FabSwingers.com forum: D*unk tank?

By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Proposal today for d*unk tanks where inebriate punters would be detained overnight (at a cost of £400+ a fixed penalty).

Sounds like more dosh for G4S or Serco.

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

Can't see how they can give a private individual the power to detain someone.

Mind you, it would free up police officers to do really important stuff like changing the film in speed cameras.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think we all have the right to make a citizens arrest,

but the OP didn't mention the public detaining anyone.

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Can't see how they can give a private individual the power to detain someone.

Mind you, it would free up police officers to do really important stuff like changing the film in speed cameras."

G4S etc already have the authority to move innocent people from police offices to prison and to and from courts.

It's a bit reminiscent of press gangs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Haven't read it anywhere else. Getting d*unken people off the streets to allow the police and ambulance service to do their job.... And making the d*unk people pay and be responsible for themselves?

Brilliant idea!

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By *andy_tomMan
over a year ago

wolverhampton

Well the police would have more free time. FOR TEA BRAKES.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple
over a year ago

Hinckley

"Well the police would have more free time. FOR TEA BRAKES.

Tea brakes won't stop anything...

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Can't see how they can give a private individual the power to detain someone.

Mind you, it would free up police officers to do really important stuff like changing the film in speed cameras.

G4S etc already have the authority to move innocent people from police offices to prison and to and from courts.

It's a bit reminiscent of press gangs."

Didn't press gangs forcably sign people up to the army??

Yeah totally reminiscent.

It's no secret that the stupid people who can'thandle their drink take up police time and sspace in custody so I think this is a good idea.

So many times on here people bleat on about how police should focus on proper crimes yet when someone proposes something that try to stop them being tied up with stupid little overheads who think they're hard after a few shell's they get criticized more.

Is there ever a way they can win??

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

"I think we all have the right to make a citizens arrest,

but the OP didn't mention the public detaining anyone."

The story in the press mentions it though. Yes we can all make a citizens arrest (for an arrestable offence) but we can't then hold someone to ransom which is what this amounts to.

Sorry but having untrained monkeys deciding whether someone is d*unk or having a stroke/hypo attack or whatever is a bad idea in my opinion.

I doubt if it's rank and file police officers advocating this. It just seems one more step towards privatising the police force to me.

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling

"Can't see how they can give a private individual the power to detain someone.

Mind you, it would free up police officers to do really important stuff like changing the film in speed cameras.

G4S etc already have the authority to move innocent people from police offices to prison and to and from courts.

It's a bit reminiscent of press gangs.

Didn't press gangs forcably sign people up to the army??

Yeah totally reminiscent.

It's no secret that the stupid people who can'thandle their drink take up police time and sspace in custody so I think this is a good idea.

Is there ever a way they can win?? "

How much does it cost to Police d*unken idiots every week? If it is going to make them responsible financially it may alter some of this antisocial behaviour.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling

"I think we all have the right to make a citizens arrest,

but the OP didn't mention the public detaining anyone.

The story in the press mentions it though. Yes we can all make a citizens arrest (for an arrestable offence) but we can't then hold someone to ransom which is what this amounts to.

Sorry but having untrained monkeys deciding whether someone is d*unk or having a stroke/hypo attack or whatever is a bad idea in my opinion.

I doubt if it's rank and file police officers advocating this. It just seems one more step towards privatising the police force to me."

Held to ransom? FFS, it will be the Police who decide who is detained not the private company. People die in police custody already yhis might actually improve prisoner safety.

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By *ollie_JCouple
over a year ago

London

"Proposal today for d*unk tanks where inebriate punters would be detained overnight (at a cost of £400+ a fixed penalty).

Sounds like more dosh for G4S or Serco."

And in the correct context

Rather than d*unks spend the night in police cells they will be kept and monitored in a specific private facility, with staff trained to keep an eye on them.

They pay upon leaving.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"Can't see how they can give a private individual the power to detain someone.

Mind you, it would free up police officers to do really important stuff like changing the film in speed cameras.

G4S etc already have the authority to move innocent people from police offices to prison and to and from courts.

It's a bit reminiscent of press gangs.

Didn't press gangs forcably sign people up to the army??

Yeah totally reminiscent.

It's no secret that the stupid people who can'thandle their drink take up police time and sspace in custody so I think this is a good idea.

Is there ever a way they can win?? "

Not really. There are some who would demand action then criticise any action taken. Personally I think this is quite a good idea.

Oh, press gangs worked for the Navy BTW.

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Proposal today for d*unk tanks where inebriate punters would be detained overnight (at a cost of £400+ a fixed penalty).

Sounds like more dosh for G4S or Serco.

And in the correct context

Rather than d*unks spend the night in police cells they will be kept and monitored in a specific private facility, with staff trained to keep an eye on them.

They pay upon leaving."

...... and if they can't pay? Kept in custody at £400 a night?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think we all have the right to make a citizens arrest,

but the OP didn't mention the public detaining anyone.

The story in the press mentions it though. Yes we can all make a citizens arrest (for an arrestable offence) but we can't then hold someone to ransom which is what this amounts to.

Sorry but having untrained monkeys deciding whether someone is d*unk or having a stroke/hypo attack or whatever is a bad idea in my opinion.

I doubt if it's rank and file police officers advocating this. It just seems one more step towards privatising the police force to me.

Held to ransom? FFS, it will be the Police who decide who is detained not the private company. People die in police custody already yhis might actually improve prisoner safety. "

Pathetic

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Can't see how they can give a private individual the power to detain someone.

Mind you, it would free up police officers to do really important stuff like changing the film in speed cameras.

G4S etc already have the authority to move innocent people from police offices to prison and to and from courts.

It's a bit reminiscent of press gangs.

Didn't press gangs forcably sign people up to the army??

Yeah totally reminiscent.

It's no secret that the stupid people who can'thandle their drink take up police time and sspace in custody so I think this is a good idea.

Is there ever a way they can win??

Not really. There are some who would demand action then criticise any action taken. Personally I think this is quite a good idea.

Oh, press gangs worked for the Navy BTW."

We'll I've learnt one thing so far today

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I wouldnt want to be the cleaner... they will have my utmost respect for doing that job

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Can't see how they can give a private individual the power to detain someone.

Mind you, it would free up police officers to do really important stuff like changing the film in speed cameras.

G4S etc already have the authority to move innocent people from police offices to prison and to and from courts.

It's a bit reminiscent of press gangs.

Didn't press gangs forcably sign people up to the army??

Yeah totally reminiscent.

It's no secret that the stupid people who can'thandle their drink take up police time and sspace in custody so I think this is a good idea.

Is there ever a way they can win??

How much does it cost to Police d*unken idiots every week? If it is going to make them responsible financially it may alter some of this antisocial behaviour. "

That's an idea which might work with others who have self inflicted injuries.

People who fall off mountains, break their leg doing skiing or extreme sports or who take to sea with no training or navigation skills, for example.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

It seems a lot of money, frankly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it is a terrible idea. The numbers that are giving regarding the amount of people d*unken and disorderly are well and truly wrong. People are arrested and done for d&d kept in over night and released with a fine the next day for numerous reasons other than being d&d. I presume it's easier for the police to do this than actually lookin to the supposed crime that has been commited.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well the police would have more free time. FOR TEA BRAKES.

Tea brakes won't stop anything..."

Haha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Havent seen the detail of this story but fuck it, am going to comment anyway.

The £400 figure for being D+D sounds like a Dailymail wet dream and therefore utter bollocks. Police only issue fixed penalties of £80 for that.

Having done the job in the past I'd say that a separate, privately run facility where you can quickly send someone who is paralytic and causing trouble is a good idea. As long as they are correctly detained by a police officer and then a correct custody chain and procedures are maintained of course. Most police work on a Friday/Saturday night is sealing with alcohol related incidents, if not in town centers then on the outskirts when they get home and start hitting each other.

However, this isn't likely to ever happen as it'll never pay enough to a private firm.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldnt want to be the cleaner... they will have my utmost respect for doing that job

Make the d*unk clean their own mess up in the morning. Nice hangover cure.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"I wouldnt want to be the cleaner... they will have my utmost respect for doing that job

Make the d*unk clean their own mess up in the morning. Nice hangover cure. "

good thinking

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

The £400 is a figure floated by the Chief Constable of (I think) Nottinghamshire.

I take the point about it not being

profitable as a stand alone business but firms like G4S have assets to pay for 24/7 and jobs like court runs aren't usually outwith 9-5 ish.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

All those against this idea please can we have your ideas on how to approach this matter? Forget educating people re booze cos that's been tried and failed. So what's your solution?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s just yet another ill-conceived but well-intentioned proposal whose inception will never see the light of day….

But at least its got people talking and helping raise awareness about a problem that requires more than just one answer ……

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

There's an NHS d*unk tank in a church hall somewhere on Wales. One Saturday they treated (from memory) 40 patients, 30 of whom would normally have gone to A&E with all the associated costs and blockages for 'real' emergencies.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

So nobody has any ideas better than this one? Well done all you ctitics.

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

"All those against this idea please can we have your ideas on how to approach this matter? Forget educating people re booze cos that's been tried and failed. So what's your solution?"

How about the Police do the job they are paid for, i.e. deal with people that have broke the law.

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"All those against this idea please can we have your ideas on how to approach this matter? Forget educating people re booze cos that's been tried and failed. So what's your solution?

How about the Police do the job they are paid for, i.e. deal with people that have broke the law."

Being d*unk and disorderly in public IS against the law.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

"All those against this idea please can we have your ideas on how to approach this matter? Forget educating people re booze cos that's been tried and failed. So what's your solution?

How about the Police do the job they are paid for, i.e. deal with people that have broke the law."
Well thanks for that reply. Very useful your solution.Ffs.

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"All those against this idea please can we have your ideas on how to approach this matter? Forget educating people re booze cos that's been tried and failed. So what's your solution?

How about the Police do the job they are paid for, i.e. deal with people that have broke the law.Well thanks for that reply. Very useful your solution.Ffs.

I've suggested NHS run d*unk tanks.

What's bobbbyggggggs solution?

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"All those against this idea please can we have your ideas on how to approach this matter? Forget educating people re booze cos that's been tried and failed. So what's your solution?

How about the Police do the job they are paid for, i.e. deal with people that have broke the law.Well thanks for that reply. Very useful your solution.Ffs.

I've suggested NHS run d*unk tanks.

What's bobbbyggggggs solution?"

The NHS running the d*unk tanks is fine, but d*unk tanks ON the NHS is very wrong.

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By *rumCoupleCouple
over a year ago

birmingham

Funny isn't it ... we have alcohol legal, and tobacco legal, and yet are willing to put up with tens of thousands of deaths every year, not to mention all the associated social problems.

2 people die from not taking a legal high, and then ban it.

Hmmmmmm

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All those against this idea please can we have your ideas on how to approach this matter? Forget educating people re booze cos that's been tried and failed. So what's your solution?

How about the Police do the job they are paid for, i.e. deal with people that have broke the law.Well thanks for that reply. Very useful your solution.Ffs.

I've suggested NHS run d*unk tanks.

What's bobbbyggggggs solution?

The NHS running the d*unk tanks is fine, but d*unk tanks ON the NHS is very wrong."
why is it very wrong to have d*unk tanks on the nhs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All those against this idea please can we have your ideas on how to approach this matter? Forget educating people re booze cos that's been tried and failed. So what's your solution?"

Yes have a d*unk tank facility within custody units assisted by custody officers as part of the police service not a privately run organisation who no doubt are focused on making money ? The police still have to convey the said individual to a d*unk tank so they are still committed and not drinking tea as is the perception.

Also why aren't pubs ruthlessly prosecuted for serving alcohol to people who are quite obviously plastered ?

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

" .......

Also why aren't pubs ruthlessly prosecuted for serving alcohol to people who are quite obviously plastered ?"

Councils are reluctant to come down on pubs cos they contribute large chunks of rate income.

Cops, sad to say, rely on busy Friday and Saturday nights for much needed overtime income.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All those against this idea please can we have your ideas on how to approach this matter? Forget educating people re booze cos that's been tried and failed. So what's your solution?

Also why aren't pubs ruthlessly prosecuted for serving alcohol to people who are quite obviously plastered ?"

Totally agree I don't see how this would help in anyway at all apart from losing loads of public money

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"All those against this idea please can we have your ideas on how to approach this matter? Forget educating people re booze cos that's been tried and failed. So what's your solution?

How about the Police do the job they are paid for, i.e. deal with people that have broke the law.Well thanks for that reply. Very useful your solution.Ffs.

I've suggested NHS run d*unk tanks.

What's bobbbyggggggs solution?

The NHS running the d*unk tanks is fine, but d*unk tanks ON the NHS is very wrong. why is it very wrong to have d*unk tanks on the nhs"

Because somebody (the taxpayer in this case) has to pay for it. The NHS has enough funding problems without having to fork out for d*unk tanks holding people who deliberately abuse themselves by drinking too much.

Before anyone comes back with what about smokers, mountain climbers, footballers Etc. there is a big difference.

Long term care for alcohol or tobacco related illness should always be on the NHS. as should accidental sporting injury, no matter how dangerous the sport. But d*unk tanks for people who deliberately set out to get as pissed as possible as quickly as possible should be paid for by them. They can afford the booze, so they can afford the nights care.

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Before anyone comes back with what about smokers, mountain climbers, footballers Etc. there is a big difference.

Long term care for alcohol or tobacco related illness should always be on the NHS. as should accidental sporting injury, no matter how dangerous the sport. ........"

Why are such activities different? Just saying the are doesn't make them so.

They're all self inflicted injuries.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" .......

Also why aren't pubs ruthlessly prosecuted for serving alcohol to people who are quite obviously plastered ?

Councils are reluctant to come down on pubs cos they contribute large chunks of rate income.

Cops, sad to say, rely on busy Friday and Saturday nights for much needed overtime income."

There isn't overtime Onny.

Fact is, I believe the government is focusing more and more on diluting all public services and handing it to the private sector.

Some may think its a good thing. I don't, you simply have to look at the Olympics g4s debacle to see that.

Yes fine those that are causing havoc to recuperate tax payers money but don't give up on the education aspect.

Years ago drink drive was almost socially accepted, now its not. Maybe in time laying in a pool of vomit, causing damage and being unruly will be unacceptable ?

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

" .......

Also why aren't pubs ruthlessly prosecuted for serving alcohol to people who are quite obviously plastered ?

Councils are reluctant to come down on pubs cos they contribute large chunks of rate income.

Cops, sad to say, rely on busy Friday and Saturday nights for much needed overtime income.

There isn't overtime Onny.

Fact is, I believe the government is focusing more and more on diluting all public services and handing it to the private sector.

......,,..?"

There's overtime in Scotland. Part of the bribe, along with increased numbers, to get Scottish cops to go for a single, supposedly unified Police Service for the whole of Scotland.

Needless to say, post unification, police numbers are falling. Police offices are also closing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Haven't read it anywhere else. Getting d*unken people off the streets to allow the police and ambulance service to do their job.... And making the d*unk people pay and be responsible for themselves?

Brilliant idea! "

If thats how it works then I think brilliant idea too,d*unken,lairy,aggressive,arsewipes are so bloody obstructive to deal with and waste massive amounts of human resourses that could be better used in so many other ways,stick them in a cage until they sober up

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By *unglerivermonkeyMan
over a year ago

Scarborough

hmmm something that greatly concerns me about this idea is what if somebody who is say.. epileptic or type 1 diabetic and they are on a night out but collapse due to the nature of their condition and not because they are steaming d*unk.

Would they just be scooped up by some untrained/uncaring security person and thrown into one of these tanks?

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By *rumCoupleCouple
over a year ago

birmingham

"hmmm something that greatly concerns me about this idea is what if somebody who is say.. epileptic or type 1 diabetic and they are on a night out but collapse due to the nature of their condition and not because they are steaming d*unk.

Would they just be scooped up by some untrained/uncaring security person and thrown into one of these tanks? "

Police have already tazered blind and epileptic people, so I think we can answer that question.

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By *quirrelMan
over a year ago

East Manchester

Got an uneasy feeling about this proposal, the police in my area have already admitted that 60% of crimes only get a crime number allocated to them and nothing else is done. In addition the local councils are operating all the speed cameras so police arent getting involved in that either, and more cameras with ANPR are being installed to catch other motorists so the epolice are ignoring that too.

What are the police actually being paid for? this d*unk tank I presume would be run at a profit for Serco or G4 who would be paid from the revenue they earn?. Is this privatisation of justice, or the beginnings of a new corporate controlled Britain whereby multinational companies actually tell our elected officials what to do.

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By *nny OP Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"............... and waste massive amounts of human resourses that could be better used in so many other ways,stick them in a cage until they sober up

Maybe we could arrange immunity from prosecution if one of them should 'happen' take kill one of the others whilst incarcerated.

Jist a thocht.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"............... and waste massive amounts of human resourses that could be better used in so many other ways,stick them in a cage until they sober up

Maybe we could arrange immunity from prosecution if one of them should 'happen' take kill one of the others whilst incarcerated

Jist a thocht."

I have little compassion really .....oh I do have some,use individual cages

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By * Jay69Man
over a year ago

Bridgwater - Somerset

There is two separate issues.

One is irresponsible drinking should have consequences that might change people's behaviour. Who disagrees with this?

Two, is who should do it, should it be privatised.

If it is possible to run a d*unk tank at a profit, why should it not be run by the NHS, The Police or the local authority? Let them make the money.

Private facilities are a slippery slope and make fat cats fatter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

good idea in theory, but i dont like the idea of the private sector taking control.

maybe, the premesis should be provided, thenit should be manned by non profit, drink related organisations, that can halp educate people of the dangers of drinking to excess, rather than just taking their money.

if its gonna cost £400 (and im not averse to the charge of that size) then at least give them an education and hope they take it on board.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"............... and waste massive amounts of human resourses that could be better used in so many other ways,stick them in a cage until they sober up

Maybe we could arrange immunity from prosecution if one of them should 'happen' take kill one of the others whilst incarcerated

Jist a thocht.

I have little compassion really .....oh I do have some,use individual cages "

I must be totally heartless then. I imagine a big pit... and only when they are completely sober will they be able to clamber up the wobbly ladder to escape.

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