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"A basic payg mobile is essential to almost everyone of school leaving age to enable them to be available for work if offered an opportunity. i this, i that & i the other, I would class as luxuries. The internet is available at most libraries. I know the world has moved on since I left school, but we managed " We did but we applied for jobs in writing and received an inter_iew or rejection in writing. Or there was a card in the window and we went in and asked. We filled in forms in person for benefits and waited on the post. Libraries are closing in lots of areas and travelling to one with internet access may cost more to get to than keeping access at home if you have to go every day for job search purposes. | |||
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"Swinging is a luxury, obviously it depends on the extend, the travel, the accommodation, the clubs etc. " It is and it's not cheap. It is a luxury I keep at the moment but on a budget. | |||
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"A basic payg mobile is essential to almost everyone of school leaving age to enable them to be available for work if offered an opportunity. i this, i that & i the other, I would class as luxuries. The internet is available at most libraries. I know the world has moved on since I left school, but we managed " The Internet is available at library's but from where I live there isn't one close enough to walk to. Cost of public transport is £3.60 return. If your expected to look for a job 5 days a week it probably works out cheaper to have the Internet. So I would say the Internet is a necessary item. My luxury is a bottle of vodka and some redbull every so often. | |||
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" If the government sanctioned this then surely they should make access available to everyone including those in rural areas " You'd think wouldn't you. | |||
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"In this day and age a mobile phone and internet access is not a luxury but a necessity. " Is it though?.. I think those two things are down to laziness. It's evolved humans into lazy asses that's what. I'm guilty! But case in point. | |||
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"Fags, booze, tv+licence and takeaways are luxuries that a lot of people think are necessities. Life is easier with dishwashers, tumble dryers and washing machines but you can live without them. A lot of people think that cars are necessities but the mot, tax, insurance etc are optional extras..." How would you go about washing clothes without a washing machine? The rest I agree with you and are all luxuries. Is right to cancel these "luxuries" though for people on long term benefit due to bad health or people who refuse to go out looking for work? | |||
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"Fags, booze, tv+licence and takeaways are luxuries that a lot of people think are necessities. Life is easier with dishwashers, tumble dryers and washing machines but you can live without them. A lot of people think that cars are necessities but the mot, tax, insurance etc are optional extras... How would you go about washing clothes without a washing machine? The rest I agree with you and are all luxuries. Is right to cancel these "luxuries" though for people on long term benefit due to bad health or people who refuse to go out looking for work? " A sink or bath and wash stuff by hand. It worked for a few thousand years. I'm not saying take it away. It's a modern luxury. Being a little sceptical I doubt many people on benefits spend 12 hours a day looking for work... I also understand that some people may not be physically able to do their washing by hand. But then it would not be a luxury... | |||
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"Sky, hairdressers, nail bar, cabs, online grocery shopping would be a luxury. Everything else, washing machine, tumble dryer, dishwasher et al necessities!" 1st sentence I agree with, 2nd is utter bollox | |||
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" If the government sanctioned this then surely they should make access available to everyone including those in rural areas You'd think wouldn't you." the government did run a scheme were low income families (with kids at certain ages) got a laptop and internet free or at a major discount a couple of years ago. Im not sure if they still run it now. | |||
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"I disagree a washing machine is a luxury. I had to live without one for several months recently. Handwashing clothes is laborious but possible. However it's not possible to wash bedding and towels well by hand on a long term basis. Plus without a machine to spin them in, drying them is a nightmare, (I didn't have anywhere outdoors I could hang them). Saying it's been done for x years doesn't take account of how times have changed. Mangles used to be used in lieu of a spin cycle. They're not that easily available these days and you'd still need somewhere to use it. I change my bedding and wash my towels weekly. That just wouldn't be possible if handwashing them. The solution, I thought, was to use a laundrette. Except they've nearly all closed because everyone has a washing machine. I lived in a fairly large town at the time. It had one laundrette, on the other side of town, several miles from where I lived. To get there would have taken two buses (each way) and it would have cost around £5 (return). I can't remember what the cost of the machines and driers was but it was very expensive. The place was also filthy, run down and very poorly maintained. A washing machine is not a luxury. Anyone who thinks so should try living without a washing machine, a tumble drier and outside hanging space for a few months." I agree. My washing machine broke down when my kids were young. A toddler and a baby create mounds of washing sometimes. Plus the other stuff. Was I supposed to handwash? Luckily my mum offered to do it and we had outdoor space to hang it but some aren't so lucky | |||
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"I can't currently work due to some major health issues and it will be some months before I can even consider working again. I signed up to a new contract with sky shortly before my diagnosis and it would have been more expensive to cancel than to continue. It also turned out to be a godsend when I was housebound - both tv and internet. When I am well enough to work again it's looking unlikely that I can return to my previous job so I'll be jobhunting and the job centre expects you to be able to apply online for jobs so an internet deal is regarded by them as essential! Since I have a lot (26 in 20 days) of hospital appointments I regard my car as essential too. It's a ten minute drive but public transport would be three buses, around an hour (with good connections and no problems) and cost £5:50 a day. I could use patient transport but I'm sure that would cost the state a fortune! As for washing clothes by hand; well I have some movement problems and would struggle to lift heavy, waterlogged items, especially to peg them on the line. The dishwasher has also been essential, especially when I was very ill and was struggling to move - in fact at one point I had to get osmeone to load and unload it as I couldn't! So the thought of standing at a sink washing dishes which I couldn't even lift into the dishwasher!. It also sterilizes your dishes which helps when you're very run down as it reduces the chances of other bugs." Good points. Health and circumstances can have a huge impact on what is essential and what is a luxury. My comments so far have related only to people in good health and without serious physical limitations. | |||
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"In this day and age a mobile phone and internet access is not a luxury but a necessity. Is it though?.. I think those two things are down to laziness. It's evolved humans into lazy asses that's what. I'm guilty! But case in point. " My daughter was made redundant in the early part of the summer. Had she not had the internet she would not have been able to apply for the new job which she begins next Monday. The same as her last job which was more than 6 years ago. And for that one she had to do an online literacy and numeracy test. | |||
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"Sky, hairdressers, nail bar, cabs, online grocery shopping would be a luxury. Everything else, washing machine, tumble dryer, dishwasher et al necessities! 1st sentence I agree with, 2nd is utter bollox " Utter bollox to YOU, not for ME, you rude man. The question was what do you consider a luxury: that's MY opinion! | |||
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"Sky, hairdressers, nail bar, cabs, online grocery shopping would be a luxury. Everything else, washing machine, tumble dryer, dishwasher et al necessities! 1st sentence I agree with, 2nd is utter bollox " not when you have a family. Maybe you should try doing washing for a family by hand. I did it when I had 2 children including a new born, in winter when it was snowing too. I also swept my floors with a broom and scrubbed with a scrubbing brush. It's time consuming and back breaking. My husband didn't help either | |||
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"the cost of meat joints make them a luxury nowadays. Grrrr" Or should I say unaffordable necessity? | |||
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"I think some people are missing the point (as usual)! The question was what we, individually, saw as luxury or necessity to OUR lives. Both my daughters have new cars, I take public transport, a car is a luxury for me. People have stated they are unemployed but need their car as it's a necessity for them. Because their necessity and mine differs doesn't make their choice bollocks! " If you are including people who have considered your posts and discussed them, examining why their opinion differs, or another person's opinion might differ then I apologise if I have offended you. I'm as interested in why people have the opinions that they do as in the opinions themselves, moreso perhaps, hence my desire to discuss them rather than just provide a flat list to answer the question. Sometimes the rationale behind someone else's opinion alters my own _iew. | |||
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"the cost of meat joints make them a luxury nowadays. Grrrr Or should I say unaffordable necessity?" Is meat a necessity? Lots of people survive quite well without it. | |||
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"Internet access at the library isn't free either" Still free in Glasgow. | |||
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"Sky, hairdressers, nail bar, cabs, online grocery shopping would be a luxury. Everything else, washing machine, tumble dryer, dishwasher et al necessities! 1st sentence I agree with, 2nd is utter bollox Utter bollox to YOU, not for ME, you rude man. The question was what do you consider a luxury: that's MY opinion! " I for one do not consider a dishwasher to be a necessity as most people have access to a sink, washing up liquid and a tea towel. Launderettes are also available to facilitate the cleaning of one's clothes I shall not be drawn into a personal slanging match with you. | |||
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"Launderettes are also available to facilitate the cleaning of one's clothes " As per my previous post, no, in some areas they aren't. Feel free to look up RG26, an area in which I have previously lived and find the nearest laundrette. They've all closed down. | |||
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"Sky, hairdressers, nail bar, cabs, online grocery shopping would be a luxury. Everything else, washing machine, tumble dryer, dishwasher et al necessities! 1st sentence I agree with, 2nd is utter bollox Utter bollox to YOU, not for ME, you rude man. The question was what do you consider a luxury: that's MY opinion! I for one do not consider a dishwasher to be a necessity as most people have access to a sink, washing up liquid and a tea towel. Launderettes are also available to facilitate the cleaning of one's clothes I shall not be drawn into a personal slanging match with you. " a laundrette is fine if you are a single man with no, bedding,towels or heavy outer garments to wash. I can't wring out a duvet by hand no matter how hard I try. Nor a towel come to think of it. It may be a luxury but it's one I'd give up everything else for to have clean dry clothes that don't smell of damp water | |||
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"the cost of meat joints make them a luxury nowadays. Grrrr Or should I say unaffordable necessity? Is meat a necessity? Lots of people survive quite well without it." Absolutely. Yes. I consider bacon to be one of the five main food groups and I fear without it I would not be long for this world. | |||
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" I for one do not consider a dishwasher to be a necessity as most people have access to a sink, washing up liquid and a tea towel. Launderettes are also available to facilitate the cleaning of one's clothes " Personally I agree with that. What some consider necessities were fucking luxuries when they came to market. What changed? ..people's mindset changed. | |||
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"Launderettes are also available to facilitate the cleaning of one's clothes As per my previous post, no, in some areas they aren't. Feel free to look up RG26, an area in which I have previously lived and find the nearest laundrette. They've all closed down." A laundrette used to be a sign of of a downmarket, studenty sort of area but as tenure trends have changed its not quite like that any more. They're also an excellent way of laundering (sorry) money, like tanning salons. | |||
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"the cost of meat joints make them a luxury nowadays. Grrrr Or should I say unaffordable necessity? Is meat a necessity? Lots of people survive quite well without it." Survival doesn't equate to a balanced diet. I am not a vegetarian so my main source of protein should be ermm the meats I don't buy. I do however like cheese and nuts. | |||
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" I for one do not consider a dishwasher to be a necessity as most people have access to a sink, washing up liquid and a tea towel. Launderettes are also available to facilitate the cleaning of one's clothes. Personally I agree with that. What some consider necessities were fucking luxuries when they came to market. What changed? ..people's mindset changed." That's a very simplified way of looking at it. Other things have also changed, such as the way we live. Progress and change happen and it has been so throughout history. With those changes our needs change. Now, more single people living alone, high street shops closing in favour of out of town megastores, smaller houses with small/no gardens (so fewer people growing their own food and no outdoor space to dry clothes), government changing the way systems and services are accessed, schools giving homework to be completed online, working from home, online training and study, totally different method of looking for a job, communities becoming less common meaning people need other ways to share/find information and services locally... | |||
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"Launderettes are also available to facilitate the cleaning of one's clothes As per my previous post, no, in some areas they aren't. Feel free to look up RG26, an area in which I have previously lived and find the nearest laundrette. They've all closed down. A laundrette used to be a sign of of a downmarket, studenty sort of area but as tenure trends have changed its not quite like that any more. They're also an excellent way of laundering (sorry) money, like tanning salons." The nearest to where I lived was 10 miles and not easily (or cheaply) accessible by public transport. I can only comment on areas I know but in North Hants laundrettes are few and far between. | |||
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"There is no laundrette where we live, i used to use one when we lived in a bedsit and it was expensive, its cheaper to buy a washing machine. nobody needs sky tv, i dont think people on benefits should have a car if they have been on benefit a long time they should use public transport. holidays, days out, and expensive takeways are luxuries people dont need. you dont need to eat sunday roast you can eat pork steaks instead. dishwashers are a waste of money because they use too much electric." Pork steaks cost more than a chicken.. sky is only way to get t.v. near me.. even basic channels.. there is simply no signal... Public transport is too expensive in many areas and a car actually works out cheaper.. | |||
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"There is no laundrette where we live, i used to use one when we lived in a bedsit and it was expensive, its cheaper to buy a washing machine. nobody needs sky tv, i dont think people on benefits should have a car if they have been on benefit a long time they should use public transport. holidays, days out, and expensive takeways are luxuries people dont need. you dont need to eat sunday roast you can eat pork steaks instead. dishwashers are a waste of money because they use too much electric. Pork steaks cost more than a chicken.. sky is only way to get t.v. near me.. even basic channels.. there is simply no signal... Public transport is too expensive in many areas and a car actually works out cheaper.. " I didnt know that about sky tv, my sons the only person who eats meat in our house, he cant afford to run a car he has to rely on public transport when he goes to job inter_iews thats because he is a single man with no kids. | |||
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"There is no laundrette where we live, i used to use one when we lived in a bedsit and it was expensive, its cheaper to buy a washing machine. nobody needs sky tv, i dont think people on benefits should have a car if they have been on benefit a long time they should use public transport. holidays, days out, and expensive takeways are luxuries people dont need. you dont need to eat sunday roast you can eat pork steaks instead. dishwashers are a waste of money because they use too much electric. Pork steaks cost more than a chicken.. sky is only way to get t.v. near me.. even basic channels.. there is simply no signal... Public transport is too expensive in many areas and a car actually works out cheaper.. " Have to agree on all these points. When I was married we had the top Sky package. Now we have the basic one. Admittedly tv isn't a necessity but it is, and has been since I was a child, the norm. Just think, I'd have to communicate with my children if we didn't have a tv * *Joke, since I work evenings anyway | |||
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"T.v. licence isn't an essential but you can't not have one unless you have no computers or tvs. " This used to be the case but it is not so now. You now only need a tv license if you watch or record tv as it is being broadcast. You do not need a license to own a tv. You do not need a license if you only watch tv via iplayer or similar. The TV livensing website has a very clear statement to this effect in the FAQ if anyone does not believe me. | |||
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"Point taken about internet access as you even have to put a claim for JSA now on line If the government sanctioned this then surely they should make access available to everyone including those in rural areas " You sure about that re JSA? I don't think that's the case at all. | |||
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"In this day and age a mobile phone and internet access is not a luxury but a necessity. Even more so for those on benefits or seeking work. " | |||
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"Point taken about internet access as you even have to put a claim for JSA now on line If the government sanctioned this then surely they should make access available to everyone including those in rural areas You sure about that re JSA? I don't think that's the case at all. " It is being rolled out in some areas... Government Gateway I believe it is called... | |||
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"If you took away all these so called luxuries from people claiming JSA.... How long do you think it would be before they are claiming something else due to depression??" Not saying they should take away all luxuries. people who are working have to go without and suffer from depresion too sometimes. | |||
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"Sky, hairdressers, nail bar, cabs, online grocery shopping would be a luxury. Everything else, washing machine, tumble dryer, dishwasher et al necessities! 1st sentence I agree with, 2nd is utter bollox " Dishwasher certainty not a necessity , and online grocery shopping can save money because your not tempted to buy ! I save at least £20 a week when I shop online. | |||
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"Point taken about internet access as you even have to put a claim for JSA now on line If the government sanctioned this then surely they should make access available to everyone including those in rural areas You sure about that re JSA? I don't think that's the case at all. " They're being very unhelpful with anyone trying to claim any other way. People have been told to go to the library and use the Internet there in some cases. When all benefits are merged into Universal Credit, which should have started next month but has been delayed because the system isn't ready, it will require claims and management of claims to be done online only. | |||
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"They're being very unhelpful with anyone trying to claim any other way. People have been told to go to the library and use the Internet there in some cases. When all benefits are merged into Universal Credit, which should have started next month but has been delayed because the system isn't ready, it will require claims and management of claims to be done online only." The fact is that our government is busy transferring wealth from the poor to the rich and universal credit is just another way of disenfranchising the most vulnerable in society. But in answer to the OP I would say that the necessities are broken into 2 groups personal and society: The personal ones are a secure, warm and safe place to live, good nutritious food, free quality education to what ever level you are capable of achieving, free quality healthcare and free access to justice. In addition to the above in order to have a health society there is a need to provide a certain level of entertainment (even the Romans supplied free food and entertainment to the masses), access to information and the free transfer of ideas, access to travel. All the above cost, but the long term cost of restricting and removing them from the majority can be seen in all the failed states and in the growth of terrorism across the world. | |||
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"I think some people are missing the point (as usual)! The question was what we, individually, saw as luxury or necessity to OUR lives. Both my daughters have new cars, I take public transport, a car is a luxury for me. People have stated they are unemployed but need their car as it's a necessity for them. Because their necessity and mine differs doesn't make their choice bollocks! If you are including people who have considered your posts and discussed them, examining why their opinion differs, or another person's opinion might differ then I apologise if I have offended you. I'm as interested in why people have the opinions that they do as in the opinions themselves, moreso perhaps, hence my desire to discuss them rather than just provide a flat list to answer the question. Sometimes the rationale behind someone else's opinion alters my own _iew." My comment wasn't aimed at you. It was a general comment: one mans meat...and all that. | |||
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"I think some people are missing the point (as usual)! The question was what we, individually, saw as luxury or necessity to OUR lives. Both my daughters have new cars, I take public transport, a car is a luxury for me. People have stated they are unemployed but need their car as it's a necessity for them. Because their necessity and mine differs doesn't make their choice bollocks! If you are including people who have considered your posts and discussed them, examining why their opinion differs, or another person's opinion might differ then I apologise if I have offended you. I'm as interested in why people have the opinions that they do as in the opinions themselves, moreso perhaps, hence my desire to discuss them rather than just provide a flat list to answer the question. Sometimes the rationale behind someone else's opinion alters my own _iew. My comment wasn't aimed at you. It was a general comment: one mans meat...and all that. " Makes a woman gag | |||
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"I think some people are missing the point (as usual)! The question was what we, individually, saw as luxury or necessity to OUR lives. Both my daughters have new cars, I take public transport, a car is a luxury for me. People have stated they are unemployed but need their car as it's a necessity for them. Because their necessity and mine differs doesn't make their choice bollocks! If you are including people who have considered your posts and discussed them, examining why their opinion differs, or another person's opinion might differ then I apologise if I have offended you. I'm as interested in why people have the opinions that they do as in the opinions themselves, moreso perhaps, hence my desire to discuss them rather than just provide a flat list to answer the question. Sometimes the rationale behind someone else's opinion alters my own _iew. My comment wasn't aimed at you. It was a general comment: one mans meat...and all that. Makes a woman gag " | |||
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"If you took away all these so called luxuries from people claiming JSA.... How long do you think it would be before they are claiming something else due to depression??" what has depression got to do with it? May I ask though do you have depression? | |||
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"If you took away all these so called luxuries from people claiming JSA.... How long do you think it would be before they are claiming something else due to depression?? what has depression got to do with it? May I ask though do you have depression?" depression is associated with loss. Many triggers are traumatic events such as loss of loved one (death/relationship split/children leaving home), loss of job (and identity), acute medical episode with chronic after effects (eg stroke and loss of limb/speech/swallowing). Other triggers are caused by a cumulative effect, so someone struggling on low income may become isolated because they cannot afford to socialise (perceived or factual). Perhaps they "treat" themselves on odd occasions but take that away from them and what enjoyment have they got? If no enjoyment occurs then you're at risk of depression. | |||
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"The reality is some people are crap with money. Yeah, I said it! It's not about luxuries or necessities, It's about knowing your budget and your circumstances then purchasing within reason. A friend of mine would see some shoes she liked, buy them and plot how broke she would be for the rest of the month. It was the same with my other mate and computer games. As it was said earlier, it's all relative to your income and what you consider to be a luxury and a necessity. People just need to more honest with themselves." | |||
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"The reality is some people are crap with money. Yeah, I said it! It's not about luxuries or necessities, It's about knowing your budget and your circumstances then purchasing within reason. A friend of mine would see some shoes she liked, buy them and plot how broke she would be for the rest of the month. It was the same with my other mate and computer games. As it was said earlier, it's all relative to your income and what you consider to be a luxury and a necessity. People just need to more honest with themselves." | |||
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"The reality is some people are crap with money. Yeah, I said it! " | |||
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"I think some people are missing the point (as usual)! The question was what we, individually, saw as luxury or necessity to OUR lives. Both my daughters have new cars, I take public transport, a car is a luxuriously for me. People have stated they are unemployed but need their car as it's a necessity for them. Because their necessity and mine differs doesn't make their choice bollocks! If you are including people who have considered your posts and discussed them, examining why their opinion differs, or another person's opinion might differ then I apologise if I have offended you. I'm as interested in why people have the opinions that they do as in the opinions themselves, moreso perhaps, hence my desire to discuss them rather than just provide a flat list to answer the question. Sometimes the rationale behind someone else's opinion alters my own _iew. My comment wasn't aimed at you. It was a general comment: one mans meat...and all that. " Cool, just checking. I find it helpful to keep mens' meat locked up safely. It seems to help them focus. | |||
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"The reality is some people are crap with money. Yeah, I said it! It's not about luxuries or necessities, It's about knowing your budget and your circumstances then purchasing within reason. A friend of mine would see some shoes she liked, buy them and plot how broke she would be for the rest of the month. It was the same with my other mate and computer games. As it was said earlier, it's all relative to your income and what you consider to be a luxury and a necessity. People just need to more honest with themselves." True for a lot of people. However, with genuine poverty on the increase and a rising number of people in a situation where they simply cannot make their income stretch further and are faced with "heat or eat" choices, it's not always that simple. When pushed to the point of going hungry to ensure their kids have food, it's quite likely the budget doesn't allow for any sort of treats or luxuries at all. This is a reality for an increasing number of people in this country. People are committing suicide because they cannot afford to live. In some cases maybe money could be managed better but in a lot of cases this isn't down to cutting out booze or fags or nights out because there isn't anything left to cut. | |||
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" If the government sanctioned this then surely they should make access available to everyone including those in rural areas You'd think wouldn't you." Yes you would, you'd also expect to be able to access the internet at libraries for longer than an hour, since we now have to do a 30hr online search per week, that's a pt job with £0 pay...and they wonder why we're not swallowing it!! | |||
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"The reality is some people are crap with money. Yeah, I said it! It's not about luxuries or necessities, It's about knowing your budget and your circumstances then purchasing within reason. A friend of mine would see some shoes she liked, buy them and plot how broke she would be for the rest of the month. It was the same with my other mate and computer games. As it was said earlier, it's all relative to your income and what you consider to be a luxury and a necessity. People just need to more honest with themselves. True for a lot of people. However, with genuine poverty on the increase and a rising number of people in a situation where they simply cannot make their income stretch further and are faced with "heat or eat" choices, it's not always that simple. When pushed to the point of going hungry to ensure their kids have food, it's quite likely the budget doesn't allow for any sort of treats or luxuries at all. This is a reality for an increasing number of people in this country. People are committing suicide because they cannot afford to live. In some cases maybe money could be managed better but in a lot of cases this isn't down to cutting out booze or fags or nights out because there isn't anything left to cut." There has been a 17% increase in people who are suffering hardship being referred to food banks (you can't get a voucher for it unless you can prove that you are destitute and have no money for food - and then you are limited to 3 times). I now spend a couple of quid extra to give stuff to my local food bank. I have been in Homeless Families and been on my uppers in the past. Struggled to buy food - even when working. There but for the grace of god ... It can happen to anyone in this uncertain financial climate. | |||
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"If you took away all these so called luxuries from people claiming JSA.... How long do you think it would be before they are claiming something else due to depression?? what has depression got to do with it? May I ask though do you have depression? depression is associated with loss. Many triggers are traumatic events such as loss of loved one (death/relationship split/children leaving home), loss of job (and identity), acute medical episode with chronic after effects (eg stroke and loss of limb/speech/swallowing). Other triggers are caused by a cumulative effect, so someone struggling on low income may become isolated because they cannot afford to socialise (perceived or factual). Perhaps they "treat" themselves on odd occasions but take that away from them and what enjoyment have they got? If no enjoyment occurs then you're at risk of depression. " it's also caused by your body absorbing chemicals before your brain has had time to use them. Clinical depression doesn't go away, symptoms can be controlled but you never get your old self back and your brain doesn't function how it did before the depression set in | |||
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"If you took away all these so called luxuries from people claiming JSA.... How long do you think it would be before they are claiming something else due to depression?? what has depression got to do with it? May I ask though do you have depression? depression is associated with loss. Many triggers are traumatic events such as loss of loved one (death/relationship split/children leaving home), loss of job (and identity), acute medical episode with chronic after effects (eg stroke and loss of limb/speech/swallowing). Other triggers are caused by a cumulative effect, so someone struggling on low income may become isolated because they cannot afford to socialise (perceived or factual). Perhaps they "treat" themselves on odd occasions but take that away from them and what enjoyment have they got? If no enjoyment occurs then you're at risk of depression. it's also caused by your body absorbing chemicals before your brain has had time to use them. Clinical depression doesn't go away, symptoms can be controlled but you never get your old self back and your brain doesn't function how it did before the depression set in " Do you have the references to the studies which concluded that, please? | |||
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"If you took away all these so called luxuries from people claiming JSA.... How long do you think it would be before they are claiming something else due to depression?? what has depression got to do with it? May I ask though do you have depression? depression is associated with loss. Many triggers are traumatic events such as loss of loved one (death/relationship split/children leaving home), loss of job (and identity), acute medical episode with chronic after effects (eg stroke and loss of limb/speech/swallowing). Other triggers are caused by a cumulative effect, so someone struggling on low income may become isolated because they cannot afford to socialise (perceived or factual). Perhaps they "treat" themselves on odd occasions but take that away from them and what enjoyment have they got? If no enjoyment occurs then you're at risk of depression. it's also caused by your body absorbing chemicals before your brain has had time to use them. Clinical depression doesn't go away, symptoms can be controlled but you never get your old self back and your brain doesn't function how it did before the depression set in " That's incorrect unless you're confusing it with chronic depression and continue to be medicated. Depression can be treated in a multitude of ways, not just medication. It needs the biopsychosocial approach. | |||
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"Biggest luxury for many on benefits is cigarettes! Who on earth do they afford them if they don't get enough in benefits in the first place. " Disagree, i dont smoke but know that for those that do its like a drug, and they may have to go without other things for themselves, not their kids though. i think they should smoke less though, they would have to because they are so expensive. can you imagine how bad your life would be being unemployed, then not being able to have a fag to make you feel better. | |||
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"Biggest luxury for many on benefits is cigarettes! Who on earth do they afford them if they don't get enough in benefits in the first place. Disagree, i dont smoke but know that for those that do its like a drug, and they may have to go without other things for themselves, not their kids though. i think they should smoke less though, they would have to because they are so expensive. can you imagine how bad your life would be being unemployed, then not being able to have a fag to make you feel better." Its a luxury you don't need it to live! If someone really wants to smoke get off their arse and get a job its a huge intensive if they need it so much. I would say the same with alcohol thats a big luxury too. | |||
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"Point taken about internet access as you even have to put a claim for JSA now on line If the government sanctioned this then surely they should make access available to everyone including those in rural areas You sure about that re JSA? I don't think that's the case at all. " 100% sure in Derby anyway, it could differ in other parts of the country though. | |||
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"Alcohol fast food sky tv holidays are all luxury. But a car in most cases enable people to work " I know of two sets of people. One set of people have sky tv (full package) and the Internet, they go on several day trips every 2 months or so to holiday resorts. No one in the family works and there's 5 adults. They have had a 2 houses between them and they splash out on junk food as well as the basics, meat and 2 veg, etc. Plus their household repairs always get fixed for free. Apart from one adult who worked for a month in 10 years opportunity of employment age. No one in that family has ever worked and there is nothing wrong with them physically/emotionally or mentally. Second set of people struggle to pay their bills, never mind buying basic food. So healthy/balanced food normally goes out the window. They don't go travelling and when they do its within 50ish miles as they use their free bus pass and just make a few sandwiches for the journey. They own their own home. So the structure of the house is in perfect condition, but as people maintain a nice house by fixing/replacing/decorating the things when they need doing. Due to serious ill health for both adults. The inside of the house of most rooms in terms of decorating and furniture. Things stated to fall apart and as a nice gesture. Their child decorated a few rooms and bought a 3 piece suite for them and classed it as a form of rent. So atleast they could relax somewhere nice. These people have worked about 50 years between them and all they get is their benefits cut. Whereas the other set of people. Seem to have a really easy life. Wish I was head of this area. I'd sort the problem out as its not rocket science. Although I could be wrong . I still would love to give it a try though. | |||
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"Wish I was head of this area. I'd sort the problem out as its not rocket science. Although I could be wrong . I still would love to give it a try though. " Great! Let's hear it then!... | |||
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"Wish I was head of this area. I'd sort the problem out as its not rocket science. Although I could be wrong . I still would love to give it a try though. Great! Let's hear it then!..." I know there are a lot of people on benefit. So its easier said than done, but you can still try to the best of your ability. Basically pick an area where the benefits are high on the people who have never been in permanent employment or even a student. Like I said. A person pushing 30 who looks/acts health and has never worked before. Something must be up. So just do some private investigating. Basically spy on them without their knowledge to see how able they are. Then the authorities can proceed how they see fit. Maybe stop all forms benefit and offer them a job working for the council instead and with the money they save. Give it to the people who you see that are genuine and hard up. As I said. Easier said than done, but its worth a try as what they are doing is wrong at the moment anyway. | |||
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"Point taken about internet access as you even have to put a claim for JSA now on line If the government sanctioned this then surely they should make access available to everyone including those in rural areas You sure about that re JSA? I don't think that's the case at all. 100% sure in Derby anyway, it could differ in other parts of the country though." Yes it is right if you haven't signed up to the job centre website online your benefits are atopped and you have to attend an inter_iew regardless of wether you have searched for jobs by other means and have proof of it. This has happened to someone I know. | |||
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"You go on a course and set up a UJ (Universal Jobmatch) account and can then apply for jobs on line, sending off prospective letters, c.v. etc. the job centre staff have access to this and can keep track of how many vacancies you have applied for using this method. " Regardless of the methods used to find vacancies and apply for jobs, I wouldn't have thought not being offered the position would be too difficult to engineer. | |||
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