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By *eavenNhell OP Couple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

Sell of the royal mail ?

No doubt TNT & DHL are rubbing there hands at the chance to asset strip ?

Thoughts ?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

This is the Tories doing what Tories do.

Why do you think the cost of stamps went up so much recently?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Same problems in the US. Govt is trying to sell off and privatise the post office here too.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

I don't like the look of this. As it stands, the prosperous areas, with ease of delivery, such as cities, subsidise the countryside, where it make take 10 minutes of driving to reach an isolated cottage. I can see the easy areas being cherry picked.

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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago

south east

This is something the tories have been wanting to do since they were last in power...they just run out of time ...so it should come as no surprise to anyone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wont take them long to have it a one day a week delivery system,unless you pay extra.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I don't like the look of this. As it stands, the prosperous areas, with ease of delivery, such as cities, subsidise the countryside, where it make take 10 minutes of driving to reach an isolated cottage. I can see the easy areas being cherry picked. "

Your '10 minutes' is probably on the low side but your point is well made.

Look at the home delivery companies which surcharge the Western and Northern Isles or even decline to deliver at all.

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling

This means that they will have money put aside to produce tax cuts just before the next election. As said above, tories doing what tories do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

all this tory bashing, im almost certain this was mentioned and put in process during the last labour government too, but as has been said, they ran out of time/were too busy giving our gold away, i mean selling the reserves

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"all this tory bashing, im almost certain this was mentioned ........... during the last labour government too, ..............."

I mention it all the time; as in 'selling off Royal Mail is a stupid idea'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"all this tory bashing, im almost certain this was mentioned ........... during the last labour government too, ...............

I mention it all the time; as in 'selling off Royal Mail is a stupid idea'.

have to agree its a stupid idea, but it was still mentioned by Bliar and Broon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Since the internet and email,

hand delivery was on the way out, we just don't need it anymore,

its progress.

Parcel delivery is the new mail service, as shopping on line takes over from the high street,

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By *rivate auditionsMan
over a year ago

West Midlands

"all this tory bashing, im almost certain this was mentioned and put in process during the last labour government too, but as has been said, they ran out of time/were too busy giving our gold away, i mean selling the reserves"

aye,but you have to forgive the labour voters on here as they have a very specific memory loss when it comes to bliar and clown.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Since the internet and email,

hand delivery was on the way out, we just don't need it anymore,

its progress.

Parcel delivery is the new mail service, as shopping on line takes over from the high street,

and its this parcel delivery that subsidises the snail mail.

there are still people that rely on it, so to just happily write it all off as 'yesterdays news' is rather fickle and self serving.

my parents have NO interest in emails and so on and everything comes through the letterbox.

they would be in a right mess if the mail service was stopped.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Will it still be Scilly to Shetland for a standard 1st class stamp?

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By *eavenNhell OP Couple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

And now I find I'm "allowed" to purchase upto 750 shares in something I already own ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally I dont give two hoots who runs it, as long as the prices dont go up

I see them at the moment as incompetent, as my daughter has just been fined by the dvlc for not sending her v5 off when she sold her car. Lost in post and also the subsequent letter that was posted when they contacted her when new owner requested the v5

I know they were posted as I posted them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Personally I dont give two hoots who runs it, as long as the prices dont go up

I know they were posted as I posted them"

Same here as long as its run well I don't care. As for all the comments about changes in deliveries it's an act of parliament that it cannot change.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Same here as long as its run well I don't care. As for all the comments about changes in deliveries it's an act of parliament that it cannot change."

That's not the case. Anything can be changed by a subsequent Act of Parliament.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If UPS or TNT run it, its got to be better. They can get me a parcel from New York to my house in 24 hours, quicker than a post card from Scarborough to my next door neighbour

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If its well run I will be well happy. Time was we had two deliveries a day, now my first class post gets to me at four pm along with a load of junk mail.

One thing I do hope whoever takes over will get rid of will be the junk.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"If UPS or TNT run it, its got to be better. They can get me a parcel from New York to my house in 24 hours, quicker than a post card from Scarborough to my next door neighbour"

How much did both services cost

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is the Tories doing what Tories do.

Why do you think the cost of stamps went up so much recently?

I agree but thing is after this there is fuck all left to sell off so jobs buggered.

Track record on privatising stuff is terrible. Railways extortionate price overcrowding and generally fragmented. Energy gas and lekky prices as we all know are out of control. For me only telecommunications as worked to bring prices down.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

get ready for the first class £1.00 stamp

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If UPS or TNT run it, its got to be better. They can get me a parcel from New York to my house in 24 hours, quicker than a post card from Scarborough to my next door neighbour

How much did both services cost "

Less than £15 for both parcels

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"If UPS or TNT run it, its got to be better. They can get me a parcel from New York to my house in 24 hours, quicker than a post card from Scarborough to my next door neighbour

How much did both services cost

Less than £15 for both parcels"

And the stamp for the postcard cost ..........?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

labour tried to do it in 2009 but was blocked by the unions.

Don't mind much really only send about one letter a year now a days. Post is shit now once a day in middle if afternoon! Only get bills anyway!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If UPS or TNT run it, its got to be better. They can get me a parcel from New York to my house in 24 hours, quicker than a post card from Scarborough to my next door neighbour

How much did both services cost

Less than £15 for both parcels

And the stamp for the postcard cost ..........?

About £1.50. If you work it out on distance the post card went. The parcels should have cost hundreds

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"labour tried to do it in 2009 but was blocked by the unions.

Don't mind much really only send about one letter a year now a days. Post is shit now once a day in middle if afternoon! Only get bills anyway!"

that wasnt labour.

if you read some of the posts, it must have been the tories doing it by the back door lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

can i jsut say, for all its faults, at least those working in a post office sorting area are on a half decent wage.

TNT et al employ people on minimum wage, less if they can get away with it, and work them like dogs. 12 hour shifts, plus overtime.

i know, i have seen it, having worked for TNT, Yodel and Interlink.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"If UPS or TNT run it, its got to be better. They can get me a parcel from New York to my house in 24 hours, quicker than a post card from Scarborough to my next door neighbour

How much did both services cost

Less than £15 for both parcels

And the stamp for the postcard cost ..........?

About £1.50. If you work it out on distance the post card went. The parcels should have cost hundreds"

That's to (deliberately) misunderstand the universal service obligation.

Within the UK, the distance the postcard travels doesn't affect the price. Scilly to Shetland is the same price as from one house to the house next door.

That won't survive under privatisation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sell of the royal mail ?

No doubt TNT & DHL are rubbing there hands at the chance to asset strip ?

Thoughts ?

British Rail

British Gas

British Coal

Electricity Boards

and plenty more national assets from 20 years ago that have ended up in either foreign hands or hedge funds

will we ever learn

never.

before im slated i work for one of the foreign companies (German) that now own one of the countries assets and it is something that is unheard of in Germany.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Or we could leave such businesses under government run by poor management and held to ransom by militant unions

Anyone recall the 70's?!!!!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"..........

Anyone recall the 70's?!!!!"

I remember the 70s well.

How old were you by 1980? About 13?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Or we could leave such businesses under government run by poor management and held to ransom by militant unions

Anyone recall the 70's?!!!!"

how about the novel idea of a compromise were we take the best techniques and adapt them to our industries thus they improve and assets stay within our control (prices etc)

read W.EDWARDS DEMING on continuous improvement.

this is all the Germans do the majority of the major firms are still family owned

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"..........

Anyone recall the 70's?!!!!

I remember the 70s well.

How old were you by 1980? About 13?"

I was 14 in 1980

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"..........

Anyone recall the 70's?!!!!

I remember the 70s well.

How old were you by 1980? About 13?

I was 14 in 1980

Jeez. It's William effin' Hague

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"..........

Anyone recall the 70's?!!!!

I remember the 70s well.

How old were you by 1980? About 13?

I was 14 in 1980

Jeez. It's William effin' Hague

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Or we could leave such businesses under government run by poor management and held to ransom by militant unions

Anyone recall the 70's?!!!!

how about the novel idea of a compromise were we take the best techniques and adapt them to our industries thus they improve and assets stay within our control (prices etc)

read W.EDWARDS DEMING on continuous improvement.

this is all the Germans do the majority of the major firms are still family owned

In theory good and in some industries in the UK this has been shown to work - the example of Nissan in the UK where Japanese management and British workers have work together

But in nationalised industries unions became too strong and management was too weak and poorly skilled - the post office is a good example of this. Its recent return to profitability is only because the government has waived the been to contribute to a £4bn pensions deficit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think people are mis guided if they think privateisation has given a better service.

They lead us to believe profits are ploughed back into their respective networks, this is utter rubbish, profits are paid to senior managers and investors.

If these companies are so successful they should be made to help this country more by employing more staff, dont forget these companies increase profits by placing more people on the dole and asking the government and ultimately us vis taxes pay them support.

BP, BT , British Gas etc should be forced to employ more people, they make billions of profit.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Anyone in favour of privatisation should remember East Coast Mainline.

National Express were rubbing their hands in glee whilst handing each other HUGE salaries and bonuses. Then it all went tits up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Or we could leave such businesses under government run by poor management and held to ransom by militant unions

Anyone recall the 70's?!!!!

how about the novel idea of a compromise were we take the best techniques and adapt them to our industries thus they improve and assets stay within our control (prices etc)

read W.EDWARDS DEMING on continuous improvement.

this is all the Germans do the majority of the major firms are still family owned

In theory good and in some industries in the UK this has been shown to work - the example of Nissan in the UK where Japanese management and British workers have work together

a very good point however i fear we are too quick to throw something away if it doesn't work the way we want it to

instead of assessing the problem then developing a solution that is practical affordable flexible and workable before implementation

it seems some people in high places are scared of hard work so they throw the baby out with the bath water.

Pensions in this country are disaster waiting to happen for everyone not just nationalized industries and this because government in the recent past decided to let companies take pension holidays which has now come back to haunt them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the profits are pumped back into the service then yes.

But that's not going to happen...

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By * Busty HotwifeCouple
over a year ago

Bradford

"This means that they will have money put aside to produce tax cuts just before the next election. As said above, tories doing what tories do."

Just like Labour when they came into power in 97. After slagging off the Tories for their reduced spending budgets they maintained those very same cuts for approx 3 years before putting the money back into the system so folk felt flush just in time for the next election.

Do you honestly think Labour are different? We're in the mess because of those lily livered t**** who refused to address the issue when it was clear what was happening because they always refuse to make the tough decisions. Truly a case of fiddling whilst Rome burnt. Fiddling in more ways than one.

Cameron's a c*** but at least he's had the balls to make very unpopular and tough decisions, far more than Labour had, or will have-its just in their DNA to make unpopular but necessary decisions.

However I do believe wholeheartedly that the Royal Mail should not be privatised, nor do I believe that the cuts needed to be so deep, so speedily, in the areas they were made. Perhaps cut the welfare/immigration bill more and take care of essential services better.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Or we could leave such businesses under government run by poor management and held to ransom by militant unions

Anyone recall the 70's?!!!!

how about the novel idea of a compromise were we take the best techniques and adapt them to our industries thus they improve and assets stay within our control (prices etc)

read W.EDWARDS DEMING on continuous improvement.

this is all the Germans do the majority of the major firms are still family owned

In theory good and in some industries in the UK this has been shown to work - the example of Nissan in the UK where Japanese management and British workers have work together

the DEMING theory is that good he taught top management in Japan in the 1950's and i think you will find that Nissan are a Japanese company.

it is not a new concept but by god it works it just requires the people at the top (government of the day) put in some hard work

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This means that they will have money put aside to produce tax cuts just before the next election. As said above, tories doing what tories do.

Cameron's a c*** but at least he's had the balls to make very unpopular and tough decisions, far more than Labour had, or will have-its just in their DNA to make unpopular but necessary decisions.

i have no alliance to any political party as i firmly believe that they are only in the job for what they can make out of it on the side (directorships consultants etc)

they (MP's) hate real hard work and will always take the easy option

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By * Busty HotwifeCouple
over a year ago

Bradford

"This means that they will have money put aside to produce tax cuts just before the next election. As said above, tories doing what tories do.

Cameron's a c*** but at least he's had the balls to make very unpopular and tough decisions, far more than Labour had, or will have-its just in their DNA to make unpopular but necessary decisions.

i have no alliance to any political party as i firmly believe that they are only in the job for what they can make out of it on the side (directorships consultants etc)

they (MP's) hate real hard work and will always take the easy option

Ditto-I see them for what they are-gone are the days of the likes of Thatcher, Benn, Kinnock, Wilson or even a pre-war Churchill, love or loathe any of those names(I despise some of them but respect all of them) because they at least fought for principles and what they genuinely believed in, not just bending over backwards to the media & public opinion,as professed by a vocal minority, in order to gain power for their own nefarious ends.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

i have no alliance to any political party as i firmly believe that they are only in the job for what they can make out of it on the side (directorships consultants etc)

they (MP's) hate real hard work and will always take the easy option

The (much maligned by some) Gordon Brown

"earned more than £1.3 million through giving speeches and public engagements. He does not profit personally from the money at all, as it goes towards the running of his office and charitable donations."

"Mr Brown personally does not receive a penny from speeches or writings," a spokesman said. "He has thus no 'second income' and does not benefit from 'outside earnings'. All the fees from speeches and writings are not paid to him and all the money goes directly to charity or to fund charitable work by himself and his wife.

"Mr Brown's only income is his salary as an MP, because he has also renounced the pension conventionally paid to all former prime ministers."

Since the source of this is the Telegraph (not his biggest fan), I think it's fairly credible.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i have no alliance to any political party as i firmly believe that they are only in the job for what they can make out of it on the side (directorships consultants etc)

they (MP's) hate real hard work and will always take the easy option

The (much maligned by some) Gordon Brown

"Mr Brown's only income is his salary as an MP, because he has also renounced the pension conventionally paid to all former prime ministers."

Since the source of this is the Telegraph (not his biggest fan), I think it's fairly credible."

He may not have been the right man for PM but his political views are based on principles which he carries throughout all he does

Whilst no fan of his I do respect a leader with the moral fibre to do what he thinks is right

Now compare to Blair!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is the Tories doing what Tories do.

Why do you think the cost of stamps went up so much recently?

What beggared my belief to the max, was the Canadian woman in charge, moaning that her £1.5 million pound salary ( evidently not enough) was the result of an unfair remuneration policy. Not to mention her housing allowance.

Fuck, i could've put the price of a stamp up by 35%+ for free.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

What beggared my belief to the max, was the Canadian woman in charge, moaning that her £1.5 million pound salary ( evidently not enough) was the result of an unfair remuneration policy.

It IS, but not in the way she thought.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dont forget,a party manifesto is only a wish list.

It can be changed at any time, by any person or organisation, that has the cash to pay for it.

Ask any one of the libdem MPs that claimed if they got in they would abolish tuition fees,then took the 30 pieces of Daves silver to treble them instead.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sell of the royal mail ?

No doubt TNT & DHL are rubbing there hands at the chance to asset strip ?

Thoughts ?

It was in the small print (not to mention their neo-liberal DNA)

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

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Ask any one of the libdem MPs that claimed if they got in they would abolish tuition fees,then took the 30 pieces of Daves silver to treble them instead."

They're in Glasgow over the weekend.

I'm sure they'll get the welcome they deserve

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You mean they have built gallows in the city centre ?????

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Whilst no fan of his I do respect a leader with the moral fibre to do what he thinks is right

Now compare to Blair!!!!"

despite what many think of him he certainly had that in spades..

he expanded upon Thatcher's idealogy of which he was a fan and pushed it further..

he took us into an illegal war to maintain the special relationship etc..

he certainly came across as single minded on many issue's..

so despite not a fan of many of his policies and actions I have to say he did have some of that moral fibre ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Regardless of who's in power its a failing business.electronic communication is the way forward now and if its not sold on its the tax payer who picks the tab up.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Regardless of who's in power its a failing business.electronic communication is the way forward now and if its not sold on its the tax payer who picks the tab up."

How do you send a halogen cooker electronically?

Royal Mail is now making money.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Regardless of who's in power its a failing business.electronic communication is the way forward now and if its not sold on its the tax payer who picks the tab up.

How do you send a halogen cooker electronically?

Royal Mail is now making money."

Making money as it no longer has to contributes to a £4bn deficit in its pension scheme

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

3d printing is the future for Royal Mail.

In the shops for xmas.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Regardless of who's in power its a failing business.electronic communication is the way forward now and if its not sold on its the tax payer who picks the tab up.

How do you send a halogen cooker electronically?

Royal Mail is now making money."

How do you get a halogen cooker in in a post box?

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