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Baby P's mother can be released.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I can honestly say I have never been so shocked in my life. The parole board have said that Baby P's mother can be released from prison.

She has been in prison for a little over 4 years.

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By *opping_candyWoman
over a year ago

West Yorkshire

Gobsmacked.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She wont be around much longer then. I give it 6 months max after her release before she's attacked.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And we will be paying for a new identity for her

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By *wingerdelightCouple
over a year ago

eastliegh

The justice system does leave me scratching my head sometimes

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By *wingerdelightCouple
over a year ago

eastliegh

And what's to stop her having another baby?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not really much i can say

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is she being given a new Identity too? Disgraceful

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And what's to stop her having another baby?"

Hopefully no man will go near her

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And what's to stop her having another baby?"

The fact that she wont be about for too long probably

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is she being given a new Identity too? Disgraceful "

yes for her protection

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sickening

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And what's to stop her having another baby?

The fact that she wont be about for too long probably"

but no one will know who she is, after 4 years in prison she'll have probably lost weight, changed her hair, she'll be relocated and given a new identity, if you passed her in the street would you recognise her cause I wouldn't

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

She will be subject to strict licence agreements. She Will have multi agency arrangements and if she ever got pregnant again i am pretty sure that the baby won't remain in her care...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is she being given a new Identity too? Disgraceful

yes for her protection "
its bloody disgusting...what protection did babyP get?...NONE

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"And what's to stop her having another baby?

The fact that she wont be about for too long probably

but no one will know who she is, after 4 years in prison she'll have probably lost weight, changed her hair, she'll be relocated and given a new identity, if you passed her in the street would you recognise her cause I wouldn't "

Re weight loss. Reportedly she weighs 22 stones .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I can honestly say I have never been so shocked in my life. The parole board have said that Baby P's mother can be released from prison.

She has been in prison for a little over 4 years.

"

Is she actually being released or is it just a can be? I've not seen a report yet on this?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"I can honestly say I have never been so shocked in my life. The parole board have said that Baby P's mother can be released from prison.

She has been in prison for a little over 4 years.

'Eligible for release'.

Is she actually being released or is it just a can be? I've not seen a report yet on this?"

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Its a can be and not is...she is able to go up for parole don't mean she will get it...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And what's to stop her having another baby?

The fact that she wont be about for too long probably

but no one will know who she is, after 4 years in prison she'll have probably lost weight, changed her hair, she'll be relocated and given a new identity, if you passed her in the street would you recognise her cause I wouldn't

Re weight loss. Reportedly she weighs 22 stones ."

ok so she's put it on, the point I was making is she wont look the same as she did when she went in

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By *uck_us_hardCouple
over a year ago

N.E Lincolnshire

I'm shocked at this, the system is a farce!!!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Its a can be and not is...she is able to go up for parole don't mean she will get it..."

The Parole Board have recommended her release.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm sure the father won't be far behind such is the hilarity of justice in this country. Oooooo I sound like a daily mail reader!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And what's to stop her having another baby?

Hopefully no man will go near her"

i wish that was the case however she is a cash cow for some work shy bloke with loose trousers no morals and a over active cock

i cannot believe they will release her after less than 5 years in my opinion she should never come out

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"Its a can be and not is...she is able to go up for parole don't mean she will get it...

The Parole Board have recommended her release."

well then they are fucking idiots lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its a can be and not is...she is able to go up for parole don't mean she will get it...

The Parole Board have recommended her release.

well then they are fucking idiots lol "

here here miss cheeky chops for prime minister

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its a can be and not is...she is able to go up for parole don't mean she will get it...

The Parole Board have recommended her release.

well then they are fucking idiots lol

here here miss cheeky chops for prime minister "

I concur

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By *r Mahogany70Man
over a year ago

Leicester


"And what's to stop her having another baby?

Hopefully no man will go near her"

She'd find a few off here. No problem...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If she is released I do hope she is steralised before release disgusting a little life does not mean anything to some people x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If she is released I do hope she is steralised before release disgusting a little life does not mean anything to some people x"

by sterilized i hope they cut something else for what she put her own child through

i will never understand how a parent could ever harm their child

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is fn shocking!!! How can handling drugs constitute a longer jail sentence or even robbery

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich


"And what's to stop her having another baby?

Hopefully no man will go near her"

If she advertised bareback on here they would be queuing up.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"It is fn shocking!!! How can handling drugs constitute a longer jail sentence or even robbery "

Judges have the advantage of having heard ALL the facts, not just the bits the Daily Mail want their readership to foam at the mouth about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It is fn shocking!!! How can handling drugs constitute a longer jail sentence or even robbery "

Drug sales and robbery both have the potential of taking away money from the government, which to them is an unforgivable crime. Human lives, in comparison, are worth fuck all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It is fn shocking!!! How can handling drugs constitute a longer jail sentence or even robbery

Drug sales and robbery both have the potential of taking away money from the government, which to them is an unforgivable crime. Human lives, in comparison, are worth fuck all."

Yes its disgusting and especially a child's life caused my his own mother.

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By *wingerdelightCouple
over a year ago

eastliegh


"It is fn shocking!!! How can handling drugs constitute a longer jail sentence or even robbery

Drug sales and robbery both have the potential of taking away money from the government, which to them is an unforgivable crime. Human lives, in comparison, are worth fuck all."
talking of the daily mail

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

a couple of things here....

a) she may have done 4 years in prison, but that doesn't count the time she spent on remarnd.. so that takes it up to 5 1/2 years..

b) this is here 2nd parole board hearing... which means the first one she was rejected....

c) she is not getting a new identity.... she is not allowed any contact with any of her other children, and if she gets pregnant again, social services have already said it will immediately be taken off her....

so from that respect, she actually doesn't pose any threat to the wider general public......

I can see why the board have made the decision... especially if she has been a model prisioner, and I can see that for a lot of people, it doesn't sit well with what she did.....

in a way, life is going to be a lot, lot tougher for her on the outside than it was ever going to be on inside...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"a couple of things here....

a) she may have done 4 years in prison, but that doesn't count the time she spent on remarnd.. so that takes it up to 5 1/2 years..

b) this is here 2nd parole board hearing... which means the first one she was rejected....

c) she is not getting a new identity.... she is not allowed any contact with any of her other children, and if she gets pregnant again, social services have already said it will immediately be taken off her....

so from that respect, she actually doesn't pose any threat to the wider general public......

I can see why the board have made the decision... especially if she has been a model prisioner, and I can see that for a lot of people, it doesn't sit well with what she did.....

in a way, life is going to be a lot, lot tougher for her on the outside than it was ever going to be on inside...

"

Well said that man! She was not convicted of murder and was probably a victim of the men who controlled her life. She has to live with her actions (or inactions) which for most will be a tortured life sentence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It is fn shocking!!! How can handling drugs constitute a longer jail sentence or even robbery

Judges have the advantage of having heard ALL the facts, not just the bits the Daily Mail want their readership to foam at the mouth about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"She wont be around much longer then. I give it 6 months max after her release before she's attacked."

and this is the reason why she will be in a state funded protection scheme.

unless, as a society, we can appreciate that justice has been done, no matter how mealy mouthed and ridiculously short the sentence she served was compared to the heinous crime she committed, then vigilanti justice will mean more of these sorts of diabolical people are hidden in locales that the inhabitants dont want them.

im disgusted that someone who contributed to the death of a child can be let out early, but that is the system we have.

hopefully she will be ignored and live a life of hell once she is out, but for physical violence to be threatened, and worse still, carried out, then that is whats wrong with the world today, im afraid

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Due to the nature of this crime, this is always going to evoke passion. A parole board will have all the facts available and will have looked and discusssed it all in detail. They cannot let public opinion or passion get in the way of the crime committed, the length of the original sentence, behaviour of prisoner and rehabilitation.

We cannot keep prisoners locked away indefinitely for any crime we deeme disgusting. The prison sentence was set, she has served the time given, she is not a risk to the public. She will obviously be subject to licence conditions and will be monitored closely. A licence ensures that she can return to custody should any conditions be breached. I would imagine that she would not be able to keep any child if she did fall pregnant again.

Crimes like this do evoke a sense of outrage in us and admittedly its sickening. Those involved who are making decisions on this will be able to do so based on fact rather than drama.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No new ID for her I believe. Well what can I say about this, she should serve her full sentence. This is a real problem for the UK has she been punished enough, is she rehabilitated, probably not. The trouble is we treat women and men differently in our penal system. There is a higher proportion of women than men in prison for petty crimes, shop lifting fraud etc. Yet when it comes to crimes of violence especially against children or sexual crimes against minors ie females teachers and students, women seem to be treated more leniently. Gender should not come into any decisions regarding sentencing or parole.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And what's to stop her having another baby?

Hopefully no man will go near her

She'd find a few off here. No problem..."

And I thought it was just me thinking it.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


" .......Gender should not come into any decisions regarding sentencing or parole. "

Justice is supposedly blind. Only a judge who has sat through the entire trial and read all the reports can decide what is appropriate.

The rules re parole are published.

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By *kywatcherMan
over a year ago

Southwick


"No new ID for her I believe. Well what can I say about this, she should serve her full sentence. This is a real problem for the UK has she been punished enough, is she rehabilitated, probably not. The trouble is we treat women and men differently in our penal system. There is a higher proportion of women than men in prison for petty crimes, shop lifting fraud etc. Yet when it comes to crimes of violence especially against children or sexual crimes against minors ie females teachers and students, women seem to be treated more leniently. Gender should not come into any decisions regarding sentencing or parole. "

"Serve her full sentence"....she was sentenced to an Indefinite Sentence for Public Protection...an ISP which is essentially a life sentence. In her case the recommended tariff was 5years which she has indeed served. However, this means that she is on a life licence which means that she can be returned to prison if the Probation Service deems that she has breached the terms of her licence.

I am in no way defending her release just stating that she has served her sentence.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

But there's still an element of society which won't be happy till she'd had her head shaved, been tarred and feathered and placed in the stocks.

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By *kywatcherMan
over a year ago

Southwick


"No new ID for her I believe. Well what can I say about this, she should serve her full sentence. This is a real problem for the UK has she been punished enough, is she rehabilitated, probably not. The trouble is we treat women and men differently in our penal system. There is a higher proportion of women than men in prison for petty crimes, shop lifting fraud etc. Yet when it comes to crimes of violence especially against children or sexual crimes against minors ie females teachers and students, women seem to be treated more leniently. Gender should not come into any decisions regarding sentencing or parole.

"Serve her full sentence"....she was sentenced to an Indefinite Sentence for Public Protection...an ISP which is essentially a life sentence. In her case the recommended tariff was 5years which she has indeed served. However, this means that she is on a life licence which means that she can be returned to prison if the Probation Service deems that she has breached the terms of her licence.

I am in no way defending her release just stating that she has served her sentence."

*IPP...Indeterminate Sentence for Public Protection

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham


"But there's still an element of society which won't be happy till she'd had her head shaved, been tarred and feathered and placed in the stocks."
You can count me as one wo would support that.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon


"Due to the nature of this crime, this is always going to evoke passion. A parole board will have all the facts available and will have looked and discusssed it all in detail. They cannot let public opinion or passion get in the way of the crime committed, the length of the original sentence, behaviour of prisoner and rehabilitation.

We cannot keep prisoners locked away indefinitely for any crime we deeme disgusting. The prison sentence was set, she has served the time given, she is not a risk to the public. She will obviously be subject to licence conditions and will be monitored closely. A licence ensures that she can return to custody should any conditions be breached. I would imagine that she would not be able to keep any child if she did fall pregnant again.

Crimes like this do evoke a sense of outrage in us and admittedly its sickening. Those involved who are making decisions on this will be able to do so based on fact rather than drama. "

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By *el3491Man
over a year ago

Gwent.

Just like to say, the parole board have decided she can be released, they don't give out that Information untill they have made a date for her to be released, and that they would have given her a date, and that will be within the next few months or sooner.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon


"But there's still an element of society which won't be happy till she'd had her head shaved, been tarred and feathered and placed in the stocks.You can count me as one wo would support that."

And would you be the one to shave, tar and feather her?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The restrictions will more likely than not include curfews, restrictions on who she can and cannot see and when. Probation and police and hod knows who else will keep eye on her.

What gets apart from the horrendous suffering the poor child went through is whilst recommended for parole she has substantial period of sentence left to serve why the fuck is she even being considered in first place.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"But there's still an element of society which won't be happy till she'd had her head shaved, been tarred and feathered and placed in the stocks.You can count me as one wo would support that.

And would you be the one to shave, tar and feather her?"

Nope.

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

I feel really sorry for any woman that looks similar to her that moves to a new area in th next few weeks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The restrictions will more likely than not include curfews, restrictions on who she can and cannot see and when. Probation and police and hod knows who else will keep eye on her.

What gets apart from the horrendous suffering the poor child went through is whilst recommended for parole she has substantial period of sentence left to serve why the fuck is she even being considered in first place."

She was to serve a minimum sentence of 5 years. Shes now done that, hence, she's now eligible for parole.

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By *ucyhenry69Couple
over a year ago

Hampton

I would hope the baby would be taken away from her. No doubt someone will be shouting about her human rights. What happened to poor Baby Peter's human rights?

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By *ucyhenry69Couple
over a year ago

Hampton


"Is she being given a new Identity too? Disgraceful

yes for her protection its bloody disgusting...what protection did babyP get?...NONE "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I would hope the baby would be taken away from her. No doubt someone will be shouting about her human rights. What happened to poor Baby Peter's human rights?"

What baby?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

One thing stands out from this thread.

There are a lot of 'facts' being bandied about, some at least being contradicted by other posts.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon


"But there's still an element of society which won't be happy till she'd had her head shaved, been tarred and feathered and placed in the stocks.You can count me as one wo would support that.

And would you be the one to shave, tar and feather her?

Nope."

The question wasn't for you Onny

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I can honestly say I have never been so shocked in my life. The parole board have said that Baby P's mother can be released from prison.

She has been in prison for a little over 4 years.

"

She should have the same sentence in years as Baby P would have lived!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

5 years for causing or allowing her sons death

baby peter had more than 50 injuries at the time of his death on 3rd august 2007

the three despicable people involved in this child's death were

tracey connelly mother minimum 5yrs

Steven barker boyfriend life with a minimum of 10yrs (this was for raping a 2yr old girl and 12 yrs for his major role in baby peters death)

Jason Owen Steven barker brother was jailed indefinitely with a minimum 3 yrs

(released in Aug 2011 but was recalled back to prison in April this year)

im sorry i do not care what people say however the above is not what i consider justice for the life of a one year old child.

these three people should never darken our streets again after their involvement in the death of baby peter.

im not a fan of the tabloid press however in this instance i hope they hound these people to their dying day.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham


"But there's still an element of society which won't be happy till she'd had her head shaved, been tarred and feathered and placed in the stocks.You can count me as one wo would support that.

And would you be the one to shave, tar and feather her?"
Yes. No problem.Let her suffer what would be a tiny, tiny amount compared to what a 2 year old little lad had to go through.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon


"But there's still an element of society which won't be happy till she'd had her head shaved, been tarred and feathered and placed in the stocks.You can count me as one wo would support that.

And would you be the one to shave, tar and feather her?Yes. No problem.Let her suffer what would be a tiny, tiny amount compared to what a 2 year old little lad had to go through."

'Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster'

Nietzsche

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

For some it may already be too late.

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley


"Is she being given a new Identity too? Disgraceful "

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham


"But there's still an element of society which won't be happy till she'd had her head shaved, been tarred and feathered and placed in the stocks.You can count me as one wo would support that.

And would you be the one to shave, tar and feather her?Yes. No problem.Let her suffer what would be a tiny, tiny amount compared to what a 2 year old little lad had to go through.

'Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster'

Nietzsche"
Ah Nietzsche. The privately educated man who went insane and some of some of who's philosophies were used by the Nazi Party in Germany to justify their vile beliefs. Not really a good example to use was he? Just saying like.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so, for all those advocating vigilante justice, is there any need for a court system?

should we just throw everyone to 'the mob' and let them dole out whatever they feel is right and just?

well, just for you lot, god forbid you ever do a=something to upset someone elses sensibilities, because, no matter the crime, there is always a victim, however small, and theri retribution on you would be just as visceral as anything you may feel you want to give this woman that stood by and allowed her child to be killed.

some days i really do idspair.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"But there's still an element of society which won't be happy till she'd had her head shaved, been tarred and feathered and placed in the stocks.You can count me as one wo would support that.

And would you be the one to shave, tar and feather her?Yes. No problem.Let her suffer what would be a tiny, tiny amount compared to what a 2 year old little lad had to go through.

'Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster'

Nietzsche"

I like that.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham


"so, for all those advocating vigilante justice, is there any need for a court system?

should we just throw everyone to 'the mob' and let them dole out whatever they feel is right and just?

well, just for you lot, god forbid you ever do a=something to upset someone elses sensibilities, because, no matter the crime, there is always a victim, however small, and theri retribution on you would be just as visceral as anything you may feel you want to give this woman that stood by and allowed her child to be killed.

some days i really do idspair."
So do I whenb people try to equate shoplifting as been equal to murdering a child. I despair I really do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"so, for all those advocating vigilante justice, is there any need for a court system?

should we just throw everyone to 'the mob' and let them dole out whatever they feel is right and just?

well, just for you lot, god forbid you ever do a=something to upset someone elses sensibilities, because, no matter the crime, there is always a victim, however small, and theri retribution on you would be just as visceral as anything you may feel you want to give this woman that stood by and allowed her child to be killed.

some days i really do idspair.So do I whenb people try to equate shoplifting as been equal to murdering a child. I despair I really do."

Who's done that then on this thread?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"But there's still an element of society which won't be happy till she'd had her head shaved, been tarred and feathered and placed in the stocks.You can count me as one wo would support that.

And would you be the one to shave, tar and feather her?Yes. No problem.Let her suffer what would be a tiny, tiny amount compared to what a 2 year old little lad had to go through.

'Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster'

NietzscheAh Nietzsche. The privately educated man who went insane and some of some of who's philosophies were used by the Nazi Party in Germany to justify their vile beliefs. Not really a good example to use was he? Just saying like. "

You could say the same thing about religion. Quotes will always be taken onboard in the context which one decides.

What they were simply trying to say is in seeking justice, one should be careful not to become the thing that they hate. A person will still do time for murder if they choose to avenge a loved one's death.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham


"so, for all those advocating vigilante justice, is there any need for a court system?

should we just throw everyone to 'the mob' and let them dole out whatever they feel is right and just?

well, just for you lot, god forbid you ever do a=something to upset someone elses sensibilities, because, no matter the crime, there is always a victim, however small, and theri retribution on you would be just as visceral as anything you may feel you want to give this woman that stood by and allowed her child to be killed.

some days i really do idspair.So do I whenb people try to equate shoplifting as been equal to murdering a child. I despair I really do.

Who's done that then on this thread?"
The above posting seems to be hinting at that. I'e socalled vigilantes giving out punishments for all crimes no matter how big or small.Our Justice system has broken down. Just how do you allow a baby killer to walk free? Ever.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

That's why justice HAS to be blind.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham


"But there's still an element of society which won't be happy till she'd had her head shaved, been tarred and feathered and placed in the stocks.You can count me as one wo would support that.

And would you be the one to shave, tar and feather her?Yes. No problem.Let her suffer what would be a tiny, tiny amount compared to what a 2 year old little lad had to go through.

'Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster'

NietzscheAh Nietzsche. The privately educated man who went insane and some of some of who's philosophies were used by the Nazi Party in Germany to justify their vile beliefs. Not really a good example to use was he? Just saying like.

You could say the same thing about religion. Quotes will always be taken onboard in the context which one decides.

What they were simply trying to say is in seeking justice, one should be careful not to become the thing that they hate. A person will still do time for murder if they choose to avenge a loved one's death."
If the killer of one's loved one was punished properly there would be no need for vengeance would there?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"so, for all those advocating vigilante justice, is there any need for a court system?

should we just throw everyone to 'the mob' and let them dole out whatever they feel is right and just?

well, just for you lot, god forbid you ever do a=something to upset someone elses sensibilities, because, no matter the crime, there is always a victim, however small, and theri retribution on you would be just as visceral as anything you may feel you want to give this woman that stood by and allowed her child to be killed.

some days i really do idspair.So do I whenb people try to equate shoplifting as been equal to murdering a child. I despair I really do.

Who's done that then on this thread?The above posting seems to be hinting at that. I'e socalled vigilantes giving out punishments for all crimes no matter how big or small.Our Justice system has broken down. Just how do you allow a baby killer to walk free? Ever. "

Aaahh. So your now 'reading between the lines' to put your point over then? I read the above post to mean vigilantism should never be advocated whatever the offence. As that would just lead to more violence on our streets and leading to even more overcrowding in our prisons, resulting in even more early releases!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"A person will still do time for murder if they choose to avenge a loved one's death.If the killer of one's loved one was punished properly there would be no need for vengeance would there?"

But who gets to decide what constitutes 'punished properly'?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A person will still do time for murder if they choose to avenge a loved one's death.If the killer of one's loved one was punished properly there would be no need for vengeance would there?

But who gets to decide what constitutes 'punished properly'?"

Just a guess, but i think he means hung, drawn and quartered!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"A person will still do time for murder if they choose to avenge a loved one's death.If the killer of one's loved one was punished properly there would be no need for vengeance would there?

But who gets to decide what constitutes 'punished properly'?

Just a guess, but i think he means hung, drawn and quartered!"

Don't we reserve that for monarchs of whom we have no further need?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"But there's still an element of society which won't be happy till she'd had her head shaved, been tarred and feathered and placed in the stocks.You can count me as one wo would support that.

And would you be the one to shave, tar and feather her?Yes. No problem.Let her suffer what would be a tiny, tiny amount compared to what a 2 year old little lad had to go through.

'Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster'

NietzscheAh Nietzsche. The privately educated man who went insane and some of some of who's philosophies were used by the Nazi Party in Germany to justify their vile beliefs. Not really a good example to use was he? Just saying like.

You could say the same thing about religion. Quotes will always be taken onboard in the context which one decides.

What they were simply trying to say is in seeking justice, one should be careful not to become the thing that they hate. A person will still do time for murder if they choose to avenge a loved one's death.If the killer of one's loved one was punished properly there would be no need for vengeance would there?"

erm, hate to point out the obvious, bobby boy, but, in this instance in particular, it was her own 'loved one' that she allowed to die.

so, should she take herself round the back of the local spar shop, and kick herself to death?

what i said still stands.

you break into a neighbours nans house and rob her, she isnt home and isnt hurt, the relatives will want you killed for it, thats what mob mentality and vengeance is.

its retribution above and beyond.

you cant tell a mob they can only go so far with your type of justice.

bobby, you come across as a very angry man who seems to find everything in life worthy of your ire

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon


"But there's still an element of society which won't be happy till she'd had her head shaved, been tarred and feathered and placed in the stocks.You can count me as one wo would support that.

And would you be the one to shave, tar and feather her?Yes. No problem.Let her suffer what would be a tiny, tiny amount compared to what a 2 year old little lad had to go through.

'Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster'

NietzscheAh Nietzsche. The privately educated man who went insane and some of some of who's philosophies were used by the Nazi Party in Germany to justify their vile beliefs. Not really a good example to use was he? Just saying like. "

Oh dear, he is not the example, it's the quote, but interesting to note that his life and works can be summed up in three sentences.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A person will still do time for murder if they choose to avenge a loved one's death.If the killer of one's loved one was punished properly there would be no need for vengeance would there?

But who gets to decide what constitutes 'punished properly'?"

Yep. For every person saying 20 years, you'll have a group saying 30...and then a group saying 40...and then a group saying...

I could do this all night...but I won't. I'm off to perve!

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