FabSwingers.com forum: Campbell vs Dacre

By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Alastair Campbell challenged Paul Dacre on Newsnight to defend the Daily Mail's role in public life.

Now he has a petition on the go asking for Dacre to meet him in front of the cameras for a debate.

Are Dacre and Rothermere worried about what will be said about their parents?

Has Alastair Campbell taken this too far?

Is anyone signing his petition?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Neither Dacre nor Rothermere will accept.

Cowards both.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Neither Dacre nor Rothermere will accept.

Cowards both."

Agreed but Campbell is equally cowardly

More pertinently - why can't an experienced politician such as Ed Miliband capable of dealing with this without help

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

is campbell camped in with labour again?

yet another like to old, nu labour

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Alastair Campbell challenged Paul Dacre on Newsnight to defend the Daily Mail's role in public life.

Now he has a petition on the go asking for Dacre to meet him in front of the cameras for a debate.

Are Dacre and Rothermere worried about what will be said about their parents?

Has Alastair Campbell taken this too far?

Is anyone signing his petition?

yes please.... on newsnight the other night when the issue first started dacre sent his deputy to debate with campbell

campbell absolutely eviserated him....

havent seen anything that grusome since my favourite mp, Stella Creasy took apart resident lads mag toff toby young over the issue of iternet trolls...

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"is campbell camped in with labour again?

yet another like to old, nu labour"

Campbell never left the party as a member as far as I'm aware.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Alastair Campbell challenged Paul Dacre on Newsnight to defend the Daily Mail's role in public life.

Now he has a petition on the go asking for Dacre to meet him in front of the cameras for a debate.

Are Dacre and Rothermere worried about what will be said about their parents?

Has Alastair Campbell taken this too far?

Is anyone signing his petition?

yes please.... on newsnight the other night when the issue first started dacre sent his deputy to debate with campbell

campbell absolutely eviserated him....

havent seen anything that grusome since my favourite mp, Stella Creasy took apart resident lads mag toff toby young over the issue of iternet trolls..."

We watched it again last night after dinner so that we could discuss it.

I think Toby Young's father most turn in his grave so often that he might rise to the surface.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Neither Dacre nor Rothermere will accept.

Cowards both.

Agreed but Campbell is equally cowardly

More pertinently - why can't an experienced politician such as Ed Miliband capable of dealing with this without help "

"is campbell camped in with labour again?

yet another like to old, nu labour"

Yet again, those with no answers seek to change the subject.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"is campbell camped in with labour again?

yet another like to old, nu labour

Campbell never left the party as a member as far as I'm aware."

honestly didnt know he was a member, as such, but an employee (pr consultant/spin doctor, call them what you will)

but he isnt an mp though, no?

not changing the subject, _nny,raising a point and asking questions.

how else would one learn?

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"is campbell camped in with labour again?

yet another like to old, nu labour

Campbell never left the party as a member as far as I'm aware.

honestly didnt know he was a member, as such, but an employee (pr consultant/spin doctor, call them what you will)

but he isnt an mp though, no?

not changing the subject, _nny,raising a point and asking questions.

how else would one learn?"

He's not an MP - does he have to be to raise the question about the Mail's role in public life?

He was employed as the Labour spin merchant but he left, had his alcoholic phase, had a breakdown and returned to spin himself.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Rothermere has already begun to capitulate by authorising the editor of Mail on Sunday to "unreservedly" apologise "for a reporter intruding into a private memorial service" for Labour leader Ed Miliband's uncle.

Two tabloid scum have been suspended.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"........

He was employed as the Labour spin merchant but he left, had his alcoholic phase, had a breakdown and returned to spin himself."

You forgot to mention his worst crime against humanity - he plays the bagpipes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"is campbell camped in with labour again?

yet another like to old, nu labour

Campbell never left the party as a member as far as I'm aware.

honestly didnt know he was a member, as such, but an employee (pr consultant/spin doctor, call them what you will)

but he isnt an mp though, no?

not changing the subject, _nny,raising a point and asking questions.

how else would one learn?

He's not an MP - does he have to be to raise the question about the Mail's role in public life?

He was employed as the Labour spin merchant but he left, had his alcoholic phase, had a breakdown and returned to spin himself."

im sorry, i dint realise you would take the question so personally.

so, if you are a paid up member of the labour party, then you fight the leaders battles for him?

ok, i get it now.

well, im gonna join ukip and fight good old Goddfreys battle then lol

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

is campbell camped in with labour again?

yet another like to old, nu labour

Campbell never left the party as a member as far as I'm aware.

honestly didnt know he was a member, as such, but an employee (pr consultant/spin doctor, call them what you will)

but he isnt an mp though, no?

not changing the subject, _nny,raising a point and asking questions.

how else would one learn?

He's not an MP - does he have to be to raise the question about the Mail's role in public life?

He was employed as the Labour spin merchant but he left, had his alcoholic phase, had a breakdown and returned to spin himself.

im sorry, i dint realise you would take the question so personally.

so, if you are a paid up member of the labour party, then you fight the leaders battles for him?

ok, i get it now.

well, im gonna join ukip and fight good old Goddfreys battle then lol"

I haven't taken it personally - what on earth has given you that idea?

If what you meant was that only Miliband should challenge Dacre and/or Rothermere that's a different question to 'is he (Campbell) an MP?'. By what you say now it wouldn't matter if an MP made the challenge as only Miliband should in your view.

It's not at all personal to me. I've met some of the players but I don't know them. I'm just interested.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

I'm no fan of a The Daily Mail, by a long shot but the same question could also be asked of Alastair 'Malcolm Tucker' Campbell's role in public life, or at least the bullshit he used to spin for New Labour.

Or are we to assume he's one of the 'good guys' now, a bit like people did with loveable old William Hague, who has also come back and bit a few arses!

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I'm no fan of a The Daily Mail, by a long shot but the same question could also be asked of Alastair 'Malcolm Tucker' Campbell's role in public life, or at least the bullshit he used to spin for New Labour.

Or are we to assume he's one of the 'good guys' now, a bit like people did with loveable old William Hague, who has also come back and bit a few arses!"

It would be the only question I would ask "Tucker" Campbell if I was running the Mail.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"........loveable old William Hague, who has also come back and bit a few arses!"

He sits in Cabinet with quite a few too.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

Or are we to assume he's one of the 'good guys' now, a bit like people did with loveable old William Hague, who has also come back and bit a few arses!

It would be the only question I would ask "Tucker" Campbell if I was running the Mail."

Surely they're not that stupid that they wouldn't call him out on the 'kettle calling the pot black' issue?!

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Or are we to assume he's one of the 'good guys' now, a bit like people did with loveable old William Hague, who has also come back and bit a few arses!"

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Campbell may be a prize knob, but as long as he's making the Mail look like idiots, then he gets a pat on the back. Carry on, sir!

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"........loveable old William Hague, who has also come back and bit a few arses!

He sits in Cabinet with quite a few too."

He does but him and IDS have had the most Lazarus like rebirths and shown their true odious colours!

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

Or are we to assume he's one of the 'good guys' now, a bit like people did with loveable old William Hague, who has also come back and bit a few arses!

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Campbell may be a prize knob, but as long as he's making the Mail look like idiots, then he gets a pat on the back. Carry on, sir!"

The Chuckle Brothers could make the Mail look like idiots...

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Speaking of spin doctors (and changing the subject as approved by posters [above]).

It turns out Lynton Crosby, Cameron's chief spin doctor is using an offshore company in Malta (called Rutland) to 'manage' his tax affairs.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"Speaking of spin doctors (and changing the subject as approved by posters [above]).

It turns out Lynton Crosby, Cameron's chief spin doctor is using an offshore company in Malta (called Rutland) to 'manage' his tax affairs."

But that's just manipulating current taxation rules, not like those dirty benefit scroungers that cost the country upwards of three trillion pounds a year with their flat screen TV's and expensive sportswear from Sports Direct...

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Speaking of spin doctors (and changing the subject as approved by posters [above]).

It turns out Lynton Crosby, Cameron's chief spin doctor is using an offshore company in Malta (called Rutland) to 'manage' his tax affairs.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

I think anyone with any conscience at all should be asking the Daily Mail to defend their recent stance on attacking people who are dead for political reasons. Not that long ago they were complaining about people speaking ill of the dead after Margaret Thatchers death, so why is one OK to be attacked, and one isn't?

I must admit I would be happy to see Campbell debate with Dacre, but then I think the Daily Mail is a rag written by people considered too ridiculous to work at the Sport, so I may be biased.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Speaking of spin doctors (and changing the subject as approved by posters [above]).

It turns out Lynton Crosby, Cameron's chief spin doctor is using an offshore company in Malta (called Rutland) to 'manage' his tax affairs."

I'll try and steer us back on course.

Mail, Dacre, Campbell - fight?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I saw Campbell speak a few years ago when he did his one-man show. He was far more eloquent, intelligent and interesting than any of the many politicians I've seen.

The whole audience was eating out his hand by the end, despite him getting some boos when he spoke about Iraq.

At one point he was asked what he would change if he could only change one thing, and without hesitation said he would ban private schooling. Can you imagine a modern politician saying something so radical? Incidently, it got the biggest reception of the night.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

Most politicians are far more intelligent, interesting and eloquent once they move away from politics, the same goes for Campbell. He wouldn't have said the same about private schooling had he still been part of New Labours inner circle, so you're comparing oranges to apples

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By *ubble troubleCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

Campbell vs Dacre:

A variation on the "Two bald men arguing over a comb" needed...

How about "Two turds arguing over a sheet of bog roll"

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Campbell vs Dacre:

A variation on the "Two bald men arguing over a comb" needed...

How about "Two turds arguing over a sheet of bog roll""

There's one I've never heard before.

So you won't be signing his petition then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I signed petition this has nowt to do with politics anymore as mail on sunday has suspended two reporters for going to a milliband private family memorial for an uncle reporters wanted dirt for story this week.

Mail bosses say they were not authorised seems like the news of world scenario blaming rogue reporters.

Dacre and his boss are disgraceful and should be held to account. To their credit cameron, clegg and heseltine condemned the mail. Michael gove didnt then turns out his wife works for the mail. Says it all really.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just seen Maitliss/Campbell vs Staefel.

He did squirm a bit and quite rightly, but remembering some of the things Campbell did/said as a spin doctor it is a bit of a pot/kettle situation. However, I dont believe he ever said anything quite so vile.

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By *ubble troubleCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

Hmm, three trillion pounds...

Let's take the Dept Work and Pensions estimated figure for benefit fraud in 2012:

£1.2 billion

DWP estimate of its overpayments each year through its own mistakes:

£1.4 billion

Total: £2.6 billion the taxpayer should have kept in 2012.

Estimated amount of money due to British taxpayers lost through tax avoidance:

£5 billion

Inland Revenue estimate of the shortfall between what it is due and what it actually collects caused by error, tax avoidance and tax evasion:

£30 billion

So. That three trillion....

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

Hmm, three trillion pounds...

Let's take the Dept Work and Pensions estimated figure for benefit fraud in 2012:

£1.2 billion

DWP estimate of its overpayments each year through its own mistakes:

£1.4 billion

Total: £2.6 billion the taxpayer should have kept in 2012.

Estimated amount of money due to British taxpayers lost through tax avoidance:

£5 billion

Inland Revenue estimate of the shortfall between what it is due and what it actually collects caused by error, tax avoidance and tax evasion:

£30 billion

So. That three trillion....

Have your irony and sarcasm filters been switched off as you obviously recognised neither, or you've not bothered to read the other pinko, left-wing, liberal with a small 'l' shite I post on here!

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By *ubble troubleCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

"Campbell vs Dacre:

A variation on the "Two bald men arguing over a comb" needed...

How about "Two turds arguing over a sheet of bog roll"

There's one I've never heard before.

So you won't be signing his petition then?

Just as a broken clock tells the correct time twice a day, Campbell is right to lambast Dacre but I think he is also using this as a means to promote his latest book and get himself centre-stage again.

Of course the lazy-arsed producers at BBC News keep inviting him to speak on just about every programme (except possibly The Great British Bake-Off) when he has a book to flog as they have done since he got them to capitulate over the sexed-up dossier scandal, so it's no surprise really.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Campbell vs Dacre:

A variation on the "Two bald men arguing over a comb" needed...

How about "Two turds arguing over a sheet of bog roll"

There's one I've never heard before.

So you won't be signing his petition then?

Give him time and he'll be on Bake Off yet.

There's an idea... Campbell v Dacre Bake Off.

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By *ubble troubleCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

Have your irony and sarcasm filters been switched off as you obviously recognised neither, or you've not bothered to read the other pinko, left-wing, liberal with a small 'l' shite I post on here!"

The latter.

Can't say I am familiar with your oeuvre.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

So. That three trillion....

Have your irony and sarcasm filters been switched off as you obviously recognised neither, or you've not bothered to read the other pinko, left-wing, liberal with a small 'l' shite I post on here!"

Not everyone has read your blatherings. Your sarc-ony might have been clearer if you had used 3 squillion.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

Have your irony and sarcasm filters been switched off as you obviously recognised neither, or you've not bothered to read the other pinko, left-wing, liberal with a small 'l' shite I post on here!

The latter.

Can't say I am familiar with your oeuvre."

Damn, I'm not famous...

Just another left-wing gobshite that no one reads

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just another left-wing gobshite that no one reads

Could be worse. You could be Owen Jones.

Or even worse, Laurie Penny.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

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I wouldn't ban private schooling but I'd remove the charitable status many of them enjoy.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Dacre was probably feeling a bit smug having taken the limelight away from the Tory party conference and stuck the boot into Miliband..

seems to have backfired slightly with the latest disgusting actions by their sunday 'paper'..

as for the OP's question, Campbell would I believe tear him up for arsehole paper but then again most decent folk probably could over this...

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"..

I wouldn't ban private schooling but I'd remove the charitable status many of them enjoy."

I think a school in Scotland has just failed the public benefit test and is about to lose its status.

Back to Campbell/Dacre.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bear in mind, that however bad our press is, and i wont quantify that, a free press is a mainstay of a liberal democracy and acts as a balance against corrupt political processes and politicians.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Bear in mind, that however bad our press is, and i wont quantify that, a free press is a mainstay of a liberal democracy and acts as a balance against corrupt political processes and politicians.

That'd be OKish were it not for the fact parts of the press are corrupt themselves.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

QT is on now so it's bound to come up at some point. Although I always want to throw things at Shapps so I might have to switch off so that I still have a television before the question is asked.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bear in mind, that however bad our press is, and i wont quantify that, a free press is a mainstay of a liberal democracy and acts as a balance against corrupt political processes and politicians.

That'd be OKish were it not for the fact parts of the press are corrupt themselves.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"

Precisely, and therein lies the source.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Bear in mind, that however bad our press is, and i wont quantify that, a free press is a mainstay of a liberal democracy and acts as a balance against corrupt political processes and politicians.

That'd be OKish were it not for the fact parts of the press are corrupt themselves.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Precisely, and therein lies the source. "

The source of ............. ?

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Here we go on the Mail bit. Will they get to discussing the Campbell challenge?

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Rothermere's father has been raised.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Rothermere's father has been raised.

Not literally I hope!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Loving the audience reactions

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

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Quentin Letts raising Ed Balls in relation to his marriage to Yvette and their shopping.

Good lord! Is that him defending the defensible?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Quentin Letts raising Ed Balls in relation to his marriage to Yvette and their shopping.

Good lord! Is that him defending the defensible?

just watched last nights question time, medhi hasan's comment was brilliant... just destroyed him!..and the reaction of the audience....

I think his line about the daily mail at the end is going to stick with some people for a long long time.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Medhi was very impressive.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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"Medhi was very impressive."

agreed..

as usual pretty much spot on with his contributions..

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

HIGNFY have given the story their treatment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Medhi was very impressive.

agreed..

as usual pretty much spot on with his contributions..

Medhi Hassan has more in common with Dacre's conservatism than he cares to admit. Hassan is a religious and social conservative, maybe even a reactionary.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Check out Mehdi Hasan owning Quentin Letts on Question Time.

It's on YouTube.

2 minutes of sheer joy.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Then check out the same Mehdi Hasan praising Dacre's views on religion social conservatism in a letter he sent asking for a job at The Mail in 2010.

"The Mail has a vitally important role to play in the national debate."

"I am also attracted by the Mail’s social conservatism on issues like marriage, the family, abortion and teenage pregnancies"

Gobshite for hire, like most of the rest.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

The Now Show covered it all well.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Then check out the same Mehdi Hasan praising Dacre's views on religion social conservatism in a letter he sent asking for a job at The Mail in 2010.

"The Mail has a vitally important role to play in the national debate."

"I am also attracted by the Mail’s social conservatism on issues like marriage, the family, abortion and teenage pregnancies"

Gobshite for hire, like most of the rest."

Telling porkies to get a job (or, like some guys on Fab - to get a shag) is nothing unusual.

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