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By *lentyoffun40 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire

How can a child starve to death in a major city in 21st century England ?

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By *RYBBWCouple
over a year ago

Leeds.

Have a Concervative led Government.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"How can a child starve to death in a major city in 21st century England ?"

Heartless parents, over-worked social services, uncaring public, and plain old bad luck.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Widespread public spending cuts coupled with huge corporate tax breaks

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

The Council Tax freeze won't have helped.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"Have a Concervative led Government."

yeah that will be it...

I was thinking more along the lines of cunts for a mother/father

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton

Social workers who simply don't care, neighbours who don't want to get involved - that poor little mite didn't deserve such a pitiful, short life. Z

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

and I dont use the C word too often, sometimes it just fits

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Have a Concervative led Government."

Balderdash.

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By *lentyoffun40 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire


"Social workers who simply don't care, neighbours who don't want to get involved - that poor little mite didn't deserve such a pitiful, short life. Z"

Social workers who don't care?

Wow ... And no mention of the mother??

Extraordinary statement

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

a pathetic excuse for a mother who should never have been blessed with being responsible for another life!

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By *ingleguy1973Man
over a year ago

peterborough


"The Council Tax freeze won't have helped."

So if Council Tax hadn't been frozen and gone up instead; that would have helped?

There was me thinking it was a parents responsibility to raise their offspring, nurture them, care for them, protect and feed them which has, and please correct me if I am wrong, got fuck all to do with Council Tax!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If referring to the child in Bradford

A combination of an appalling mother, neighbours too afraid to intervene and "professionals" too scared to do the ethically & morally right thing

This is not the first time bradford social services haven't put the child first

One person who comes out of this in a good light is the young policewoman who just thought things were wrong and had the moral courage to trust her judgement - well done her

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How can a child starve to death in a major city in 21st century England ?"

It was in the care of an alcohol user. Horrible drug.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Have a Concervative led Government."

Truly Unbelievable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Have a Concervative led Government.

yeah that will be it...

I was thinking more along the lines of cunts for a mother/father"

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By *lentyoffun40 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire

When social worker visited she said the child was well fed , clean and healthy looking

There see 3 marac meetings

Multi disciplinary meetings about domestic violence

School alerted police when they visited the home

The child was registered at a Gp but never attended once

The GP is the one that I think should have set alarm bells ringing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How can a child starve to death in a major city in 21st century England ?

It was in the care of an alcohol user. Horrible drug."

Oh good grief. Millions of parents are "users" and don't starve their babies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How can a child starve to death in a major city in 21st century England ?

It was in the care of an alcohol user. Horrible drug.

Oh good grief. Millions of parents are "users" and don't starve their babies. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Almost without exception, a single parent, invariably the mother.

Together with the monster that the "Welfare State" has become, inclusive of the "professional services" that prioritise themselves before their duties.

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By *lentyoffun40 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire


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Almost without exception, a single parent, invariably the mother.

Together with the monster that the "Welfare State" has become, inclusive of the "professional services" that prioritise themselves before their duties.

"

Explain your last comment?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's prudent to remember that in cases such as the little Bradford boy, it is actually the parents in these situations who are the ones who have killed the child, not the professionals, although practice can always be improved.

We live in a risk averse state, with finite/stretched resources in the health and social sector. Because of previous SCRs that are forever being generated because of these tragic situations, practice goes overboard. After baby P, referrals into duty social care teams rose by 70% which actually increased risk as you are then sifting through lots of cases with the same amount of staff. Same with health visiting. So a health visitor will receive notifications of EVERY child who has visited A&E/out of hours services. That can be 100s per day for a locality. This dilutes the actual impact a practitioner can make in a vulnerable area. The same with social care, thresholds exist and if the family/child don't meet the threshold, social care don't do anything. There is barely any capacity to deal with the complex cases that are explicitly known about.

There is no statutory health visiting enforcement, if a family doesn't want to let a health visitor into their home, they don't have to. Although it would raise suspicions. Same with failure of parents to present their child for immunisations without written refusal. All children not registered with GPs are known to health visitors and named health visitors should try and make contact with these parents to find out whats going on if they're not registered but yet again if there is no statutory enforcement to let a health visitor in and the threshold for social care is not met then it's tough to move on from that... It's so difficult in these cases, professionals are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Posted elsewhere, but i'll add it to here too :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-24365700

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How can a child starve to death in a major city in 21st century England ?

It was in the care of an alcohol user. Horrible drug.

Oh good grief. Millions of parents are "users" and don't starve their babies. "

No, millions of parents are social drinkers. A heavy user of any drug can kill by neglect.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"The Council Tax freeze won't have helped.

So if Council Tax hadn't been frozen and gone up instead; that would have helped?

There was me thinking it was a parents responsibility to raise their offspring, nurture them, care for them, protect and feed them which has, and please correct me if I am wrong, got fuck all to do with Council Tax!"

The Council tax freeze is the reason there aren't enough social workers (and cops and scaffies and lollipop ladies and ..........) to do the job properly.

You can't stop a parent, or anyone who is determined to kill a child but you CAN intervene to prevent neglect - provided you have the resources.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How many children have been saved by social services/ school/ gp's/ the police etc? Those stories won't be reported but I'm sure there will be loads of kids that have been saved.

I don't think it's fair to blame anyone apart from the evil mother/ father/ 'carer' in any of the recent tragic cases.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Here's a radical thought, how about the single mothers living at home with their parents and utilising that wonderful resource known as Grandparents?

The odd's of three adults allowing a child to starve to death or be assaulted to death must be very slim?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Here's a radical thought, how about the single mothers living at home with their parents and utilising that wonderful resource known as Grandparents?

The odd's of three adults allowing a child to starve to death or be assaulted to death must be very slim? "

Well, they could but it's a bit idealistic. Plus in my daily job I see lots of intergenerational problems so single mothers living with grandparents may not be the idealistic panacea you hoped... Mum and baby living with grandparents in the area I work would not always be conducive to safety or the best for the child. I think it's a sad indictment on society that we often live in such insular and isolated communities

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