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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Austerity measures and the economic downturn in the UK have prompted the British branch of the Red Cross to begin formulating an emergency food aid plan for Britain poorest homes and needy – the first the charity has set up for the country since WWII. Your thoughts please.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm starving

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Austerity measures and the economic downturn in the UK have prompted the British branch of the Red Cross to begin formulating an emergency food aid plan for Britain poorest homes and needy – the first the charity has set up for the country since WWII. Your thoughts please."

No doubt, if true, this will prompt yet another appeal for more money.

There's a compassion fatigue afoot re overseas aid so they'll beg for money for UK citizens.

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By *ayandess1Couple
over a year ago

bridgwater

It won't be long before this country collapses on a never seen before scale.

I think they probably know what they are doing.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

if people are truly that hard p to not be able to afford food then that is a terrible situation to be in and i would gladly offer help to them.

If however they are buying fags and booze and have x-boxes and playstations and 42"plasma tv screens at home and any other trappings of living beyond their means then i would have an issue with helping them out.

This may get me shot by some of the animal lovers on here but if i was so hard up i had to rel on charity hand outs i would give my cats up as well. not just because it would save me money but also because i know thy would get fed and looked after properly if i cant afford to do so.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Maybe just an urban myth but I heard stories of pets being humanely destroyed during WWII cos there wasn't enough food for pets and people.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Maybe just an urban myth but I heard stories of pets being humanely destroyed during WWII cos there wasn't enough food for pets and people."

interesting factoid but this is a different situation in that we have a vast excess of food but not enough money to buy it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This isn't new, there are already food banks across the country which have been operating for quite a while now because people can't afford food.

You are normally only allowed to visit them 2-3 times a year (only as an emergency) because they simply don't have enough food to give to everyone as demand is so high.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Maybe just an urban myth but I heard stories of pets being humanely destroyed during WWII cos there wasn't enough food for pets and people.

interesting factoid but this is a different situation in that we have a vast excess of food but not enough money to buy it."

People have lots of spare cash,have a look in the press.

People are all on £60k benefits,so cant be problem with cash flow surely

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Maybe just an urban myth but I heard stories of pets being humanely destroyed during WWII cos there wasn't enough food for pets and people.

interesting factoid but this is a different situation in that we have a vast excess of food but not enough money to buy it.

People have lots of spare cash,have a look in the press.

People are all on £60k benefits,so cant be problem with cash flow surely "

SOME people have lots of spare cash, SOME dont.

SOME people are responsible with their money, SOME arent

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"if people are truly that hard p to not be able to afford food then that is a terrible situation to be in and i would gladly offer help to them.

If however they are buying fags and booze and have x-boxes and playstations and 42"plasma tv screens at home and any other trappings of living beyond their means then i would have an issue with helping them out.

This may get me shot by some of the animal lovers on here but if i was so hard up i had to rel on charity hand outs i would give my cats up as well. not just because it would save me money but also because i know thy would get fed and looked after properly if i cant afford to do so."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am not keen on powdered egg, but can take as many heinze beans as you have, yummy.

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By *rivate auditionsMan
over a year ago

West Midlands

seen collections outside supermasrkets for quite a few months now so it definitly is not a new initiative at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This makes me wonder of how much a celebrity donates to charity. I have recently heard that 2 "known" celebrities have gone bust and one earns £90k a year and the other one probably earns that a week. Makes me sick knowing that there are people like this. Some closer to home that you may realise and yet. There are people around who earn tens/hundreds of millions. Just by saying "you are crap/good" or kicking a ball around. I admit it can be considered as entertainment, but no entertainment is worth that. I am also sure if all millionaires/billionaires/organisations clubbed together. They could still be well off as well as making sure there's no suffering exists when t comes to poverty,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"if people are truly that hard p to not be able to afford food then that is a terrible situation to be in and i would gladly offer help to them.

If however they are buying fags and booze and have x-boxes and playstations and 42"plasma tv screens at home and any other trappings of living beyond their means then i would have an issue with helping them out.

This may get me shot by some of the animal lovers on here but if i was so hard up i had to rel on charity hand outs i would give my cats up as well. not just because it would save me money but also because i know thy would get fed and looked after properly if i cant afford to do so."

I concur. My neighbours daughter is complaining that she had some of her benefits cut and that she was something in excess of £50 short a week now. I suggested to my neighbour, when she was bleating on about hard done by she was, that she should tell her daughter to stop her 20 a day fag habit, get rid of her 2 Rottweilers and maybe consider not partying up every weekend. Not the sympathetic response my neighbour was expecting from me.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"This makes me wonder of how much a celebrity donates to charity. I have recently heard that 2 "known" celebrities have gone bust and one earns £90k a year and the other one probably earns that a week. Makes me sick knowing that there are people like this. Some closer to home that you may realise and yet. There are people around who earn tens/hundreds of millions. Just by saying "you are crap/good" or kicking a ball around. I admit it can be considered as entertainment, but no entertainment is worth that. I am also sure if all millionaires/billionaires/organisations clubbed together. They could still be well off as well as making sure there's no suffering exists when t comes to poverty, "

so do you give all of your money left after paying bills and rent and buying food t charity then? if yo got a pay rise would the additional money go to charity as well?

why is the plight of the poor the responsibility of the lucky few who get paid a lot for whatever 'talent' they have? they earn their money (whether or not you agree with how they do it) and can spend it how they like. some like to shout about their charitable donations and some dont.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I always make sure my rent and bills are paid and there is food in the cupboards before even even thinking about splashing out....I live within my means.....I think food banks are brilliant and people do play the system however the majority that use them are in need of a little assistance

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This makes me wonder of how much a celebrity donates to charity. I have recently heard that 2 "known" celebrities have gone bust and one earns £90k a year and the other one probably earns that a week. Makes me sick knowing that there are people like this. Some closer to home that you may realise and yet. There are people around who earn tens/hundreds of millions. Just by saying "you are crap/good" or kicking a ball around. I admit it can be considered as entertainment, but no entertainment is worth that. I am also sure if all millionaires/billionaires/organisations clubbed together. They could still be well off as well as making sure there's no suffering exists when t comes to poverty,

so do you give all of your money left after paying bills and rent and buying food t charity then? if yo got a pay rise would the additional money go to charity as well?

why is the plight of the poor the responsibility of the lucky few who get paid a lot for whatever 'talent' they have? they earn their money (whether or not you agree with how they do it) and can spend it how they like. some like to shout about their charitable donations and some dont.

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When I finish paying for those things I don't have money to splash out. Never mind give away. Although I always put money in a charity box if I am suddenly "well off" one day.

Since when is saying someone rubbish at anything a talent? Okay I agree with you to an extent about pay rises. But why should footballers/comedians/presenters get paid more than doctors, firefighters and mechanics. To me that isn't right. Also sportsmen are getting richer and richer whilst the NHS is suffering a lot. So why not just give them a good wage and stick with that until they retire and if they feel like giving away silly amounts of money because that sportsmanship value has brought them a lot of money. Donate all of the extra you have paid the player to the NHS.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

they get that money because that is the perceived pay grade for what they do. we dont live in a country hat dictates an upper earning level and i am grateful that we dont because when i eventually make it big i want to earn as much as i can.

you can live on what you earn so am i to assume that if your boss offered you a £10k pay rise (what an awesome pay rise that would be!!) you would say no....give it to the NHS please?

of course you wouldn't. are you a frustrated footballer who never went pro?

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

disgusting .. however .. i bought four chicken leg quarters for about two pound fifty . so thats a cheap meal .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"they get that money because that is the perceived pay grade for what they do. we dont live in a country hat dictates an upper earning level and i am grateful that we dont because when i eventually make it big i want to earn as much as i can.

you can live on what you earn so am i to assume that if your boss offered you a £10k pay rise (what an awesome pay rise that would be!!) you would say no....give it to the NHS please?

of course you wouldn't. are you a frustrated footballer who never went pro?"

There are footballers who earn £30k a week and teachers struggle to get that a year . If I had a 10k pay rise. In all honesty though. If I was on 30k a year and could live easily enough and not worry what my money goes on. like bills, holidays, etc and my boss said "i would like to give you 1k a year pay rise". I would happily tell him to donate that to charity until my life changes where I may need the extra money. That would be different as one I can barely afford to live as it is, but my point was you get footballers who earn anything from 250k a week to even 700k a week and whilst schools/hospitals closing down, people going on strike. You saying that's fine as the sports men have "talent". Only talent that saves people's lives or a better/easier place to live should be on that sort of money.

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By *uietlykinkymeWoman
over a year ago

kinky land

I already skip meals each week as my budget dictates. If gas & electricity go up again then food banks will grow quicker & bigger than tescos

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

does the government pay the footballers pay? no, they are employed privately by a company who believe they are worth the vast amounts they are paid. you can't hold that against them can you?

you are comparing things that aren't comparable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I already skip meals each week as my budget dictates. "

That sucks balls.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Austerity measures and the economic downturn in the UK have prompted the British branch of the Red Cross to begin formulating an emergency food aid plan for Britain poorest homes and needy – the first the charity has set up for the country since WWII. Your thoughts please."

Its sad it really is. But then I see people in poor areas at the takeaway 3/4nights a week so I scratch my head and wonder.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"does the government pay the footballers pay? no, they are employed privately by a company who believe they are worth the vast amounts they are paid. you can't hold that against them can you?

you are comparing things that aren't comparable."

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"Austerity measures and the economic downturn in the UK have prompted the British branch of the Red Cross to begin formulating an emergency food aid plan for Britain poorest homes and needy – the first the charity has set up for the country since WWII. Your thoughts please.

Its sad it really is. But then I see people in poor areas at the takeaway 3/4nights a week so I scratch my head and wonder. "

And better cars who believe that paying the hp is more important then paying off their rent arrears and then wonder why they became homeless

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By *rs Robinson1Woman
over a year ago

Chapel Row

I thought this thread was about feeders lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"if people are truly that hard p to not be able to afford food then that is a terrible situation to be in and i would gladly offer help to them.

If however they are buying fags and booze and have x-boxes and playstations and 42"plasma tv screens at home and any other trappings of living beyond their means then i would have an issue with helping them out.

This may get me shot by some of the animal lovers on here but if i was so hard up i had to rel on charity hand outs i would give my cats up as well. not just because it would save me money but also because i know thy would get fed and looked after properly if i cant afford to do so."

Give the cat up?? Why? Keep it for emergencies. Two birds, one stone and all that! Mind add taragon though!

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I think the Red Cross pretty much knows what its doing and are highly unlikely to use their resources where it isn't needed.

Vouchers for the food bank aren't just handed out to anyone who asks for them. An example is a teenager turns up at school or college hungry because of poverty, feckless parents or being left by the "care" system to fend for themselves then that school or college can give them food bank vouchers so that these kids branded on a previous thread as having no work ethic can carry in getting an education and hopefully a job.

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By *lentyoffun40Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire

I took one of the young people I work with to a food bank last week

I couldn't believe how many people were there

For those people with their head in the clouds who think that it not happening

Believe me it is !

Families I work with are in extreme difficulties . Minimum wages and gas / electric / petrol prices increases

Are crippling the must vulnerable in our society

This country is going down hill rapidly

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"I took one of the young people I work with to a food bank last week

I couldn't believe how many people were there

For those people with their head in the clouds who think that it not happening

Believe me it is !

Families I work with are in extreme difficulties . Minimum wages and gas / electric / petrol prices increases

Are crippling the must vulnerable in our society

This country is going down hill rapidly

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I wish people would open their eyes too and stop believing the hog wash they're fed by government. There are dark times ahead this winter when people of all ages will be cold and hungry in 21st century Britain.

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By *lentyoffun40Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire


"I took one of the young people I work with to a food bank last week

I couldn't believe how many people were there

For those people with their head in the clouds who think that it not happening

Believe me it is !

Families I work with are in extreme difficulties . Minimum wages and gas / electric / petrol prices increases

Are crippling the must vulnerable in our society

This country is going down hill rapidly

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I wish people would open their eyes too and stop believing the hog wash they're fed by government. There are dark times ahead this winter when people of all ages will be cold and hungry in 21st century Britain."

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"does the government pay the footballers pay? no, they are employed privately by a company who believe they are worth the vast amounts they are paid. you can't hold that against them can you?

you are comparing things that aren't comparable."

I suspect most of them are self-employed and get paid in a tax haven. Their agents (aka pimps) too.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"does the government pay the footballers pay? no, they are employed privately by a company who believe they are worth the vast amounts they are paid. you can't hold that against them can you?

you are comparing things that aren't comparable.

I suspect most of them are self-employed and get paid in a tax haven. Their agents (aka pimps) too."

probably and with the exception of the tax issue (although i suspect if we all knew how to take advantage of loopholes etc we would do so) i can't see how the amount they are paid should come into this arguement.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"does the government pay the footballers pay? no, they are employed privately by a company who believe they are worth the vast amounts they are paid. you can't hold that against them can you?

you are comparing things that aren't comparable.

I suspect most of them are self-employed and get paid in a tax haven. Their agents (aka pimps) too.

probably and with the exception of the tax issue (although i suspect if we all knew how to take advantage of loopholes etc we would do so) i can't see how the amount they are paid should come into this arguement."

To an extent I have a bit of a soft spot for anyone who manages to convince someone else to pay them £stupid.

The fact the employers are actually queuing up (and fighting each other) for the privilege of doing so beggars belief.

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By *lentyoffun40Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire


"does the government pay the footballers pay? no, they are employed privately by a company who believe they are worth the vast amounts they are paid. you can't hold that against them can you?

you are comparing things that aren't comparable.

I suspect most of them are self-employed and get paid in a tax haven. Their agents (aka pimps) too.

probably and with the exception of the tax issue (although i suspect if we all knew how to take advantage of loopholes etc we would do so) i can't see how the amount they are paid should come into this arguement."

It's quite amazing how people soon drift away from the core problem

This has fuck all to do with footballers and how much they earn

At the end of the day we all set out to get employment that we like and to earn as much as we can . End of.

The problem here is the governments and bankers and the like have fucked this country over royally

Immigration is way out if control and is costing a fortune

But we are shit scared of addressing the issues properly

The cost is clear to see , the poorest and most vulnerable in our society are suffering as the government cuts cuts cuts . Prices are soaring and wages aren't .

It's a disgrace and it wil get worse

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

i know....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's funny how quickly a government can cut through the red tape when they really want something done, and yet when they stand there saying, 'oh yes, it's terrible, we really do sympathise with these people' absolutely fuck all happens.

But then you don't need to tell me why nothing happens. Too proud to admit that their choice of how to administer austerity measures is the wrong one.

Take peoples' benefits away and they starve and end up homeless, yet that money will always end up back in circulation to feed those people again and again, so where was the problem in paying people to survive rather than end up so desperate that desperate measures had to be taken?

Just stop the corporate tax cuts for a year and see what difference that makes to the economy. Just a suggestion.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"It's funny how quickly a government can cut through the red tape when they really want something done, and yet when they stand there saying, 'oh yes, it's terrible, we really do sympathise with these people' absolutely fuck all happens.

But then you don't need to tell me why nothing happens. Too proud to admit that their choice of how to administer austerity measures is the wrong one.

Take peoples' benefits away and they starve and end up homeless, yet that money will always end up back in circulation to feed those people again and again, so where was the problem in paying people to survive rather than end up so desperate that desperate measures had to be taken?

Just stop the corporate tax cuts for a year and see what difference that makes to the economy. Just a suggestion."

the money to feed them is coming from private donations now, food banks and the Red Cross. This is "The Big Society" that DC is so keen on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's funny how quickly a government can cut through the red tape when they really want something done, and yet when they stand there saying, 'oh yes, it's terrible, we really do sympathise with these people' absolutely fuck all happens.

But then you don't need to tell me why nothing happens. Too proud to admit that their choice of how to administer austerity measures is the wrong one.

Take peoples' benefits away and they starve and end up homeless, yet that money will always end up back in circulation to feed those people again and again, so where was the problem in paying people to survive rather than end up so desperate that desperate measures had to be taken?

Just stop the corporate tax cuts for a year and see what difference that makes to the economy. Just a suggestion.

the money to feed them is coming from private donations now, food banks and the Red Cross. This is "The Big Society" that DC is so keen on. "

This is annoying too as if you look how "poor" retailers are paid and how much of their money ends up back into the business and top that off with the amount of profits they make after everything has been paid for such as tax/wages, etc. Its just awful.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

What about an increase in VAT for 'luxury' goods?

Stuff like 40 odd inch tellies and American style fridges.

Maybe just on anything not made in Britain. We might as well start a trade war while the world economy is in the doldrums.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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the money to feed them is coming from private donations now, food banks and the Red Cross. This is "The Big Society" that DC is so keen on. "

Sucks doesn't it. The Big Society he was on about was meant to stop asking for help and take responsibility for itself (sounded like a great idea to figure out new taxes). Well done gobshite, you got your wish (Cameron, not you)

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"

the money to feed them is coming from private donations now, food banks and the Red Cross. This is "The Big Society" that DC is so keen on.

Sucks doesn't it. The Big Society he was on about was meant to stop asking for help and take responsibility for itself (sounded like a great idea to figure out new taxes). Well done gobshite, you got your wish (Cameron, not you)

"

lol, well it would be the first time any one had called me that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

the money to feed them is coming from private donations now, food banks and the Red Cross. This is "The Big Society" that DC is so keen on.

Sucks doesn't it. The Big Society he was on about was meant to stop asking for help and take responsibility for itself (sounded like a great idea to figure out new taxes). Well done gobshite, you got your wish (Cameron, not you)

lol, well it would be the first time any one had called me that "

You do tend to laugh rather than be offended when someone calls you a gobshite lol

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By *lentyoffun40Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire

All MP's should have to live for 6 months in the constituency they so called ? represent

On the minimum wage and amongst "their" community

Lets see then how they cope And what happens

The trouble is 99% of MP's are so far removed from reality it's untrue

Lets see them send their children to a primary school that has 12 different nationalities

Lets see them live on a pay as you go electric / gas meter .

Lets see them earn 200 quid a week and after paying their bills how they cope , not just financially but mentally .

Lets see them want to get up in a morning to do a 12 hour shift of graft then go home to a cold flat or house

Lets see how they feel walking through their "home town" centre in the afternoon and seeing scores of immigrants sat around in cafes chatting and laughing and then watch them as they pick pocket

Our country is becoming a joke and MP's have no idea how many people live

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"All MP's should have to live for 6 months in the constituency they so called ? represent

On the minimum wage and amongst "their" community

Lets see then how they cope And what happens

The trouble is 99% of MP's are so far removed from reality it's untrue

Lets see them send their children to a primary school that has 12 different nationalities

Lets see them live on a pay as you go electric / gas meter .

Lets see them earn 200 quid a week and after paying their bills how they cope , not just financially but mentally .

Lets see them want to get up in a morning to do a 12 hour shift of graft then go home to a cold flat or house

Lets see how they feel walking through their "home town" centre in the afternoon and seeing scores of immigrants sat around in cafes chatting and laughing and then watch them as they pick pocket

Our country is becoming a joke and MP's have no idea how many people live "

Could not of worded it better myself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"if people are truly that hard p to not be able to afford food then that is a terrible situation to be in and i would gladly offer help to them.

If however they are buying fags and booze and have x-boxes and playstations and 42"plasma tv screens at home and any other trappings of living beyond their means then i would have an issue with helping them out.

This may get me shot by some of the animal lovers on here but if i was so hard up i had to rel on charity hand outs i would give my cats up as well. not just because it would save me money but also because i know thy would get fed and looked after properly if i cant afford to do so."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

On the contrary, MP's know all too well how we live, they just can't admit it because their half-arsed plans leave us this way and admitting that would be taking responsibility which would stop them getting paid the absurd rates they demand!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"if people are truly that hard p to not be able to afford food then that is a terrible situation to be in and i would gladly offer help to them.

If however they are buying fags and booze and have x-boxes and playstations and 42"plasma tv screens at home and any other trappings of living beyond their means then i would have an issue with helping them out.

This may get me shot by some of the animal lovers on here but if i was so hard up i had to rel on charity hand outs i would give my cats up as well. not just because it would save me money but also because i know thy would get fed and looked after properly if i cant afford to do so.

"

Get where you're going to but fags and booze and anything that costs money is just revenue once that money has changed hands for goods and services.

Fags are mostly tax anyway, so even without a job I'd pay more tax than a full time minimum wage non smoking employee.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"if people are truly that hard p to not be able to afford food then that is a terrible situation to be in and i would gladly offer help to them.

If however they are buying fags and booze and have x-boxes and playstations and 42"plasma tv screens at home and any other trappings of living beyond their means then i would have an issue with helping them out.

This may get me shot by some of the animal lovers on here but if i was so hard up i had to rel on charity hand outs i would give my cats up as well. not just because it would save me money but also because i know thy would get fed and looked after properly if i cant afford to do so.

Get where you're going to but fags and booze and anything that costs money is just revenue once that money has changed hands for goods and services.

Fags are mostly tax anyway, so even without a job I'd pay more tax than a full time minimum wage non smoking employee."

think you have missed the point. they are a luxury item. if i smoked and was that hard up that i couldnt feed myself the first thing that would go would be luxury items and excess gadgets etc

the tax argument makes no sense in relation to the topic of the thread really.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Come along and live in Bolton.

I have an official letter from the Council,that states spending more than £45-£50 a week on food and household expenses is the correct amount for a couple on benefits.

Works out that any meal costing more than £1 per head, is a frivolous expense,and living beyond ones means.

Then my GP wonders why I feel depressed and tired of living.

Thanked him for the offer of a food bank visit,but let me die with some dignity still intact.

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By *lentyoffun40Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire


"if people are truly that hard p to not be able to afford food then that is a terrible situation to be in and i would gladly offer help to them.

If however they are buying fags and booze and have x-boxes and playstations and 42"plasma tv screens at home and any other trappings of living beyond their means then i would have an issue with helping them out.

This may get me shot by some of the animal lovers on here but if i was so hard up i had to rel on charity hand outs i would give my cats up as well. not just because it would save me money but also because i know thy would get fed and looked after properly if i cant afford to do so.

Get where you're going to but fags and booze and anything that costs money is just revenue once that money has changed hands for goods and services.

Fags are mostly tax anyway, so even without a job I'd pay more tax than a full time minimum wage non smoking employee.

think you have missed the point. they are a luxury item. if i smoked and was that hard up that i couldnt feed myself the first thing that would go would be luxury items and excess gadgets etc

the tax argument makes no sense in relation to the topic of the thread really."

As shit as smoking is

Lets be realistic those people who smoke do so because they enjoy it and more so because they are addicted

Just like MP's having heads in the cloud

People who expect others to quit smoking are being unrealistic

And the truth is most people in work with or know that are struggling to make ends meet have either cut down or smoke roll ups

Lets stop blaming people and blame the shit governments we have particularly Tory governments who have no interest in working class folk or how they live

Unless your middle or upper class they don't give a shit

And those upper middle class don't give a shit either

Ill say it again there will be worse to come in this country

More cuts until 2015 and if people think that will e the end of it ,,,, dream on

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

yes, i get it, bad government, grrrrr

but there isnt much we can do about that right now. we have to ride it out till the next election and the next shit government to come in.

but these people are living in the here and now, all the blustering now wont change that will it? all they can do is manage the little income they have effectively.

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By *lentyoffun40Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire


"yes, i get it, bad government, grrrrr

but there isnt much we can do about that right now. we have to ride it out till the next election and the next shit government to come in.

but these people are living in the here and now, all the blustering now wont change that will it? all they can do is manage the little income they have effectively."

Hence the original post ! Grrrrrr

Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"yes, i get it, bad government, grrrrr

but there isnt much we can do about that right now. we have to ride it out till the next election and the next shit government to come in."

I seriously doubt its actually possible as there's always a minority and I doubt any method would work, but what would happen if no one in the country voted for anyone. What happens then? Don't think that's happened before. Although I am waiting for some smartarse to correct me.

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