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"Why should it? Apart from shoplifting for food I can see no other reason." beer fags, drugs, petrol, the usual things people need money for | |||
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"Will the changes to the benefits system, room tax, signing on daily, forced free labour, result in more crime and disruption in your ares?" Well yes I guess there will b a few more crimes committed by the govt before we get to the election n certainly before Gideon George Osborne inherits his baronetcy to which he is heir apparent n goes trundling off to the upper house  | |||
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"It's almost inevitable. That doesn't make it right. With houses and cars being a lot more secure than in the past, it's likely to be theft from shops and violent crimes against people which will increase most." But what has that got to do with the cuts in people's income? Sorry but I just think it gives an axcuse for scum to commit crime. | |||
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"I think you missed the bit where I wrote "That doesn't make it right."" I agree but why do you say it's inevitable? | |||
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"I think you missed the bit where I wrote "That doesn't make it right."I agree but why do you say it's inevitable?" 'Cos it is. No food, no money, kids screaming with hunger - what would you do? Let them starve? That's how to get yourself on the news, in the dock and in the jail. | |||
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"I think you missed the bit where I wrote "That doesn't make it right."I agree but why do you say it's inevitable? 'Cos it is. No food, no money, kids screaming with hunger - what would you do? Let them starve? That's how to get yourself on the news, in the dock and in the jail." I might steal food but not burgle/mug or otherwise wreck people's lives. you seriously saying that cuts in benefits makes people commit violent crime? Sorry mate that's garbage. | |||
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"Will the changes to the benefits system, room tax, signing on daily, forced free labour, result in more crime and disruption in your ares?" I hope that was meant to say area - not arse!  | |||
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"I think you missed the bit where I wrote "That doesn't make it right."I agree but why do you say it's inevitable? 'Cos it is. No food, no money, kids screaming with hunger - what would you do? Let them starve? That's how to get yourself on the news, in the dock and in the jail.I might steal food but not burgle/mug or otherwise wreck people's lives. you seriously saying that cuts in benefits makes people commit violent crime? Sorry mate that's garbage." Garbage it might seem but it's true. I, like you, would prefer it isn't like that ....... but it is. In the last 10 days a man has been convicted of culpable homicide when he went into his local mini-market to steal from the shelves, was confronted by the shop owner and killed him. There'll be more of this. | |||
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"Why should it? Apart from shoplifting for food I can see no other reason." Was thinking same, if they are occupied doing free labour then not got time to do crime, though wrong for OP to suggest those on benefits are criminals as I'm sure majority arent | |||
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"I think you missed the bit where I wrote "That doesn't make it right."I agree but why do you say it's inevitable? 'Cos it is. No food, no money, kids screaming with hunger - what would you do? Let them starve? That's how to get yourself on the news, in the dock and in the jail.I might steal food but not burgle/mug or otherwise wreck people's lives. you seriously saying that cuts in benefits makes people commit violent crime? Sorry mate that's garbage. Garbage it might seem but it's true. I, like you, would prefer it isn't like that ....... but it is. In the last 10 days a man has been convicted of culpable homicide when he went into his local mini-market to steal from the shelves, was confronted by the shop owner and killed him. There'll be more of this." and this man had just had his benefits cut and decided to rob for food and then decided to kill the shop owner? Really? He must have been a very upright and stable citizen in the first place. Do you know all the background of this man? Actually can you let us know where you got this information from? I'd like to read it. Pm me if you don't wish to place on here. Thanks. | |||
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"I think you missed the bit where I wrote "That doesn't make it right."I agree but why do you say it's inevitable? 'Cos it is. No food, no money, kids screaming with hunger - what would you do? Let them starve? That's how to get yourself on the news, in the dock and in the jail.I might steal food but not burgle/mug or otherwise wreck people's lives. you seriously saying that cuts in benefits makes people commit violent crime? Sorry mate that's garbage. Garbage it might seem but it's true. I, like you, would prefer it isn't like that ....... but it is. In the last 10 days a man has been convicted of culpable homicide when he went into his local mini-market to steal from the shelves, was confronted by the shop owner and killed him. There'll be more of this." Has this been confirmed as a case linked to poverty - or drugs - or alcohol abuse - or anything in particular? or just being used by the media to stir up trouble and tension? | |||
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"Why should it? Apart from shoplifting for food I can see no other reason. Was thinking same, if they are occupied doing free labour then not got time to do crime, though wrong for OP to suggest those on benefits are criminals as I'm sure majority arent" Why not just line the unemployed up against a wall and shoot them? That'd stop them committing crime. | |||
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"Why should it? Apart from shoplifting for food I can see no other reason. Was thinking same, if they are occupied doing free labour then not got time to do crime, though wrong for OP to suggest those on benefits are criminals as I'm sure majority arent Why not just line the unemployed up against a wall and shoot them? That'd stop them committing crime." just looked for this murder on the net and can't find it. can you pls give some allowable deatils? | |||
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"Will the changes to the benefits system, room tax, signing on daily, forced free labour, result in more crime and disruption in your ares? I hope that was meant to say area - not arse! " | |||
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"Why should it? Apart from shoplifting for food I can see no other reason. Was thinking same, if they are occupied doing free labour then not got time to do crime, though wrong for OP to suggest those on benefits are criminals as I'm sure majority arent Why not just line the unemployed up against a wall and shoot them? That'd stop them committing crime." Oh great, so my hard earned taxes has to pay for bullets and funerals?!!  | |||
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"Its ridiculous to think that this work for your dole is actually going to achieve anything....to make people clean the streets like doctors/school teachers/engineers and other skilled professions is a farce. id say there will be strikes and riots over the head of it but not so much a proper crime wave" why? because sweeping the streets is beneath doctors/school teachers/engineers?? if you have been out of work for over 24 months, then you may well have lost the work ethic you had. its simply about people getting up and going out to 'work' at 8 in the morning. no more, no less. | |||
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"Its ridiculous to think that this work for your dole is actually going to achieve anything....to make people clean the streets like doctors/school teachers/engineers and other skilled professions is a farce. id say there will be strikes and riots over the head of it but not so much a proper crime wave" couldn't agree more and the way it is being handled is a disgrace. However to seem to think it could lead to violent crime (and even to be seen to justifying it as a valid cause) is just ridiculous.It's actually a slur on the unemployed/benefit recipients to suggest they would resort to violence to feed themselves or their families.. | |||
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"Its ridiculous to think that this work for your dole is actually going to achieve anything....to make people clean the streets like doctors/school teachers/engineers and other skilled professions is a farce. id say there will be strikes and riots over the head of it but not so much a proper crime wave" its not aimed at all unemployed people, only a small percentage will be effected by this is it comes in | |||
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"Its ridiculous to think that this work for your dole is actually going to achieve anything....to make people clean the streets like doctors/school teachers/engineers and other skilled professions is a farce. id say there will be strikes and riots over the head of it but not so much a proper crime wave why? because sweeping the streets is beneath doctors/school teachers/engineers?? if you have been out of work for over 24 months, then you may well have lost the work ethic you had. its simply about people getting up and going out to 'work' at 8 in the morning. no more, no less." People with no education, no work ethic want minimum wage jobs, so I wouldn't hold it against a doctor who was up in arms at sweeping the streets. | |||
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"Its ridiculous to think that this work for your dole is actually going to achieve anything....to make people clean the streets like doctors/school teachers/engineers and other skilled professions is a farce. id say there will be strikes and riots over the head of it but not so much a proper crime wave why? because sweeping the streets is beneath doctors/school teachers/engineers?? if you have been out of work for over 24 months, then you may well have lost the work ethic you had. its simply about people getting up and going out to 'work' at 8 in the morning. no more, no less. People with no education, no work ethic want minimum wage jobs, so I wouldn't hold it against a doctor who was up in arms at sweeping the streets." Are there actually any unemployed doctors? Apart from those struck off? I doubt it. | |||
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"Its ridiculous to think that this work for your dole is actually going to achieve anything....to make people clean the streets like doctors/school teachers/engineers and other skilled professions is a farce. id say there will be strikes and riots over the head of it but not so much a proper crime wave why? because sweeping the streets is beneath doctors/school teachers/engineers?? if you have been out of work for over 24 months, then you may well have lost the work ethic you had. its simply about people getting up and going out to 'work' at 8 in the morning. no more, no less. People with no education, no work ethic want minimum wage jobs, so I wouldn't hold it against a doctor who was up in arms at sweeping the streets.Are there actually any unemployed doctors? Apart from those struck off? I doubt it." there's a shortage of Dr's and nurses on the NHS, they have over the years been recruiting people of the medical profession from other countries, so there wouldn't be any Dr able and willing to work out of work in this country | |||
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"Its ridiculous to think that this work for your dole is actually going to achieve anything....to make people clean the streets like doctors/school teachers/engineers and other skilled professions is a farce. id say there will be strikes and riots over the head of it but not so much a proper crime wave why? because sweeping the streets is beneath doctors/school teachers/engineers?? if you have been out of work for over 24 months, then you may well have lost the work ethic you had. its simply about people getting up and going out to 'work' at 8 in the morning. no more, no less. People with no education, no work ethic want minimum wage jobs, so I wouldn't hold it against a doctor who was up in arms at sweeping the streets.Are there actually any unemployed doctors? Apart from those struck off? I doubt it. there's a shortage of Dr's and nurses on the NHS, they have over the years been recruiting people of the medical profession from other countries, so there wouldn't be any Dr able and willing to work out of work in this country" Indeed. | |||
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"So can you not see that this will then have a knock on effect if the unemployed are sent to do jobs like sweeping the streets then council workers and public service are then going to need less workers thus adding to the unemployed people who have been on benefits for more than 2 years may have just been unlucky at inter_iews or needed to brush up on cvs and the likes...not be sent to do jobs to get what they deserve if they have paid years of taxes and national insurance before becoming unemployed...." and this makes violent crime inevitable? This was the OP's original question. Most people have responded to that. Your valid point is not actually pertinent to this thread is it? it's about violent crime resulting from these horrible benefit cuts. | |||
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"So can you not see that this will then have a knock on effect if the unemployed are sent to do jobs like sweeping the streets then council workers and public service are then going to need less workers thus adding to the unemployed people who have been on benefits for more than 2 years may have just been unlucky at inter_iews or needed to brush up on cvs and the likes...not be sent to do jobs to get what they deserve if they have paid years of taxes and national insurance before becoming unemployed....and this makes violent crime inevitable? This was the OP's original question. Most people have responded to that. Your valid point is not actually pertinent to this thread is it? it's about violent crime resulting from these horrible benefit cuts." define a violent crime? to me a violent crime is to go out and beat someone up or rape, not shop lifting and pinching bikes off the street, if people have less money they may resort to pinching but I doubt very much people will go out beating people up because they have to work a few hours for their benefits I think that's a bit extreme | |||
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"So can you not see that this will then have a knock on effect if the unemployed are sent to do jobs like sweeping the streets then council workers and public service are then going to need less workers thus adding to the unemployed people who have been on benefits for more than 2 years may have just been unlucky at inter_iews or needed to brush up on cvs and the likes...not be sent to do jobs to get what they deserve if they have paid years of taxes and national insurance before becoming unemployed....and this makes violent crime inevitable? This was the OP's original question. Most people have responded to that. Your valid point is not actually pertinent to this thread is it? it's about violent crime resulting from these horrible benefit cuts. define a violent crime? to me a violent crime is to go out and beat someone up or rape, not shop lifting and pinching bikes off the street, if people have less money they may resort to pinching but I doubt very much people will go out beating people up because they have to work a few hours for their benefits I think that's a bit extreme "Couldn't agree more. Bbut apparently some of our contributors seem to think that cutting benefits will force people (poor babies) into killing people. One contributor has already said a Glaswegian has done just that. Must have been a lovely fella otherwise I guess  . new slogan . Kill someone..it's the Tories fault.FFS. | |||
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"It's almost inevitable. That doesn't make it right. With houses and cars being a lot more secure than in the past, it's likely to be theft from shops and violent crimes against people which will increase most.But what has that got to do with the cuts in people's income? Sorry but I just think it gives an axcuse for scum to commit crime. " So a parent who has had their benefits cut because they failed an ATOS assessement for not being disabled enough suddenly becomes scum ? Having to steal to feed their dependents because a system that is intentionally stacked against them robbed them of vital income makes them scum ? Yes, the stealing is wrong. But it shows the risk some parents are prepared to take to feed and ensure the well being of their children. Compare this "scum" with the types who have been in the news recently who have abused their children. Who have let their children starve to death and kept the body hidden. Do you still think the parent forced to steal is "scum" ? Sorry folks. Rant over. | |||
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"It's almost inevitable. That doesn't make it right. With houses and cars being a lot more secure than in the past, it's likely to be theft from shops and violent crimes against people which will increase most.But what has that got to do with the cuts in people's income? Sorry but I just think it gives an axcuse for scum to commit crime. So a parent who has had their benefits cut because they failed an ATOS assessement for not being disabled enough suddenly becomes scum ? Having to steal to feed their dependents because a system that is intentionally stacked against them robbed them of vital income makes them scum ? Yes, the stealing is wrong. But it shows the risk some parents are prepared to take to feed and ensure the well being of their children. Compare this "scum" with the types who have been in the news recently who have abused their children. Who have let their children starve to death and kept the body hidden. Do you still think the parent forced to steal is "scum" ? Sorry folks. Rant over." is anyone forced to steal to feed their kids in this country tho? im sorry but I have never claimed unemployment benefits so I have no idea how much you get but I do have friends who are single mothers on benefits and none of them steal food and their kids are always fed and clothed, are we just panicking over nothing here? | |||
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"So can you not see that this will then have a knock on effect if the unemployed are sent to do jobs like sweeping the streets then council workers and public service are then going to need less workers thus adding to the unemployed people who have been on benefits for more than 2 years may have just been unlucky at inter_iews or needed to brush up on cvs and the likes...not be sent to do jobs to get what they deserve if they have paid years of taxes and national insurance before becoming unemployed...." have you actually listened to what is being suggested? no one is forcing people to go to work, to do meanial jobs. there are many things that are offered INCLUDING courses to brush up on inter_iew techniques and CV writing. its veyr easy to just pluck one aspect of a bill and jump on it without looking at the rest of it. and yes, everyone else, i appreciate there is a shortage of trained medical staff, i was using the posters example of people that 'shouldnt' be doing jobs that are below them. in fact, i have never heard of street sweeping being one of that tasks that are assigned, more along the lines of helping the elderly. now, im sure the elderly would LOVE a doctor or nurse coming and giving them help at home, as well as looking at this suspect boil they have had for a while lol | |||
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"It's almost inevitable. That doesn't make it right. With houses and cars being a lot more secure than in the past, it's likely to be theft from shops and violent crimes against people which will increase most.But what has that got to do with the cuts in people's income? Sorry but I just think it gives an axcuse for scum to commit crime. So a parent who has had their benefits cut because they failed an ATOS assessement for not being disabled enough suddenly becomes scum ? Having to steal to feed their dependents because a system that is intentionally stacked against them robbed them of vital income makes them scum ? Yes, the stealing is wrong. But it shows the risk some parents are prepared to take to feed and ensure the well being of their children. Compare this "scum" with the types who have been in the news recently who have abused their children. Who have let their children starve to death and kept the body hidden. Do you still think the parent forced to steal is "scum" ? Sorry folks. Rant over." The point being someone who commits violent crime is scum.Not someone who shoplifts (non violent crime) if their children are starving. Huge difference. | |||
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" So a parent who has had their benefits cut because they failed an ATOS assessement for not being disabled enough suddenly becomes scum ? Having to steal to feed their dependents because a system that is intentionally stacked against them robbed them of vital income makes them scum ? Yes, the stealing is wrong. But it shows the risk some parents are prepared to take to feed and ensure the well being of their children. Compare this "scum" with the types who have been in the news recently who have abused their children. Who have let their children starve to death and kept the body hidden. Do you still think the parent forced to steal is "scum" ? Sorry folks. Rant over. is anyone forced to steal to feed their kids in this country tho? im sorry but I have never claimed unemployment benefits so I have no idea how much you get but I do have friends who are single mothers on benefits and none of them steal food and their kids are always fed and clothed, are we just panicking over nothing here? " agreed. taking every benefit that can be claimed into account, its not as if they are living on less than a lot of people in 3rd world countries do, for christs sake. these people you think you know that steal food for their kids, tell me, do the drink/smoke/have a mobile/extra tv channels/other things that a lot of people that actually work for a living cant afford | |||
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"The unemployed get 71 pound a week hardly the easiest to get by on! im not unemployed i work at other side of desk btw lol " disposable income. add to that rent/council tax/child benefits/income support and so on. | |||
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"The unemployed get 71 pound a week hardly the easiest to get by on! im not unemployed i work at other side of desk btw lol disposable income. add to that rent/council tax/child benefits/income support and so on. " their hardly living in the ritz and we are talking about a small amount of people who actually sign on for the whole of their lives....majority find work in 3 months but as i said i sign on doctors nurses care workers pharmacists and the likes so they would hardly start thieving the eye out of your head | |||
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"Crime statistics have shown us that when we have a healthy economy crime goes down, when the economy is in a bad state crime goes up. This goes for violent and non-violent crime. Make of that what you will." Well that's just not true is it? Less crime in the depression in the UK in the 20's and 30's than today. Make that work then. | |||
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"The unemployed get 71 pound a week hardly the easiest to get by on! im not unemployed i work at other side of desk btw lol disposable income. add to that rent/council tax/child benefits/income support and so on. their hardly living in the ritz and we are talking about a small amount of people who actually sign on for the whole of their lives....majority find work in 3 months but as i said i sign on doctors nurses care workers pharmacists and the likes so they would hardly start thieving the eye out of your head " I would love to know why you are singing on Dr and nurses when there is a shortage of them and the NHS is screaming out for nurses to the point they are recruiting from other countries, next time you get one ask them for me will you | |||
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"Crime statistics have shown us that when we have a healthy economy crime goes down, when the economy is in a bad state crime goes up. This goes for violent and non-violent crime. Make of that what you will.Well that's just not true is it? Less crime in the depression in the UK in the 20's and 30's than today. Make that work then." Yes it is true. Firstly, you need to look at the crime rate, not the number of crimes (difference in population between then and now). Secondly, crime reporting/recording wasn't so great in the 20s an 30s.... so it isn't a great era to do a comparison. And before you jump on me, I have studied crime statistics for years. | |||
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"The unemployed get 71 pound a week hardly the easiest to get by on! im not unemployed i work at other side of desk btw lol disposable income. add to that rent/council tax/child benefits/income support and so on. their hardly living in the ritz and we are talking about a small amount of people who actually sign on for the whole of their lives....majority find work in 3 months but as i said i sign on doctors nurses care workers pharmacists and the likes so they would hardly start thieving the eye out of your head I would love to know why you are singing on Dr and nurses when there is a shortage of them and the NHS is screaming out for nurses to the point they are recruiting from other countries, next time you get one ask them for me will you "One had a break down....the other dr just finished uni and waiting on a placement.....still unemployed drs  | |||
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".......One contributor has already said a Glaswegian has done just that. ............" The guilty party is from Paisley, where the crime was committed. | |||
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"The unemployed get 71 pound a week hardly the easiest to get by on! im not unemployed i work at other side of desk btw lol disposable income. add to that rent/council tax/child benefits/income support and so on. their hardly living in the ritz and we are talking about a small amount of people who actually sign on for the whole of their lives....majority find work in 3 months but as i said i sign on doctors nurses care workers pharmacists and the likes so they would hardly start thieving the eye out of your head I would love to know why you are singing on Dr and nurses when there is a shortage of them and the NHS is screaming out for nurses to the point they are recruiting from other countries, next time you get one ask them for me will you
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"Crime statistics have shown us that when we have a healthy economy crime goes down, when the economy is in a bad state crime goes up. This goes for violent and non-violent crime. Make of that what you will.Well that's just not true is it? Less crime in the depression in the UK in the 20's and 30's than today. Make that work then. Yes it is true. Firstly, you need to look at the crime rate, not the number of crimes (difference in population between then and now). Secondly, crime reporting/recording wasn't so great in the 20s an 30s.... so it isn't a great era to do a comparison. And before you jump on me, I have studied crime statistics for years." So have I. And disagree with your stats. May I ask where you get your stats from? | |||
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".......... I would love to know why you are singing on Dr and nurses when there is a shortage of them and the NHS is screaming out for nurses to the point they are recruiting from other countries, next time you get one ask them for me will you "Doctors, nurses (and teachers) are signing on as unemployed or taking locum/ supply work because there's a freeze on recruitment in some local authorities and health boards. | |||
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all our teachers go to england and scotland to get work....yours must be lazy lol "Now somebody is fibbing. Jobs found for your drs and nurses in the Uk or not? Which is it? Can't be both can it? | |||
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"Crime statistics have shown us that when we have a healthy economy crime goes down, when the economy is in a bad state crime goes up. This goes for violent and non-violent crime. Make of that what you will.Well that's just not true is it? Less crime in the depression in the UK in the 20's and 30's than today. Make that work then. Yes it is true. Firstly, you need to look at the crime rate, not the number of crimes (difference in population between then and now). Secondly, crime reporting/recording wasn't so great in the 20s an 30s.... so it isn't a great era to do a comparison. And before you jump on me, I have studied crime statistics for years.So have I. And disagree with your stats. May I ask where you get your stats from?" Well if I could be bothered to pull down my box on top of the wardrobe with the references in it I would. But I can't be bothered. But I'm ok with you disagreeing with me, you're allowed to. | |||
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"Crime statistics have shown us that when we have a healthy economy crime goes down, when the economy is in a bad state crime goes up. This goes for violent and non-violent crime. Make of that what you will.Well that's just not true is it? Less crime in the depression in the UK in the 20's and 30's than today. Make that work then. Yes it is true. Firstly, you need to look at the crime rate, not the number of crimes (difference in population between then and now). Secondly, crime reporting/recording wasn't so great in the 20s an 30s.... so it isn't a great era to do a comparison. And before you jump on me, I have studied crime statistics for years.So have I. And disagree with your stats. May I ask where you get your stats from? Well if I could be bothered to pull down my box on top of the wardrobe with the references in it I would. But I can't be bothered. But I'm ok with you disagreeing with me, you're allowed to." Good swerve so you don't have to try to explain your so called stats. Very convenient. | |||
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"I think you missed the bit where I wrote "That doesn't make it right."I agree but why do you say it's inevitable? 'Cos it is. No food, no money, kids screaming with hunger - what would you do? Let them starve? That's how to get yourself on the news, in the dock and in the jail.I might steal food but not burgle/mug or otherwise wreck people's lives. you seriously saying that cuts in benefits makes people commit violent crime? Sorry mate that's garbage." I am not sure its violent crime, just opportunistic crime. | |||
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"The unemployed get 71 pound a week hardly the easiest to get by on! im not unemployed i work at other side of desk btw lol disposable income. add to that rent/council tax/child benefits/income support and so on. " electric £10 a week, gas £15 a week, food for one £35 a week, that's £60 of disposable income gone. | |||
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