major difference between being in the grounds of your own home, in your own village, and being at a holiday complex, hundreds of miles from home, where you know nobody.

thats why they arent comparable

You really sure about that?

April Jones outside playing with friends!

Jamie Bulger in a crowded shopping centre!

Should I go on

both taken from streets, NOT in their own home, in bed, with the parents i nthe garden.

epic fail

Both taken at a time when their parents had left them unsupervised, the one and only single point I have been making, so sadly it's actually a 'back of the net' thing

still not a simili though.

now, if the mccanns had left the kids in a play park, whilst fucking off, or taken for los sainsburies while they were shopping for tapas and green lentils, then yes, similar, but they werent.

they were left 'at home' in that case, home being a chalet in a holiday park, so not, still not similar.

your examples of people sat in the garden, or working on the car intimates the children to be left in their own home, and thats where your argument falls around your ankles

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think its clear from my limited research on the matter (reading this thread basically) that both McCann parents are Satanists. They went out that night for Tapas, which eveyone knows is satanist code for drinking blood and left Maddie in the room for the dark lord to take. Soon she will revisit us as the antichrist and the four horsemen shall ride.

Stands to reason don't it. You can see it in their eyes. No smoke without fire. They look proper shifty to me. I know someone who had Tapas once and committed genocide. Bastards all of em, string em up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Think people need to stick to the one case. All other ones likes of April jones it's different situations.

As others say I think it's strange the "kidnapper" chose maddy the eldest and likely biggest of the kids rather than the small easy to hide younger kids.

The scent I think is something can't deny was found in their car and clothing.

All along I've said something about them isn't right. Yes I can understand they are being strong and trying to maintain control and dignity to help search and protect their twins. But they are too calm. She's been missing 6 years in that time has there been even one inter_iew one of them broke down? How many inter_iews have been with parents of missing kids the parents,often mums are distraught crying worried showing their feelings.

Why because it's an open case can't harder journalists inter_iew them?

Might get the truth so police can close case and stop spending on it.

We all want to know truth and of course would be good if maddy is found alive but tbh I doubt will ever be truth revealed.

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By *ENDAROOSCouple
over a year ago

South West London / Surrey

"You never sat in the garden post BBQ with friends whilst your kids were asleep indoors?

You never worked on the car on the drive whilst your kids were asleep indoors?

You never tended the garden whilst the kids were asleep indoors?

You never chatted with a neighbour whilst the kids were asleep indoors?

You can't compare these with what they did!

Why?

There is a huge difference between me being in my back/front garden and going out for a meal in a completely seperate location.

That's why....

To you there is, but not neccisarily in the eyes of the bad person

I still fail to see how you can compare the two?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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My stand is that not one of us posting on here will at some time not have left our kids unattended whilst we go about our daily business.

Going about your daily business is not the same as going down the pub /restaurant and leaving your three small children on their own while you eat and drink.

We all know kids won't be in your eyeline 24 hours of the day and I do think there won't be many people who would say otherwise, but to purposely leave your children alone in this enviroment is neglect.

I can't see SS be amused if all parents buggered off the pub every saturday night while their children slept alone in the house.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My stand is that not one of us posting on here will at some time not have left our kids unattended whilst we go about our daily business.

Going about your daily business is not the same as going down the pub /restaurant and leaving your three small children on their own while you eat and drink.

I can't see SS be amused if all parents buggered off the pub every saturday night while their children slept alone in the house.

jesus, i have a hrad time convincing V that its perfectly ok leaving her 16 and 11 year old home on their own for an hour

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

if the parents had done it they wouldve been found out by now. some kind of evidence would have been left behind and found

feel sorry for the little girl more than anything. the parents made a mistake and they will have to live with it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Police suggest they now have a better understanding of the timescales of when Maddie went missing

Bloody hell ... thought this would have been sorted in the first hour of investigation

Then Kate McCann says in crimewatch tonight " we have done nothing wrong ....it's the man who took her who has done wrong "

I see what your saying Kate ... But really ? You can't see what you did was wrong?

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We really feel for the McCann's and we pray they find little angel maddie,Hope and pray,we have girls the same age but you don't just leave your kids alone do you.xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One thing is certain...Crimewatch will be compulsive _iewing.

I do think that once the newly established timeline of events is revealed and the McCanns inter_iew is aired they will come under even more scrutiny and suspicion. The only victims in this are Maddie and indirectly her siblings

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One thing is certain...Crimewatch will be compulsive _iewing.

i personally dont think so.

there is absolutely no way they would have agreed to anything that would show them in anything but a good light.

even if it were to the benefit of finding their little girl.

i appreciate it is probably their jobs as to how they can hold things together, as they must deal with some heart breaking shit all the time, but its different when its your own flesh and blood.

not once have either of them been brought to tears, in public anyway

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Ive always said the same thing, if they had been a young single mum in a built up inner city area who had nipped next door to the pub and left three under five,s on their own she would of been strung up.

It will be interesting _iewing tonight

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One thing is certain...Crimewatch will be compulsive _iewing.

that ass....

back on topic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One thing is certain...Crimewatch will be compulsive _iewing.

i personally dont think so.

there is absolutely no way they would have agreed to anything that would show them in anything but a good light.

even if it were to the benefit of finding their little girl.

i appreciate it is probably their jobs as to how they can hold things together, as they must deal with some heart breaking shit all the time, but its different when its your own flesh and blood.

not once have either of them been brought to tears, in public anyway"

If Kate does say in the inter_iew that they've done nothing wrong, she will surely alienate so many supporters? Admitting that they shouldn't have left the children alone would have at least shown them to be regretful of their actions. They have never once to my knowledge shown any emotion or remorse, or shed one public tear...that in itself is unnatural!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Exactly. If was British average parents left their kids alone for hour and half along road In unlocked flat so parents could go to pub police and social services would be all over them and likely the 2 kids they still have would d taken away. Frankly I do think for twins sake should have been taken to better home with parents who have common sense to look after and protect them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One thing is certain...Crimewatch will be compulsive _iewing.

that ass....

back on topic"

Focus man! Though I see what you mean...

I'm assuming the worst in this case. Little Maddie is either dead, a street urchin who gets by day by day, a child prostitute or (I hope) taken in by a family who live on a farm who have no idea of what's happening in the world around them and take care of her like their own. Whatever the scenario, she'll be a different person to the child who was taken all those years ago.

One thing I do know is that the McCanns neglected their children. It's the only fact in this case that is crystal clear.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"They only do 'soft' inter_iews. People like Kirsty Young saying'how dreadful it must be for you'.

It needs Paxman or Humphries to ask'what the **** did you think you were doing?'

I was talking to someone about this at do this morning and they said 'get them on Jeremy Kyle. He'll wipe the smugness off their faces'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One thing is certain...Crimewatch will be compulsive _iewing.

that ass....

back on topic

Focus man! Though I see what you mean...

One thing I do know is that the McCanns neglected their children. It's the only fact in this case that is crystal clear."

the only part that can not be disputed, yet no charges brought forward.

interesting huh?

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By *oger ThatMan
over a year ago

essex

I cannot believe peoples lack of sympathy. I've got children and yes ive lost them in a super market, and taken my eyes of them whilst camping etc... any parent that says they haven't are lying.. Leaving them in a hotel room is too far, but fu** me that's some punishment for a mistake.

I hope and prey they get her, I cant see it but ill be celebrating if they do!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

I wonder if the McCann's experience has changed any parents' behaviour.

Somehow I doubt it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I cannot believe peoples lack of sympathy. I've got children and yes ive lost them in a super market, and taken my eyes of them whilst camping etc... any parent that says they haven't are lying.. Leaving them in a hotel room is too far, but fu** me that's some punishment for a mistake.

I hope and prey they get her, I cant see it but ill be celebrating if they do! "

mistakes are mistakes.

its a one off.

you learn from it.

do you really think, if you were going to leave your children alone for any length of time, the first time you try to do it would be to go for a meal with friends?

hardly.

you can summise, from the situation, that this would not have been the first time they have left the children alone.

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By *oger ThatMan
over a year ago

essex

It definitely has mine! But sometimes you think you've done everything, but one seconds lapse and there gone...

Parenting as a team and the use of military tactics is the only way!

"I wonder if the McCann's experience has changed any parents' behaviour.

Somehow I doubt it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hope and prey they get her, I cant see it but ill be celebrating if they do! "

Losing children in a supermarket/switching off on a camp site is different to leaving your children, without adult supervision, for an hour and 30mins while you have dinner with friends.

You lost sight of your children for a few moments and you s**t yourself. They decided to leave theirs on their own while they relaxed and had a meal.

See the difference?

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By *oger ThatMan
over a year ago

essex

Yeah this is a fair point, but still... for people to say they should lose their other children and that they deserve it!! Is just ridiculous.

They clearly pushed it too far, and maybe had done previously and got away with it but we don't know that so shouldn't really assume.

you can summise, from the situation, that this would not have been the first time they have left the children alone."

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By *oger ThatMan
over a year ago

essex

Yeah I see the difference, but they don't deserve to lose there child over it. Thankfully it would seem the majority of people in the world agree with me as the search is pretty big and has a lot of support.

I hope and prey they get her, I cant see it but ill be celebrating if they do!

Losing children in a supermarket/switching off on a camp site is different to leaving your children, without adult supervision, for an hour and 30mins while you have dinner with friends.

You lost sight of your children for a few moments and you s**t yourself. They decided to leave theirs on their own while they relaxed and had a meal.

See the difference?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah this is a fair point, but still... for people to say they should lose their other children and that they deserve it!! Is just ridiculous.

They clearly pushed it too far, and maybe had done previously and got away with it but we don't know that so shouldn't really assume.

you can summise, from the situation, that this would not have been the first time they have left the children alone."

so, you accept the pretence they may well have left their children alone on past occasions?

you also accept that, on at least this occasion, they are guilty of neglect?

yet you still dont think the other children should have been taken off them until a full investigation into their treatment had been carried out by social services?

are you one of those that complains hen a poor child is ignored by the services and ends up dead from neglect?

yes, this would well have been jumping the gun, and approaching guilt until proven innocent, but as there was a proven incident of neglect, then surely thats what social services should be looking for in every situation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah I see the difference, but they don't deserve to lose there child over it. Thankfully it would seem the majority of people in the world agree with me as the search is pretty big and has a lot of support.

I hope and prey they get her, I cant see it but ill be celebrating if they do!

Losing children in a supermarket/switching off on a camp site is different to leaving your children, without adult supervision, for an hour and 30mins while you have dinner with friends.

You lost sight of your children for a few moments and you s**t yourself. They decided to leave theirs on their own while they relaxed and had a meal.

See the difference?"

I think the easiest way for you to understand why people are being harsh is to answer this question:

Would you leave your children for an hour and 30mins while you had a meal with friends in a foreign country?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Jus a thought. There was a big outcry on fab forums about baby P and the social services. Saying he should have been taken from his parents for his own safety! Now, when people say the McCanns children should have have been as well after Maddies disappearence, some of those very same people are saying no, "because it was a mistake"! Where do you draw line then? AFTER they do it again? AFTER another child disappears?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One thing is certain...Crimewatch will be compulsive _iewing.

It will be interesting _iewing to see both Scotland Yards and the BBC's interpretation on this , neither can afford another Whitewash/Corruption scandal...Redwood is inbetween a rock and a hard place .

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Jus a thought. There was a big outcry on fab forums about baby P and the social services. Saying he should have been taken from his parents for his own safety! Now, when people say the McCanns children should have have been as well after Maddies disappearence, some of those very same people are saying no, "because it was a mistake"! Where do you draw line then? AFTER they do it again? AFTER another child disappears? "

I was listening to a report on the radio a few weeks ago about the repeat of the "we should never let this happen again" cases. The ex social worker said that when the parents are articulate and well spoken it is easier to accept their version of events than hearing the same time from someone with poor English language/communication skills.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A lot can happen in 20-30 minutes though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so, as i stated earlier, its a class thing

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

The McCann's went on the offensive from day 1, daring people not to believe or to question their version of events, hiring an expensive PR guy and pulling in lots of 'charitable' donations to fund it all.

They're even part of the Hacked Off campaign though I can't for the life of me see why.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We have NEVER left our kids alone in the hotel room when they are asleep not even at our home. They are our responsibility 24/7 until they are old enough.

That's is out of the question.

What if our little one that is three years old wake up and we are not there?

We have three kids, age 11,9 and 3. We wouldn't even leave them alone for a sec especially abroad at a hotel.

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