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"Letzgohunting has folded now that one of the suspects has commited suicide, what are people's opinions on this group & it's activities? I for one agree with the concept of their vigilantism but think they "jumped the gun" by identifying the suspects on video prior to conviction!" I don't agree with vigilantism. I think it's a dangerous path to go down. While it may flush out the baddies it also tends to make mistakes. Let people whose job it is to catch the bad guys do that. | |||
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"Letzgohunting has folded now that one of the suspects has commited suicide, what are people's opinions on this group & it's activities? I for one agree with the concept of their vigilantism but think they "jumped the gun" by identifying the suspects on video prior to conviction! I don't agree with vigilantism. I think it's a dangerous path to go down. While it may flush out the baddies it also tends to make mistakes. Let people whose job it is to catch the bad guys do that. " If the people whose "job" it is were successful, or even remotely interested in stopping these people then there would be no reason for the existence of vigilanties! It's a sad truth that as catching perverts & sicko's does not produce financial results it gets lower priority! The police will wait till some little child had been violated then "IF" it's reported they begin the lumbering process of trying to ascertain blame. These guys sift through the filth among us & single out perverts that are searching online for suitable victims for grooming for sex, & expose them in the hope it may prevent some pervert from being successful. | |||
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"Letzgohunting has folded now that one of the suspects has commited suicide, what are people's opinions on this group & it's activities? I for one agree with the concept of their vigilantism but think they "jumped the gun" by identifying the suspects on video prior to conviction! I don't agree with vigilantism. I think it's a dangerous path to go down. While it may flush out the baddies it also tends to make mistakes. Let people whose job it is to catch the bad guys do that. If the people whose "job" it is were successful, or even remotely interested in stopping these people then there would be no reason for the existence of vigilanties! It's a sad truth that as catching perverts & sicko's does not produce financial results it gets lower priority! The police will wait till some little child had been violated then "IF" it's reported they begin the lumbering process of trying to ascertain blame. These guys sift through the filth among us & single out perverts that are searching online for suitable victims for grooming for sex, & expose them in the hope it may prevent some pervert from being successful." The sad truth is that the evidence these vigilantes gather is not admissible in court and often taints or prejudices a case. I don't know the methods they use and have not seen transcripts of the conversations they have with these guys and this makes me very uneasy. Who is grooming who? Vigilantism is a slippery path... How long before they take it on themselves to deal out what they consider justice too?! I don't think it's that it isn't considered important I think it's that our police force is being cut and they don't have the resources. And yes, while they may expose some, the may also ruin an innocent man's life by publicly labelling him as something he isn't. | |||
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"Hence my opinion that they "jumped the gun" they should have gathered evidence, presented it to the police (keeping copies) then after conviction released the complete dossier publicly, the police could have given them some sort of acknowledgement but not endorsement, thereby making it public! It might make at least one perv decide against acting on his fantasies, in my eyes, That's a result!" The evidence they gather is not admissible in court. It serves no legal purpose. And what if you were the guy they identified wrongly? | |||
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"If they had a picture of me & phone conversations of my voice chatting to a girl I believed was 13, making arrangements to meet at a local park for sex........ How could they be wrong? My IP address would be enough evidence to convict me!" There was a case where a guy (who went through a horror with his own daughter) went online in chat rooms. There are young sexually aggressive girls who don't understand what they are doing and just need to meet the wrong person who will take advantage of that. This guy went into chat rooms and arranged to meet them and took them home to the parents and advised the parents what was going on. On other occasions he gathered enough information to send a letter. His motives were to protect other children from what his child went through and protect other parents from that pain. He would be collared by these vigilantes . Where are you getting your information about this group from by the way? | |||
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"Letzgohunting has folded now that one of the suspects has commited suicide, what are people's opinions on this group & it's activities? I for one agree with the concept of their vigilantism but think they "jumped the gun" by identifying the suspects on video prior to conviction!" Idiots who think they are above the law they claim to defend. There is no place in society for this sort of behaviour. | |||
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"If they had a picture of me & phone conversations of my voice chatting to a girl I believed was 13, making arrangements to meet at a local park for sex........ How could they be wrong? My IP address would be enough evidence to convict me! There was a case where a guy (who went through a horror with his own daughter) went online in chat rooms. There are young sexually aggressive girls who don't understand what they are doing and just need to meet the wrong person who will take advantage of that. This guy went into chat rooms and arranged to meet them and took them home to the parents and advised the parents what was going on. On other occasions he gathered enough information to send a letter. His motives were to protect other children from what his child went through and protect other parents from that pain. He would be collared by these vigilantes . Where are you getting your information about this group from by the way?" Where do you get yours from? | |||
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"Hence my opinion that they "jumped the gun" they should have gathered evidence, presented it to the police (keeping copies) then after conviction released the complete dossier publicly, the police could have given them some sort of acknowledgement but not endorsement, thereby making it public! It might make at least one perv decide against acting on his fantasies, in my eyes, That's a result!" This.  | |||
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"If they had a picture of me & phone conversations of my voice chatting to a girl I believed was 13, making arrangements to meet at a local park for sex........ How could they be wrong? My IP address would be enough evidence to convict me!" Bollocks! Who else uses that IP address? How about floating IP addresses? You need more evidence than that. This is, and always will be, a Police matter. There is no place for the high and mighty who think they are above or better than the law. How do you know that all these vigilantes are a pure as the driven snow? Could one of them not using the group as their in to vulnerable kids? What happens when they get it wrong? You will always get the idiot "no smoke without far" brigade and a the wrongly accussed person's life is ruined. | |||
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"If they had a picture of me & phone conversations of my voice chatting to a girl I believed was 13, making arrangements to meet at a local park for sex........ How could they be wrong? My IP address would be enough evidence to convict me! There was a case where a guy (who went through a horror with his own daughter) went online in chat rooms. There are young sexually aggressive girls who don't understand what they are doing and just need to meet the wrong person who will take advantage of that. This guy went into chat rooms and arranged to meet them and took them home to the parents and advised the parents what was going on. On other occasions he gathered enough information to send a letter. His motives were to protect other children from what his child went through and protect other parents from that pain. He would be collared by these vigilantes . Where are you getting your information about this group from by the way?" They post everything on faecesbook | |||
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"If they had a picture of me & phone conversations of my voice chatting to a girl I believed was 13, making arrangements to meet at a local park for sex........ How could they be wrong? My IP address would be enough evidence to convict me! There was a case where a guy (who went through a horror with his own daughter) went online in chat rooms. There are young sexually aggressive girls who don't understand what they are doing and just need to meet the wrong person who will take advantage of that. This guy went into chat rooms and arranged to meet them and took them home to the parents and advised the parents what was going on. On other occasions he gathered enough information to send a letter. His motives were to protect other children from what his child went through and protect other parents from that pain. He would be collared by these vigilantes . Where are you getting your information about this group from by the way? They post everything on faecesbook" Yet the founder asked the press to keep his identity hidden! | |||
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"Letzgohunting has folded now that one of the suspects has commited suicide, what are people's opinions on this group & it's activities? I for one agree with the concept of their vigilantism but think they "jumped the gun" by identifying the suspects on video prior to conviction! Idiots who think they are above the law they claim to defend. There is no place in society for this sort of behaviour. " "Letzgohunting has folded now that one of the suspects has commited suicide, what are people's opinions on this group & it's activities? I for one agree with the concept of their vigilantism but think they "jumped the gun" by identifying the suspects on video prior to conviction! Idiots who think they are above the law they claim to defend. There is no place in society for this sort of behaviour. " Not above the law they "defend" the law they "support" where the police don't have the resources! As has been mentioned previously, the videos are not permissible in a court of law, but they definitely are a good foundation for a police investigation, if the suspect was a "guardian angel" type then when the police questioned the other girls parents they would immediately inform the police that "this man is a good man who may even have saved our daughters life"! With any evidence not being released to the general public the suspect would suffer no more than a "bit of a fright" On the other hand if the suspect is a sicko then when questioning the parents of children he's been contacting they would not know him, then in police inter_iew they could play him the phone recordings, the videos, show him the transcripts of his conversations with his potential victims, if he didn't confess & make a statement & duly get charged, prosecuted. Then at least he would be a lot less likely to try to groom children on the web in future, ergo a safer environment for kids! Additionally the more that get caught & are publicly exposed (following conviction) by the Vig's the less likely other pervs are going to be to try and groom on places like Facebook! | |||
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"If they had a picture of me & phone conversations of my voice chatting to a girl I believed was 13, making arrangements to meet at a local park for sex........ How could they be wrong? My IP address would be enough evidence to convict me! Bollocks! Who else uses that IP address? How about floating IP addresses? You need more evidence than that. This is, and always will be, a Police matter. There is no place for the high and mighty who think they are above or better than the law. How do you know that all these vigilantes are a pure as the driven snow? Could one of them not using the group as their in to vulnerable kids? What happens when they get it wrong? You will always get the idiot "no smoke without far" brigade and a the wrongly accussed person's life is ruined. " Hmm. Quite an aggressive response! I think you'll find that there are no kids in the group for anyone who is not "driven snow" material to get an "in" to! As for all the other (threatened animal) sounding defence you wrote about "floating/shared) ip addresses, well, if I were to chat online with someone & give them my name, even a false one & make arrangements by phone to meet for sex, then attend a prearranged meeting place the. It'd be a bit difficult to deny that I was the person calling himself bill bloggs or whatever & a sicko! You see, they never arranged a meet unless the sicko had been told time and time again that the girl was underage, they then waited where the meet was s'posed to happen, the guy turns up & is waiting for the girl & then they start filming & questioning! The guy often admits to arranging to meet the kid etc. This material is then handed to arresting police officers! The only thing wrong is that they publicised the videos before charge/conviction! Quite scarey eh? If your a paedophile of course......! | |||
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"n! Quite scarey eh? If your a paedophile of course......!" or an innocent person wrongly badged and trying to rid themselves of the stigma. | |||
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"Hence my opinion that they "jumped the gun" they should have gathered evidence, presented it to the police (keeping copies) then after conviction released the complete dossier publicly, the police could have given them some sort of acknowledgement but not endorsement, thereby making it public! It might make at least one perv decide against acting on his fantasies, in my eyes, That's a result! The evidence they gather is not admissible in court. It serves no legal purpose. And what if you were the guy they identified wrongly?" If people think, or look back in the records, we had a case of people harasing a pediatric doctor because the local mob were unable to differentiate pediactric from pedophile so it can be very dangerous. | |||
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"I find myself pondering the motivation of these vigilantes. ." I would suspect in a minority of cases, I repeat a minority, they may be busy deflecting from themselves. | |||
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"Google Stinson hunter. Doing a great job of revealing the scum of society and I applaud their efforts. It's a pity the police aren't as active because this problem isn't going away" | |||
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