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By *ichaelangela OP   Couple
over a year ago

notts

All this in the news about curfews etc for new drivers, there has always been new drivers but all the deaths/accidents seem to have increased greatly in the last few years.

does anyone think alot of this could be due to the onset of xbox/playstation type driving games?

what i mean is, in the games you are encouraged to go as fast as you can and if you crash your immediately put back on the road/track etc with no injuries. so i wonder if this style of driving in the games has translated into the driving style of the boy racer type of younger driver??

thoughts please

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"does anyone think alot of this could be due to the onset of xbox/playstation type driving games?"

No.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

sadly, young fools showing off mostly.

but maybe there is a link

all in all, very sad loss of young life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's mostly down to hormones I'm afraid...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cobra 430cc. Titanium.

Whacks it a fair distance, if not always on the short stuff. But when it does.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All new drivers should be shot!

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By *ichaelangela OP   Couple
over a year ago

notts


"All new drivers should be shot! "

but that way ... there would be no not new drivers lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"All new drivers should be short! "

Well, if they cant see over the controls, maybe thats what explains the number of accidents.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"All new drivers should be shot!

but that way ... there would be no not new drivers lol"

Good idea.

But can we start at both ends of the scale?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no, because instructors teach these drivers how to drive, so they know the basics, its how they add to them, and it has nothing to do with driving games, and everything to do with driving being the second most important thing lots of people seem to do in a car.

after

messing with the radio

chatting to mates

texting

smoking

drinking

eating

and any other amount of things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think that there's a high chance that the subconscious brain will learn certain driving skills and reactions from continuous game play, but its certainly not the only factor!!

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By *noops123Man
over a year ago

yeo

Talking to a chap about this the other day and his answer was .....

Well thing is even the first cars they have theses days are capable of over 100 mph !!!!

Not like driving a mk1 ford escort .......

He has a point !!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't think it's due to playing games. Lack of driving experience and poor judgement when driving perhaps.

All bad drivers should be shot not just the young ones lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"All this in the news about curfews etc for new drivers, there has always been new drivers but all the deaths/accidents seem to have increased greatly in the last few years.

does anyone think alot of this could be due to the onset of xbox/playstation type driving games?

what i mean is, in the games you are encouraged to go as fast as you can and if you crash your immediately put back on the road/track etc with no injuries. so i wonder if this style of driving in the games has translated into the driving style of the boy racer type of younger driver??

thoughts please"

erm... no!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

maybe if they put as many restrictions on new/young drivers as they do to bikers that are starting out it MAY help? I don't think that driving games play too much of a part IMHO?

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By *wingerdelightCouple
over a year ago

eastliegh

I think its lack of training. How you can drive on a motorway without ever beeing taught how amazes me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm all for increased restrictions on young drivers - even as far as raising the minimum age into the mid twenties...

but there's no way that can work with the current public transport infrastructure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think its lack of training. How you can drive on a motorway without ever beeing taught how amazes me"

We all managed it though...

...albeit shitting bricks the first time. 70 seemed so quick back then

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By *wingerdelightCouple
over a year ago

eastliegh


"I think its lack of training. How you can drive on a motorway without ever beeing taught how amazes me

We all managed it though...

...albeit shitting bricks the first time. 70 seemed so quick back then "
a lot less traffic back then tho

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'll have a guess that it's not motorways that are the main problem though. Constantly accidents in the country lanes around here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"less traffic back then tho"

Mostly this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To be honest, I thinl its the biggest load of bollocks ever thought up. To start with my apprentice wouldnt be able to get to work, as he lives miles away with no public transport. My daughter who wouldnt be able to do her job, that involves driving, and in how would young drivers get about in winter, when a normal working hours would meen driving to and from work in the dark

Also the comment about mk1 escorts. Compared to its younger brother the Focus. What would you sooner risc your life in. Escorts as standard were little more than a tin can on wheels.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's only quite recently that people have all had cars - especially teenagers.

Trouble is its become an expectation that everyone has one and if you don't now you're fucked.

Shouldn't be that hard to get back from the situation though and lets face it one way or another the will have to be less traffic on the street at some point. Either oil will run out or space will.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"less traffic back then tho

Mostly this."

How does that account for the disproportion of young people in accidents?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a society we have evolved to believe that a car is an essential requirement. how people can be excused bans because of the potential inconvenience is beyond me.

Young drivers have always been statistically more likely to be involved in accidents. Now there are far more of them. And they are a generation that have grown up with the internet at their fingers.

I'm also not entirely convinced sat-navs are exactly an aid to concentration.

I think there is no one answer but a number of steps that could help. Make the test tougher with a compulsory minimum number of lessons. Limit engine size. Restrict passengers. 6 points in your first 2 years driving equates to an automatic 2 year ban. Drink driving in your first 2 years equates to an automatic 5 year ban.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How does that account for the disproportion of young people in accidents?"

I really don't see what you don't understand.

More young drivers (known to be more likely to be in an accident) along with more drivers in general (I have no idea on the rate that both of these categories have grown)extrapolated to reflect the fact that the number of cars/drivers has dramatically increased would in my eyes indicate that there will be far more accidents will occur in this demographic?

Obviously there are other factors at play, but I don't think you were enquiring about them specifically.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That explains an increase in the overall number (which I think is not the case anyway).

It doesn't explain why young drivers are disproportionately involved in more accidents than everybody else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That explains an increase in the overall number (which I think is not the case anyway).

It doesn't explain why young drivers are disproportionately involved in more accidents than everybody else."

because, unless lessons are had year round, over a 5 year spell, not ALL weather situations can be driven in.

not to mention the fact there are situations no amount of sitting with an instructor can get you equipped for.

i am now 36 years old, and drive the best part of 100k a year, but can bet you a quid in the next week i will come up against something i havent before.

driving is a learning curve, from the time you start your lessons, to the time you hang up your keys.

the greener you are, the more likely you are to have an accident.

it really is that simple

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"does anyone think alot of this could be due to the onset of xbox/playstation type driving games?

No."

This.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think a lot of it comes down to a lot of instructors teaching people to pass the test, not how to drive which is totally different

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By *riendly foeWoman
over a year ago

In a crisp poke on the A814

Its for NEW drivers....

Not all new drivers are young

New drivers lack the experience to avoid accidents, doesnt mean they caused it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think inexperience is a part of it - but speed and driving like a twat are probably bigger factors. Plenty of old people do those too but I'll guess disproportionately more younger ones do - plus add in the distraction/show off factor of their mates jammed in to the car.

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By *riendly foeWoman
over a year ago

In a crisp poke on the A814

What is the curfew??

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By *loppy chopperMan
over a year ago

birmingham

I agree its alot to do with phones

I drive a truck when you look down into car there is loads of people with there phone on there laps they look down and its to late accident

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By *ichaelangela OP   Couple
over a year ago

notts


"What is the curfew??"

dont know yet, but 10.00pm is being bandied about... fail to see how this will make a difference tbh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I agree its alot to do with phones

I drive a truck when you look down into car there is loads of people with there phone on there laps they look down and its to late accident"

Definitely

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By *riendly foeWoman
over a year ago

In a crisp poke on the A814


"What is the curfew??

dont know yet, but 10.00pm is being bandied about... fail to see how this will make a difference tbh"

If it is this, then its aimed at "racers"??....Quiet open roads?

Bit unfair to curfew all new drivers if that is the reasoning behind it....

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By *rnycpl2705Couple
over a year ago

Killin

The report I heard was they are thinking of banning young drivers from having people under a certain age in their car, for example a new driver aged 17 won't be allowed to have his 17 year old mates in the car without supervision by an older, more experienced driver. There are pro's and cons to this, less chance of "showing off" to their mates but then 4 youngsters who car share for work, school or college etc won't be able to do that.

In my opinion new drivers should be restricted to a car with less power for a year after passing the test ( a 1.2 corsa for example) then until they have 3 years experience they should be limited to driving nothing bigger than a 1.4.

As my dad used to say " you don't learn how to drive until you pass your test!!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What is the curfew??

dont know yet, but 10.00pm is being bandied about... fail to see how this will make a difference tbh

If it is this, then its aimed at "racers"??....Quiet open roads?

Bit unfair to curfew all new drivers if that is the reasoning behind it...."

especially when they might need a car for work, shift work etc ...not all young people live in areas with good public transport networks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

New drivers should not be allowed on motorways until they have passed their test and had at least a years further experience plus some lessons on motorway driving. For thie safety and for the safety of other drivers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The report I heard was they are thinking of banning young drivers from having people under a certain age in their car, for example a new driver aged 17 won't be allowed to have his 17 year old mates in the car without supervision by an older, more experienced driver. There are pro's and cons to this, less chance of "showing off" to their mates but then 4 youngsters who car share for work, school or college etc won't be able to do that.

In my opinion new drivers should be restricted to a car with less power for a year after passing the test ( a 1.2 corsa for example) then until they have 3 years experience they should be limited to driving nothing bigger than a 1.4.

As my dad used to say " you don't learn how to drive until you pass your test!!""

all cars can be a deadly weapon in the hands of an inexperienced driver, engine size doesn't make a driver any safer,

You can run into a pedestrian or cause an accident on a 50cc moped,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The old can be just as bad.

a few years back some old man almost hit my car that was parked up. He got and had a go at me. I ignored him to start with that only made him mader. When he said he call the cops i piont out he was drving the wrong way down a one way street. That shut him up.

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By *rnycpl2705Couple
over a year ago

Killin


"The report I heard was they are thinking of banning young drivers from having people under a certain age in their car, for example a new driver aged 17 won't be allowed to have his 17 year old mates in the car without supervision by an older, more experienced driver. There are pro's and cons to this, less chance of "showing off" to their mates but then 4 youngsters who car share for work, school or college etc won't be able to do that.

In my opinion new drivers should be restricted to a car with less power for a year after passing the test ( a 1.2 corsa for example) then until they have 3 years experience they should be limited to driving nothing bigger than a 1.4.

As my dad used to say " you don't learn how to drive until you pass your test!!"

all cars can be a deadly weapon in the hands of an inexperienced driver, engine size doesn't make a driver any safer,

You can run into a pedestrian or cause an accident on a 50cc moped,"

I agree but surely a new driver jumping into a more powerful car increases the risk of accidents

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"no, because instructors teach these drivers how to drive, so they know the basics, its how they add to them, and it has nothing to do with driving games, and everything to do with driving being the second most important thing lots of people seem to do in a car.

after

messing with the radio

chatting to mates

texting

smoking

drinking

eating

and any other amount of things."

I did a health and safety course and our teacher told us that messing about with the radio was the biggest cause of deaths on the roads

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The old can be just as bad.

a few years back some old man almost hit my car that was parked up. He got and had a go at me. I ignored him to start with that only made him mader. When he said he call the cops i piont out he was drving the wrong way down a one way street. That shut him up. "
agree with this regarding old drivers........ afraid to say my father caused an accident a few yrs ago, three ppl including him ended up in a & e...... took him a long time emotionally to get over what could have happened...... i told him if he didnt stop driving i would report him to dvla, harsh some may say but i knew he wasn't capable of driving any , thank goodness he agreed and has now stopped driving. myself and my sisters now drive parents around which i am more than happy to do !!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is all about responsible driving.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The report I heard was they are thinking of banning young drivers from having people under a certain age in their car, for example a new driver aged 17 won't be allowed to have his 17 year old mates in the car without supervision by an older, more experienced driver. There are pro's and cons to this, less chance of "showing off" to their mates but then 4 youngsters who car share for work, school or college etc won't be able to do that.

In my opinion new drivers should be restricted to a car with less power for a year after passing the test ( a 1.2 corsa for example) then until they have 3 years experience they should be limited to driving nothing bigger than a 1.4.

As my dad used to say " you don't learn how to drive until you pass your test!!"

all cars can be a deadly weapon in the hands of an inexperienced driver, engine size doesn't make a driver any safer,

You can run into a pedestrian or cause an accident on a 50cc moped,

I agree but surely a new driver jumping into a more powerful car increases the risk of accidents "

not really, its attitude of the person in the car that causes accidents, not the size of the engine ....its down to education.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"New drivers should not be allowed on motorways until they have passed their test and had at least a years further experience plus some lessons on motorway driving. For thie safety and for the safety of other drivers."

There is the Pass Plus for motorway driving as my daughter took it after passing her test

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The old can be just as bad.

a few years back some old man almost hit my car that was parked up. He got and had a go at me. I ignored him to start with that only made him mader. When he said he call the cops i piont out he was drving the wrong way down a one way street. That shut him up. agree with this regarding old drivers........ afraid to say my father caused an accident a few yrs ago, three ppl including him ended up in a & e...... took him a long time emotionally to get over what could have happened...... i told him if he didnt stop driving i would report him to dvla, harsh some may say but i knew he wasn't capable of driving any , thank goodness he agreed and has now stopped driving. myself and my sisters now drive parents around which i am more than happy to do !!!! "

You cannot actually report anyone to the dvla or the police for that matter, for their poor driving as I have tried to and got nowhere. The only way is for a driver to decide they are no longer safe to drive or for them to cause an accident

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The old can be just as bad.

a few years back some old man almost hit my car that was parked up. He got and had a go at me. I ignored him to start with that only made him mader. When he said he call the cops i piont out he was drving the wrong way down a one way street. That shut him up. agree with this regarding old drivers........ afraid to say my father caused an accident a few yrs ago, three ppl including him ended up in a & e...... took him a long time emotionally to get over what could have happened...... i told him if he didnt stop driving i would report him to dvla, harsh some may say but i knew he wasn't capable of driving any , thank goodness he agreed and has now stopped driving. myself and my sisters now drive parents around which i am more than happy to do !!!!

You cannot actually report anyone to the dvla or the police for that matter, for their poor driving as I have tried to and got nowhere. The only way is for a driver to decide they are no longer safe to drive or for them to cause an accident "

the police would need to see the dangerous driving to be able to do anything about it, they cant rely on 2nd hand info

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge


"

As my dad used to say " you don't learn how to drive until you pass your test!!""
and my instrutor told me " your learning everytime you drive a vehicle and if you arent its time to hang up your keys "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I agree its alot to do with phones

I drive a truck when you look down into car there is loads of people with there phone on there laps they look down and its to late accident"

My son once saw a young girl with her mobile phone in one hand and an ice cream in the other, steering with her knee

Also age doesn't make a difference as I saw a woman about my age, holding her phone in her left hand and texting with a nail from her right hand and nothing steering the car even though it was moving forward towards a very busy roundabout

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The old can be just as bad.

a few years back some old man almost hit my car that was parked up. He got and had a go at me. I ignored him to start with that only made him mader. When he said he call the cops i piont out he was drving the wrong way down a one way street. That shut him up. agree with this regarding old drivers........ afraid to say my father caused an accident a few yrs ago, three ppl including him ended up in a & e...... took him a long time emotionally to get over what could have happened...... i told him if he didnt stop driving i would report him to dvla, harsh some may say but i knew he wasn't capable of driving any , thank goodness he agreed and has now stopped driving. myself and my sisters now drive parents around which i am more than happy to do !!!!

You cannot actually report anyone to the dvla or the police for that matter, for their poor driving as I have tried to and got nowhere. The only way is for a driver to decide they are no longer safe to drive or for them to cause an accident

the police would need to see the dangerous driving to be able to do anything about it, they cant rely on 2nd hand info"

Yep that is similar to what they said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its for NEW drivers....

Not all new drivers are young

New drivers lack the experience to avoid accidents, doesnt mean they caused it! "

Quite as I was 36 when I passed my test

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"All this in the news about curfews etc for new drivers, there has always been new drivers but all the deaths/accidents seem to have increased greatly in the last few years.

does anyone think alot of this could be due to the onset of xbox/playstation type driving games?

what i mean is, in the games you are encouraged to go as fast as you can and if you crash your immediately put back on the road/track etc with no injuries. so i wonder if this style of driving in the games has translated into the driving style of the boy racer type of younger driver??

thoughts please"

id say no ppl play cod and dont go shootin ppl in real life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The old can be just as bad.

a few years back some old man almost hit my car that was parked up. He got and had a go at me. I ignored him to start with that only made him mader. When he said he call the cops i piont out he was drving the wrong way down a one way street. That shut him up. agree with this regarding old drivers........ afraid to say my father caused an accident a few yrs ago, three ppl including him ended up in a & e...... took him a long time emotionally to get over what could have happened...... i told him if he didnt stop driving i would report him to dvla, harsh some may say but i knew he wasn't capable of driving any , thank goodness he agreed and has now stopped driving. myself and my sisters now drive parents around which i am more than happy to do !!!!

You cannot actually report anyone to the dvla or the police for that matter, for their poor driving as I have tried to and got nowhere. The only way is for a driver to decide they are no longer safe to drive or for them to cause an accident

the police would need to see the dangerous driving to be able to do anything about it, they cant rely on 2nd hand info"

I think if they saw his car pointing the wrong way it might be a give away. it still got rid of him.

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By *rnycpl2705Couple
over a year ago

Killin


"The report I heard was they are thinking of banning young drivers from having people under a certain age in their car, for example a new driver aged 17 won't be allowed to have his 17 year old mates in the car without supervision by an older, more experienced driver. There are pro's and cons to this, less chance of "showing off" to their mates but then 4 youngsters who car share for work, school or college etc won't be able to do that.

In my opinion new drivers should be restricted to a car with less power for a year after passing the test ( a 1.2 corsa for example) then until they have 3 years experience they should be limited to driving nothing bigger than a 1.4.

As my dad used to say " you don't learn how to drive until you pass your test!!"

all cars can be a deadly weapon in the hands of an inexperienced driver, engine size doesn't make a driver any safer,

You can run into a pedestrian or cause an accident on a 50cc moped,

I agree but surely a new driver jumping into a more powerful car increases the risk of accidents

not really, its attitude of the person in the car that causes accidents, not the size of the engine ....its down to education."

I agree it's the attitude of the driver....but there needs to be more education....I've sat my car test, my HGV class 2 and Emergency Response Driving for the Fire Service and the education I got whilst doing the ERD was brilliant.....they teach how to read the road, how to take corners safely, how to look for hazards and how to deal with them.....the Fire Service takes their course from the Police training course I think

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