FabSwingers.com forum: Men talking about respecting women

By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

On Woman's Hour.

The Pussy drink as, Robin Thicke video and how objectifying women feeds into how young men think about women.

Should boys be taught to respect women in school?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Arrrrrhhh

Young pirates should be taught to be respectful of all the people they plunder. Not just the wenches and fine ladies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Shouldn't parents just teach their children to respect everyone?

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Arrrrrhhh

Young pirates should be taught to be respectful of all the people they plunder. Not just the wenches and fine ladies. "

Is it talk like a pirate day already?

It's a good debate they are having.

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

it be pirates day again me gorgeous wench

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Shouldn't parents just teach their children to respect everyone?"

They should but the case is being made that the images, advertising and wider messages in society send a _iew of women that makes this almost impossible for parents to do alone. A point made by a man.

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto

Not impossible to do by parents alone, but needs very strong guidance and exemplary role models.

It would also need to distinguish between feminism and new age radical feminism, the latter which sends out quite a poisonous message at times. That is of course, what stubborn men, and those with misogynistic _iews cling to in defence of "the old ways"

I could go on, but you get my drift.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Should boys be taught to respect women in school?"

They should be taught to respect them out of school too

I've seen a lot of comments by women 'objectifying' Robin Thicke.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope, parents should teach there kids manners and respect.

I don't mean any disrespect but I'm getting tired of seeing parents in the paper demanding schools teach kids things that the parents can do, one example is the parents who unfortunately lost there daughter to domestic abuse and they were calling on the government to get schools to teach kids the wrongs of domestic abuse, why couldn't the parents sit her down and talk to her.

and don't get me started on this porn filter there putting in place

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Should boys be taught to respect women in school?

They should be taught to respect them out of school too

I've seen a lot of comments by women 'objectifying' Robin Thicke. "

I had a bad night and morning. My typing is rubbish right now. Is the objectification of men as prevalent; does it lead to men becoming a sub class in society?

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

How about getting women to respect women? Lost count of the times I've heard women slating other women for a variety of reasons. In fact I've heard women use the horrible word "slag" more times than I've heard men use it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When massive sections of popular media objectify women into nothing more than porn star look a likes that are there for no other reason than to be used as sex objects hanging off of pimps arms then I think that yes respect for women does need to be given some priority

I would have said that should come from fathers or father figures but im more than aware that lots of boys don't have that in their lives and some would rather lean on peers groups throughout puberty for guidance rather than an adult influence

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto

"Should boys be taught to respect women in school?

They should be taught to respect them out of school too

I've seen a lot of comments by women 'objectifying' Robin Thicke.

I had a bad night and morning. My typing is rubbish right now. Is the objectification of men as prevalent; does it lead to men becoming a sub class in society?"

Nope, it isn't the default. If anything, some would argue it is addressing the balance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyone being disrespectable to young maidens should be hung from the yardarm me hearties!

Aaarrrrfff

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not impossible to do by parents alone, but needs very strong guidance and exemplary role models.

I could go on, but you get my drift."

Probably not what was hinted at, but this post reminded of some recent judges' verdicts about young girls 'having asked for it' by their way of dressing. No they didn't, but there's definitely something to be said about sending out mixed signals. Self-respect should definitely be taught and promoted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nope, parents should teach there kids manners and respect.

and don't get me started on this porn filter there putting in place

Why would the parents talk to her when the father was the abuser (therefore seeing nothing wrong in his behaviour) and the mother most possibly in a hopeless situation without any voice???

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

"When massive sections of popular media objectify women into nothing more than porn star look a likes that are there for no other reason than to be used as sex objects hanging off of pimps arms then I think that yes respect for women does need to be given some priority

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So the media actually encourage women to be pimped out? Can you give an example of that please?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Times are changing and i have to admit i hate it

men think women are just objects

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto

So the media actually encourage women to be pimped out? Can you give an example of that please?"

Look around. Any rap video of the last decade. And i say this as a fan of rap music. Hell, most pop videos are guilty

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So the media actually encourage women to be pimped out? Can you give an example of that please?"

No not to you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"On Woman's Hour.

The Pussy drink as, Robin Thicke video and how objectifying women feeds into how young men think about women.

Should boys be taught to respect women in school?"

Its a social problem to with a doctoral program of social rules and taboos that brain wash people into believing lots of different ideas about how society should function .

So as society like to think women should be whiter than white the minute one is not whiter than white the negative side of such programing comes into play .

Which in its lightest form is name calling ( not nice by the way ) leading all the way up to physical assault.

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto

"Not impossible to do by parents alone, but needs very strong guidance and exemplary role models.

I could go on, but you get my drift.

I remember that one. Self respect definitely needs to be promoted, but at the same time, male _iews of women (in general) need to improve.

Skimpy clothing does not equal consent, or even enticement. Same with being naked. No man is "entitled" to a woman's body regardless of her state of garment modesty, etc etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is the objectification of men as prevalent; does it lead to men becoming a sub class in society?"

Are young women a sub class?

Society is becoming more sexualised. I'm not sure that bothers younger generations as much as it does older.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

"Not impossible to do by parents alone, but needs very strong guidance and exemplary role models.

I could go on, but you get my drift.

I remember that one. Self respect definitely needs to be promoted, but at the same time, male _iews of women (in general) need to improve.

Skimpy clothing does not equal consent, or even enticement. Same with being naked. No man is "entitled" to a woman's body regardless of her state of garment modesty, etc etc"
Indeed. May I ask who forces these women in the papers and on videos to be dressed like that? Are they forced by threats?

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

So the media actually encourage women to be pimped out? Can you give an example of that please?

No not to you "
Thanks for that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nope, parents should teach there kids manners and respect.

and don't get me started on this porn filter there putting in place

Why would the parents talk to her when the father was the abuser (therefore seeing nothing wrong in his behaviour) and the mother most possibly in a hopeless situation without any voice???"

Wasn't talking about the story, the daughter was killed by her boyfriend

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I was brought up by my mum and sister and have respected women for most of my life, I prefer to work for women and love seeing women break through the glass ceiling

Do I respect all women today: no

I don't disrespect them, I avoid some that I prefer not to interact with.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As for the women being _iewed as objects I take it you mean sex object ......that's male evolutionary programing at work for reproduction .

Its part of male make up and as the men hold lot if power in the media is understandable that such images exist .

But its not mens thought its a social programing problem that says this is right this is wrong .

Once you bring in right and wrong that's when the problems to do with respecting each other equally come into play

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Look around. Any rap video of the last decade. And i say this as a fan of rap music. Hell, most pop videos are guilty"

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I have been doing some work with 16/17 year old college students on what it is to be a man today. A lot of them don't have fathers who parent them. They have taken their cues from music videos, messages from peers and porn.

The biggest change I have noted is that their attitudes to women have changed to one of more respect as they have been presented with the reality of where their brand of objectifying women can lead.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Skimpy clothing does not equal consent, or even enticement. Same with being naked. No man is "entitled" to a woman's body regardless of her state of garment modesty, etc etcIndeed.

May I ask who forces these women in the papers and on videos to be dressed like that? Are they forced by threats?"

It's not usually threats, it's 'promises' of fame and fortune - all you have to do is get your kit off.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

"Look around. Any rap video of the last decade. And i say this as a fan of rap music. Hell, most pop videos are guilty

Personally I'd say this is because rap is a musical style tied into street culture, generally seen as the voice of those born with little in the way of monetary advantage and forced to 'fight for survival' (at least that's the ego boost those who consider themselves 'street' would like others to think). Thusly, when you have these typical rap videos featuring pool/beach parties where the rapper is surrounded by stunning women in bikinis all vying for his attention whilst he's draped in jewellery and driving fast cars, they're basically portrayed as the spoils of his success, so he can brag about where he came from, how high he's climbed and basically how much more of a man he is than everyone else."
Only morons like rap and what it stands for.Those with that tiny mindset probaly would never respect women anyway unfortunately

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Skimpy clothing does not equal consent, or even enticement. Same with being naked. No man is "entitled" to a woman's body regardless of her state of garment modesty, etc etcIndeed.

May I ask who forces these women in the papers and on videos to be dressed like that? Are they forced by threats?

It's not usually threats, it's 'promises' of fame and fortune - all you have to do is get your kit off."
You mean a job offer of paid work where you have a choice to do it or not then? Yes?

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Is the objectification of men as prevalent; does it lead to men becoming a sub class in society?

Are young women a sub class?

Society is becoming more sexualised. I'm not sure that bothers younger generations as much as it does older."

With Godfrey Bloom and Nigel Farrage able to say it's acceptable for employers to 'bend' the law and not employ women if a childbearing age something is happening to the _iew of women as a class of people.

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto

"As for the women being _iewed as objects I take it you mean sex object ......that's male evolutionary programing at work for reproduction .

Its part of male make up......"

I mean no offence, but i feel this is a dangerous line of thinking.

We are programmed to mate, sure, and our testosterone fuels that desire. But there's a big difference between wanting to spread your seed and _iewing women as potential sex objects for your pleasure. With the former, it is still possible to respect women as equals. The latter, noooope!

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto

"Only morons like rap and what it stands for.Those with that tiny mindset probaly would never respect women anyway unfortunately"

Gotcha. Guess i'll go sut in the moron corner with the rest of the plebs huh?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Look around. Any rap video of the last decade. And i say this as a fan of rap music. Hell, most pop videos are guilty

Personally I'd say this is because rap is a musical style tied into street culture, generally seen as the voice of those born with little in the way of monetary advantage and forced to 'fight for survival' (at least that's the ego boost those who consider themselves 'street' would like others to think). Thusly, when you have these typical rap videos featuring pool/beach parties where the rapper is surrounded by stunning women in bikinis all vying for his attention whilst he's draped in jewellery and driving fast cars, they're basically portrayed as the spoils of his success, so he can brag about where he came from, how high he's climbed and basically how much more of a man he is than everyone else.Only morons like rap and what it stands for.Those with that tiny mindset probaly would never respect women anyway unfortunately"

Only narrow minded fuckwits would make blanket statements about whole sections of society that enjoy a popular culture

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"As for the women being _iewed as objects I take it you mean sex object ......that's male evolutionary programing at work for reproduction .

Its part of male make up......

I mean no offence, but i feel this is a dangerous line of thinking.

Love, enjoy, relish the difference in our genders but understand we are different and should be equal and respected.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nope, parents should teach there kids manners and respect.

and don't get me started on this porn filter there putting in place

Why would the parents talk to her when the father was the abuser (therefore seeing nothing wrong in his behaviour) and the mother most possibly in a hopeless situation without any voice???

Wasn't talking about the story, the daughter was killed by her boyfriend"

I took 'lost' to mean removed rather than killed

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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I remember that one. Self respect definitely needs to be promoted, but at the same time, male _iews of women (in general) need to improve.

Skimpy clothing does not equal consent, or even enticement. Same with being naked. No man is "entitled" to a woman's body regardless of her state of garment modesty, etc etc"

Indeed not, but I do think the way young girls dress is indicative of the roles/attitudes that prevail. Many do wander around looking like something out of a porn movie - I suspect because that is what is expected and demanded of them by the young lads they hope to win approval from. I call them the porn generation.

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By *ollie_JCouple
over a year ago

London

I thought it was an interesting discussion and thought provoking when they mentioned the "yes boss" analogy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is the objectification of men as prevalent; does it lead to men becoming a sub class in society?

Are young women a sub class?

Society is becoming more sexualised. I'm not sure that bothers younger generations as much as it does older.

Hardly universally supported _iews and again I'd point out a generational split.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I thought it was an interesting discussion and thought provoking when they mentioned the "yes boss" analogy"

Yes, that was interesting and not one I had come across before in the wider debate.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Skimpy clothing does not equal consent, or even enticement. Same with being naked. No man is "entitled" to a woman's body regardless of her state of garment modesty, etc etcIndeed.

May I ask who forces these women in the papers and on videos to be dressed like that? Are they forced by threats?

It's not usually threats, it's 'promises' of fame and fortune - all you have to do is get your kit off.You mean a job offer of paid work where you have a choice to do it or not then? Yes?"

"paid work" isn't the same as a promise of fame and fortune.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

"Only morons like rap and what it stands for.Those with that tiny mindset probaly would never respect women anyway unfortunately

Gotcha. Guess i'll go sut in the moron corner with the rest of the plebs huh?

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Whatever suits.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Is the objectification of men as prevalent; does it lead to men becoming a sub class in society?

Are young women a sub class?

Society is becoming more sexualised. I'm not sure that bothers younger generations as much as it does older.

Hardly universally supported _iews and again I'd point out a generational split.

Not universally supported but it'd be folly to pretend such _iews don't exist out there or that women of childbearing age aren't passed over for employment at times just for that reason.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

"Look around. Any rap video of the last decade. And i say this as a fan of rap music. Hell, most pop videos are guilty

Personally I'd say this is because rap is a musical style tied into street culture, generally seen as the voice of those born with little in the way of monetary advantage and forced to 'fight for survival' (at least that's the ego boost those who consider themselves 'street' would like others to think). Thusly, when you have these typical rap videos featuring pool/beach parties where the rapper is surrounded by stunning women in bikinis all vying for his attention whilst he's draped in jewellery and driving fast cars, they're basically portrayed as the spoils of his success, so he can brag about where he came from, how high he's climbed and basically how much more of a man he is than everyone else.Only morons like rap and what it stands for.Those with that tiny mindset probaly would never respect women anyway unfortunately

Only narrow minded fuckwits would make blanket statements about whole sections of society that enjoy a popular culture"
|But that is what 99% of people on here are doing anyway.lol.

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto

I remember that one. Self respect definitely needs to be promoted, but at the same time, male _iews of women (in general) need to improve.

Skimpy clothing does not equal consent, or even enticement. Same with being naked. No man is "entitled" to a woman's body regardless of her state of garment modesty, etc etc

You are right, it is a sad state of affairs. And an almost neverending circle in that it informs young male behaviour, which many carry into later life unless educated out of such.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In terms of respect for women. I think a whole lot of that depends on the principles and the manners in which a person grew up.

In my point of _iew, what you teach young kids in the early stages of their lives and during their early teens really does shape the outlook they have of life in general and women.

There are many that i work with, both older and younger whose behaviour towards women are to me quite shocking.

For example, for the older men. Whenever they see a beautiful girl they do tend to make comments about them and begin to try on their best charm. They know they wont get far and they are just having a laugh, trying to have a lighthearted moment.

On the other hand, the younger guys who i work with have more of a rating system for women. Which for me, is quite derogatory. The girl is in the shop to shop and they are there describing what they would like to do and if she is 'wife' material. To me, that is shocking.

By that you can tell how the mentality is different between the two generations. The older generation seem to have that respect of the girl as a woman and trying to make her laugh. Whereas, the younger generation dont seem to have that respect for a girl that walks past but to make comments and so forth.

For me, the latter is worse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As for the women being _iewed as objects I take it you mean sex object ......that's male evolutionary programing at work for reproduction .

Its part of male make up......

I mean no offence, but i feel this is a dangerous line of thinking.

Agree but there are no to ways around this male sexuality is a dangerous thing in the hands of a unbalanced mind .where as in a balanced mind its just looking and day dreaming nothing more no disrepectfull thoughts involved just imoral ones never to be act apon unless invited to .

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

I remember that one. Self respect definitely needs to be promoted, but at the same time, male _iews of women (in general) need to improve.

Skimpy clothing does not equal consent, or even enticement. Same with being naked. No man is "entitled" to a woman's body regardless of her state of garment modesty, etc etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Look around. Any rap video of the last decade. And i say this as a fan of rap music. Hell, most pop videos are guilty

Personally I'd say this is because rap is a musical style tied into street culture, generally seen as the voice of those born with little in the way of monetary advantage and forced to 'fight for survival' (at least that's the ego boost those who consider themselves 'street' would like others to think). Thusly, when you have these typical rap videos featuring pool/beach parties where the rapper is surrounded by stunning women in bikinis all vying for his attention whilst he's draped in jewellery and driving fast cars, they're basically portrayed as the spoils of his success, so he can brag about where he came from, how high he's climbed and basically how much more of a man he is than everyone else.Only morons like rap and what it stands for.Those with that tiny mindset probaly would never respect women anyway unfortunately"
t is one thing for lyrics in rap and dancehall to come from the street. It is another for major record labels to make videos for artists aimed at white middle class kids depicting females as no more than sex objects. Single parent families with no male role model have always had a problem which has exacerbated the situation.

We all grow up listening to the music of our peers. To suggest that anyone listening to rap is bigoted and narrowminded and shows no insight into the great social comment of rappers such as NWA Run DMC and public enemy

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto

I remember that one. Self respect definitely needs to be promoted, but at the same time, male _iews of women (in general) need to improve.

Skimpy clothing does not equal consent, or even enticement. Same with being naked. No man is "entitled" to a woman's body regardless of her state of garment modesty, etc etc

Stop trolling and learn to read. She said "young girls". It is self explanatory.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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generation.So are you saying women can't or shouldn't be allowed to wear the outfits of their choice? Very dictatorial."

No I am not. I am saying what they are wearing is indicative of the fact that they are being objectified and _iewed with disrespect by the men of their age. They are conforming to the image that is being demanded of them, and I wonder how many of them struggle with self-respect.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

generation.So are you saying women can't or shouldn't be allowed to wear the outfits of their choice? Very dictatorial.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Shouldn't parents just teach their children to respect everyone?

you could not send this _iew of women with out women who want too, so id say it would work a lot better to teach girls to respect them selves

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Back on topic, is there any value to teaching our young men and women to respect each other and themselves through the education system?

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto

"Back on topic, is there any value to teaching our young men and women to respect each other and themselves through the education system?"

There could be an element to it, but i believe this should primarily start and come from home. Unless that opportunity is unavailable to the individual.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Back on topic, is there any value to teaching our young men and women to respect each other and themselves through the education system?"

Society is a machine and people are the cogs, gears and springs that make it run. Respect is the teeth that allow those gears to mesh together, therefor those who lack respect for those around them will never function as productive components of the machine.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Shouldn't parents just teach their children to respect everyone?

you could not send this _iew of women with out women who want too, so id say it would work a lot better to teach girls to respect them selves

It starts very early. Gendered toys, even gendered yoghurt now. It doesn't work much better if you teach only one gender and expect the other to what? Carry on and have the weight of power and history entitling them to their _iews?

Women can and are misogynistic too. The worst open misogyny I have seen comes from other women. However, the worst, life affecting subtle misogyny comes from male societal structures.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

I was unsure at first but now I KNOW you're taking the piss

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Back on topic, is there any value to teaching our young men and women to respect each other and themselves through the education system?"

no it has to be done at home , when will people learn , the more you exspect the school to do, the least you exspect to do yourself , the worse the children turn out , simples

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not universally supported but it'd be folly to pretend such _iews don't exist out there or that women of childbearing age aren't passed over for employment at times just for that reason."

For sure. My points are 1. they're attitudes that are not prevalent - which is progress. 2. I think older generations are more hung up on the 'objectification' thing, younger ones are (possibly) more comfortable with the sexualisation.

Whether that is positive progress (people less hung up on nudity, sex etc.) or whether in the future people will regret having their naked images freely available across various media I don't know.

Will sexual discrimination strengthen? I doubt it, more likely it will die out with the relics.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"On Woman's Hour.

The Pussy drink as, Robin Thicke video and how objectifying women feeds into how young men think about women.

Should boys be taught to respect women in school?"

WE should all be taught to respect each other, boys and girls in school. It is not just men that objectify women, women do objectify men as well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

o shit , i just slapped a lady cause she was trying to take my fire arm after i pinched her moms ass , thing i may take out a garda now , hes trying to arrest me

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

respect.So they are weakminded then?"

Some may be. Most are simply overwhelmed IMO. God, I heard that schoolboys are demanding pussy pics before they will date a fellow schoolgirl. WTF!!!!!???

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"Times are changing and i have to admit i hate it

men think women are just objects"
What a blanket statement, weird really considering you are on a swingers site and guys will look at your pictures and objectify you.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Not universally supported but it'd be folly to pretend such _iews don't exist out there or that women of childbearing age aren't passed over for employment at times just for that reason.

Whether that is positive progress (people less hung up on nudity, sex etc.) or whether in the future people will regret having their naked images freely available across various media I don't know.

Will sexual discrimination strengthen? I doubt it, more likely it will die out with the relics."

Is not employing a woman of childbearing age a sexual discrimination move or a purely financial decision?

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By *etanreadyCouple
over a year ago

dover

"Shouldn't parents just teach their children to respect everyone?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

that isnt the only problem , there are more under age sluts who have sluts for moms now than ever, IT STARTS AT HOME

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"that isnt the only problem , there are more under age sluts who have sluts for moms now than ever, IT STARTS AT HOME "

wow: who fathered the kids

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By *ezebelWoman
over a year ago

North of The Wall - youll need your vest

Ive removed posts. Can we keep it to a debate without the insults please

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"that isnt the only problem , there are more under age sluts who have sluts for moms now than ever, IT STARTS AT HOME "

Christ on a fucking bike!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

jumped up little dick heads , who fathers have thought them to be arse holes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"that isnt the only problem , there are more under age sluts who have sluts for moms now than ever, IT STARTS AT HOME

Christ on a fucking bike!!!!! "

pmsl

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Ive removed posts. Can we keep it to a debate without the insults please

Thank you. More work still to do though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is not employing a woman of childbearing age a sexual discrimination move or a purely financial decision?"

Both isn't it? Unless you'd also not employ men on the basis of possible childcare issues too. On the flip side I couldn't/wouldn't apply for many jobs because I have children to look after.

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By *atasha_DavidCouple
over a year ago

Slough

Should boys be taught to respect women in school?"

It is not our schools job to teach morals.

It is the responsibility of parents. It is fashionable to blame the media for such matters but in my experience as a parent children have comparatively limited access to non sanitised media. Far more likely is the behavioural model imparted by the parents is faulty.

It should also be remembered that the media is almost exclusively money driven. If adults refuse to pay for misogynist media the media producers would amend their output to reflect this.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Back on topic, is there any value to teaching our young men and women to respect each other and themselves through the education system?

no it has to be done at home , when will people learn , the more you exspect the school to do, the least you exspect to do yourself , the worse the children turn out , simples

So you have a misogynistic father and a cowed woman teaching respect. Or a man hater teaching her son to hate women as he doesn't want anything more to do with women like that?

You can't teach what you don't know.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Should boys be taught to respect women in school?

It is not our schools job to teach morals.

Actually it is. It's also the responsibility of parents.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"that isnt the only problem , there are more under age sluts who have sluts for moms now than ever, IT STARTS AT HOME

wow: who fathered the kids"

The wonderful men who respect women and have no need to change of course. They are just being men setting babies in wombs and walking away.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

Parents & reinforced by great role models in schools, society, sports coaches & everywhere children interact with adults.

it is continuous learning

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm sorry, but is this thread for real? Or just a wind up? "WE ARE WOMAN, RESPECT US"!! Really?

Most of you are talking about us guys objectifying women, can i just ask what guy made forced you to post pics of your tits, pussies and assholes onto a swinging site?

As for the ops question, my two boys have been taught to treat others as they are treated by them. In other words, respect has to be earned. Not just given when expected!

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Ive removed posts. Can we keep it to a debate without the insults please

Thanks.

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By *atasha_DavidCouple
over a year ago

Slough

So if I understand correctly your stance is that we have to start somewhere so lets educate a new generation so that the faults of the parents are corrected?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry not read all the post but ...... I personaly think if you teach your kids to respect their self ! And teach them how to handle others and gain respect from others ! Then they are in control of there own lives!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

awwwwh , are you a feminest????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"On Woman's Hour.

The Pussy drink as, Robin Thicke video and how objectifying women feeds into how young men think about women.

Should boys be taught to respect women in school?"

Shouldn't the question really be shouldn't children be taught to respect others after all equality works both ways. The way you have put it comes across as a feminist agenda topic.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"Sorry not read all the post but ...... I personaly think if you teach your kids to respect their self ! And teach them how to handle others and gain respect from others ! Then they are in control of there own lives! "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So if I understand correctly your stance is that we have to start somewhere so lets educate a new generation so that the faults of the parents are corrected?"

That's how we've evolved up till now isn't it?

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto

"I'm sorry, but is this thread for real? Or just a wind up? "WE ARE WOMAN, RESPECT US"!! Really?

Most of you are talking about us guys objectifying women, can i just ask what guy made forced you to post pics of your tits, pussies and assholes onto a swinging site?

As for the ops question, my two boys have been taught to treat others as they are treated by them. In other words, respect has to be earned. Not just given when expected!"

Wait...you are aware of the history of women in society right? Not even using Fab as a microcosm for a second.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Back on topic, is there any value to teaching our young men and women to respect each other and themselves through the education system?

no it has to be done at home , when will people learn , the more you exspect the school to do, the least you exspect to do yourself , the worse the children turn out , simples

So you have a misogynistic father and a cowed woman teaching respect. Or a man hater teaching her son to hate women as he doesn't want anything more to do with women like that?

You can't teach what you don't know."

and the only reason you dont know it is you were never thought it at home , all comes back to what your true carers instill in you

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By *atasha_DavidCouple
over a year ago

Slough

That's how we've evolved up till now isn't it?"

I thought that we had evolved by selective adaption

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I'm sorry, but is this thread for real? Or just a wind up? "WE ARE WOMAN, RESPECT US"!! Really?

Most of you are talking about us guys objectifying women, can i just ask what guy made forced you to post pics of your tits, pussies and assholes onto a swinging site?

As for the ops question, my two boys have been taught to treat others as they are treated by them. In other words, respect has to be earned. Not just given when expected!"

The same thing that causes men to post pictures of their cocks, or more often of women 'worshipping' their cock as a LOT of men on this site choose to advertise themselves by showing a picture of a woman, her mouth, her cunt, her tits, her arse with a minor image of any part of them. I use the word worshipping deliberately and I won't be defending it after this. Anyone who understands what I have written will be able to see why. Anyone who doesn't won't want to.

It's a sex site. It is contained and your own post illustrates that this isn't about "WE ARE WOMEN RESPECT US".

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"So if I understand correctly your stance is that we have to start somewhere so lets educate a new generation so that the faults of the parents are corrected?"

That is part of the point. The rest is to be explored about what it is fair, for want of a better word, to teach.

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto

"On Woman's Hour.

The Pussy drink as, Robin Thicke video and how objectifying women feeds into how young men think about women.

Should boys be taught to respect women in school?

Shouldn't the question really be shouldn't children be taught to respect others after all equality works both ways. The way you have put it comes across as a feminist agenda topic. "

Equality works both ways, but we can still acknowledge that we live in a heavily patriarchal society, and a such, equality for women and respect towards them needs to be reinforced more so than the other way round.

This is the basis of feminism at its core. Not the ranty, man hating new age feminists that use the internet as a vehicle to spread their agenda.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no it more about , WE WANT TO MOAN AND HAVE OTHERS TEACH OUT CHILDREN , LISTEN TO US .

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"On Woman's Hour.

The Pussy drink as, Robin Thicke video and how objectifying women feeds into how young men think about women.

Should boys be taught to respect women in school?

Shouldn't the question really be shouldn't children be taught to respect others after all equality works both ways. The way you have put it comes across as a feminist agenda topic. "

What is wrong with a feminist agenda topic? Have a listen to the Woman's Hour discussion to understand why I phrased it that way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's how we've evolved up till now isn't it?

I thought that we had evolved by selective adaption"

erm ok!

I'll suggest education has a bit more influence on attitude.

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By *atasha_DavidCouple
over a year ago

Slough

Its sad that this is turning in to a bit of a troll fest but I suspect that neatly illustrates licketys point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

YES IT DOSE , BUT IT SHOULDNT, AND DOSNT FOR ALL

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm sorry, but is this thread for real? Or just a wind up? "WE ARE WOMAN, RESPECT US"!! Really?

Most of you are talking about us guys objectifying women, can i just ask what guy made forced you to post pics of your tits, pussies and assholes onto a swinging site?

As for the ops question, my two boys have been taught to treat others as they are treated by them. In other words, respect has to be earned. Not just given when expected!

It's a sex site. It is contained and your own post illustrates that this isn't about "WE ARE WOMEN RESPECT US"."

Aaaah. My mistake. So these women are being forced to take part in these pics? Silly me. But, there are far more 'single' women with pics of guys 'worshipping' their pussies, tits and assholes than vice versa. So by your own words, these gals are objectifying the guys then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's how we've evolved up till now isn't it?

I thought that we had evolved by selective adaption

erm ok!

I'll suggest education has a bit more influence on attitude."

YES IT DOSE , BUT IT SHOULDNT AND DOSNT FOR ALL

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"no it more about , WE WANT TO MOAN AND HAVE OTHERS TEACH OUT CHILDREN , LISTEN TO US .

The work I mentioned I have been involved with above came from men recognising that young men were lacking healthy male role models. It's a male only space. No moaning, no listen to us but lots of listening to them and asking them to reverse the _iew and see how they would feel.

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By *ezebelWoman
over a year ago

North of The Wall - youll need your vest

YES IT DOSE , BUT IT SHOULDNT AND DOSNT FOR ALL"

Can you lose the caps please

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's how we've evolved up till now isn't it?

I thought that we had evolved by selective adaption

erm ok!

I'll suggest education has a bit more influence on attitude.

YES IT DOSE , BUT IT SHOULDNT AND DOSNT FOR ALL"

clearly.

But yes it should - that's kind of the point!

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"no it more about , WE WANT TO MOAN AND HAVE OTHERS TEACH OUT CHILDREN , LISTEN TO US .

DONT YOU GET IT , the _iew is reversed every day in everyday life , what are you on about

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Its sad that this is turning in to a bit of a troll fest but I suspect that neatly illustrates licketys point.

QED indeed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

YES IT DOSE , BUT IT SHOULDNT AND DOSNT FOR ALL

Can you lose the caps please

sorry

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"On Woman's Hour.

The Pussy drink as, Robin Thicke video and how objectifying women feeds into how young men think about women.

Should boys be taught to respect women in school?"

No...people should earn respect, by being decent humans...respect will be given freely.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To quote Henry Kissinger

'No one will win the battle of the sexes, there's too much fraternising with the enemy'

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

Aaaah. My mistake. So these women are being forced to take part in these pics? "

That is my point in part - a lot ARE indeed the product of the prevalent attitudes, yes, even though this is obviously not an unbiased example of how people behave out in society because it is very specifically a sex site. But look at my profile, no such pics there - I see no need. And even if I was 21 again there's no way I'd go out on a friday night with no more clothing on than that, and yet it is de rigeur now.

Forced?? Maybe not. Conditioned? Absolutely.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

"On Woman's Hour.

The Pussy drink as, Robin Thicke video and how objectifying women feeds into how young men think about women.

Should boys be taught to respect women in school?"

Interesting and provoking thread, just a thought though, leaving aside violence, coercion, etc surely sex, for men and women, has a large element of objectifying. Fantasy, imagination, anticipation, are drivers that ultimately separates us from the purely functional sex of the animal kingdom.

Of course the objectifying of women culturally as somehow inferior to men is to be abhorred and resisted, and for all their callow brashness I do believe that young people today are more generally aware of sexual politics and less culturally institutionalised than previous generations

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Aaaah. My mistake. So these women are being forced to take part in these pics?

Forced?? Maybe not. Conditioned? Absolutely."

Older people are always bothered by that. Kind of the point and hardly a new thing.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I'm sorry, but is this thread for real? Or just a wind up? "WE ARE WOMAN, RESPECT US"!! Really?

Most of you are talking about us guys objectifying women, can i just ask what guy made forced you to post pics of your tits, pussies and assholes onto a swinging site?

As for the ops question, my two boys have been taught to treat others as they are treated by them. In other words, respect has to be earned. Not just given when expected!

It's a sex site. It is contained and your own post illustrates that this isn't about "WE ARE WOMEN RESPECT US".

As I said those that understand do and those that don't won't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Aaaah. My mistake. So these women are being forced to take part in these pics?

Forced?? Maybe not. Conditioned? Absolutely."

Good answer. And i agree. My whole point was though, perhaps a sex site is the wrong place to ask such a question. After all, a lass who asks "where is respect nowadays"? Yet, has say, "young fresh meat here, fuck me all ways" on her profile is objectifying HERSELF is she not? Respect has to be earned, NOT taught to be freely given. Thats my point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Good answer. And i agree. My whole point was though, perhaps a sex site is the wrong place to ask such a question. After all, a lass who asks "where is respect nowadays"? Yet, has say, "young fresh meat here, fuck me all ways" on her profile is objectifying HERSELF is she not? Respect has to be earned, NOT taught to be freely given. Thats my point."

So you can't respect somebody on a sex site? or somebody that freely expresses their sexual desires?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You have to teach the kids the right values, respect and so forth.

You can't just expect for them to learn it on their own. However, at the same time, how do we ensure or how do we know that we hold the correct values?

..the question now arises of what are the mutual values that we all hold?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Shouldn't parents just teach their children to respect everyone?

you could not send this _iew of women with out women who want too, so id say it would work a lot better to teach girls to respect them selves

Women can and are misogynistic too. The worst open misogyny I have seen comes from other women. However, the worst, life affecting subtle misogyny comes from male societal structures."

I'm sorry but your wrong there are fundamental differences in the brain make up of men and women .

You can not change these fundamental with toys or advertising we are fundamentally different in our brain make up .

Go on the BBC I player look for horizon the documentary series and look for sciences understanding of sex and sexuality through the ages documentary they made .

Its shows what science has learned about human sexuality so far .

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

Well, I respectfully disagree. I think respect for a fellow human is something that should be granted regardless - and to be honest, if someone has no self-respect, they need it more than anyone!!

Sure we can lose respect for someone in a matter of seconds, and if I get the slightest whiff of disrepect talking to someone I walk. But even if we are all objectifying in terms of this site, we can still offer each other respect. Respect and honesty - those are my minimum requirements, even if it's just a quick romp with some hot tottie!!

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"You have to teach the kids the right values, respect and so forth.

You can't just expect for them to learn it on their own. However, at the same time, how do we ensure or how do we know that we hold the correct values?

..the question now arises of what are the mutual values that we all hold?

That is the next question. But I won't be posting it on here today.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So you can't respect somebody on a sex site? or somebody that freely expresses their sexual desires?"

Not my point at all. Respect cannot be demanded because of anyones sex! If a woman expects respect for just being female, then she has to earn that respect first. If they want it taught in schools, shouldn't it be to respect EVERYONE?

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Shouldn't parents just teach their children to respect everyone?

you could not send this _iew of women with out women who want too, so id say it would work a lot better to teach girls to respect them selves

Women can and are misogynistic too. The worst open misogyny I have seen comes from other women. However, the worst, life affecting subtle misogyny comes from male societal structures.

I'm sorry but your wrong there are fundamental differences in the brain make up of men and women .

You can not change these fundamental with toys or advertising we are fundamentally different in our brain make up .

Go on the BBC I player look for horizon the documentary series and look for sciences understanding of sex and sexuality through the ages documentary they made .

Its shows what science has learned about human sexuality so far ."

I'm not talking about sexuality. I'm talking about enjoying and respecting the difference without resorting to cave man bash woman on head drag back to cave behaviours in modern subtle forms.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

So you can't respect somebody on a sex site? or somebody that freely expresses their sexual desires?

You brought the pictures on the site into the debate. Again, it's not respect for women being women it's about not disrespecting a woman for being a woman. It's about what it is to learn how to respect yourself and others and how do you learn that?

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"On Woman's Hour.

The Pussy drink as, Robin Thicke video and how objectifying women feeds into how young men think about women.

Should boys be taught to respect women in school?"
No.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not my point at all. Respect cannot be demanded because of anyones sex! If a woman expects respect for just being female, then she has to earn that respect first. If they want it taught in schools, shouldn't it be to respect EVERYONE?"

I agree.

The 'respect' thing is a bit sweeping anyway and people use it as a statement to suit themselves. There's a difference between respecting (admiration) a woman for her achievements from respecting (recognition) that a woman can be as capable as a man and so on.

I don't think kids should be taught to respect everybody. Instead I'd say they should be supported to exercise good judgement and a part of that would be respecting that appearances can be deceptive. A woman flaunting her body isn't necessarily an invitation or indicative of her intelligence/capabilities etc. etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So you can't respect somebody on a sex site? or somebody that freely expresses their sexual desires?

You learn it through experience! I.E. Interacting with others and giving respect where its due! You cannot be taught how to respect others. It has to be earned does it not?

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

So you can't respect somebody on a sex site? or somebody that freely expresses their sexual desires?

Was ever thus...women simply because they are showing tits, pussy's on this site have somehow lost the right to be respected...funny how cocks, bums, cum shots, don't seem to attract the same opprobrium.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So you can't respect somebody on a sex site? or somebody that freely expresses their sexual desires?

Maybe because it wasn't a guy who posted this thread? Yeah, i also have a cock pic, but i don't expect to be respected just because it was taught thats the thing to do. I expect to have to earn respect!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Shouldn't parents just teach their children to respect everyone?

you could not send this _iew of women with out women who want too, so id say it would work a lot better to teach girls to respect them selves

Women can and are misogynistic too. The worst open misogyny I have seen comes from other women. However, the worst, life affecting subtle misogyny comes from male societal structures.

I'm sorry but your wrong there are fundamental differences in the brain make up of men and women .

You can not change these fundamental with toys or advertising we are fundamentally different in our brain make up .

Go on the BBC I player look for horizon the documentary series and look for sciences understanding of sex and sexuality through the ages documentary they made .

Its shows what science has learned about human sexuality so far .

I'm not talking about sexuality. I'm talking about enjoying and respecting the difference without resorting to cave man bash woman on head drag back to cave behaviours in modern subtle forms."

I know where your coming from but sexuality will be in the mix we are a species made up of two sexualities male and female .

The sex will always be there in some form it is the one thing that rules both sexes life's on a subconscious level .

There are some very fascinating books out there that really do kind of explain a hell of a lot about why human society has turn out the way it has sex and reproduction being the biggest guiding hand to societies development .

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

all women are shown amazing respect on these forums

unless you are a celebrity, then you can be ripped to shreds and belittled: it's a hoot

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By *RYBBWCouple
over a year ago

Leeds.

A great deal of men on here talk about respecting women. Yet I've had to hide our profile today because of abuse and negative comments from some of those very same men. Think on....

Jackie.

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By *ollie_JCouple
over a year ago

London

"A great deal of men on here talk about respecting women. Yet I've had to hide our profile today because of abuse and negative comments from some of those very same men. Think on....

Jackie."

You shouldn't need to hide, report the abuse or theposts and admin will deal with it

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By *exiSlutBabeWoman
over a year ago

Stoke

absolutely, just watch that programme about the Nanny rescue, there is no such thing as a bad child only bad parents.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Should boys be taught to respect women in school?

They should be taught to respect them out of school too

I've seen a lot of comments by women 'objectifying' Robin Thicke. "

This

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A great deal of men on here talk about respecting women. Yet I've had to hide our profile today because of abuse and negative comments from some of those very same men. Think on....

Jackie."

Thank you. Exactly my point! Ask for respect on a sex site and guys will respect the ground you walk on and worship the toilet roll you use to wipe your ass, until AFTER they meet and fuck you! Respect in the REAL world has to be earned.

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto

"A great deal of men on here talk about respecting women. Yet I've had to hide our profile today because of abuse and negative comments from some of those very same men. Think on....

Jackie.

That doesn't sound like respect. That sounds like simping. And it is manipulative behaviour in its simplest sense. Nothing respectful about it from either end.

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By *ezebelWoman
over a year ago

North of The Wall - youll need your vest

"A great deal of men on here talk about respecting women. Yet I've had to hide our profile today because of abuse and negative comments from some of those very same men. Think on....

Jackie."

Respect works both ways. Look at the way some women and couples talk to guys on here

And as others have said, please report any abuse to Admin and let them deal with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A great deal of men on here talk about respecting women. Yet I've had to hide our profile today because of abuse and negative comments from some of those very same men. Think on....

Jackie.

That doesn't sound like respect. That sounds like simping. And it is manipulative behaviour in its simplest sense. Nothing respectful about it from either end."

Erm, thats my point!

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

So you can't respect somebody on a sex site? or somebody that freely expresses their sexual desires?

Not sure what earning respect has to do with tit/pussy pics, unless you think that women who do, don't deserve respect. My point was, and I'm sure you will agree, is that women attract far more criticism for overt sexual predation than men do.

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto

"A great deal of men on here talk about respecting women. Yet I've had to hide our profile today because of abuse and negative comments from some of those very same men. Think on....

Jackie.

That doesn't sound like respect. That sounds like simping. And it is manipulative behaviour in its simplest sense. Nothing respectful about it from either end.

Erm, thats my point! "

But that is not what the OP was trying to discuss.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A great deal of men on here talk about respecting women. Yet I've had to hide our profile today because of abuse and negative comments from some of those very same men. Think on....

Jackie.

That doesn't sound like respect. That sounds like simping. And it is manipulative behaviour in its simplest sense. Nothing respectful about it from either end.

Erm, thats my point!

But that is not what the OP was trying to discuss."

And? I was replying to top post. Not the ops original question. Or is against forum rules to deviate from main thread now?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But that is not what the OP was trying to discuss.

And? I was replying to top post. Not the ops original question. Or is against forum rules to deviate from main thread now?"

Of course not - but deviation is not always helpful. The respect you're hinting at is something I've been wondering about, too, but merits its own thread (although that might already exist - didn't look it up).

Deviation can easily derail an entire discussion. There's a time and place for doffcocking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But that is not what the OP was trying to discuss.

And? I was replying to top post. Not the ops original question. Or is against forum rules to deviate from main thread now?

Deviation can easily derail an entire discussion. There's a time and place for doffcocking.

But, i wasn't the first person to bring up objectifying women, so i was in part going along with parts of the discussion. I also answered the ops query by saying, no, respecting women should NOT be taught at schools. Respect should be earned. If it IS taught, they should be taught to respect EVERYONE, not just women. (And if that respect is abused, then they walk away)

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"A great deal of men on here talk about respecting women. Yet I've had to hide our profile today because of abuse and negative comments from some of those very same men. Think on....

Jackie.

That doesn't sound like respect. That sounds like simping. And it is manipulative behaviour in its simplest sense. Nothing respectful about it from either end."

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

" If it IS taught, they should be taught to respect EVERYONE, not just women."

I don't think anyone is arguing with that, nto me anyway. The point was the it is women who are being more DISrespected at the moment, in this context......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" If it IS taught, they should be taught to respect EVERYONE, not just women.

I don't think anyone is arguing with that, nto me anyway. The point was the it is women who are being more DISrespected at the moment, in this context......"

In what way are women being more disrespected at the moment?

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

In what way are women being more disrespected at the moment?"

For example by the way they are demeaned in porn, or by having exectations placed on them at a very early age, eg the example I gave of schoolboys demanding 'pussy pics' before a date.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

" If it IS taught, they should be taught to respect EVERYONE, not just women.

I don't think anyone is arguing with that, nto me anyway. The point was the it is women who are being more DISrespected at the moment, in this context......

In what way are women being more disrespected at the moment?"

One of the examples given in the radio discussion is how do you explain Pussy billboards with their overt innuendo for an energy drink to young children? As they grow they become desensitised to this and start equating women as body parts.

Any conversation that comes with a whiff of equality at its core leads to a range of comments about how women bring it on themselves or are rampant man hating feminists. The disrespect is a like water dripping on a stone. It's irritating and wearing and leaves a dent in the stone.

Posts on this thread illustrated exactly what I was trying to discuss. The messages I have had from people exasperated at some of the _iews of women being presented on this thread and withdrawing from the debate illustrate it.

The objectification thread was started a few months ago. I hadn't intended this topic to discuss objectification on this site. I did what I could to pull the debate back. Threads go their own way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In what way are women being more disrespected at the moment?

For example by the way they are demeaned in porn, or by having exectations placed on them at a very early age, eg the example I gave of schoolboys demanding 'pussy pics' before a date."

Can I just say that things like that are the extreme and most likely a by product of access to porn on the internet before a child or young adult is mature enough to understand the difference between fantasy and reality .

Your right kids can learn right and wrong but that by no means means they will act in a civilized and respectful manner as adults .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" If it IS taught, they should be taught to respect EVERYONE, not just women.

I don't think anyone is arguing with that, nto me anyway. The point was the it is women who are being more DISrespected at the moment, in this context......

In what way are women being more disrespected at the moment?

The objectification thread was started a few months ago. I hadn't intended this topic to discuss objectification on this site. I did what I could to pull the debate back. Threads go their own way."

I do see where your coming from. But my _iew is that children should see respect being given as well as giving it. That won't happen in a classroom. Children usually emulate their parents behaviour, so, its the parents responsibility to teach them. Not some teacher who has trouble getting them to sit still long enough to learn english and maths!

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

Oh I fully agree, and I think something needs to be done to reddress it.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

In what way are women being more disrespected at the moment?

The objectification thread was started a few months ago. I hadn't intended this topic to discuss objectification on this site. I did what I could to pull the debate back. Threads go their own way.

Which leads back to the point of what do you do when there is no-one capable of teaching that in the family unit? Model that respect has to come from everyone they encounter and be reinforced. Schools can reinforce, it doesn't have to be a specific subject taught but embedded into other lessons.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" If it IS taught, they should be taught to respect EVERYONE, not just women.

I don't think anyone is arguing with that, nto me anyway. The point was the it is women who are being more DISrespected at the moment, in this context......

In what way are women being more disrespected at the moment?

The objectification thread was started a few months ago. I hadn't intended this topic to discuss objectification on this site. I did what I could to pull the debate back. Threads go their own way.

Yes parents plat apart but let's not forget peer pressure here kids take far more notice of there friends than parents .

Many a time many many many moons ago did my poor old mother have to correct me about things I had wrong after listening to my friends .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In what way are women being more disrespected at the moment?

The objectification thread was started a few months ago. I hadn't intended this topic to discuss objectification on this site. I did what I could to pull the debate back. Threads go their own way.

Its not just schools parents its aunts uncles grandparents they all play there part in raising a nice balance child what ever that maybe .

I child is a magnet in the sense that they pick up every think the see and hear .

So can mimic the behavior they see at a young age but that by no stretch of the imagination means said child we be a bad adult .

There comes a point where everyone has to take responsibility for the actions today and in my opinion looking for excuses to do with your up bring in the past is a cop out .

Every adult knows when there being disrepectfull and again in my opinion are doing it just for that very reason to disrepectfull someone there are upset with or don't like .

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

It should be up to the parents and why should it be just boys that need to learn respect for women and not both sets learning respect for each other. A thread on here the other week, was basically saying it was wrong to open doors etc for women simply because they wher women. Can't have it all ways

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"It should be up to the parents and why should it be just boys that need to learn respect for women and not both sets learning respect for each other. A thread on here the other week, was basically saying it was wrong to open doors etc for women simply because they wher women. Can't have it all ways"

It's not about opening doors for women or having it both ways at all.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

It's not about opening doors for women or having it both ways at all.

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wish I could remember the name of the thread the other week, guys can't do right for wrong. Learn to respect each other and not single out one sex

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

Unfortunately men and women have different issues. As nice as it would be to just say 'respect everyone' and leave it at that, it's not possible.

A lot of men don't understand that their behaviour is problematic and just telling them to be respectful isn't going to work.

Robin Thicke made an incredibly sexist video and when challenged on it just made out that it was all a joke. He doesn't get it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How about getting women to respect women? Lost count of the times I've heard women slating other women for a variety of reasons. In fact I've heard women use the horrible word "slag" more times than I've heard men use it."

Agreed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Robin Thicke made an incredibly sexist video and when challenged on it just made out that it was all a joke. He doesn't get it."

Guess I'm going to have to watch it again now to check the validity of your argument...

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Robin Thicke made an incredibly sexist video and when challenged on it just made out that it was all a joke. He doesn't get it.

Guess I'm going to have to watch it again now to check the validity of your argument..."

There is a feminist remake version with slightly different lyrics.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Robin Thicke made an incredibly sexist video and when challenged on it just made out that it was all a joke. He doesn't get it.

Guess I'm going to have to watch it again now to check the validity of your argument...

There is a feminist remake version with slightly different lyrics."

Thats a bit disrespectful to guys is it not?

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Robin Thicke made an incredibly sexist video and when challenged on it just made out that it was all a joke. He doesn't get it.

Guess I'm going to have to watch it again now to check the validity of your argument...

There is a feminist remake version with slightly different lyrics.

Thats a bit disrespectful to guys is it not?

I don't know - I haven't seen it. I just know it exists.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Women are the worst with respect to women what some of them say about others in here is amazing never mind out there in the real world. Some people though forget repeat is earned and should not be expected and going in to a huff if you don't get it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Robin Thicke made an incredibly sexist video and when challenged on it just made out that it was all a joke. He doesn't get it.

Guess I'm going to have to watch it again now to check the validity of your argument...

There is a feminist remake version with slightly different lyrics."

I couldn't watch either of them long enough to listen to all the lyrics. For ahem different reasons..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Robin Thicke made an incredibly sexist video and when challenged on it just made out that it was all a joke. He doesn't get it.

Guess I'm going to have to watch it again now to check the validity of your argument...

There is a feminist remake version with slightly different lyrics.

Thats a bit disrespectful to guys is it not?

I don't know - I haven't seen it. I just know it exists."

But if you do know it exists and you know its a feminist version saying you don't know is clearly not wanting to admit it is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is respect and there is good manners they not always the same thing.

There is a basic level of respect we should all have just for been a person. More than has to be earned.

We do need to teach manner and respect in schools, so we all have the same understanding for what it is.

I used have a female friend that is very much against porn, this is her right to have this and I do not have a problem with it. She dumb an X of her for going to a strip club. She has the right to do this.

A few years later she a group of female friend went to girls night part where they had full show male strippers. I have no problem with this. After she been she could not stop talking about it. I did point out her that she dumb someone for doing the same thing, sound like you got double standards. She me called a sexist male pig and it not the same thing at all. That was the end of our friendship.

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

surely despite the media manipulation of sex to sell and titillate if you treat everyone as you would expect to be treated yourself then respect for others must follow regardless of what sex they are

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"surely despite the media manipulation of sex to sell and titillate if you treat everyone as you would expect to be treated yourself then respect for others must follow regardless of what sex they are "

It does and it follows its some people think they should receive respect but dislike to give it themselves.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I suggest you all listen to the debate on Woman's Hour.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

What about the diet advert and the latest one with the fireman. Thats objectivity men

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto

"What about the diet advert and the latest one with the fireman. Thats objectivity men"

That is a drop in the ocean in comparison to the vast amount of media that objectifies women.

In an ideal world, no one would be objectified. But this isn't Utopia. So the balance has to be addressed before the problems can be eradicated.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"What about the diet advert and the latest one with the fireman. Thats objectivity men"

They haven't renamed it Diet Cock though have they? Have a look at the Pussy Water adverts.

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