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"Managing Director of Common Purpose, she's trained over 20,000 local government, quango & NHS "leaders" (her term not mine) for what they call the "post-democractic era" (that's now, folks). "Post-democracy"?? The main concept is "leading beyond (constituted) authority" - or, wielding unlawful power, to you and me. So, is Common Purpose the number one subversive body outside Parliament? " "Post-democratic era" ... now that is a scary title. On the other hand, you only have to look at the various acts of Parliament (from Thatcher's Criminal Justice Act, through Bliar's additions and the numerous updates) and the legislation enacted in the US Congress (for example, the Patriot Act, NDAA and the Monsanto Protection Act) to see that the phrase "post-democratic" is quite shockingly apposite. As for Common Purpose, I lump it into the general cess pit of corruption along with the rest. It may be subversive on the face of things, but I suspect it is actually deeply integrated into the agendas of those of power and wealth who are actually steering us in their preferred direction... so the question is: subversive to whom or what? I do fear that we have created a nightmare for our kids to sort out.  | |||
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"Managing Director of Common Purpose, she's trained over 20,000 local government, quango & NHS "leaders" (her term not mine) for what they call the "post-democractic era" (that's now, folks). "Post-democracy"?? The main concept is "leading beyond (constituted) authority" - or, wielding unlawful power, to you and me. So, is Common Purpose the number one subversive body outside Parliament? "Post-democratic era" ... now that is a scary title. On the other hand, you only have to look at the various acts of Parliament (from Thatcher's Criminal Justice Act, through Bliar's additions and the numerous updates) and the legislation enacted in the US Congress (for example, the Patriot Act, NDAA and the Monsanto Protection Act) to see that the phrase "post-democratic" is quite shockingly apposite. As for Common Purpose, I lump it into the general cess pit of corruption along with the rest. It may be subversive on the face of things, but I suspect it is actually deeply integrated into the agendas of those of power and wealth who are actually steering us in their preferred direction... so the question is: subversive to whom or what? I do fear that we have created a nightmare for our kids to sort out. "Great post , yet there still remains many who would disbelive ...can anyone tell me if she was at The recent Biliderberg ' private party' ? | |||
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""Post-democratic era" ... now that is a scary title. On the other hand, you only have to look at the various acts of Parliament and the legislation enacted in the US Congres to see that the phrase "post-democratic" is quite shockingly apposite. Common Purpose, I lump into the general cess pit of corruption along with the rest. It may be subversive on the face of things, but I suspect it is actually deeply integrated into the agendas of those of power and wealth who are actually steering us in their preferred direction... so the question is: subversive to whom or what? I do fear that we have created a nightmare for our kids to sort out. "Yes, except of course the kids will not be able to sort it out. The policy of daily subversion is not only in order to steer us by the rich & powerful but to criminalise us all (111,000 new regulations to date), to undermine the fabric of this nation (churches, families, schools, mass immigration as a political weapon, courts, hospitals - open your newspaper for the results every day) and ultimately to ABOLISH the nations of Great Britain and England by creating a new "post-democratic era" with a single "common" purpose led by unelected leaders (as the EU now is) "leading BEYOND their authority! It is the Soviet system. Communism did NOT end with the fall of the Berlin Wall. They run the EU and they run YOU & I. PS FGS don't think Che Guevera images when you think of communists. Communism is a form of GOVERNANCE that suits governors and it was created as such. | |||
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""Post-democratic era" ... now that is a scary title. On the other hand, you only have to look at the various acts of Parliament and the legislation enacted in the US Congres to see that the phrase "post-democratic" is quite shockingly apposite. Common Purpose, I lump into the general cess pit of corruption along with the rest. It may be subversive on the face of things, but I suspect it is actually deeply integrated into the agendas of those of power and wealth who are actually steering us in their preferred direction... so the question is: subversive to whom or what? I do fear that we have created a nightmare for our kids to sort out.
Yes, except of course the kids will not be able to sort it out.
The policy of daily subversion is not only in order to steer us by the rich & powerful but to criminalise us all (111,000 new regulations to date), to undermine the fabric of this nation (churches, families, schools, mass immigration as a political weapon, courts, hospitals - open your newspaper for the results every day) and ultimately to ABOLISH the nations of Great Britain and England by creating a new "post-democratic era" with a single "common" purpose led by unelected leaders (as the EU now is) "leading BEYOND their authority!
It is the Soviet system. Communism did NOT end with the fall of the Berlin Wall. They run the EU and they run YOU & I.
PS FGS don't think Che Guevera images when you think of communists. Communism is a form of GOVERNANCE that suits governors and it was created as such. "I always think of Che Guevara when communism pops into my mind, but not the image of a so called freedom fighter in a beret. I think of the ruthless murdering scumbag that he REALLY was, who got his just desserts in Bolivia. As for "post democracy" it is here now in the form of the EU commission. Ask yourself this. How many of you voted for the President of the EU council or the President of the EU commission? or even how many of you can name them without looking it up? PS They both get paid more than Obama who actually was elected. | |||
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"The policy of daily subversion is not only in order to steer us by the rich & powerful but to criminalise us all (111,000 new regulations to date), to undermine the fabric of this nation (churches, families, schools, mass immigration as a political weapon, courts, hospitals - open your newspaper for the results every day) and ultimately to ABOLISH the nations of Great Britain and England by creating a new "post-democratic era" with a single "common" purpose led by unelected leaders (as the EU now is) "leading BEYOND their authority! It is the Soviet system. Communism did NOT end with the fall of the Berlin Wall. They run the EU and they run YOU & I. PS FGS don't think Che Guevera images when you think of communists. Communism is a form of GOVERNANCE that suits governors and it was created as such. I always think of Che Guevara when communism pops into my mind, but not the image of a so called freedom fighter in a beret. I think of the ruthless murdering scumbag that he REALLY was, who got his just desserts in Bolivia. As for "post democracy" it is here now in the form of the EU commission. Ask yourself this. How many of you voted for the President of the EU council or the President of the EU commission? or even how many of you can name them without looking it up? PS They both get paid more than Obama who actually was elected." Danke schön, meine gnädige Frau. Bang on the money. Correct. | |||
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"All hail the Great Owl!! "Apparently the sex is great but the worship is God-awful. PS Kopinov, are you trying to 'subvert' this thread??? | |||
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"definitely not I would put all the women child neglecters and abusers etc way in front of her" Hmmm...think you might have missed the bigger picture !  | |||
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"Managing Director of Common Purpose, she's trained over 20,000 local government, quango & NHS "leaders" (her term not mine) for what they call the "post-democractic era" (that's now, folks). "Post-democracy"?? The main concept is "leading beyond (constituted) authority" - or, wielding unlawful power, to you and me. So, is Common Purpose the number one subversive body outside Parliament? " I agree. 
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"All hail the Great Owl!!
Apparently the sex is great but the worship is God-awful.
PS Kopinov, are you trying to 'subvert' this thread???"Not so much this thread as the seemingly universal acceptance of where we are being steered. | |||
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"All hail the Great Owl!!
Apparently the sex is great but the worship is God-awful.
PS Kopinov, are you trying to 'subvert' this thread???"pray tell.. how does one subvert a conspiracy theory.. | |||
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"Great post , yet there still remains many who would disbelive ...can anyone tell me if she was at The recent Biliderberg ' private party' ?" Julia Middleton 'went underground' earlier this year after the MSM started running pieces on her activities & funding so I'd be suprised if she were to be seen openly there. Incidentally it is easy to look up on the internet who is a "Common Purpose Graduate" (lol) in your local police force, fire service, council, education officers, NHS "managers" etc. They are amongst us! | |||
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"All hail the Great Owl!! Apparently the sex is great but the worship is God-awful. PS Kopinov, are you trying to 'subvert' this thread??? pray tell.. how does one subvert a conspiracy theory.." What theory? What conspiracy? This thread relates to Common Purpose's published documents, conferences, inter_iews, graduate school and also to known EU legislation & treaties. It is called EVIDENCE of COMPLICITY. | |||
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"All hail the Great Owl!! Apparently the sex is great but the worship is God-awful. PS Kopinov, are you trying to 'subvert' this thread??? pray tell.. how does one subvert a conspiracy theory.. What theory? What conspiracy? This thread relates to Common Purpose's published documents, conferences, inter_iews, graduate school and also to known EU legislation & treaties. It is called EVIDENCE of COMPLICITY." its your opinion.. care to elaborate how this 'Communism' is detrimentally affecting our daily lives.. btw, whats with the shouty shouty..? doesn't make anything more proven if its in caps you know.. | |||
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"definitely not I would put all the women child neglecters and abusers etc way in front of her Hmmm...think you might have missed the bigger picture ! "blimey I think I might have if she is more odious than a child abuser can someone please explain why and I might well jump on-board with your hatred of her | |||
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"This thread relates to Common Purpose's published documents, conferences, inter_iews, graduate school and also to known EU legislation & treaties. It is called EVIDENCE of COMPLICITY. its your opinion.. care to elaborate how this 'Communism' is detrimentally affecting our daily lives.. btw, whats with the shouty shouty..? doesn't make anything more proven if its in caps you know.." Yes, there is an entire body of evidence listed in this thread, to which you are entitled to respond to point by point. I prefer not to respond to emotional or emotive outburts but just to stick to the case. If you have any firm evidence that contradicts (other than emotion) what's being said, then let's hear it ...  | |||
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"This thread relates to Common Purpose's published documents, conferences, inter_iews, graduate school and also to known EU legislation & treaties. It is called EVIDENCE of COMPLICITY. its your opinion.. care to elaborate how this 'Communism' is detrimentally affecting our daily lives.. btw, whats with the shouty shouty..? doesn't make anything more proven if its in caps you know.. Yes, there is an entire body of evidence listed in this thread, to which you are entitled to respond to point by point. I prefer not to respond to emotional or emotive outburts but just to stick to the case. If you have any firm evidence that contradicts (other than emotion) what's being said, then let's hear it ... "the irony that i'm emotional cos I pointed out that you have been using caps to emphasise or I suspect give more kudos to your opinion of the subject in hand..
and now you wish for me to 'prove' or elaborate on your position as you don't seem to have the answer to the question I asked about daily life etc ..
well if I thought it was that important, perhaps..
however its over there with the PNAC, the 'Church', uncontrolled Capitalism, etc etc..
so stick to the case then, just how have these people directly adversely affected our lives..
that's today, here in the UK..
not what they want to do..
FFS folk want to do all sorts of stuff..
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"definitely not I would put all the women child neglecters and abusers etc way in front of her Hmmm...think you might have missed the bigger picture !
blimey I think I might have if she is more odious than a child abuser
can someone please explain why and I might well jump on-board with your hatred of her"Sam, as odious as she be, and as worthy of hatred she may be, I for one don't hate her (to use your term). You know all these instances of fatal & vile neglect, infection, botched surgery, non-English speaking consultants etc in NHS hospitals, for example. This is the work of Middleton by transferring power away from doctors & nurses to executives or 'managers'. You can get killed in hospitals these days. That's just the tip of the iceberg. | |||
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"so stick to the case then, just how have these people directly adversely affected our lives today. " I refer you to my answer above & to the entire thread. | |||
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"Managing Director of Common Purpose, she's trained over 20,000 local government, quango & NHS "leaders" (her term not mine) for what they call the "post-democractic era" (that's now, folks). "Post-democracy"?? The main concept is "leading beyond (constituted) authority" - or, wielding unlawful power, to you and me. So, is Common Purpose the number one subversive body outside Parliament? " Hmmmm after giving this much thought,and prior to making any judgement on Julia Middleton,I feel I must ask a question. the answer to said question,will be critical to any judgement I make on her most odious woman in Britain status. What's her tits like??? | |||
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"............. You know all these instances of fatal & vile neglect, infection, botched surgery, non-English speaking consultants etc in NHS hospitals, for example. This is the work of Middleton by transferring power away from doctors & nurses to executives or 'managers'. You can get killed in hospitals these days. That's just the tip of the iceberg. "It has always been possible to get killed in hospitals. It doesn't and never has required neglect nor a poor grasp on English. Sick people die sometimes. | |||
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""Post-democratic era" ... now that is a scary title. On the other hand, you only have to look at the various acts of Parliament and the legislation enacted in the US Congres to see that the phrase "post-democratic" is quite shockingly apposite. Common Purpose, I lump into the general cess pit of corruption along with the rest. It may be subversive on the face of things, but I suspect it is actually deeply integrated into the agendas of those of power and wealth who are actually steering us in their preferred direction... so the question is: subversive to whom or what? I do fear that we have created a nightmare for our kids to sort out.
Yes, except of course the kids will not be able to sort it out.
The policy of daily subversion is not only in order to steer us by the rich & powerful but to criminalise us all (111,000 new regulations to date), to undermine the fabric of this nation (churches, families, schools, mass immigration as a political weapon, courts, hospitals - open your newspaper for the results every day) and ultimately to ABOLISH the nations of Great Britain and England by creating a new "post-democratic era" with a single "common" purpose led by unelected leaders (as the EU now is) "leading BEYOND their authority!
It is the Soviet system. Communism did NOT end with the fall of the Berlin Wall. They run the EU and they run YOU & I.
PS FGS don't think Che Guevera images when you think of communists. Communism is a form of GOVERNANCE that suits governors and it was created as such.
I always think of Che Guevara when communism pops into my mind, but not the image of a so called freedom fighter in a beret. I think of the ruthless murdering scumbag that he REALLY was, who got his just desserts in Bolivia.
As for "post democracy" it is here now in the form of the EU commission. Ask yourself this. How many of you voted for the President of the EU council or the President of the EU commission? or even how many of you can name them without looking it up?
PS They both get paid more than Obama who actually was elected."You mean the "Che Guevara" who watched people being executed amd said "Trials are such a bourgeouis concept"? Evil bastard he was. | |||
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"That's just the tip of the iceberg.
It has always been possible to get killed in hospitals.
It doesn't and never has required neglect nor a poor grasp on English.
Sick people die sometimes."So you prefer to ignore the damning published reports on some NHS hospitals? | |||
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"Hmmmm after giving this much thought,and prior to making any judgement on Julia Middleton,I feel I must ask a question. the answer to said question,will be critical to any judgement I make on her most odious woman in Britain status. What's her tits like??? "Well she is - shall we say - well-fed, unsuprisingly | |||
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"That's just the tip of the iceberg.
It has always been possible to get killed in hospitals.
It doesn't and never has required neglect nor a poor grasp on English.
Sick people die sometimes.
So you prefer to ignore the damning published reports on some NHS hospitals?"How did you jump from what I wrote to what you wrote? Your conclusion 'might' be right. I'm just saying it doesn't 'have' to be. | |||
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"You mean the "Che Guevara" who watched people being executed amd said "Trials are such a bourgeouis concept"? Evil bastard he was." Yes, that's the 'fella - though he was not a patch on the Soviets (not Russians themselves) in the Red Terror : you're talking millions of murders here, I am sad to report. | |||
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"You mean the "Che Guevara" who watched people being executed amd said "Trials are such a bourgeouis concept"? Evil bastard he was. Yes, that's the 'fella - though he was not a patch on the Soviets (not Russians themselves) in the Red Terror : you're talking millions of murders here, I am sad to report." Indeed. Although I'm sure Ernest would have fitted in well and enjoyed all the murdering in the USSR.Thank God I was born into the evil capitalist Uk. | |||
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"How did you jump from what I wrote to what you wrote?" The plethora of anomalies & specific abusive practices in our hospitals are all well-documented & unprecedented - as you certainly already know. | |||
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"How did you jump from what I wrote to what you wrote? The plethora of anomalies & specific abusive practices in our hospitals are all well-documented & unprecedented - as you certainly already know. " As in the 1400 "unnecessary deaths" in Stafford Hospital? | |||
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"Wow. You take a comfort break and the thread has gone from Middleton to Che. "Some people see the bigger picture. | |||
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"............. You know all these instances of fatal & vile neglect, infection, botched surgery, non-English speaking consultants etc in NHS hospitals, for example. This is the work of iMiddleton by transferring power away from doctors & nurses to executives or 'managers'. You can get killed in hospitals these days. That's just the tip of the iceberg.
It has always been possible to get killed in hospitals.
It doesn't and never has required neglect nor a poor grasp on English.
Sick people die sometimes."I would have to agree,it's always been possible to get killed in hospitals.bringing in so many tears of managers has just made it more efficient. It also gives so many more options,when massaging the figures.  | |||
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"Indeed. Although I'm sure Ernest would have fitted in well and enjoyed all the murdering in the USSR.Thank God I was born into the evil capitalist Uk." Ah, yes, thank God you were lol. However beware because (as has been the point of this thread) 'cultural marxism' has become the chosen method of subverting this nation. So now it's not so much a case of mind your back, as mind your head. | |||
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"The plethora of anomalies & specific abusive practices in our hospitals are all well-documented & unprecedented - as you certainly already know. As in the 1400 "unnecessary deaths" in Stafford Hospital?" 
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"To be honest, experience has taught me not to trust any of the people currently shaping the way of the world. All those who called themselves "communists" never paid anything other than lip service to the thoughts of Marx or Lenin - the truth is that there has never been a truly communist country and, as far as I can see, any idea of communist principle (or anarchism, for that matter) will only ever work within a society where everyone is able to recognize everyone else by face (ie. fewer than 700 people). As for the idea of basing a political system upon any variation on the theme of a free-market, well that's never really happened either - no sooner has the democracy become established when one or another of the "entrepreneurs" funding the politician demands his pound of flesh. That's not to say it isn't possible - it's just that every time it's been tried so far some Rothschild-Bilderberg-GoldmanSachs type influence ends up coming into play simply by virtue of their wealth and the susceptibility of politicians to their influence." I love the idea of a communist society.Problem is when you put humans into it. | |||
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"How did you jump from what I wrote to what you wrote? The plethora of anomalies & specific abusive practices in our hospitals are all well-documented & unprecedented - as you certainly already know. As in the 1400 "unnecessary deaths" in Stafford Hospital?" 1400 unnecessary deaths ?, that's a similar number to Syria !...we may have Obama putting his fleet offshore and raining missiles upon us in The new livery ...a blue body with red nose cone ...with demestos kills written on them , these may well clear up MSRA and any other nasties present . | |||
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"To be honest, experience has taught me not to trust any of the people currently shaping the way of the world. All those who called themselves "communists" never paid anything other than lip service to the thoughts of Marx or Lenin - the truth is that there has never been a truly communist country and, as far as I can see, any idea of communist principle (or anarchism, for that matter) will only ever work within a society where everyone is able to recognize everyone else by face (ie. fewer than 700 people). As for the idea of basing a political system upon any variation on the theme of a free-market, well that's never really happened either - no sooner has the democracy become established when one or another of the "entrepreneurs" funding the politician demands his pound of flesh. That's not to say it isn't possible - it's just that every time it's been tried so far some Rothschild-Bilderberg-GoldmanSachs type influence ends up coming into play simply by virtue of their wealth and the susceptibility of politicians to their influence.I love the idea of a communist society.Problem is when you put humans into it." Precisely! | |||
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"Is she related to pippa Middleton,, I remember her from the wedding, what a great bum, "Ahh, if only that were so ... | |||
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"Incidentally, I don't see anything wrong with being Jewish. "Happy New Year! | |||
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"Yes populist utopian movements are one thing but Das Kapital is an altogether different animal. When it speaks of the abolition of private property but also of the creation of a Central Bank, it means exactly that. You own nothing. But the Bank owns everything. Remind you of anything??? "Indeed it does ... oh the irony of it all! "Incidentally, I don't see anything wrong with being Jewish.
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"It's been too long since we had a extremist nut-job thread like this, so thanks! I needed a good chuckle. The anti-Common Purpose campaign certainly has become a banner for right-wing conspiracy theorists to flock to in recent years. Is it a communist crusade? An EU-backed freemason style secret society? Or perhaps......just perhaps.....a bit of training and networking for Public Sector managers in the same vein as business leaders have always done. Who knows "And you are qualified to call posts "nut jobs"? Do tell. | |||
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"It's been too long since we had a extremist nut-job thread like this, so thanks! I needed a good chuckle. The anti-Common Purpose campaign certainly has become a banner for right-wing conspiracy theorists to flock to in recent years. Is it a communist crusade? An EU-backed freemason style secret society? Or perhaps......just perhaps.....a bit of training and networking for Public Sector managers in the same vein as business leaders have always done. Who knows "As far as I'm concerned, true "conspiracy theories" are only spread to take our attention away from what's really going on. Pseudo-conspiracy theories, on the other hand, are merely those ideas to which has drawn a level of criticism such that someone has decided to label it a "conspiracy theory" - the label itself does nothing to affect the cogency (or lack thereof) of the idea itself. To tell you the truth, I've never been one for following other peoples theories blindly - I always prefer to do my own research and come to my own conclusions. Corruption, though, is a different matter entirely - it has become something akin to the default state of any established system that isn't entirely opaque. That, by the way, is an observation - not just a theory.... and I don't mind _iewing Common Purpose in the manner I do in light of this. | |||
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I really shouldn't have attempted getting up to speed on this thread on a Friday evening after nearly a bottle of Chardonnay...
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"It's been too long since we had a extremist nut-job thread like this, so thanks! I needed a good chuckle. The anti-Common Purpose campaign certainly has become a banner for right-wing conspiracy theorists to flock to in recent years. Is it a communist crusade? An EU-backed freemason style secret society? Or perhaps......just perhaps.....a bit of training and networking for Public Sector managers in the same vein as business leaders have always done. Who knows "Since you mention that particular aspect of all this, I'm reminded that Caroline Spellman is pretty odious too. | |||
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Not a great idea, Tediccus ha ha. I've been on it for 7 hours now so I wish I was having a glass with you right now "Well ya can't - I've just finished off the bottle and it's the last one - oh bollocks!!!! Note to self: visit Sainsbury's first thing tomorrow - hic! | |||
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" I'm reminded that Caroline Spellman is pretty odious too." What's the beef on Spellman, Kopi??? | |||
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"You're welcome Stag. Although I'm now kicking myself for biting
FWIW, I have attended a Common Purpose seminar and didn't find it anything other than an exercise in mind-numbingly dull managementk-speak. If there is indeed an evil empire
, I certainly agree that this is the way it would sound."Lol, no worries. Did you go on the CP Graduate course? | |||
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" I'm reminded that Caroline Spellman is pretty odious too. What's the beef on Spellman, Kopi??? " Oh boy, where do I start?! Suffice to say she stitched up half the rural civil service in a deal that handed just about every statutory power in diluted form to a cabal comprising the upper echelons of the NFU and the British Retail Consortium - the result is what we now call the Farm Assurance Scheme (aka Red Tractor). Red Tractor purports to ensure the maintenance of food standards in the UK but the truth is that many (or just about all) of the means by which DEFRE (formerly MAFF, etc) enforced food hygiene standards and good production practices has been replaced by a system of audits that cannot encompass food safety - and all the profits from this go to a select few at the top, including Spellman. In other words, for example, there is now no system to regulate the percentage of shit in the milk you drink - to cite just one facet of this. The whole thing stinks. At the time the deal was done, Spellman was a major player in both the NFU and the BRC whilst holding down her role as Secretary of Sate overseeing agriculture and food production - an interest she somehow got away with never fully declaring. She and her associates made a mint from the public purse - and nobody has done a thing to lift the lid on it ... but not to worry - time will see it out! In fact ... https://www.facebook.com/RedTractorAssurance | |||
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"* DEFRA, rather. "WOW brilliant illustration of the way we are governed these days
Now why am I not suprised?? | |||
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