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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

not glenn, but the leader of the opposition.

wht is you opinion of him?

just seen him on the news denying the story about his dad being a marxist, or some other shite.

no idea if the story has foundation, or not (although the truth will be seen if he takes them to court or not)

but his denial of it just came across, to me, as he is a snivveling weasel of a man.

i really dont like him.

he scares me

he reminds me a B.liar.

and anyone that can stab his brother in the back to get up the ladder quicker, to me, is not to be trusted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can any politician be trusted these days?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

That's what happens when people don't read the whole story.

Miliband Senior WAS a Marxist. Nobody has denied it. My own Grandfather had Marxist leanings.

The accusation being disputed is that he hated Britain. This is a man who served in the Royal Navy during WWII.

Can you imagine the outcry if any other veteran was so accused.

PS, the old guy is dead so can't defend himself or take legal action.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't Judge someone because of their father's views as they are not the same person.

Judge him on the now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Don't Judge someone because of their father's views as they are not the same person.

Judge him on the now."

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Don't Judge someone because of their father's views as they are not the same person.

Judge him on the now."

ih, please dont take the thread as im judging him by his fathers political views, otherwise i would be a modern day victor meldrew lol.

i was just looking at him, and listening to him, and the smile, the words, the voice, it really is B.liar mk2

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

an article in a 'paper' who actively supported Hitler, Mussolini and Mosley at the same time it refers to..

that's not news..

the lad served this country in WW2..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

not a fan of milliband and in my opinion hes the weakest leader labour has had since michael foot.hes very unconvincing and he looks and talks like a tory .i think if labour had picked anyone else as leader the next election would be in the bag by now but with this guy in charge the unthinkable could happen and we could have another coalition government

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

If only he was more like his dad, he might make a decent politician!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i wouldnt mind having sex with him.

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By *quirrelMan
over a year ago

East Manchester

Milliband comes accross as a guppy in tank full of pirranhas. He is more caretaker then leader, just filling in until someone better takes the job off him.

His policies are to make promises which are in tune with a small minority, but if you examine his choice of words and their true meaning they dont really hold out much hope. He uses wordplay to make it seem he is going to make changes but "looking into" is not the same as actually changing it and thats what fills his public speeches.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"Don't Judge someone because of their father's views as they are not the same person.

Judge him on the now."

Normally I would agree with that, but in this case it is Milliband himself who introduced his father into fray. Anyone with aspirations to become PM who vows to protect his fathers legacy cannot argue when that legacy is scrutinised.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"That's what happens when people don't read the whole story.

Miliband Senior WAS a Marxist. Nobody has denied it. My own Grandfather had Marxist leanings.

The accusation being disputed is that he hated Britain. This is a man who served in the Royal Navy during WWII.

Can you imagine the outcry if any other veteran was so accused.

PS, the old guy is dead so can't defend himself or take legal action."

So is Jimmy Saville.

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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago

Retirement Village

I wouldn't judge a person by their bloodline but at the same time the upbringing comes into question. I suppose the question is if a child is raised by an adult who has certain views (whatever they may be) would they 'rub off' on the child

As for the question of trusting him NO FRIGGIN WAY!!! He does stink of Blairism

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hello all,

since his speech at the Labour conference where he promised to freeze energy prices, I feel that is cynical in the extreme, as that is simply a bribe to the electorate and hypocritical as when he was energy secretary he implemented the renewable energy subsidies that put our energy costs up by so much.

I know he's a politician but even by their standards that is pretty poor.

Alec

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

I'm reassured by the number of people who feel the need to play the man and not the ball.

Maybe Red Ed has something going for him after all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i am not keen on any members of parliament whether their persuasion be left, right or dead centre.

they are mere puppets or figure heads who are only in it for their own financial gain and to massage their own egos

the mechanism of government functions on a daily basis without their involvement.

if we really want what is best for this country then perhaps we should pick the government of the day from all the elected MPS and not just the biggest party of that time.

then we could have people in charge of departments of government who were specialists in that field and not some oxbridge graduate who won at the debating society (and that's from all parties).

the question is why do we need 650 MPS (that's 1 for every 92,000 people) each earning a basic salary of seeing£65,738 plus allowances.

what chance have i got of seeing my MP,none therefore why don't we have one for the west midlands instead of the following :

10 for Birmingham

3 for wolverhampton

2 for west bromwich

2 for walsall

2 for dudley

19 x 65,738 = £1,249.022 per year.

pay one person £249,022 per year and save £1 million a year.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've met him. Nice bloke, comes across as very sincere.

But I can't see Labour winning under him. They need to switch, and quickly.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"I've met him. Nice bloke, comes across as very sincere.

But I can't see Labour winning under him. They need to switch, and quickly."

Now I'm even more convinced he's the right man for the job.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"............

what chance have i got of seeing my MP,none therefore why don't we have one for the west midlands instead of the following :

10 for Birmingham

3 for wolverhampton

2 for west bromwich

2 for walsall

2 for dudley

19 x 65,738 = £1,249.022 per year.

pay one person £249,022 per year and save £1 million a year.

"

How does reducing the number of MPs increase your chance of seeing one?

This was the bampot thinking behind creating constituency MSPs and list MSPs for the Scottish Parliament.

What happens in practice is that people email all 5 or 6 MSPs for their area and set all of them off chasing the info and possible publicity.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"............

what chance have i got of seeing my MP,none therefore why don't we have one for the west midlands instead of the following :

10 for Birmingham

3 for wolverhampton

2 for west bromwich

2 for walsall

2 for dudley

19 x 65,738 = £1,249.022 per year.

pay one person £249,022 per year and save £1 million a year.

How does reducing the number of MPs increase your chance of seeing one?

This was the bampot thinking behind creating constituency MSPs and list MSPs for the Scottish Parliament.

What happens in practice is that people email all 5 or 6 MSPs for their area and set all of them off chasing the info and possible publicity."

dont think he said anything about it increasing his chances of meeting one, but for the cost of NOT being able to already, it would make sense for it to cost less

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

I can only repeat what he said "what chance have i got of seeing my MP".

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I can only repeat what he said "what chance have i got of seeing my MP".

"

the full quote being

what chance have i got of seeing my MP,none therefore why don't we have one for the west midlands instead of the following

it really is simple to see

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i wouldnt mind having sex with him."

Yeah ME tooo - boy that guy is cute

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I can only repeat what he said "what chance have i got of seeing my MP".

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"I can only repeat what he said "what chance have i got of seeing my MP".

the full quote being

what chance have i got of seeing my MP,none therefore why don't we have one for the west midlands instead of the following

it really is simple to see"

That just makes it worse.

Instead of the however many there are now, lets just have one ' 'cos that'll increase my chances of seeing my MP'.

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By *wingerdelightCouple
over a year ago

eastliegh


"............

what chance have i got of seeing my MP,none therefore why don't we have one for the west midlands instead of the following :

10 for Birmingham

3 for wolverhampton

2 for west bromwich

2 for walsall

2 for dudley

19 x 65,738 = £1,249.022 per year.

pay one person £249,022 per year and save £1 million a year.

How does reducing the number of MPs increase your chance of seeing one?

This was the bampot thinking behind creating constituency MSPs and list MSPs for the Scottish Parliament.

What happens in practice is that people email all 5 or 6 MSPs for their area and set all of them off chasing the info and possible publicity."

Why would you need to see your Mp in 43 years I've never felt the need!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I can only repeat what he said "what chance have i got of seeing my MP".

the full quote being

what chance have i got of seeing my MP,none therefore why don't we have one for the west midlands instead of the following

it really is simple to see

That just makes it worse.

Instead of the however many there are now, lets just have one ' 'cos that'll increase my chances of seeing my MP'. "

how are you reading that?

where does it say it would increase his chances??

what he is saying is it costs 1 1/4 million a year for him not to be able to see an mp, so if he isnt going to be able to see one, why not cut them down so it 'only' costs 1/4 of a million not to.

jesus!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I can only repeat what he said "what chance have i got of seeing my MP".

"

sorry it was a rant therefore some of it got lost in the translation i do not see why walsall dudley or west bromwich would require 2 MPS each and wolverhampton requiring 3 with Birmingham needing 10 it seems a total waste of money.

its impossible to see them now so what difference would it make if we increased their areas of responsibility

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"............

what chance have i got of seeing my MP,none therefore why don't we have one for the west midlands instead of the following :

10 for Birmingham

3 for wolverhampton

2 for west bromwich

2 for walsall

2 for dudley

19 x 65,738 = £1,249.022 per year.

pay one person £249,022 per year and save £1 million a year.

How does reducing the number of MPs increase your chance of seeing one?

This was the bampot thinking behind creating constituency MSPs and list MSPs for the Scottish Parliament.

What happens in practice is that people email all 5 or 6 MSPs for their area and set all of them off chasing the info and possible publicity.

Why would you need to see your Mp in 43 years I've never felt the need!"

that's my point so give them a larger area of responsibility and cut the costs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've met him. Nice bloke, comes across as very sincere.

But I can't see Labour winning under him. They need to switch, and quickly.

Now I'm even more convinced he's the right man for the job."

Never had you down as a Tory.

I hope I'm wrong because I think they're too scared to change leaders. But I suspect not.

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By *wingerdelightCouple
over a year ago

eastliegh


"............

what chance have i got of seeing my MP,none therefore why don't we have one for the west midlands instead of the following :

10 for Birmingham

3 for wolverhampton

2 for west bromwich

2 for walsall

2 for dudley

19 x 65,738 = £1,249.022 per year.

pay one person £249,022 per year and save £1 million a year.

How does reducing the number of MPs increase your chance of seeing one?

This was the bampot thinking behind creating constituency MSPs and list MSPs for the Scottish Parliament.

What happens in practice is that people email all 5 or 6 MSPs for their area and set all of them off chasing the info and possible publicity.

Why would you need to see your Mp in 43 years I've never felt the need!

that's my point so give them a larger area of responsibility and cut the costs."

And if you did get to see one he/she would tell you what you want to hear and then do nothing about your problem. I'm not sure why we need them

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"..............

And if you did get to see one he/she would tell you what you want to hear and then do nothing about your problem. I'm not sure why we need them "

That may well have been what Miliband Senior thought about democracy was practised in the UK.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

as, not was.

Sorry

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That's what happens when people don't read the whole story.

Miliband Senior WAS a Marxist. Nobody has denied it. My own Grandfather had Marxist leanings.

The accusation being disputed is that he hated Britain. This is a man who served in the Royal Navy during WWII.

Can you imagine the outcry if any other veteran was so accused.

PS, the old guy is dead so can't defend himself or take legal action."

THIS??

Stems from a piece written in that bag of utter monkey wank, the dailycunt.

He was allowed to write a reply to their accusation. How very nice of them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let's just be honest...

It should have been his brother leading the party.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"..............

And if you did get to see one he/she would tell you what you want to hear and then do nothing about your problem. I'm not sure why we need them

That may well have been what Miliband Senior thought about democracy was practised in the UK."

we need them just not so many in my opinion i know there are moves to cut the number down to 600 however this is to many.

in business you assess and cut expenditure when times are hard well this parliament is a business which as presided over massive cuts to pensions wages etc in the public sector however they are public sector workers who have resisted cuts to their numbers and benefits.

i say let them lead by example as we are all in this together

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Any sign of the Tories condemning the article?

No, I thought not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whether his father was a Marxist or had Marxist sympathies I'm not aware that this has ever been illegal in Britain.

My father was a blood red bigoted racist n sexist to boot

By contrast I'm totally against racism, sexism an most likely any other ism u care to mention so I can't see how in any way young Ed is to be besmirched by 'whatever' his father was!

One may grow up in a certain environment but it doesn't mean the mantle is necessarily picked up by the next generation

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling


"That's what happens when people don't read the whole story.

Miliband Senior WAS a Marxist. Nobody has denied it. My own Grandfather had Marxist leanings.

The accusation being disputed is that he hated Britain. This is a man who served in the Royal Navy during WWII.

Can you imagine the outcry if any other veteran was so accused.

PS, the old guy is dead so can't defend himself or take legal action.

So is Jimmy Saville."

This is one if these "wtf" moments. WTF has a jimmy Saville got to do with a dead Marxist? That really us beyond believe. This man died, he was a lecturer and Marxist, he served in the RN during WW2, he escaped nazi persecution, as his family were Jewish, and you bring in Saville!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That's what happens when people don't read the whole story.

Miliband Senior WAS a Marxist. Nobody has denied it. My own Grandfather had Marxist leanings.

The accusation being disputed is that he hated Britain. This is a man who served in the Royal Navy during WWII.

Can you imagine the outcry if any other veteran was so accused.

PS, the old guy is dead so can't defend himself or take legal action.

THIS??

Stems from a piece written in that bag of utter monkey wank, the dailycunt.

He was allowed to write a reply to their accusation. How very nice of them."

the daily cunt

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"..............

PS, the old guy is dead so can't defend himself or take legal action.

So is Jimmy Saville.

This is one if these "wtf" moments. WTF has a jimmy Saville got to do with a dead Marxist? That really us beyond believe. This man died, he was a lecturer and Marxist, he served in the RN during WW2, he escaped nazi persecution, as his family were Jewish, and you bring in Saville! "

It's a common internet tactic when you've nothing of sense or consequence to add.

Throw in a complete red herring and hope nobody notices the stink.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

please, i am NOT questioning Millerband because of his fathers political views, or indeed not so.

just as the man himself, comes across as a very distrustful individual

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He is a twunt

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"He is a twunt "
in the interests of equality, I think he's fab!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He is a twunt in the interests of equality, I think he's fab! "

says the champagne socialist..

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"He is a twunt in the interests of equality, I think he's fab!

says the champagne socialist.. "

Probably British champagne

OK, I know you can't actually CALL it British champagne but all you Euro-haters should rejoice that it even exists.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Private Eye have been running a cartoon based on Mr Bean with Miliband playing Milibean (including teddy bear). Every episode it shows everyone else in the party plotting to bump him off whilst he is totally oblivious to and clueless about, well, everything.

Cameron stars in Dave Snooty and chums, where some tory messes everything up for him by giving the game away behind his well meaning platitudes. 'Beano Boris' in a Dennis the Menace jersey generally gets the final word.

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"i wouldnt mind having sex with him.

Yeah ME tooo - boy that guy is cute "

If they win the next election he'll be fucking each and every one of us! Lol

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"He is a twunt in the interests of equality, I think he's fab!

says the champagne socialist..

Probably British champagne

OK, I know you can't actually CALL it British champagne but all you Euro-haters should rejoice that it even

exists."

I have tried some British sparkling wine 'champagnoise' and it was very delicious. Hurrah for Europe! And the French!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well I'm wondering just how Ed plans on introducing socialist policies into the UK.

I mean the treasury is at it's limit as it is and if he followed those ideas then that might make things unmanageable.

And of course there's the private debt most of us have which depreciates the GDP a bit.

So I wonder if he's maybe pulling a fast one for public support.

Also I would cast judgement on him because of his father but I would look for proof that he's got his own ideas a bit more closely.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

From Ed.

"On Saturday and last night the Daily Mail printed stories about my Dad. The headlines called him “The man who hated Britain.”

There was a time when politicians stayed silent if this kind of thing happened, in the hope that it wouldn’t happen again. I will not do that.

This isn’t about me and my family – this is about doing what’s right.

Speak up for decency in British politics, and add your name to mine.

It is perfectly legitimate for the Daily Mail to talk about my father’s politics but when they say that he hated Britain, I was not willing to put up with that.

My father loved Britain. After he arrived in Britain as a refugee from Nazi Germany, he joined the Royal Navy. He did so because he was determined to be part of the fight against the Nazis and to help his family hidden in Belgium. He was fighting for Britain.

Britain was a source of hope and comfort for my dad, not hatred. He loved Britain for the security it offered his family and the gentle decency of our nation.

The simple truth is something has really gone wrong when a newspaper attacks the family of a politician - any politician - in this way.

I won’t stay silent when it happens – that’s why I have written a reply in today’s Mail. I hope you take a moment to read it, and then say you won’t stay silent either. We can be better than this."

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"That's what happens when people don't read the whole story.

Miliband Senior WAS a Marxist. Nobody has denied it. My own Grandfather had Marxist leanings.

The accusation being disputed is that he hated Britain. This is a man who served in the Royal Navy during WWII.

Can you imagine the outcry if any other veteran was so accused.

PS, the old guy is dead so can't defend himself or take legal action."

me and you don't always agree... but well said

in this case the daily mail have been disgrace... attack the man, attack the politics, but don't attack the mans family... especially someone who isn't able to defend themselves...

way too far!!!

the lowest of the low and now the daily mail are beginning to squirm.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

AND THE POINT OF THE LEVERSON ENQUIRY WAS?????????

Utterly despicable behaviour even by the tawdry standards endemic at the mail.

This was the sort of thing Hitler's Germany indulged in!

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

i dont like the mail .. horrid rag .. the stunt has backfired cos milliband has took the attention from the tory party conference .. as for milliband .. i cant understand one word that bloke says .. who elected him as a leader

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

its the joys of having a so called FREE PRESS

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally I think Milliband is a rare breed. He's clearly very clever, moreso than Blair, and whereas he might seem to lack the same social skills, his greatest problem is Cameron acting like such a bratty socialite, blaming Milliband's party for shit the Tories are to blame for now if not Blair and Brown's PAST administration (past as in 'in the past' and no longer accountable for).

He's fucked really, by all odds, which I think is cruel. I believe he's the only credible party leader that can out Cameron's party as the idiots the majority of them are, HOWEVER, I don't believe now is his time, only if he fails now, he will have this stigma for the rest of his political career, which will ruin his chances of reaching his full potential.

Calling his dad a Marxist? REALLY? That's the extent of smearing Milliband's reputation they can come up with? Hoping he'll make a fool of himself? It goes to show how immature the government and many of their followers really are.

And THAT is why I don't vote. Because you can call Milliband a snivelling weasel type, but at the end of the day, the majority of them are and they don't do it for their voters, they do it for their reputations in the eyes of immediate peers.

Cameron claims to be for the people that "just want to get on..."

The fuck does that mean? I don't see anybody getting on. I just see fat old babies in business suits!

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Don't Judge someone because of their father's views as they are not the same person.

Judge him on the now.

ih, please dont take the thread as im judging him by his fathers political views, otherwise i would be a modern day victor meldrew lol.

i was just looking at him, and listening to him, and the smile, the words, the voice, it really is B.liar mk2"

Poor old Egg Miliband, when ever i see him or hear him speak, his voice and mannerisms just reminds me of Wallace from the Wallace and gromit cartoons......"Got any cheese Gromit?"

Really not a man i would vote for.

Lol.

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By *ingleguy1973Man
over a year ago

peterborough


"From Ed.

"On Saturday and last night the Daily Mail printed stories about my Dad. The headlines called him “The man who hated Britain.”

There was a time when politicians stayed silent if this kind of thing happened, in the hope that it wouldn’t happen again. I will not do that.

This isn’t about me and my family – this is about doing what’s right.

Speak up for decency in British politics, and add your name to mine.

It is perfectly legitimate for the Daily Mail to talk about my father’s politics but when they say that he hated Britain, I was not willing to put up with that.

My father loved Britain. After he arrived in Britain as a refugee from Nazi Germany, he joined the Royal Navy. He did so because he was determined to be part of the fight against the Nazis and to help his family hidden in Belgium. He was fighting for Britain.

Britain was a source of hope and comfort for my dad, not hatred. He loved Britain for the security it offered his family and the gentle decency of our nation.

The simple truth is something has really gone wrong when a newspaper attacks the family of a politician - any politician - in this way.

I won’t stay silent when it happens – that’s why I have written a reply in today’s Mail. I hope you take a moment to read it, and then say you won’t stay silent either. We can be better than this."

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If you read all that Milliband said not just quote the bits that suit your political leanings... he basically said he believed in the same things as his father.

Which is fair enough, however his father was by his own admission a marxist who joined the Navy to fight Hitler, not out of loyalty to his new found homeland.

His father also said that he wished sometimes that this country would lose the war and therefore the Empire which he saw as a fitting punishment for our colonial past.

I'm not sticking up for Milliband or am I sticking up for the Daily Mail but there are two sides to every arguement.

Personally, I wouldn't trust him anymore than I would trust Cameron. But when it comes to voting, I'd sooner the country is run by politicians than the unions.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

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If Ed's dad is fair game in the media, does that mean Cameron's deceased disabled son is fair game too?

No, I thought not.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Newsnight.

Dacre's arsewipe getting a good verbal kicking.

Rothermere's support for Fascists been raised.

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over a year ago


"From Ed.

"On Saturday and last night the Daily Mail printed stories about my Dad. The headlines called him “The man who hated Britain.”

There was a time when politicians stayed silent if this kind of thing happened, in the hope that it wouldn’t happen again. I will not do that.

This isn’t about me and my family – this is about doing what’s right.

Speak up for decency in British politics, and add your name to mine.

It is perfectly legitimate for the Daily Mail to talk about my father’s politics but when they say that he hated Britain, I was not willing to put up with that.

My father loved Britain. After he arrived in Britain as a refugee from Nazi Germany, he joined the Royal Navy. He did so because he was determined to be part of the fight against the Nazis and to help his family hidden in Belgium. He was fighting for Britain.

Britain was a source of hope and comfort for my dad, not hatred. He loved Britain for the security it offered his family and the gentle decency of our nation.

The simple truth is something has really gone wrong when a newspaper attacks the family of a politician - any politician - in this way.

I won’t stay silent when it happens – that’s why I have written a reply in today’s Mail. I hope you take a moment to read it, and then say you won’t stay silent either. We can be better than this."

If you read all that Milliband said not just quote the bits that suit your political leanings... he basically said he believed in the same things as his father.

Which is fair enough, however his father was by his own admission a marxist who joined the Navy to fight Hitler, not out of loyalty to his new found homeland.

His father also said that he wished sometimes that this country would lose the war and therefore the Empire which he saw as a fitting punishment for our colonial past.

I'm not sticking up for Milliband or am I sticking up for the Daily Mail but there are two sides to every arguement.

Personally, I wouldn't trust him anymore than I would trust Cameron. But when it comes to voting, I'd sooner the country is run by politicians than the unions."
A good point there it makes you think about why people go into politics. Trust wise well I struggle with annoy of them but you have a good point or so there.

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The complete bunch of cunts at the daily mail have lowered the standards of the term gutter press to a new depth.

Everything about the paper fucking stinks.

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over a year ago

Anyone got the footage of him wailing "It's a lie, it's a lie" when warmongering Blair stated Iraq had WMD ready to use in 45 mins? Thought not.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

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"

Anyone got the footage of him wailing "It's a lie, it's a lie" when warmongering Blair stated Iraq had WMD ready to use in 45 mins? Thought not.

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Any footage of you shouting the same?

Thought not.

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Imagine if after starting this smear campaign a picture of the current owner of the Dailly Mail's father posing with Adolf Hitler in the 1930's was to surface...

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over a year ago


"Don't Judge someone because of their father's views as they are not the same person.

Judge him on the now.

ih, please dont take the thread as im judging him by his fathers political views, otherwise i would be a modern day victor meldrew lol.

i was just looking at him, and listening to him, and the smile, the words, the voice, it really is B.liar mk2

Poor old Egg Miliband, when ever i see him or hear him speak, his voice and mannerisms just reminds me of Wallace from the Wallace and gromit cartoons......"Got any cheese Gromit?"

Really not a man i would vote for.

Lol. "

i agree on how he looks and sounds however isn't it what he says and what he does.

if its on looks i vote for a coalition of susanna Reid and Rachel riley

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over a year ago

Refrences to having served in the RN... did he volunteer or called up like every other.... and what did he actually do in the RN....

Marxism, communist socialism and where all activities are controled by the state is a failed method of running a country.

The government should run nothing, but manage laws and rules to make sure there is a fair and even playing field, for all.

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"Refrences to having served in the RN... did he volunteer or called up like every other.... and what did he actually do in the RN....

Marxism, communist socialism and where all activities are controled by the state is a failed method of running a country.

The government should run nothing, but manage laws and rules to make sure there is a fair and even playing field, for all."

They dont call him Red Ed for nothing. Socialism is a sad joke that has been going on for far too long. The lazy and feckless punishing the strivers and successful

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About as likely to win an election as Michael Foot or Neil Kinnock. If they want a chance they need a real leader not a party puppet.

Also, the population has the least trust ever of politically motivated people after the expenses scandal and Blair making it all up. Feathering there own nests, not interested in the welfare of the country at all ....

Very likely nobody turns up to vote except the radicals, BNP or UKIP could end up running the show ... Then well see unemployment like we've never known!!

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By *ingleguy1973Man
over a year ago

peterborough

Has anyone actually bothered to read the article in the Mail or just jumped on the bandwagon? For the last 2 Labour conferences, Milliband has made reference to his father and the way he has influenced his own political views etc. So without wanting to sound childish... he started it! Having read the article, it is not an attack on Ralph Milliband the man. It is an attack on his politics.

For those that haven't read the article... Ralph Milliband is not your average man in the street. He was an academic, author and a fervent marxist. He dispised much of what we as a nation stand for and was often open in his criticism of the country. He wanted to turn the country into something similar to Soviet Russia under Stalin. Gulag or concentration camp, Hitler or Stalin... not much difference either way.

So given the influence Milliband Senior has had on his son and his politics, I think we as a nation have a right to know that he is a closet marxist before we vote for him.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

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"Has anyone actually bothered to read the article in the Mail or just jumped on the bandwagon? For the last 2 Labour conferences, Milliband has made reference to his father and the way he has influenced his own political views etc. So without wanting to sound childish... he started it! Having read the article, it is not an attack on Ralph Milliband the man. It is an attack on his politics.

For those that haven't read the article... Ralph Milliband is not your average man in the street. He was an academic, author and a fervent marxist. He dispised much of what we as a nation stand for and was often open in his criticism of the country. He wanted to turn the country into something similar to Soviet Russia under Stalin. Gulag or concentration camp, Hitler or Stalin... not much difference either way.

So given the influence Milliband Senior has had on his son and his politics, I think we as a nation have a right to know that he is a closet marxist before we vote for him."

Which is pretty much what I said earlier in the thread.

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"Has anyone actually bothered to read the article in the Mail or just jumped on the bandwagon? For the last 2 Labour conferences, Milliband has made reference to his father and the way he has influenced his own political views etc. So without wanting to sound childish... he started it! Having read the article, it is not an attack on Ralph Milliband the man. It is an attack on his politics.

For those that haven't read the article... Ralph Milliband is not your average man in the street. He was an academic, author and a fervent marxist. He dispised much of what we as a nation stand for and was often open in his criticism of the country. He wanted to turn the country into something similar to Soviet Russia under Stalin. Gulag or concentration camp, Hitler or Stalin... not much difference either way.

So given the influence Milliband Senior has had on his son and his politics, I think we as a nation have a right to know that he is a closet marxist before we vote for him."

I've never voted labour (yet) NOR read such a load of UTTER TOSH

Ed Miliband is our MOST experienced current politician has a doctorate and is a professor. As a man I am convinced he is able to weigh up and balance an argument to infer he is just a mouthpiece from his antecedent is ridiculous in the extreme!! We don't all accept hook line n sinker the mutterings of our parents n I'm damn sure Ed M. doesn't either

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

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"Has anyone actually bothered to read the article in the Mail or just jumped on the bandwagon? For the last 2 Labour conferences, Milliband has made reference to his father and the way he has influenced his own political views etc. So without wanting to sound childish... he started it! Having read the article, it is not an attack on Ralph Milliband the man. It is an attack on his politics.

For those that haven't read the article... Ralph Milliband is not your average man in the street. He was an academic, author and a fervent marxist. He dispised much of what we as a nation stand for and was often open in his criticism of the country. He wanted to turn the country into something similar to Soviet Russia under Stalin. Gulag or concentration camp, Hitler or Stalin... not much difference either way.

So given the influence Milliband Senior has had on his son and his politics, I think we as a nation have a right to know that he is a closet marxist before we vote for him.

I've never voted labour (yet) NOR read such a load of UTTER TOSH

Ed Miliband is our MOST experienced current politician has a doctorate and is a professor. As a man I am convinced he is able to weigh up and balance an argument to infer he is just a mouthpiece from his antecedent is ridiculous in the extreme!! We don't all accept hook line n sinker the mutterings of our parents n I'm damn sure Ed M. doesn't either "

If we were talking about David Milliband I would agree with you. However Ed is a totally different being from his brother.

While David has distanced himself from his fathers beliefs Ed has (in his last two conference speeches) spoken about his fathers influence on him, and how he will protect his fathers legacy.

When coming from someone with aspirations to become Prime Minister I think it is only right that the beliefs and legacy of the father should be scrutinised.

I also find it quite ironic that many of the people playing the "don't speak ill of the dead" card on this one were quite happy to pop Champagne corks to celebrate the death of Lady Thatcher.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Yep. Ed's definitely got a lot of Tory leaning folk worried about May 2015.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Has anyone actually bothered to read the article in the Mail or just jumped on the bandwagon? For the last 2 Labour conferences, Milliband has made reference to his father and the way he has influenced his own political views etc. So without wanting to sound childish... he started it! Having read the article, it is not an attack on Ralph Milliband the man. It is an attack on his politics.

For those that haven't read the article... Ralph Milliband is not your average man in the street. He was an academic, author and a fervent marxist. He dispised much of what we as a nation stand for and was often open in his criticism of the country. He wanted to turn the country into something similar to Soviet Russia under Stalin. Gulag or concentration camp, Hitler or Stalin... not much difference either way.

So given the influence Milliband Senior has had on his son and his politics, I think we as a nation have a right to know that he is a closet marxist before we vote for him."

and as someone else mentioned.... david cameron mentions his father, so when Cameron snr name was brought up in regards to tax evasion, should that be then ligitimately used as an attack on the PM????

after all.... if you want to use your arguement, wouldn't some of that have rubbed off on the son??????

and if you say that family are now fair game, just how far and wide in the family tree are now allowed to be used????

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over a year ago


"

Ed Miliband is our MOST experienced current politician has a doctorate and is a professor. "

how is Ed Millibland our most experienced politician??

arent there ones that have been around longer, been involved in more and so on?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

It turns out Michael (the speccy **** who's ruining schools up and down the country) Gove's wife works for the Daily Mail.

Obviously just coincidence.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

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"Has anyone actually bothered to read the article in the Mail or just jumped on the bandwagon? For the last 2 Labour conferences, Milliband has made reference to his father and the way he has influenced his own political views etc. So without wanting to sound childish... he started it! Having read the article, it is not an attack on Ralph Milliband the man. It is an attack on his politics.

For those that haven't read the article... Ralph Milliband is not your average man in the street. He was an academic, author and a fervent marxist. He dispised much of what we as a nation stand for and was often open in his criticism of the country. He wanted to turn the country into something similar to Soviet Russia under Stalin. Gulag or concentration camp, Hitler or Stalin... not much difference either way.

So given the influence Milliband Senior has had on his son and his politics, I think we as a nation have a right to know that he is a closet marxist before we vote for him.

and as someone else mentioned.... david cameron mentions his father, so when Cameron snr name was brought up in regards to tax evasion, should that be then ligitimately used as an attack on the PM????

after all.... if you want to use your arguement, wouldn't some of that have rubbed off on the son??????

and if you say that family are now fair game, just how far and wide in the family tree are now allowed to be used????"

The simple answer is that when a senior politician openly states that a family member has influenced him/her politically, then the politics of the family member are fair game. Everything else should be hands off.

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"It turns out Michael (the speccy **** who's ruining schools up and down the country) Gove's wife works for the Daily Mail.

Obviously just coincidence."

sure i heard on the news last night, a quote from call me Dave condeming the story, so please do stop your tory bashing

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"

Ed Miliband is our MOST experienced current politician has a doctorate and is a professor.

how is Ed Millibland our most experienced politician??

arent there ones that have been around longer, been involved in more and so on?"

I am merely repeating a phrase that was uttered a couple of nights running on Newsnight by the cognoscenti! Like everyone else posting here I have at my disposal only a handful of facts - that's more than some people n less than others

I took the comment at face value because it WAS NOT uttered by labour party faithfuls but by the investigative journalists!

I remembered it particularly because it rather took ME by surprise - however, though I'm an incorrigible cynic, on that occasion I was persuaded of the validity of the comment by the subsequent assessment of the man.

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By *ingleguy1973Man
over a year ago

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" The simple answer is that when a senior politician openly states that a family member has influenced him/her politically, then the politics of the family member are fair game. Everything else should be hands off."

Couldn't have put it better myself

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"It turns out Michael (the speccy **** who's ruining schools up and down the country) Gove's wife works for the Daily Mail.

Obviously just coincidence.

sure i heard on the news last night, a quote from call me Dave condeming the story, so please do stop your tory bashing"

Not till the last remaining Tory is gone.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


" The simple answer is that when a senior politician openly states that a family member has influenced him/her politically, then the politics of the family member are fair game. Everything else should be hands off.

Couldn't have put it better myself "

but I haven't heard of ANY politician that has said that their parents in anyway haven't influenced them...

us mere mortals are influenced by our parents in some way, shape or form.... So because I may not agree with you, am I allowed to them attack you thru your parents???

just asking......

because if you did that to me.... I think the response would likely be a lot stronger than a "rebuke"

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over a year ago


" The simple answer is that when a senior politician openly states that a family member has influenced him/her politically, then the politics of the family member are fair game. Everything else should be hands off.

Couldn't have put it better myself

but I haven't heard of ANY politician that has said that their parents in anyway haven't influenced them...

us mere mortals are influenced by our parents in some way, shape or form.... So because I may not agree with you, am I allowed to them attack you thru your parents???

just asking......

because if you did that to me.... I think the response would likely be a lot stronger than a "rebuke""

that was one of the scary things that reminded me of B'liar.

im with you about stringer actiuons than a rebuke (and tbf, it would take major surgery for the editor to remove said reg from his main oriface rather than just deny the allegation) but the fact he had his big cheesy grin over his face whilst saying 'its a lie, its a lie'.

sorry ,but i would have my angry look on lol

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


" The simple answer is that when a senior politician openly states that a family member has influenced him/her politically, then the politics of the family member are fair game. Everything else should be hands off.

Couldn't have put it better myself

but I haven't heard of ANY politician that has said that their parents in anyway haven't influenced them...

us mere mortals are influenced by our parents in some way, shape or form.... So because I may not agree with you, am I allowed to them attack you thru your parents???

just asking......

because if you did that to me.... I think the response would likely be a lot stronger than a "rebuke""

Of course, it should be rembered that personal attacks on Mark and Carol Thatcher are NOT because they're the Devil's spawn but because they're dickheads in their own right.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

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" The simple answer is that when a senior politician openly states that a family member has influenced him/her politically, then the politics of the family member are fair game. Everything else should be hands off.

Couldn't have put it better myself

but I haven't heard of ANY politician that has said that their parents in anyway haven't influenced them...

us mere mortals are influenced by our parents in some way, shape or form.... So because I may not agree with you, am I allowed to them attack you thru your parents???

just asking......

because if you did that to me.... I think the response would likely be a lot stronger than a "rebuke"

Of course, it should be rembered that personal attacks on Mark and Carol Thatcher are NOT because they're the Devil's spawn but because they're dickheads in their own right."

On Mark being a dickhead I 100% agree, but I quite like Carol. Wouldn't fancy her though.

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over a year ago

Id love it one day if those who bang on about British values could tell me what they are?

Is one that we que properly here?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

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British values are anything which Little Englanders think sets them above everyone else.

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over a year ago


"British values are anything which Little Englanders think sets them above everyone else."

Yeah but that's still vague. I want specifics.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"British values are anything which Little Englanders think sets them above everyone else.

Yeah but that's still vague. I want specifics. "

By its very nature it can't be specific. It's about making it up as you go along.

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over a year ago

Ah I see. So its like investments. The values may go up as well as down, depending on which headline the mail is sporting today?

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over a year ago


"British values are anything which Little Englanders think sets them above everyone else."

how can BRITISH values be set by ENGLISH people?

surely they would have to be a set of morality issues decided upon by those that consider themselves BRITISH.

now, seeings as Scots, and Welsh principally see themselves as such, then vicariously, the fact you call the english LITTLE englanders, when in fact England is the largest entity within the Union, one can only assume that LITTLERScots and EVENLITTLERWelsh people dont bare reference to british values, whatever they may be

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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" He wanted to turn the country into something similar to Soviet Russia under Stalin. Gulag or concentration camp, Hitler or Stalin... not much difference either way.

So given the influence Milliband Senior has had on his son and his politics, I think we as a nation have a right to know that he is a closet marxist before we vote for him."

what a pile of twaddle, can you quote one comment where he said he was a supporter of the gulag or concentration camps..?

ffs, he escaped Belgium to avoid that fate..

as for Milibands own poltical principles, ever considered he may just not be a 'closet Marxist' or is that beyond your comprehension..

just a clue, he is regularly blamed by the Tories for being part of Blair and Browns policies..

or do you actually think they were Marxist's also..

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

I wonder what they'd have called 'Red' Ed if his name hadn't been Ed.

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over a year ago


"I wonder what they'd have called 'Red' Ed if his name hadn't been Ed."

commie colin?

marxist mark

socialist simon?

depends what you think his parents should have named him lol

carl?

groucho, oh hang on, wrong marx brother lol

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

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OK. Let's put it the other way around.

My name is John Doe, the new leader of the Conservative party, my father was an ardent Nazi, and his best friend (although they didn't always agree) was a die hard Nazi and holocaust denier. In my keynote speech at my party conference I tell the world about my fathers influence on me and that I will protect his legacy.

So nobody should say a word about my father and his influence? Or is it one rule for the left and another for the right?

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over a year ago

hes never gonna appeal to a majority. guy has fcuk all about him

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By *ingleguy1973Man
over a year ago

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" He wanted to turn the country into something similar to Soviet Russia under Stalin. Gulag or concentration camp, Hitler or Stalin... not much difference either way.

So given the influence Milliband Senior has had on his son and his politics, I think we as a nation have a right to know that he is a closet marxist before we vote for him.

what a pile of twaddle, can you quote one comment where he said he was a supporter of the gulag or concentration camps..?

ffs, he escaped Belgium to avoid that fate..

as for Milibands own poltical principles, ever considered he may just not be a 'closet Marxist' or is that beyond your comprehension..

just a clue, he is regularly blamed by the Tories for being part of Blair and Browns policies..

or do you actually think they were Marxist's also..

"

You misunderstand my point. Milliband Senior escaped Belgium to avoid the Hitler and the concentration camps and proceeded to support the Maxist ideology of Stalin and his gulags. Thus making him amongst other things, a total fucking hypocrite.

As for Milliband junior, he has expressed that he believes in his father's vision for Britain ie a Maxist state. That is what the article in the Mail was about, not a personal attack on Ralph Milliband. Can't any of you lefties see that?

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

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" He wanted to turn the country into something similar to Soviet Russia under Stalin. Gulag or concentration camp, Hitler or Stalin... not much difference either way.

So given the influence Milliband Senior has had on his son and his politics, I think we as a nation have a right to know that he is a closet marxist before we vote for him.

what a pile of twaddle, can you quote one comment where he said he was a supporter of the gulag or concentration camps..?

ffs, he escaped Belgium to avoid that fate..

as for Milibands own poltical principles, ever considered he may just not be a 'closet Marxist' or is that beyond your comprehension..

just a clue, he is regularly blamed by the Tories for being part of Blair and Browns policies..

or do you actually think they were Marxist's also..

You misunderstand my point. Milliband Senior escaped Belgium to avoid the Hitler and the concentration camps and proceeded to support the Maxist ideology of Stalin and his gulags. Thus making him amongst other things, a total fucking hypocrite.

As for Milliband junior, he has expressed that he believes in his father's vision for Britain ie a Maxist state. That is what the article in the Mail was about, not a personal attack on Ralph Milliband. Can't any of you lefties see that?"

Nope, and they never will, too busy popping Champagne corks celebrating the great lady's demise. If their wishes ever come true they will then realise that Lenin was right when he spoke of "useful idiots"

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


" ......... If their wishes ever come true they will then realise that Lenin was right when he spoke of "useful idiots" "

Can you point out when/ where Lenin said that?

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By *owboy BebopMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Milliband should toughen up , it's politics , the dirtiest game in town. He's very happy when ed ball's goes around demeaning people, so get a grip, the worst thing is that the daily mail (fascist bastards) get publicity, and DM is now using it as a pr exercise ( I'm hard done by , I'm a good guy etc) .

Both him and Cameron talk about their fathers to make us think their from normal backgrounds. In reality these pair of chancers. have never had a real job outside of politics, and have no idea what challenges ordinary families face.

I may be biased as I can't stand either of them . Don't start me on Ed balls ; the man who helped fuck up the economy, wants the job of chancellor !!

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over a year ago


"Milliband should toughen up , it's politics , the dirtiest game in town. He's very happy when ed ball's goes around demeaning people, so get a grip, the worst thing is that the daily mail (fascist bastards) get publicity, and DM is now using it as a pr exercise ( I'm hard done by , I'm a good guy etc) .

Both him and Cameron talk about their fathers to make us think their from normal backgrounds. In reality these pair of chancers. have never had a real job outside of politics, and have no idea what challenges ordinary families face.

I may be biased as I can't stand either of them . Don't start me on Ed balls ; the man who helped fuck up the economy, wants the job of chancellor !!"

Er........actually call me Dave was in PR/advertising

Dr Ed Miliband was professor at an American university

So both HAVE had jobs before politics but I'll let you fathom the dynamic if which each job tells you!

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over a year ago


"You misunderstand my point. Milliband Senior escaped Belgium to avoid the Hitler and the concentration camps and proceeded to support the Maxist ideology of Stalin and his gulags. Thus making him amongst other things, a total fucking hypocrite.

As for Milliband junior, he has expressed that he believes in his father's vision for Britain ie a Maxist state. That is what the article in the Mail was about, not a personal attack on Ralph Milliband. Can't any of you lefties see that?"

Can I just point out that Marxist ideology and Stalins ideology/methods are two different things. So supporting Marxism does not mean he was a fan of Stalin.

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over a year ago


"not glenn, but the leader of the opposition.

wht is you opinion of him?

just seen him on the news denying the story about his dad being a marxist, or some other shite.

no idea if the story has foundation, or not (although the truth will be seen if he takes them to court or not)

but his denial of it just came across, to me, as he is a snivveling weasel of a man.

i really dont like him.

he scares me

he reminds me a B.liar.

and anyone that can stab his brother in the back to get up the ladder quicker, to me, is not to be trusted."

something tells me your not struck on him then lol

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over a year ago


"not glenn, but the leader of the opposition.

wht is you opinion of him?

just seen him on the news denying the story about his dad being a marxist, or some other shite.

no idea if the story has foundation, or not (although the truth will be seen if he takes them to court or not)

but his denial of it just came across, to me, as he is a snivveling weasel of a man.

i really dont like him.

he scares me

he reminds me a B.liar.

and anyone that can stab his brother in the back to get up the ladder quicker, to me, is not to be trusted."

The fact you are allowed a vote scares me...

All that is wrong with the tabloid generation in one post....

The guy WAS a Marxist the whole debate is the shit tabloid has said he hated UK....

He didn't.... He served his country but believed in equilateral for all. If you at how much richer the top 5% of earners have become during this "recession" while normal working families are resorting to food banks to eat, then tell me this regime is working......

For the record I AM a Marxist Socialist, and firmly believe the quickest way to ensure a yes vote in the Scottish referendum is to keep Clegg and Cameron talking. These two liars are more like Blair than Milliband. Blair was the best Tory PM since thatcher....

Peace out

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over a year ago

Well the man fled europe to escape being gased by the regime the founder of daily mail Lord Rothmore supported! The man then joined the Navy and fought for this country!

Marxist or not I think I can Quess who was the better man!

Rothmore jnr is friends with the PM I beleive.

The Daily Mail is a vile paper they will attack the Emergency workers, Soldiers, Nurses etc... with a contant stream of made up nonsence.

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over a year ago


"Well the man fled europe to escape being gased by the regime the founder of daily mail Lord Rothmore supported! The man then joined the Navy and fought for this country!

Marxist or not I think I can Quess who was the better man!

Rothmore jnr is friends with the PM I beleive.

The Daily Mail is a vile paper they will attack the Emergency workers, Soldiers, Nurses etc... with a contant stream of made up nonsence.

"

That rag should be made to print an addendum on every copy saying "supporting nazis since 1936" when rothmore penned his editorial estoling the virtues of hitler........

There is nothing wrong with having political views. I think it is telling that it is only the right wing zealots who try to curtail freedom of speech...

In the words of Voltare... "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

According to rothmore jnr if you don't agree with their polarised right wing pish you hate this country.....

Is it a coincedence that Milliband and Labour are 11points ahead in the polls when these horrid gutter stories are released.....

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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" He wanted to turn the country into something similar to Soviet Russia under Stalin. Gulag or concentration camp, Hitler or Stalin... not much difference either way.

So given the influence Milliband Senior has had on his son and his politics, I think we as a nation have a right to know that he is a closet marxist before we vote for him.

what a pile of twaddle, can you quote one comment where he said he was a supporter of the gulag or concentration camps..?

ffs, he escaped Belgium to avoid that fate..

as for Milibands own poltical principles, ever considered he may just not be a 'closet Marxist' or is that beyond your comprehension..

just a clue, he is regularly blamed by the Tories for being part of Blair and Browns policies..

or do you actually think they were Marxist's also..

You misunderstand my point. Milliband Senior escaped Belgium to avoid the Hitler and the concentration camps and proceeded to support the Maxist ideology of Stalin and his gulags. Thus making him amongst other things, a total fucking hypocrite.

As for Milliband junior, he has expressed that he believes in his father's vision for Britain ie a Maxist state. That is what the article in the Mail was about, not a personal attack on Ralph Milliband. Can't any of you lefties see that?"

Correction, I didn't because you weren't stating a 'point'..

you are making stuff up which has no basis in fact, btw am not a fan of Labour post 97..

what I dislike is when people make shit up using the same logic monty python used in the holy grail..

so again as you sloped the question earlier where did Miliband senior express support of the gulag.. ?

am happy to be corrected if you can..

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By *ingleguy1973Man
over a year ago

peterborough


"Correction, I didn't because you weren't stating a 'point'..

you are making stuff up which has no basis in fact, btw am not a fan of Labour post 97..

what I dislike is when people make shit up using the same logic monty python used in the holy grail..

so again as you sloped the question earlier where did Miliband senior express support of the gulag.. ?

am happy to be corrected if you can.."

to quote Ralph Miliband...

and I remember standing in front of the grave, fist clenched, and swearing my own private oath that 1 would be faithful to the workers’ cause. I do not recall the exact formulation, but I have no doubt of the gist of it; and I thought of myself as a revolutionary socialist or communist

On the other hand, and it is a very large other hand, I had no intention of being a worker.

civic freedoms which, however inadequately, form part of bourgeois democracy are the product of centuries of unremitting popular struggles. The task of Marxist politics is to defend these freedoms and to make possible their enlargement by the removal of their class boundaries.

to seek to combine state power with class power from below, in a system of ‘dual power’ which brings into play an array of popular forces, parties, trade unions, workers’ councils, local government, women’s groups, black caucuses, activists of every sort

The Englishman is a rabid nationalist. They are perhaps the most nationalist people in the world?…?you sometimes want them almost to lose (the war) to show them how things are. They have the greatest contempt for the continent?…?To lose their empire would be the worst possible humiliation

And by the way none of the above quotes have been taken from the Daily Mail but show the political leanings of the man and his extreme left wing ideaology.

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over a year ago

But at no point in that quote, does he say he hates Britain.

Doesn't even imply it. He didn't like rabid nationalism and neither do I. That sort of thing gets people put in concentration camps and gassed by people who've been told what to fear by newspapers and telly.

Doesn't mean he hates the place, just some of the people.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


" He wanted to turn the country into something similar to Soviet Russia under Stalin. Gulag or concentration camp, Hitler or Stalin... not much difference either way.

So given the influence Milliband Senior has had on his son and his politics, I think we as a nation have a right to know that he is a closet marxist before we vote for him.

what a pile of twaddle, can you quote one comment where he said he was a supporter of the gulag or concentration camps..?

ffs, he escaped Belgium to avoid that fate..

as for Milibands own poltical principles, ever considered he may just not be a 'closet Marxist' or is that beyond your comprehension..

just a clue, he is regularly blamed by the Tories for being part of Blair and Browns policies..

or do you actually think they were Marxist's also..

You misunderstand my point. Milliband Senior escaped Belgium to avoid the Hitler and the concentration camps and proceeded to support the Maxist ideology of Stalin and his gulags. Thus making him amongst other things, a total fucking hypocrite.

As for Milliband junior, he has expressed that he believes in his father's vision for Britain ie a Maxist state. That is what the article in the Mail was about, not a personal attack on Ralph Milliband. Can't any of you lefties see that?

Nope, and they never will, too busy popping Champagne corks celebrating the great lady's demise. If their wishes ever come true they will then realise that Lenin was right when he spoke of "useful idiots" "

Vladimir Lenin and Joseph Stalin regularly used the term “polyezniy idiot” or “useful idiot” to describe sympathizers in the West who blindly supported Communist leaders.

Needless to say they didn't dare utter it in public and that is why lefties always have the chance to muddy the water by asking for date, time, place, did they wipe their arse with left or right hand Etc. Blair would never admit in public that he lied about the dodgy dossier, but we all know he did.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Never mind Ralph hating Britain, the Labour party hate Britain. They consider everything that is foreign is superior & if Labour get in they will flood the country with even more immigrants to ensure the working classes wages are surpressed even further. For the middle classes there will be no point in working because the "politics of envy" will ensure that there will be no point in trying to get on in life because the evil socialists will confiscate any gains. The only way to get on will be to sign on & deal in the black market, or emigrate.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Correction, I didn't because you weren't stating a 'point'..

you are making stuff up which has no basis in fact, btw am not a fan of Labour post 97..

what I dislike is when people make shit up using the same logic monty python used in the holy grail..

so again as you sloped the question earlier where did Miliband senior express support of the gulag.. ?

am happy to be corrected if you can..

to quote Ralph Miliband...

and I remember standing in front of the grave, fist clenched, and swearing my own private oath that 1 would be faithful to the workers’ cause. I do not recall the exact formulation, but I have no doubt of the gist of it; and I thought of myself as a revolutionary socialist or communist

On the other hand, and it is a very large other hand, I had no intention of being a worker.

civic freedoms which, however inadequately, form part of bourgeois democracy are the product of centuries of unremitting popular struggles. The task of Marxist politics is to defend these freedoms and to make possible their enlargement by the removal of their class boundaries.

to seek to combine state power with class power from below, in a system of ‘dual power’ which brings into play an array of popular forces, parties, trade unions, workers’ councils, local government, women’s groups, black caucuses, activists of every sort

The Englishman is a rabid nationalist. They are perhaps the most nationalist people in the world?…?you sometimes want them almost to lose (the war) to show them how things are. They have the greatest contempt for the continent?…?To lose their empire would be the worst possible humiliation

And by the way none of the above quotes have been taken from the Daily Mail but show the political leanings of the man and his extreme left wing ideaology."

and no where does he suggest what you said earlier, so why say it..?

it dilutes any valid debate to go down that line..

his views may have been 'extreme' to some certainly...

but hey that's politics..

goes with some 'extremists' on the right..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


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Needless to say they didn't dare utter it in public and that is why lefties always have the chance to muddy the water by asking for date, time, place, did they wipe their arse with left or right hand Etc. Blair would never admit in public that he lied about the dodgy dossier, but we all know he did."

not a case of muddying the water, its a case of something attributed to someone which wasn't true..

said something similar on another thread about Thatcher when I challenged 'another leftie' about an incorrect assertion they made about her..

Political differences are healthy, debating on the record of and policies etc whomever is what people of all political persuasions fought for which enables us to do so..

when its dirtied by lies and slandering dead people it tends to turn folk off which is not good for democracy..

make you right on Blair btw, was happy to march against that particular shambles along with other ex servicemen and women..

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"

Vladimir Lenin and Joseph Stalin regularly used the term “polyezniy idiot” or “useful idiot” to describe sympathizers in the West who blindly supported Communist leaders.

Needless to say they didn't dare utter it in public and that is why lefties always have the chance to muddy the water by asking for date, time, place, did they wipe their arse with left or right hand Etc."

So there's no actual proof that two men (is it two men now?) actually uttered a phrase, half in Russian, half in English? Don't believe everything Jerry Pollard writes.


" Blair would never admit in public that he lied about the dodgy dossier, but we all know he did."

Has anyone else noticed that when posters run out of evidence for anything, they invoke the name of Blair?

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over a year ago

When I compare the greatest Prime Minister the country has ever had after Churchill & that odious little shit B.Liar there is a very big difference: I never remember Maggie ever telling a lie, & I remember B.Liar never ever told the truth ever.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Vladimir Lenin and Joseph Stalin regularly used the term “polyezniy idiot” or “useful idiot” to describe sympathizers in the West who blindly supported Communist leaders.

Needless to say they didn't dare utter it in public and that is why lefties always have the chance to muddy the water by asking for date, time, place, did they wipe their arse with left or right hand Etc.

So there's no actual proof that two men (is it two men now?) actually uttered a phrase, half in Russian, half in English? Don't believe everything Jerry Pollard writes.

Blair would never admit in public that he lied about the dodgy dossier, but we all know he did.

Has anyone else noticed that when posters run out of evidence for anything, they invoke the name of Blair?"

Or ........Thatcher

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"

Vladimir Lenin and Joseph Stalin regularly used the term “polyezniy idiot” or “useful idiot” to describe sympathizers in the West who blindly supported Communist leaders.

Needless to say they didn't dare utter it in public and that is why lefties always have the chance to muddy the water by asking for date, time, place, did they wipe their arse with left or right hand Etc.

So there's no actual proof that two men (is it two men now?) actually uttered a phrase, half in Russian, half in English? Don't believe everything Jerry Pollard writes.

Blair would never admit in public that he lied about the dodgy dossier, but we all know he did.

Has anyone else noticed that when posters run out of evidence for anything, they invoke the name of Blair?"

I wonder why?

As for the Lenin bit, yes it's true that there is no documented evidence but it has been widely attributed to him (and Stalin) Even George Soros recently described himself as one. Lets face it if there was any documents the KGB (you know them, those secret police types so loved by the communists) would have destroyed them years ago.

Sometimes I wonder if Lenin said anything at all, most of his comments seem to get denied somewhere or other. Maybe all his speeches were about flower arranging.

Funny how the left love to smear anyone who gets in their way but react with rabid indignation at the slightest criticism of one of their own.

As Corporal Jones would say. They don't like it up 'em

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The most illuminating thing to emerge from this thread is the entrenched views some people espouse and the level of misinformation also put forward as if it is FACT

Fascinating

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"When I compare the greatest Prime Minister the country has ever had after Churchill & that odious little shit B.Liar there is a very big difference: I never remember Maggie ever telling a lie, & I remember B.Liar never ever told the truth ever."

You have selective memory syndrome.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It turns out Michael (the speccy **** who's ruining schools up and down the country) Gove's wife works for the Daily Mail.

Obviously just coincidence."

And then we shall see which writes for the Mirror, Guardian, Observer and the likes

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"

Vladimir Lenin and Joseph Stalin regularly used the term “polyezniy idiot” or “useful idiot” to describe sympathizers in the West who blindly supported Communist leaders.

Needless to say they didn't dare utter it in public and that is why lefties always have the chance to muddy the water by asking for date, time, place, did they wipe their arse with left or right hand Etc.

So there's no actual proof that two men (is it two men now?) actually uttered a phrase, half in Russian, half in English? Don't believe everything Jerry Pollard writes.

Blair would never admit in public that he lied about the dodgy dossier, but we all know he did.

Has anyone else noticed that when posters run out of evidence for anything, they invoke the name of Blair?

I wonder why?

As for the Lenin bit, yes it's true that there is no documented evidence but it has been widely attributed to him (and Stalin) Even George Soros recently described himself as one. Lets face it if there was any documents the KGB (you know them, those secret police types so loved by the communists) would have destroyed them years ago.

Sometimes I wonder if Lenin said anything at all, most of his comments seem to get denied somewhere or other. Maybe all his speeches were about flower arranging.

Funny how the left love to smear anyone who gets in their way but react with rabid indignation at the slightest criticism of one of their own.

As Corporal Jones would say. They don't like it up 'em "

Whilst, as Capt Mainwaring would say ...........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Has anyone else noticed that when posters run out of evidence for anything, they invoke the name of Blair?

Or ........Thatcher"

Left leaning will praise Blair, despise Maggie

Right leaning will praise Maggie, despise Blair.

Thats how you get a quick snapshot of that posters political leaning...

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"

Has anyone else noticed that when posters run out of evidence for anything, they invoke the name of Blair?

Or ........Thatcher

Left leaning will praise Blair, despise Maggie

Right leaning will praise Maggie, despise Blair.

Thats how you get a quick snapshot of that posters political leaning... "

I might have missed it but I haven't seem anyone, left leaning or otherwise, praise Blair.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mrs T. didn't tell lies?

Let's quote her: "You may not tell deliberate lies, but you have to be evasive."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im straight down the middle. They're both cunts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

....but I suppose at least she was truthful about the need to tell lies

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So I've got a selective memory about Thatcher telling the truth & B.Liar never telling the truth? Lets look at B.Liar's whoopers.

45 minutes from destruction

Educatiion, education, education, Then introduced tuition fees & dumbed down exams.

Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime!!! Made burglaries only count if over £400 of goods were stolen & removed shoplifting as a criminal offence.

"24 hours to save the NHS", before wiping out 1200 patients just at one hospital alone.

Everything he said was a lie. His term in office was littered with soundbite phases that were full of shit basically. But I do find that all Socialists lie because their track record at anything is crap, so they have to. Now tell me what Maggie lied about then.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


" ......Now tell me what Maggie lied about then."

The bit where she claimed to be a human being.

Clearly bollox Bertie.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So you can't name one instance then.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


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to quote Ralph Miliband...

and I remember standing in front of the grave, fist clenched, and swearing my own private oath that 1 would be faithful to the workers’ cause. I do not recall the exact formulation, but I have no doubt of the gist of it; and I thought of myself as a revolutionary socialist or communist

On the other hand, and it is a very large other hand, I had no intention of being a worker.

civic freedoms which, however inadequately, form part of bourgeois democracy are the product of centuries of unremitting popular struggles. The task of Marxist politics is to defend these freedoms and to make possible their enlargement by the removal of their class boundaries.

to seek to combine state power with class power from below, in a system of ‘dual power’ which brings into play an array of popular forces, parties, trade unions, workers’ councils, local government, women’s groups, black caucuses, activists of every sort

The Englishman is a rabid nationalist. They are perhaps the most nationalist people in the world?…?you sometimes want them almost to lose (the war) to show them how things are. They have the greatest contempt for the continent?…?To lose their empire would be the worst possible humiliation

And by the way none of the above quotes have been taken from the Daily Mail but show the political leanings of the man and his extreme left wing ideaology."

actually... to be honest... if that is what ralph said.. I actually have no issue with it at all... I dont think you could interpret that as having the uk...

for example... paragraph 3... you basically described the french revolution!!! and with class being such a big thing in the uk its fair comment...

and paragraph 4... I may as well hold my fist up in the air now....

Popular forces like "elections" you mean... stick "political" in front of the word parties, workers councils, local government, god damn pankhurst and her suffragettes!!! and engaging people of all colours should be a goal!!!

whether you like it or not.. there is a "little englander" mentality is some people in this county... goes along with the NIMBY's attitude... and "some" papers dont help with their attitudes on certain issues...

see... in theory communism isn't a bad thing, Its actually not a bad concept, its how you see it in practice that is the issue....

let me use an example.... The NHS.... Socialised health care governed by the state.... you and I are rightly proud of it because it treats all people the same

if you say that to someone on the right in america... bet ya they are calling you a pinko, or a commie...

I think the irony is this came from a newspaper who has had historical leanings towards hitler pre ww2 and supports oswald mosley and his blackshirts, and enoch powell after his "rivers of blood" speech

they find themselves on the wrong side of this issue....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So you can't name one instance then. "

Maybe you could ask the Hillsborough families for an example.

She lied everyday, for most of the day. All politicians do, otherwise they'd never get elected. Blair lied no more, no less than most.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

ps at what point should i hold my fist up in the air and sing "keep the red flag flying high".....

actually i would consider myself to be "centre to centre left".... there were parts of milliband's speech i agreed with, there are parts of cameron's I did as well....

I don't agree with going after the son for the thoughts and deeds of his father...

like i said.. I didn't see anyone go after the PM when Cameron snr was linked to tax evasion....

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"

.......

whether you like it or not.. there is a "little englander" mentality is some people in this county... goes along with the NIMBY's attitude... and "some" papers dont help with their attitudes on certain issues...

.......

"

And who, because its no longer acceptable to refer specifically to colour, continually refer to 'foreign' when they actually mean non-white.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just for old Bollocks...Maggie was something pretty much the same as socialism in many respects. Totalitarianism.

No dissent was allowed and she was happy to crush those who opposed her. She lied just as much as Blair, but he existed in the internet age where the soundbite is king and news spreads a lot faster. So she lied but because you had to wait for the nightly news or daily paper you probably never heard half of it. But the instant Blair said anything it was broadcasted for posterity.

They were both politicians. They both lied.

The sinking of the Belgrano is a good example.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The inherent problem appears to be that too many people see a word and all their uninformed beliefs kick in

I've always been that pariah - the floating voter!

Communism. (from the branch root community') as an ideology makes some sense - all embracing for the good and advancement if all the community together.

Regrettably the reality in practice moved itself a long way from it's ideologies - but that doesn't make the purity of the idea wrong

The same with marxism.

The capitalist system encourages aspirational advancement at any cost and regrettably will always leave certain sections of society behind as it marches forward. For me the nagging downside of capitalism is that it tends to encourage those who succeed to lose empathy for those who are unable to keep up - in essence it becomes 'it's an all about a me me me' culture.

I can remember in the 1960s we all were encouraged by politicians n the media to fear reds under the bed etc n that they were going to take over the world!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Socialisms biggest problem upon implementation was that it didn't take into account the natural human greed, selfishness and desire for power of those at the top (who were supposed to be equal), allowed them to take perks for themselves. So they used media and force to keep people down and keep those perks.

Capitalism where implemented is exactly the same, except it positively COUNTS on those at the top being greedy, selfish and power mad. Uses the media and force in the same way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So you can't name one instance then.

Maybe you could ask the Hillsborough families for an example.

She lied everyday, for most of the day. All politicians do, otherwise they'd never get elected. Blair lied no more, no less than most."

Actually no. She believed South Yorkshire Police & was naive to do so. She had a good relationship with them because they helped break the back of Scargill's attempts to take over the country & turn it into a Communist state.

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over a year ago


"Just for old Bollocks...Maggie was something pretty much the same as socialism in many respects. Totalitarianism.

No dissent was allowed and she was happy to crush those who opposed her. She lied just as much as Blair, but he existed in the internet age where the soundbite is king and news spreads a lot faster. So she lied but because you had to wait for the nightly news or daily paper you probably never heard half of it. But the instant Blair said anything it was broadcasted for posterity.

They were both politicians. They both lied.

The sinking of the Belgrano is a good example."

Absolute BS I'm afraid. She told the truth, that it was sunk because it posed a threat to British lives. After that we didn't see any of the other Argie ships. Result.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"......

Capitalism where implemented is exactly the same, except it positively COUNTS on those at the top being greedy, selfish and power mad. Uses the media and force in the same way. "

And it relies on those 'at the top' convincing those on the middle that they too can be at the top, if only you vote Tory.

Alf Garnett, for all his love of Thatcher, is alive and living in a slum somewhere near you.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"So you can't name one instance then.

Maybe you could ask the Hillsborough families for an example.

She lied everyday, for most of the day. All politicians do, otherwise they'd never get elected. Blair lied no more, no less than most.

Actually no. She believed South Yorkshire Police & was naive to do so. She had a good relationship with them because they helped break the back of Scargill's attempts to take over the country & turn it into a Communist state. "

She only ever believed what suited her.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Socialist politicians are the worse for taking privileges. Haven't heard of the term "Champagne Socialist?" They're everywhere

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I haven't read the article because I don't read or believe the trash press, but what exactly did he hate about this country?????

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Socialist politicians are the worse for taking privileges. Haven't heard of the term "Champagne Socialist?" They're everywhere "

I detect an element of jealousy. England's green and pleasant land not what you hoped for?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"I haven't read the article because I don't read or believe the trash press, but what exactly did he hate about this country?????"

He couldn't abide the way Britain gave him refuge from the Nazi or gave him the chance to enlist in the Senior Service and fight back.

How dare Britain be so welcoming?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Jealousy? Are you mad? I hate Socialism with a passion. It destroys lives & Socialism more than any other system is about a small band of people taking massive privileges & suppressing the whole of society. that is why it has failed the world over time & time again & will always do so.

I support small business enterprise & freedom for the individual against the tyranny of the "big state"

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


" ......

I support small business enterprise & freedom for the individual against the tyranny of the "big state""

That's a euphemism for cash in hand, no VAT and 'income tax? what's income tax?'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Jealousy? Are you mad? I hate Socialism with a passion. It destroys lives & Socialism more than any other system is about a small band of people taking massive privileges & suppressing the whole of society. that is why it has failed the world over time & time again & will always do so.

I support small business enterprise & freedom for the individual against the tyranny of the "big state""

Massive privileges & suppressing the whole of society? So, not much difference between socialism & capitalism then!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Jealousy? Are you mad? I hate Socialism with a passion. It destroys lives & Socialism more than any other system is about a small band of people taking massive privileges & suppressing the whole of society. that is why it has failed the world over time & time again & will always do so.

I support small business enterprise & freedom for the individual against the tyranny of the "big state""

Sounds exactly like capitalism to me. Small band of people taking massive privileges and suppressing the rest. I dare you to argue that!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Jealousy? Are you mad? I hate Socialism with a passion. It destroys lives & Socialism more than any other system is about a small band of people taking massive privileges & suppressing the whole of society. that is why it has failed the world over time & time again & will always do so.

I support small business enterprise & freedom for the individual against the tyranny of the "big state"

Sounds exactly like capitalism to me. Small band of people taking massive privileges and suppressing the rest. I dare you to argue that!"

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


" ......

I support small business enterprise & freedom for the individual against the tyranny of the "big state"

That's a euphemism for cash in hand, no VAT and 'income tax? what's income tax?'."

So many red Herrings around today I think I will go get my fishing net.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"

I support small business enterprise & freedom for the individual against the tyranny of the "big state""

you must hate things like... for example... the NHS then..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Jealousy? Are you mad? I hate Socialism with a passion. It destroys lives & Socialism more than any other system is about a small band of people taking massive privileges & suppressing the whole of society. that is why it has failed the world over time & time again & will always do so.

I support small business enterprise & freedom for the individual against the tyranny of the "big state""

Now that really is just a silly emotive and totally incorrect assessment of socialism - either in it's ideology or in practice innit!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So you think that small business owners don't pay taxes & have special privilages that know one else gets? I suppose that the only good businesses are huge ones run by the State.

As I've said before , Socialism is a mental illness & we've had 5 Labour governments before & every single one has ended in financial disaster. What makes you think it won't happen to the next Labour Government? Einstein said that the definition of madness is to keep doing the same thing & expecting a different result.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"So you think that small business owners don't pay taxes & have special privilages that know one else gets? I suppose that the only good businesses are huge ones run by the State.

As I've said before , Socialism is a mental illness & we've had 5 Labour governments before & every single one has ended in financial disaster. What makes you think it won't happen to the next Labour Government? Einstein said that the definition of madness is to keep doing the same thing & expecting a different result. "

The above is worth retaining.

"Socialism is a mental illness".

Wow.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


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Vladimir Lenin and Joseph Stalin regularly used the term “polyezniy idiot” or “useful idiot” to describe sympathizers in the West who blindly supported Communist leaders.

Needless to say they didn't dare utter it in public and that is why lefties always have the chance to muddy the water by asking for date, time, place, did they wipe their arse with left or right hand Etc.

So there's no actual proof that two men (is it two men now?) actually uttered a phrase, half in Russian, half in English? Don't believe everything Jerry Pollard writes.

Blair would never admit in public that he lied about the dodgy dossier, but we all know he did.

Has anyone else noticed that when posters run out of evidence for anything, they invoke the name of Blair?

I wonder why?

As for the Lenin bit, yes it's true that there is no documented evidence but it has been widely attributed to him (and Stalin) Even George Soros recently described himself as one. Lets face it if there was any documents the KGB (you know them, those secret police types so loved by the communists) would have destroyed them years ago.

Sometimes I wonder if Lenin said anything at all, most of his comments seem to get denied somewhere or other. Maybe all his speeches were about flower arranging.

Funny how the left love to smear anyone who gets in their way but react with rabid indignation at the slightest criticism of one of their own.

As Corporal Jones would say. They don't like it up 'em

Whilst, as Capt Mainwaring would say ..........."

Don't tell 'em your name Onny

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So you think that small business owners don't pay taxes & have special privilages that know one else gets? I suppose that the only good businesses are huge ones run by the State.

As I've said before , Socialism is a mental illness & we've had 5 Labour governments before & every single one has ended in financial disaster. What makes you think it won't happen to the next Labour Government? Einstein said that the definition of madness is to keep doing the same thing & expecting a different result. "

Yeah, and the conservative governments all ended in zero debt didn't they? Even after selling off state assets to private investors so that the privileged few could prosper at the expense...of...the.......wait a minute....that sounds familiar....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Brown led this country to disaster with a huge expansion of credit which has impoverished the nation & the biggest sufferers are the working class. Where was his "moral compass" when housing was going up at 20% a year? The idiot was so deluded he thought that he'd abolished boom & bust. What an imbecile.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Miilband, Cameron all the same...

Anyone who volunteers to be a MP and has aspirations to become a prime minister should automatically be banned from the the job. Egotistical bunch of wankers the lot of them.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

and now the "mail group", this time the Mail on sunday, Gatecrashed a private memorial service for another member of the family, this time an uncle who was a doctor and was not in public life...

they also asked other members of the family, again not in public life, for views about ralph milliband....

so anyone telling me the Mail doesn't have a vendeta against Ed mow???

lets see the people who originally defended the Daily mail defend this.......

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"So you think that small business owners don't pay taxes & have special privilages that know one else gets? I suppose that the only good businesses are huge ones run by the State.

As I've said before , Socialism is a mental illness & we've had 5 Labour governments before & every single one has ended in financial disaster. What makes you think it won't happen to the next Labour Government? Einstein said that the definition of madness is to keep doing the same thing & expecting a different result. "

again I'll asked the question... do you hate the NHS??

after all, you just called socialism "a mental illness" and the NHS is basically "Socialised health care" at it's finest....

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


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As I've said before , Socialism is a mental illness "

when that is the level of response from some individuals on a debate about 'politics' its time to step away from said debates..

like trying to have a discussion on theology with 'Father Jack' ranting about girls , feck and drink...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Brown led this country to disaster with a huge expansion of credit which has impoverished the nation & the biggest sufferers are the working class. Where was his "moral compass" when housing was going up at 20% a year? The idiot was so deluded he thought that he'd abolished boom & bust. What an imbecile. "

Conservatives created boom and bust by deregulating the mortgage system and allowing people to borrow more than they could afford. Creating a property price driven economy which is unsustainable. They saddled the public sector with huge debt through PFI also. All of which was perpetuated through labour as they're sucking the same capitalist dick as the tories. And now this tory government is doing the same.

Again, argue that if you must/can.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There was a small element of PFI under John Major. Brown expanded it hugely & it was badly negotiated under Labour to the extent that it was 7 times more expensive than using taxpayers cash directly. Each hospital pays between 8 & 20% of the hospitals income for between 20-30 years depending on each individual case. Over 200 schools & hospitals were built this way & it is why you see hospital trusts going bust all over the country. I think that the NHS is stuffed full of Socialists with their own little empires & resist any change to keep it that way, which is why so many are murdered through the system every year. There are much better systems of healthcare in most countries in the world. Singapore has the best one & they had the NHS model for 20 years before they realised it was crap. Nobody immitates the NHS because it is a crap system. End of.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As for the tories creating boom & bust, what a load of bollocks. All economies go through a cycle of expansion & contraction, only Labour thought it was a political choice. The Tories might have used PFI, a tiny fraction of what the Labour party did. Sorry to spoil your arguement with facts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So capitalism and indeed the tories have played no part in what's going on? Thats what you believe in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As for the tories creating boom & bust, what a load of bollocks. All economies go through a cycle of expansion & contraction, only Labour thought it was a political choice. The Tories might have used PFI, a tiny fraction of what the Labour party did. Sorry to spoil your arguement with facts. "

They started the road to where we are now. They started the housing boom rollercoaster, PFI and continue it now, they just call it something else. That is fact.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think that the country was well run in 1997. Then Brown ruined it completely & handed the coalition a turd of an economy in 2010 & the Tories are doing their best in very difficult circumstances with all the Labour debt. But our country is effectively being run by the Socialists in Brussels which is why we have no future until we get out of the EU & back with a proper centre right Government. UKIP is the answer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And on that bombshell....

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By *quirrelMan
over a year ago

East Manchester

A recent biography from one of Maggie Thatchers closest advisors revealed why labour has to be in power and the Tories in opposition at some time in politics.

He explained to Maggie that they would be needed to take the flak and give breathing space for the Tory party for when they run out of ideas or come up against something they cannot solve.

He advised Maggie to pull back from all-out war on the unions and cutting off their funding of the labour party.

Explaining that being starved of money as she planned the Labour party would in all likelyhood collapse then the UK would become a 1 party state as no other party would put up a credible fight for election.

Maggie was told a one party state meant that they and no one else could take the blame for what happened in this country and its effect would mean the Tories would be introducing a dictatorship by the back door.

But, if somehow labour did get back into power after being undermined financially their vengeance would be to wreak havok on the tory party system of funding itself, the big Tory donors would be disenfranchised from funding any political party which would spell the end of the party altogether as it's big donations from the wealthy corporate sector would be stopped.

That's why we have are a 3 party state and why Ed might be in power at the next election despite everyone thinking him useless.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


" ..... UKIP is the answer. "

You kip if you want to. The rest of us will stay awake.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Don't Judge someone because of their father's views as they are not the same person.

Judge him on the now."

Ok judging him now , he's a twat!

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