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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"A programme to vaccinate schoolchildren against flu has been delayed in Glasgow after concerns from Muslim parents that it contains products derived from pork."

That's ALL school kids NOT getting a potentially lifesaving vaccination because SOME parents think it MIGHT contain pork derived products.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Allah akbar

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love your enhancement of words using capitals to get the point over

I'd like to respond to this, but then I think no Bee, that's a place you don't want to go to

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

String em up if they can't learn to integrate with our hard earned christian values before leeching off our welfare system the minute they step off the boat and cause our british house prices to fall with their criminal ways....etc etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well that would b a serious issue to Muslims and we live in a multi cultural society. So your point is what precisely?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Once again the minority trying to rule shows they place more value on a slight unproven risk compared to health of their children. Not really suprised anymore.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well that would b a serious issue to Muslims and we live in a multi cultural society. So your point is what precisely?

I think the point is, that non Muslims are being denied something ....

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By *cottishsexgoddessWoman
over a year ago

Glenrothes

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By *cottishsexgoddessWoman
over a year ago

Glenrothes

I really must read posts properly before doing a response! Doh!

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

Fair enough if they don't want it because of that their faith and beliefs are up to them but the rest should still be allowed

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Why the rabid right? Any decent caring parent of any political persuasion would say this is bollox. What's your opinion Onny?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"String em up if they can't learn to integrate with our hard earned christian values before leeching off our welfare system the minute they step off the boat and cause our british house prices to fall with their criminal ways....etc etc"

HERE HRE lol

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By *rumCoupleCouple
over a year ago

birmingham

Seems some muslims don't know much about Islam.

Or would that be some wooly liberals who *think* they know about Islam ?

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By *dam_TinaCouple
over a year ago

Hampshire

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""A programme to vaccinate schoolchildren against flu has been delayed in Glasgow after concerns from Muslim parents that it contains products derived from pork."

That's ALL school kids NOT getting a potentially lifesaving vaccination because SOME parents think it MIGHT contain pork derived products."

DELAYED

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well that would b a serious issue to Muslims and we live in a multi cultural society. So your point is what precisely?

An issue maybe but end of day kids health at stake and the muslim leaders need to make clear their position so everyone can know they put religion beforw child welfare.

Regardless of whether pork is involved all thats needed is common sense and few prayers to allah will suffice if allah is all forgiving as they say when it suits.

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By *dam_TinaCouple
over a year ago

Hampshire

When the rabid right rant do the looney left laugh ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the negative instigators need a good porking .. that would sort them out lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""A programme to vaccinate schoolchildren against flu has been delayed in Glasgow after concerns from Muslim parents that it contains products derived from pork."

That's ALL school kids NOT getting a potentially lifesaving vaccination because SOME parents think it MIGHT contain pork derived products.

DELAYED"

Ty for highlighting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Seems some muslims don't know much about Islam.

Or would that be some wooly liberals who *think* they know about Islam ?"

I know virtually nothing about Islam or the Muslim lifestyle n I expect that for every extremist there are 10,000 (insert here your preferred percentage) moderates fitting perfectly well in2 our society.

If there is an issue of pork derivatives in the vaccine that would have to b addressed. If the NHS or govt has decided that NO OTHER section of society can meanwhile have the current vaccine then that is an issue one should take up with the relevant authorities n is not the fault of Muslims

Sheeeeesh where do folks ever get off the 'other different people' bashing bandwagon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When the rabid right rant do the looney left laugh ?"

No, we kind of shake our heads and weep while waiting to be put in internment camps.

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By *dam_TinaCouple
over a year ago

Hampshire

"When the rabid right rant do the looney left laugh ?

No, we kind of shake our heads and weep while waiting to be put in internment camps. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

mmmmmmmm I like Pork. Had some last week. Yum yum. Nice and tender.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

"When the rabid right rant do the looney left laugh ?

No, we kind of shake our heads and weep while waiting to be put in internment camps.

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would that be like the internment camps in socialist Russia?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The decision to deny all children is not being taken by the Muslims but the health Authorities. The Muslim kids should be left out of the programme if that is what their parents wish. The authorities should treat the rest.

In the end Religions, all religions, are social control mechanisms (like Governments) and all that is happening here is the Muslims are following their faith. Personally I would prefer an atheist world when judgements were made on tangible fact and balanced judgement based on the very latest evidence not the hearsay of 2000 years ago.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When the rabid right rant do the looney left laugh ?

No, we kind of shake our heads and weep while waiting to be put in internment camps.

I like you

would that be like the internment camps in socialist Russia?"

You mean the ones for dissidents, free thinkers, homosexuals etc, not unlike the ones the Nazis had?

Yes those, because when the extreme of any side win power bad things happen. Unfortunately the right always has the loudest voice as they just love appealling to peoples fear, and the fear drives people to vote for them.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

"When the rabid right rant do the looney left laugh ?

No, we kind of shake our heads and weep while waiting to be put in internment camps.

I like you

would that be like the internment camps in socialist Russia?

You mean the ones for dissidents, free thinkers, homosexuals etc, not unlike the ones the Nazis had?

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

This is an old story, well it his down here. They where interviewing parents outside the school gates

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By *wingerdelightCouple
over a year ago

eastliegh

the views of the few should never outway the views of the many no matter who they are

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By *ustyBrunette35Couple
over a year ago

birmingham

"the views of the few should never outway the views of the many no matter who they are"

Very true.

Which is why NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde should be ashamed of themselves

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Extreme left, extreme right. Both evil in my eyes."

Thats what I said.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not as bad as the ill informed morons who think jabs can cause autism

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

While I do get the sarcasm, it is of course a train of thought that, sadly, many will have.

I do vividly recall the fact that 20 years ago every 40+ in my town had to have a polio jab because this disease had recurred thanks to a whole group of die-hard Christians who had refused to have their offspring inoculated for years on heaven knows what appalling grounds. The jab I had as a child was considered no longer resistant to the new outburst of polio.

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By *i-shoptonMan
over a year ago

bishopton

"The decision to deny all children is not being taken by the Muslims but the health Authorities. The Muslim kids should be left out of the programme if that is what their parents wish. The authorities should treat the rest.

Hear hear!............

And as Ricky Gervais said at the Globes - "Thank God I'm an atheist!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's been delayed a week so that parents or children who wish to opt out of the nasal spray (with the sausage) can choose to have the injection instead (with quorn).

Stop getting your ill informed nickers in a twist

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"It's been delayed a week so that parents or children who wish to opt out of the nasal spray (with the sausage) can choose to have the injection instead (with quorn).

Stop getting your ill informed nickers in a twist

And in the meantime, if a child denied vaccination takes ill - or worse?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not read the whole thread.

Can't individuals simply opt out of having the vaccination?

Just send a letter out with yes/no on it and treat everyone accordingly. Or would the use of paper upset the greenies too much?

Why aren't these things simple anymore?

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Not read the whole thread.

Can't individuals simply opt out of having the vaccination?

Just send a letter out with yes/no on it and treat everyone accordingly. Or would the use of paper upset the greenies too much?

Why aren't these things simple anymore?"

Anyone can opt out for any daft reason that suits them but why would you put your child's life at risk?

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By *rumCoupleCouple
over a year ago

birmingham

"It's been delayed a week so that parents or children who wish to opt out of the nasal spray (with the sausage) can choose to have the injection instead (with quorn).

Stop getting your ill informed nickers in a twist

And in the meantime, if a child denied vaccination takes ill - or worse?"

Vaccinations don't work that way. They don't provide instant immunity. The idea is to cover such a percentage of the population to make it harder for an epidemic to spread. A vaccination makes it *less likely* a person will contract the disease, not guarantee they won't.

This is why when the vaccination *rate* for MMR dropped below whatever (80%) there was a risk of an epidemic in the general population. But hey, as long as little Johnnys parents felt they did the right thing who cares about anybody else.

Public health is, in my opinion, one of the greatest unsung saviours of modern life. Clean water. Decent sanitation, and a targeted programme of vaccinations have saved millions of lives, and prevented untold human misery due to death and disability. Which is why it was so irresponsible for it to be questioned by a tabloid-led media frenzy, rather than a carefully considered scientific study.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"It's been delayed a week so that parents or children who wish to opt out of the nasal spray (with the sausage) can choose to have the injection instead (with quorn).

Stop getting your ill informed nickers in a twist

And in the meantime, if a child denied vaccination takes ill - or worse?

Agreed, but the longer you put off being vaccinated, the more chance you have of getting 'flu - no matter what the Prophet says.

Let's be clear, we're not talking man-flu here. This could be the real killer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not read the whole thread.

Can't individuals simply opt out of having the vaccination?

Just send a letter out with yes/no on it and treat everyone accordingly. Or would the use of paper upset the greenies too much?

Why aren't these things simple anymore?

Anyone can opt out for any daft reason that suits them but why would you put your child's life at risk?

There are some parents who don't put the same value on the lives of their children as other parents do. Sad.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When the rabid right rant do the looney left laugh ?

No, we kind of shake our heads and weep while waiting to be put in internment camps.

I like you

would that be like the internment camps in socialist Russia?

You mean the ones for dissidents, free thinkers, homosexuals etc, not unlike the ones the Nazis had?

Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Not read the whole thread.

Can't individuals simply opt out of having the vaccination?

Just send a letter out with yes/no on it and treat everyone accordingly. Or would the use of paper upset the greenies too much?

Why aren't these things simple anymore?

Anyone can opt out for any daft reason that suits them but why would you put your child's life at risk?

There are some parents who don't put the same value on the lives of their children as other parents do. Sad."

It's (maybe) one thing putting your own child at risk but do they have the right to risk the rest of the herd?

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By *rumCoupleCouple
over a year ago

birmingham

"Not read the whole thread.

Can't individuals simply opt out of having the vaccination?

Just send a letter out with yes/no on it and treat everyone accordingly. Or would the use of paper upset the greenies too much?

Why aren't these things simple anymore?

Anyone can opt out for any daft reason that suits them but why would you put your child's life at risk?

There are some parents who don't put the same value on the lives of their children as other parents do. Sad.

It's (maybe) one thing putting your own child at risk but do they have the right to risk the rest of the herd?"

The irony is, but risking "the herd" they risk themselves.

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By *RYBBWCouple
over a year ago

Leeds.

"Not read the whole thread.

Can't individuals simply opt out of having the vaccination?

Just send a letter out with yes/no on it and treat everyone accordingly. Or would the use of paper upset the greenies too much?

Why aren't these things simple anymore?

Anyone can opt out for any daft reason that suits them but why would you put your child's life at risk?

There are some parents who don't put the same value on the lives of their children as other parents do. Sad."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's been delayed a week so that parents or children who wish to opt out of the nasal spray (with the sausage) can choose to have the injection instead (with quorn).

Stop getting your ill informed nickers in a twist

And in the meantime, if a child denied vaccination takes ill - or worse?

Agreed, but the longer you put off being vaccinated, the more chance you have of getting 'flu - no matter what the Prophet says.

Let's be clear, we're not talking man-flu here. This could be the real killer."

Quit scare-mongering. It is being done Monday.

NHS frontline staff get offered the flu jab(s) but have heard nothing in my area. It'll be this month though.

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

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Quit scare-mongering. It is being done Monday.

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I believe that's what they said in 1918.

A billion or so infected and 50-100 million dead.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Extreme left, extreme right. Both evil in my eyes."

this..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"........

Quit scare-mongering. It is being done Monday.

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I believe that's what they said in 1918.

A billion or so infected and 50-100 million dead."

Ok then you win and when the vaccination comes about and the rest of Britain's primary school children haven't been inoculated simply because they are only trialling it in Scotland, and they're all "ahem", you'll be a happy bunny?

Jeez and I thought women were drama queens

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When the rabid right rant do the looney left laugh ?

No, we kind of shake our heads and weep while waiting to be put in internment camps.

I like you

would that be like the internment camps in socialist Russia?

You mean the ones for dissidents, free thinkers, homosexuals etc, not unlike the ones the Nazis had?

Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering"

It may be rather hackneyed but yes. Never has a truer word been spoken by a little green man.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not read the whole thread.

Can't individuals simply opt out of having the vaccination?

Just send a letter out with yes/no on it and treat everyone accordingly. Or would the use of paper upset the greenies too much?

Why aren't these things simple anymore?

Anyone can opt out for any daft reason that suits them but why would you put your child's life at risk?

I wouldn't opt out, but there should always be the option to opt out for whatever farcical reasons people have.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

""A programme to vaccinate schoolchildren against flu has been delayed in Glasgow after concerns from Muslim parents that it contains products derived from pork."

That's ALL school kids NOT getting a potentially lifesaving vaccination because SOME parents think it MIGHT contain pork derived products."

Oh go on then. I'll bite.

Welcome to multiculturism.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let's toast a bacon sandwich to good health.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

""A programme to vaccinate schoolchildren against flu has been delayed in Glasgow after concerns from Muslim parents that it contains products derived from pork."

That's ALL school kids NOT getting a potentially lifesaving vaccination because SOME parents think it MIGHT contain pork derived products.

Oh go on then. I'll bite.

Welcome to multiculturism.

see... that is the daily mail sensationalist approach the OP has taken to posting stories.....

looked it this... what has actually happen is they the way it was actually going to deliver the vaccine (via a nasal type spray) contains Jellotine, which yes is a derivitive of pork... and it was not just the muslim parents who brought it up... it was also jewish parents and the school authorities....

so all that is happening is that there is a weeks delay so they can get the needle versions in so they can all be given it together.....

when the story is put like that.... its not so menacing...

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

You cannot blame the Muslims for this: blame the idiots stopping all children getting the flu jab/spray because some don't want it. Would they have stopped the MMR because some parents had concerns? Of course not.

If the flu vaccine is derived from pigs they can decline to let their children have it, but stop it all together? Madness!

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"Why the rabid right? Any decent caring parent of any political persuasion would say this is bollox. What's your opinion Onny?"

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"Well that would b a serious issue to Muslims and we live in a multi cultural society. So your point is what precisely?

An issue maybe but end of day kids health at stake and the muslim leaders need to make clear their position so everyone can know they put religion beforw child welfare.

Regardless of whether pork is involved all thats needed is common sense and few prayers to allah will suffice if allah is all forgiving as they say when it suits."

Jehovah Witnesses don't allow blood transfusions etc putting their childs health at stake and those I know pray to God for help when it suits, do your point is what?

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"Seems some muslims don't know much about Islam.

Or would that be some wooly liberals who *think* they know about Islam ?

Sheeeeesh where do folks ever get off the 'other different people' bashing bandwagon

Thank you! My views too!

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

""A programme to vaccinate schoolchildren against flu has been delayed in Glasgow after concerns from Muslim parents that it contains products derived from pork."

That's ALL school kids NOT getting a potentially lifesaving vaccination because SOME parents think it MIGHT contain pork derived products.

Oh go on then. I'll bite.

Welcome to multiculturism.

see... that is the daily mail sensationalist approach the OP has taken to posting stories.....

so all that is happening is that there is a weeks delay so they can get the needle versions in so they can all be given it together.....

when the story is put like that.... its not so menacing..."

Aaah, now I've got to the end of the thread different slant on the story than given by the op!

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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago

Retirement Village

Please ignore my post...

...I'm just tagging this thread so i can read through the lovely and delightful posts later. Had enough of the colourful & 'open minded' views of swingers from the halal meat thread.

Thank you for starting another race related thread OP, it reaffirms my beliefs on why i never will be part of this country

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By *rumCoupleCouple
over a year ago

birmingham

If the flu vaccine is derived from pigs they can decline to let their children have it, but stop it all together? Madness!"

The flu vaccine *is* derived from pigs, since it will cover swine flu too. People do know it's a cocktail of vaccines against the most common dangerous types of flu ?

Oh, and a milliseconds Wiki-ing gets:

The Qur'anic basis for the Islamic prohibition of pork can be found in suras 2:173, 5:3, 5:60, 6:145 and 16:115.

Chapter (Sura) 2 - Verse (Ayat) 173 Al-Baqara (The Cow)

"He has forbidden you only the Maitah (dead animals), and blood, and the flesh of swine, and that which is slaughtered as a sacrifice for others than Allah. But if one is forced by necessity, without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits, then there is no sin on him. Truly, Allah is Oft-forgiving Most Merciful."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Please ignore my post...

...I'm just tagging this thread so i can read through the lovely and delightful posts later. Had enough of the colourful & 'open minded' views of swingers from the halal meat thread.

Thank you for starting another race related thread OP, it reaffirms my beliefs on why i never will be part of this country

One swallow does not a summer make!

So don't include me in the 'other cultures' bashing cos they are welcome in Britain as far as I'm concerned

We busy bodied ourselves conquering other nations to create the biggest ever empire so now we have a situation where we have had to atone for former activities. Thus for every action there is a reaction

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Please ignore my post...

...I'm just tagging this thread so i can read through the lovely and delightful posts later. Had enough of the colourful & 'open minded' views of swingers from the halal meat thread.

Thank you for starting another race related thread OP, it reaffirms my beliefs on why i never will be part of this country

One swallow does not a summer make!

So don't include me in the 'other cultures' bashing cos they are welcome in Britain as far as I'm concerned

So the 'reaction' to Britain's Imperial past is to put children's lives at risk because of the supposed teachings of a non-existent sky fairy in fancy dress?

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

...and therein lies the rub!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Please ignore my post...

...I'm just tagging this thread so i can read through the lovely and delightful posts later. Had enough of the colourful & 'open minded' views of swingers from the halal meat thread.

Thank you for starting another race related thread OP, it reaffirms my beliefs on why i never will be part of this country

One swallow does not a summer make!

So don't include me in the 'other cultures' bashing cos they are welcome in Britain as far as I'm concerned

So the 'reaction' to Britain's Imperial past is to put children's lives at risk because of the supposed teachings of a non-existent sky fairy in fancy dress?"
that is a sweeping emotive farcical mythical statement that is not worthy of reply! Other than to state that no child of any colour or ethnicity is being put at risk - there is merely a short delay in activating vaccination. If you have an issue with the decision then that should be addressed to the relevant health authority and not the affected community

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By *r Mahogany70Man
over a year ago

Leicester

""A programme to vaccinate schoolchildren against flu has been delayed in Glasgow after concerns from Muslim parents that it contains products derived from pork."

That's ALL school kids NOT getting a potentially lifesaving vaccination because SOME parents think it MIGHT contain pork derived products.

Oh go on then. I'll bite.

Welcome to multiculturism.

see... that is the daily mail sensationalist approach the OP has taken to posting stories.....

so all that is happening is that there is a weeks delay so they can get the needle versions in so they can all be given it together.....

when the story is put like that.... its not so menacing...

Aaah, now I've got to the end of the thread different slant on the story than given by the op!

As I've often said, always best to read the whole thread before posting

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