FabSwingers.com forum: Inside the Pentagon’s Trillion Dollar F-35 Embarrassment

By *ubble trouble OP Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

There is an in-depth article on Vanity Fair magazine's website about the US aircraft that is years overdue and hundreds of billions of dollars over budget.

This is the aircraft we are supposed to be ordering for our aircraft carriers so it affects the UK as well.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

hopefully by the time we order it they would have worked out how to build it quicker and cheaper.....making the first is always hard

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Defence procurement has been a scandal for years. There was a huge article in Private Eye about it a bit ago. Projects running for years when they should have been completed within 18 months, cost overruns that would have paid the national debt of someplace tropical and daft things like the army ordering an helicopter or something and the navy or the boyscouts already having one that they could use.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

The coalition changing their minds about the planes for the new aircraft carriers being nailed together at Rosyth or built in Govan is the main reason for the delay and price hike.

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"The coalition changing their minds about the planes for the new aircraft carriers being nailed together at Rosyth or built in Govan is the main reason for the delay and price hike."

With the greatest of respect that statement is utter bollocks.

The f35 problems have nothing to do with the uk carriers.

They do have a lot to do with some very advanced engineering, complex manufacturing and new technologies.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"The coalition changing their minds about the planes for the new aircraft carriers being nailed together at Rosyth or built in Govan is the main reason for the delay and price hike.

With the greatest of respect that statement is utter bollocks.

The f35 problems have nothing to do with the uk carriers.

They do have a lot to do with some very advanced engineering, complex manufacturing and new technologies. "

That's not what I said. The problem isn't with the planes, it's with the coalition's inability to decide on which planes/ which arrest system/ VTOL to plump for.

Why we, the UK, couldn't have agreed on an advanced Sea Harrier is another matter.

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"The coalition changing their minds about the planes for the new aircraft carriers being nailed together at Rosyth or built in Govan is the main reason for the delay and price hike.

With the greatest of respect that statement is utter bollocks.

The f35 problems have nothing to do with the uk carriers.

They do have a lot to do with some very advanced engineering, complex manufacturing and new technologies.

That's not what I said. The problem isn't with the planes, it's with the coalition's inability to decide on which planes/ which arrest system/ VTOL to plump for.

Why we, the UK, couldn't have agreed on an advanced Sea Harrier is another matter."

Because we a) don't have the time ( circa 15 years) to develop it b) the money to develop itor c) the sskills to develop it.

Other than that it's a great idea.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Why we, the UK, couldn't have agreed on an advanced Sea Harrier is another matter.

Because we a) don't have the time ( circa 15 years) to develop it b) the money to develop itor c) the sskills to develop it.

Other than that it's a great idea."

If we'd started when we should have started ie when we decided to build the aircraft carriers, we could have replaced the lost skills and put the money into the Defence Budget.

Sitting about doing easy stuff doesn't advance the nation at all.

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling

"The coalition changing their minds about the planes for the new aircraft carriers being nailed together at Rosyth or built in Govan is the main reason for the delay and price hike.

With the greatest of respect that statement is utter bollocks.

The f35 problems have nothing to do with the uk carriers.

They do have a lot to do with some very advanced engineering, complex manufacturing and new technologies.

That's not what I said. The problem isn't with the planes, it's with the coalition's inability to decide on which planes/ which arrest system/ VTOL to plump for.

Why we, the UK, couldn't have agreed on an advanced Sea Harrier is another matter.

Because we a) don't have the time ( circa 15 years) to develop it b) the money to develop itor c) the sskills to develop it.

Other than that it's a great idea."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They do have a lot to do with some very advanced engineering, complex manufacturing and new technologies. "

They have taken a massive leap in technology with the latest generation of designs. Same with civil aircraft. Take a look at the latest Boeing. Clever? Yes. Would I fly on one yet? Hmmmm

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

Why we, the UK, couldn't have agreed on an advanced Sea Harrier is another matter.

Because we a) don't have the time ( circa 15 years) to develop it b) the money to develop itor c) the sskills to develop it.

Other than that it's a great idea."

Not knowing a lot about aircraft design but we designed and built the Harrier so surely if we had carried on developing it we would have a suitable aircraft that we could have sold round the world.

As for the skills I am sure that is something we still have. The UK is world leading when it comes to design and development and have the skilled people to do it. We have a big problem when it comes to investment and costs compared to other countries though...

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

Why we, the UK, couldn't have agreed on an advanced Sea Harrier is another matter.

Because we a) don't have the time ( circa 15 years) to develop it b) the money to develop itor c) the sskills to develop it.

Other than that it's a great idea.

Not knowing a lot about aircraft design but we designed and built the Harrier so surely if we had carried on developing it we would have a suitable aircraft that we could have sold round the world.

We have very little experience of stealth technology and our record of system integration for aircraft is crap.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Why we, the UK, couldn't have agreed on an advanced Sea Harrier is another matter.

Because we a) don't have the time ( circa 15 years) to develop it b) the money to develop itor c) the sskills to develop it.

Other than that it's a great idea.

Not knowing a lot about aircraft design but we designed and built the Harrier so surely if we had carried on developing it we would have a suitable aircraft that we could have sold round the world.

We have very little experience of stealth technology and our record of system integration for aircraft is crap."

Which is why we tend to look towards joint ventures with our allies who have different skill sets.

The Harrier was a world beater on her day and the fact some Yanks still use it suggests retirement was premature.

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