FabSwingers.com forum: Who runs the UK, the media or the government ?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Seems to me the media have the ability to make or break this country.

I remember the James Bond film with Jonathan Pryce as a media mogul and he has a monologue about being able to topple a country with one front page headline.

More and more everyday we are seeing headlines designed to bend our thinking etc.

Celebrities, Politicians, Sporting hero's alike whose careers can be smashed in seconds by one headline ( regardless of proof )

So it begs the question who really runs this country the Media or the Government ??

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By *G LanaTV/TS
over a year ago

Gosport

No doubt the media organisations are one of the powerful manipulators of the government but they are only one of many.

Others to watch are the lobbyists and the very prominent think tanks. How often do we get news articles quoting research from openly politically motivated research organisations without stating anything other than occasionally the name of the organistation, this is something the BBC is appalling at.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most people are similar to sheep, they believe what they are fed, we even buy and eat foods that will eventually kill us, irradiated foods, genetically modified foods, even buy medicines that can poison us, like warfarin, the govt is clever, we are paying to get cancer and help keep the population under control. The media is fed information, and stupidly we pay to read it,

They have cancer cures, but because it wouldn't benefit the country, ie less tax on medicines and treatment, and more elderly people to look after and pay for.

Depending how we vote, depends who runs the country, and if you stopped buying newspapers, we could run the press.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Would add in Multi national companies to that list also..

when the 'media' is more of a business than a newspaper with a good rep for investigative journalism then I think the lines get crossed..

then the 'media' company has vested interests in legislation which it sees as restricting its 'growth'..

and some will do whatever it takes it seems to maintain its position..

no single anything is good for itself or for us..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whilst "big business" gets it's way, ultimately it's the Courts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

there just fighting back after their phone hacking issues the sad thing is that some misguided people in this country believe their statement that it is in the PUBLIC INTEREST.

sorry rant over.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Brussels .

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By *heMusketeersMan
over a year ago

Most West Mids Towns

i thought it was brussells?...because every time a uk government have to implement a new law or do something that us the uk taxpaying publlic do not like or agree with the government of the day say "we have to do this because it's from the eu in brussells",so in that case why are we paying all those MP's to sit in parliament to quaff expensive wines,eat nice fat expensive lunches like lobster or steaks and then try to download porn instead of doing a days work if brussells do it all in the first place?.

get rid of gov't & let brussells run us,cut out the middleman and save millions in MP's expenses and salaries then spend the savings on NHS,education and industy!.

problem solved!.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

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get rid of gov't & let brussells run us,cut out the middleman and save millions in MP's expenses and salaries then spend the savings on NHS,education and industy!.

problem solved!.

I can't believe anyone 1) thinks that'd work or 2) wants it to happen.

Get rid of Brussels bureaucracy perhaps but not the other way round. Bring decision making closer to home, not further away - remember Farage sits in Brussels.

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By *rivate auditionsMan
over a year ago

West Midlands

farage is not a problem at all.

i reckon the problem is in parliament.

burn it down or better still use it as a homeless shelter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Those in government don't run the country.they just fumble along,the unions have a big say in running the country,we may improbve if we came out of the e.u.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Business runs the world simple, not Governments. We could all run our cars on water Now, but what would happen to the Oil Barons? We get drip feed technology so we spend money so Business and Governments make money and it goes on and on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i thought it was brussells?...because every time a uk government have to implement a new law or do something that us the uk taxpaying publlic do not like or agree with the government of the day say "we have to do this because it's from the eu in brussells",so in that case why are we paying all those MP's to sit in parliament to quaff expensive wines,eat nice fat expensive lunches like lobster or steaks and then try to download porn instead of doing a days work if brussells do it all in the first place?.

get rid of gov't & let brussells run us,cut out the middleman and save millions in MP's expenses and salaries then spend the savings on NHS,education and industy!.

problem solved!.

we either run it ourselves (Westminster stormont Scottish and Welsh assemblies) or let someone else do it for us (Brussels) either way it would save us a fortune which could be reinvested back into Britain.

when are you running for office you get my vote

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"even buy medicines that can poison us, like warfarin,"

If it wasn't for warfarin, I'd be dead already

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

So it begs the question who really runs this country the Media or the Government ?? "
its the six foot lizards remember Davi Ike told us so

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So it begs the question who really runs this country the Media or the Government ?? its the six foot lizards remember Davi Ike told us so"

bloody hell your right

run for it

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Some really intelligent posts, there's a lot to be said for the amount of social conditioning put on us and the younger generation by the media and large corporations etc.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Some really intelligent posts, there's a lot to be said for the amount of social conditioning put on us and the younger generation by the media and large corporations etc.

And the two, media and large corporations, are increasingly becoming one and the same.

Simon Cowell plc?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't believe anyone is actually running the country things are such a shambles.

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By *ubble troubleCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

International capital has a massive input on global economic strategy which in turn affects our daily lives.

This is from today's Washington Post:

The University of California "Berkeley’s Emmanuel Saez and the Paris School of Economics’ Thomas Piketty have added preliminary 2012 numbers to their dataset on growth in Americans’ — and in particular rich Americans’ wealth.

They found is that while only 49 percent of the decline in incomes during the recession was born by the top 1 percent (whose income share fell to 18.1 percent due to the recession), 95 percent of income GAINS since the recovery started have gone to them."

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By *G LanaTV/TS
over a year ago

Gosport

The unions did have a lot of power but most of that went during the Thatcher government. Currently they have some influence over Labour but even they are pulling away from them, personally I think the wrong word was dropped when they stopped being referred to as New Labour. I'm not convinced that the devistation of workers rights under the coilition will be re addressed should Labour win the next election.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a runaway train, has been for sometime ..I think we ought hand over our nuclear arsenal until a responsible adult can be found .

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Why don't unions stand for parliament. They have loads a dosh, loads of members and loads of power?

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By *G LanaTV/TS
over a year ago

Gosport

I do wonder if the Labour party continue with Miliband's reforms if the unions will form a new party.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

As a nation though we are consistently fed utter garbage by the media not just on a news level but on a social, entertainment and subliminal level.

Sometimes makes me think we need to wake up as a nation and take control as it seems we live in the most un democratic democracy in the world ??

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"As a nation though we are consistently fed utter garbage by the media not just on a news level but on a social, entertainment and subliminal level.

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We're fed it but not force fed it by tube up the nose.

It CAN be avoided.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As a nation though we are consistently fed utter garbage by the media not just on a news level but on a social, entertainment and subliminal level.

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We're fed it but not force fed it by tube up the nose.

It CAN be avoided."

John Berger - 'Ways of Seeing' News is opinion with a twist of simplistic fact.

I am not articulate enough to express how I see the political system but Brogen portrays the difficulties those in power encounter when trying to implement policies they see value in whether you or I agree with them.

The media's power comes from the public's readiness to accept without question what they read or hear, miss-read or miss-hear.

I will use as an example the fury at which my unintentional flatmate stood by the fact that he heard Katie Perry mentioned at the time of the Ross/Sachs furore meant that she was the grand-daughter of Sachs and only painfully accepted his inaccuracy when I dug out Sachs's and Perry's family tree via the web lol.

What is scarier, the media or politicians peddling the lies or the fact that people are so ready to fall for them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The more americanised we become through capitalism, the more I will bet my balls that the government will always be bought/bribed/manipulated by the corporations in one way or another.

News Corp and Rupert Murdoch - for instance - does the same here as Fox does in the US, manipulating both the people of left and right wing to play them against each other, not with the intent on picking a side. Keep people distracted wit current affairs and the monopoly board is yours to play with as you please.

Congress and the presidency in the US are the top targets of their fake ass-kissing ruse just so they can get closer to their own agendas; most likely proving that they have more power than the rest of the Fortune 500. Otherwise why is a decrepit old man like Murdoch not sunning himself on that tax haven where all his money went at his ripe old age?

They get huge corporate tax breaks even when the lower classes are breaking under the strain of taxation during recessions lik these, they dumb people down with their commercial bullshit media propaganda and when things dont go their way, the smear campaign begins to sully the reputations of the people running the country. Just keeping you guessing.

When somebody new wants to come into power, the first thing they need is the backing of trusted and popular political peers. The second thing they need is funding, which usually comes in the form of private corporate backing. How else can you gain your popularity if not through the media where you will be the centre of attention?

That means favour for a favour, usually in the form of a get out of jail free card or a promise on corporate tax cuts, which we will pay for instead, because we're not powerful enough to make up the rules as we go along.

Here, Cameron isn't as popular as other leaders and I doubt he gets the same "incentives" and "endorsements" (if not the same amount, despite being one of the biggest thieving bastards we know), and although several US corporations have been caught evading tax, they dont even get fined the amount they should owe, because - favour for a favour.

Just like once upon a time, the BBC was loyal to queen, country and license fee payer (with a dutifully strong ethic of "Inform, Educate and then Entertain") and not their political bed sharers, once upon a time, this country's government had a stricter code of ethics that at least involved NOT selling us out to foreigners looking for a discount. But socialism dictated that if we were to have a good economy, we had to transform the industry to be majorly about buying and selling; Tertiary Industry being a breeding ground for greed as much as it was about economical growth.

Situation's the same as it always has been, really, but equality is an illusion and so is governmental power today. That's why they resort to such desperate measures as bedroom tax, because they really are fucked and need to display their diminishing ability to be in control of anything.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do not believe any of the fuckers as i have and can formulate my own opinions without folk trying to make my mind up for me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Definitely the media for me.

Gives us information on a need to know basis and then when we start to ask questions, it gives us football scandal, Xfactor, big brother and pointless shows like The only way is Essex to stop us rallying together on issues that we should be annoyed about.

Just like a parent giving baby a chocolate bar...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

mmm chocklit, whichever party reduces chockies I will vote for

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Definitely the media for me.

Just like a parent giving baby a chocolate bar..."

Thats interesting, do you think if the government could be for informational and competed with the media, they'd be more appealing?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

20 years ago people bought a paper or watched the 9 o clock news, nowadays news , media and networking is done on such a massive scale with more platforms than you can shake a stick at to access it.

This gives them a far far wider coverage and access to the masses they couldnt reach before.

20 years ago if we as a people felt wronged we stood up and voiced it, nowadays we tweet, fartbook, blog or moan about it on forums ( lol

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So through technology are we now paying the price of not being able to have our say and be LISTENED to or could it be the media platform we could turn to our advantage ??

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

the public do...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" to stop us rallying together on issues that we should be annoyed about.

Therein lies most of the problem. I strongly suspect that "the issues we should be annoyed about" are a world away from the issues that i and others care most about.

The media eh? Do you mean the traditional media like The major Newspapers, Radio or Television or the huge surge in new media such as Twitter and Facebook.

If the masses think the UK, or world, should be run along the lines of the bulk of twitter/facebook then we have some problem times ahead.

It never cease to sadden me when MP's such as Mensch (as was), Dorries and Teather think Parliament is all about themselves being in the limelight rather than truly governing the country for the good of all.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

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I'd rather those three stuck to reality tv, morning chat shows or the occasional column in the press than tried to formulate legislation.

There's others.

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By *at2Couple
over a year ago

north Down

Neither ..

The Bilderberg Group do ..

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By *alopeteyMan
over a year ago

maghull

The only good thing about the bureaucracy is it's inefficiency!!!

The worlds systems are broken, run by people with hearts and minds of metal, who feel nothing and love nothing!! Who watch others suffer needlessly, who kill for scraps of land and material reasons.

As a species we are a disgrace!

On that happy note lol

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