FabSwingers.com forum: age of consent

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

With the onset of compulsory education for the 16-18 age group, do you think the govt. will want to raise the age of consent.

Perhaps we'll start seeing creches in schools

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"With the onset of compulsory education for the 16-18 age group, do you think the govt. will want to raise the age of consent.

Perhaps we'll start seeing creches in schools

I never thought of that, that could easily become a reality

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whats the point? Most parents now-a-days are under 16 anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wasn't that on the news ages ago? A school had to open a creche due to underage pregnancies?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Wasn't that on the news ages ago? A school had to open a creche due to underage pregnancies?"

But this age group won't be underaged.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i think they should lower the age of consent to 14.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally I can't see it being raised, it's already higher than some countries as it is.

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By *pecifically1Woman
over a year ago

Hull

"Whats the point? Most parents now-a-days are under 16 anyway"

Are they???? That is news to me and thousands of parents...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Whats the point? Most parents now-a-days are under 16 anyway

Are they???? That is news to me and thousands of parents..."

Yeah I'm ancient but still a parent

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wasn't that on the news ages ago? A school had to open a creche due to underage pregnancies?

But this age group won't be underaged. "

No. I was highlighting the fact that there are already creches in some schools.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i think they should lower the age of consent to 14."

Why?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i think they should lower the age of consent to 14."

Physically it makes sense but psychologically it would be a disaster

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i think they should lower the age of consent to 14.

Why? "

14 year olds are quite grown up, 14 is the age of consent in france, i think the french are more broad minded than the british.

when i was 14 i wanted sex all the time.

its ok if you take precautions.

better to find out what men are like sooner rather than later.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i think they should lower the age of consent to 14.

Physically it makes sense but psychologically it would be a disaster "

lots of people in their twenties arent grown up though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i think they should lower the age of consent to 14.

Why?

14 year olds are quite grown up, 14 is the age of consent in france, i think the french are more broad minded than the british.

when i was 14 i wanted sex all the time.

its ok if you take precautions.

better to find out what men are like sooner rather than later.

And the french think onion soup is a delicacy!!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"i think they should lower the age of consent to 14.

Why? "

That'd be a recipe for disaster.

BTW. The age of consent in the Vatican City is 12.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"i think they should lower the age of consent to 14.

Why?

That'd be a recipe for disaster.

BTW. The age of consent in the Vatican City is 12."
Bloody hell, there goes my bet......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whats the point? Most parents now-a-days are under 16 anyway

Are they???? That is news to me and thousands of parents..."

You know what I mean

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If they lowered the age of consent it wouldn't bother me anyway, I won't sleep with anyone under 18 anyway

If they raised it to 18, still doesn't effect me

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"i think they should lower the age of consent to 14.

Why?

14 year olds are quite grown up, 14 is the age of consent in france, i think the french are more broad minded than the british.

when i was 14 i wanted sex all the time.

its ok if you take precautions.

better to find out what men are like sooner rather than later.

Actually the age of sexual consent in France is 15, and that is only for sex between two minors (under 18)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My daughter has just turned 16 so yes yes raise it, today 18, no 21 actually 35 yeah 35

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they lowered the age of consent it wouldn't bother me anyway, I won't sleep with anyone under 18 anyway

If they raised it to 18, still doesn't effect me"

That's my thinking however...I know a 34 year old guy dating a 16 year old girl, IMO....it's not right !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

God! ,that makes me feel old losing my virginity at 16 and having my son at 23.

I can remember a few girls from my school were pregnant whilst sitting our gcses.

Unfortunately I think this is something that will never be rectified, as long as there protecting themselves.

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By *ark Gr8 Teddy BearMan
over a year ago

Wigan

I don't get the big deal about difference in age in a couple. As long as they are happy with each other what should it matter?. As for age of consent that should be when the person involved gives consent as they feel they are ready. After all if its not consent its rape.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i think they should lower the age of consent to 14."

Why?....just intrigued to know your reasons there

Ive kids and no way at 14 were they mature enough and also a lot of 16 year olds arnt mature enough i think 16 is the lowest it should be.

And im the parent of 2 kids at 16 and not a grandparent so not all kids are becoming teen parents thank god

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They do need to change the law so that is two 15 years have sex they are both charged with rape of a minor. Kid have to learn that they might not like a law but they have to obey them. It is all this oh there are only kids let them that why kids think it is okay to stab a someone for looking funny at him girl.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"i think they should lower the age of consent to 14.

Why?....just intrigued to know your reasons there

Ive kids and no way at 14 were they mature enough and also a lot of 16 year olds arnt mature enough i think 16 is the lowest it should be.

And im the parent of 2 kids at 16 and not a grandparent so not all kids are becoming teen parents thank god

don't worry - she contradicts herself a few posts on by saying people aged 20 aren't mature enough to have kids - odd how 14 year olds are mature enough in her eyes though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i think they should lower the age of consent to 14.

Why?

14 year olds are quite grown up, 14 is the age of consent in france, i think the french are more broad minded than the british.

when i was 14 i wanted sex all the time.

its ok if you take precautions.

better to find out what men are like sooner rather than later.

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Ah just read this and i find it quite scary really i was still playing with dolls and dreaming of boy bands at 14 and i have nieces that age that still look and act so young id be horrified if i thought they were sex mad precautions or not....

Each to their own but id find it wrong to lower it to 14.

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By *r Mahogany70Man
over a year ago

Leicester

"Whats the point? Most parents now-a-days are under 16 anyway"

Really? "Most parents"? Over 51% of parents are under 16 years of age? My, I learn so much from these forums...

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

it doesnt matte what the age of consent is as it seems quite clear that kids will do what they want anyway and have sex and babies when they are still children themselves.

i watched a programme nce where it was a 13 year olds dream to become a teenage mum.

maybe we need to go back to the days where underage pregnancy was something to be ashamed of?

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"i think they should lower the age of consent to 14.

Why?....just intrigued to know your reasons there

Ive kids and no way at 14 were they mature enough and also a lot of 16 year olds arnt mature enough i think 16 is the lowest it should be.

And im the parent of 2 kids at 16 and not a grandparent so not all kids are becoming teen parents thank god

My kids are 21, 25 and 30. The eldest is married, the other two have boyfriends and I'm not a granny!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"it doesnt matte what the age of consent is as it seems quite clear that kids will do what they want anyway and have sex and babies when they are still children themselves.

i watched a programme nce where it was a 13 year olds dream to become a teenage mum.

maybe we need to go back to the days where underage pregnancy was something to be ashamed of?"

and something that was the parents/grandparents problem and only theirs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i think they should lower the age of consent to 14.

Why?....just intrigued to know your reasons there

Ive kids and no way at 14 were they mature enough and also a lot of 16 year olds arnt mature enough i think 16 is the lowest it should be.

And im the parent of 2 kids at 16 and not a grandparent so not all kids are becoming teen parents thank god

My kids are 21, 25 and 30. The eldest is married, the other two have boyfriends and I'm not a granny!"

You must have been a responsible parent and given some sound advice

And i know kids will do what they do regardless of anything a parent says at times but ive always been so open with my boys and made sure there are condoms there if they should be ready to use them.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

"i think they should lower the age of consent to 14.

Why?

That'd be a recipe for disaster.

BTW. The age of consent in the Vatican City is 12."
Now raised to 18 by the new Pope.Best to check "facts" before posting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i think they should lower the age of consent to 14.

Why?....just intrigued to know your reasons there

Ive kids and no way at 14 were they mature enough and also a lot of 16 year olds arnt mature enough i think 16 is the lowest it should be.

And im the parent of 2 kids at 16 and not a grandparent so not all kids are becoming teen parents thank god

don't worry - she contradicts herself a few posts on by saying people aged 20 aren't mature enough to have kids - odd how 14 year olds are mature enough in her eyes though

I didnt say people in their twenties werent mature enough to have kids, i said they arent much more mature than 14 year olds, a lot of them.

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By *RYBBWCouple
over a year ago

Leeds.

"i think they should lower the age of consent to 14.

Why?

That'd be a recipe for disaster.

BTW. The age of consent in the Vatican City is 12."

I wonder why.....

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

"i think they should lower the age of consent to 14.

Why?

That'd be a recipe for disaster.

BTW. The age of consent in the Vatican City is 12.

I wonder why....."
It's been raised to 18

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i think they should lower the age of consent to 14.

Why?

That'd be a recipe for disaster.

BTW. The age of consent in the Vatican City is 12.

I wonder why....."

Before the choirs voices break?

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By *riendly foeWoman
over a year ago

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I didnt say people in their twenties werent mature enough to have kids, i said they arent much more mature than 14 year olds, a lot of them."

So imagine how immature those ones were at 14....

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

"i think they should lower the age of consent to 14.

Why?

That'd be a recipe for disaster.

BTW. The age of consent in the Vatican City is 12.

I wonder why.....

Before the choirs voices break?"
For God's sake it's been RAISED TO 18

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By *riendly foeWoman
over a year ago

In a crisp poke on the A814

BTW. The age of consent in the Vatican City is 12.

I wonder why....."

Probably because Mary was that age

It has been raised to 18 now....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i think they should lower the age of consent to 14.

Why?

14 year olds are quite grown up, 14 is the age of consent in france, i think the french are more broad minded than the british.

when i was 14 i wanted sex all the time.

its ok if you take precautions.

better to find out what men are like sooner rather than later.

Each to their own but id find it wrong to lower it to 14."

they only look young to us because we are much older, i never knew anyone when i was 14 who played with dolls.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whats the point? Most parents now-a-days are under 16 anyway

Are they???? That is news to me and thousands of parents..."

Especially as the average age of first children births have been rising steadily and are now 29 years plus as far as

I recall

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whats the point? Most parents now-a-days are under 16 anyway"

most?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i think they should lower the age of consent to 14.

Why?

14 year olds are quite grown up, 14 is the age of consent in france, i think the french are more broad minded than the british.

when i was 14 i wanted sex all the time.

its ok if you take precautions.

better to find out what men are like sooner rather than later.

Each to their own but id find it wrong to lower it to 14.

they only look young to us because we are much older, i never knew anyone when i was 14 who played with dolls.

No they look young because they are young.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"i think they should lower the age of consent to 14.

Physically it makes sense but psychologically it would be a disaster "

You are medically wrong! There is a direct correlation between early sexual activity and incidents of cervical cancer!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The age of consent isn't a when you have to have sex it's when you can have sex. Plenty of people wait till long past age of consent before having sex in the same way that some people ignore it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

my mum was always telling me that she left home and started work when she was 14, i think maybe some 14 year olds act young because they are still being treated like kids

some people dont want their kids to grow up.

some may even be jealous of them if they are having sex. maybe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i think they should lower the age of consent to 14.

Physically it makes sense but psychologically it would be a disaster

You are medically wrong! There is a direct correlation between early sexual activity and incidents of cervical cancer!"

Also a lot of problems during birth and with the babies as a teenage girls body is not finished growing or developed enough to carry babies safely.

I know they can but they are at higher risk of abnormalities and difficult births till fully grown...its absurd to think 14 year olds are mentally and physically old enough to be having sex....most 14 year olds cant be left to get themself out of bed on time.

Some may look older but whats wrong with our kids being kids for as long as possible.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The age of consent isn't a when you have to have sex it's when you can have sex. Plenty of people wait till long past age of consent before having sex in the same way that some people ignore it."

Yes of course they do, i didnt have sex till i was 17.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"my mum was always telling me that she left home and started work when she was 14, i think maybe some 14 year olds act young because they are still being treated like kids

some people dont want their kids to grow up.

some may even be jealous of them if they are having sex. maybe."

Jealous of their own kids your off your rocker,im sure no other sane person would be jealous of their 14 year old having sex im sure they would be horified not jealous

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By *riendly foeWoman
over a year ago

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over a year ago

In a crisp poke on the A814

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By *ark Gr8 Teddy BearMan
over a year ago

Wigan

Kids these days are more mature earlier due to exposure to tv and computer games and the internet. And if they want to have sex they will. Whether its with someone their age or older. The main thing to me is the informed consent part. As long as they agree to it and know what it is they're agreeing too, it should be ok.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"my mum was always telling me that she left home and started work when she was 14, i think maybe some 14 year olds act young because they are still being treated like kids

some people dont want their kids to grow up.

some may even be jealous of them if they are having sex. maybe.

Jealous of their own kids your off your rocker,im sure no other sane person would be jealous of their 14 year old having sex im sure they would be horified not jealous "

I wouldnt be horrified, it happens. i would just hope they were careful.

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By (user no longer on site)
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"my mum was always telling me that she left home and started work when she was 14, i think maybe some 14 year olds act young because they are still being treated like kids

some people dont want their kids to grow up.

some may even be jealous of them if they are having sex. maybe."

your right. I'm going to get my 13 year old on a dating site ready to boot out next year and stand on her own two feet the fookjng scrounger

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"my mum was always telling me that she left home and started work when she was 14, i think maybe some 14 year olds act young because they are still being treated like kids

some people dont want their kids to grow up.

some may even be jealous of them if they are having sex. maybe."

Ohhh dear god what are you thinking!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"my mum was always telling me that she left home and started work when she was 14, i think maybe some 14 year olds act young because they are still being treated like kids

some people dont want their kids to grow up.

some may even be jealous of them if they are having sex. maybe.

Ohhh dear god what are you thinking!!!

maybe you should read more books.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"my mum was always telling me that she left home and started work when she was 14, i think maybe some 14 year olds act young because they are still being treated like kids

some people dont want their kids to grow up.

some may even be jealous of them if they are having sex. maybe."

I have read many of your comments over the last few months and shaken my head, but this takes it to a whole new level.

Looking after your child, and attempting to let them enjoy their childhood, rather than rush to grow up is down to jealousy???!!!!!!!!!!

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"my mum was always telling me that she left home and started work when she was 14, i think maybe some 14 year olds act young because they are still being treated like kids

some people dont want their kids to grow up.

some may even be jealous of them if they are having sex. maybe.

Ohhh dear god what are you thinking!!!

maybe you should read more books.

Maybe you should as well.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"my mum was always telling me that she left home and started work when she was 14, i think maybe some 14 year olds act young because they are still being treated like kids

some people dont want their kids to grow up.

some may even be jealous of them if they are having sex. maybe.

your right. I'm going to get my 13 year old on a dating site ready to boot out next year and stand on her own two feet the fookjng scrounger

Dont get jealous if they get more action mind

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"my mum was always telling me that she left home and started work when she was 14, i think maybe some 14 year olds act young because they are still being treated like kids

some people dont want their kids to grow up.

some may even be jealous of them if they are having sex. maybe.

I have read many of your comments over the last few months and shaken my head, but this takes it to a whole new level.

Looking after your child, and attempting to let them enjoy their childhood, rather than rush to grow up is down to jealousy???!!!!!!!!!!

i did say maybe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"With the onset of compulsory education for the 16-18 age group, do you think the govt. will want to raise the age of consent.

Perhaps we'll start seeing creches in schools

Can't see them raising the age of consent...although there are some that shouldn't be allowed to breed at all!

Childcare in schools though is probably not a bad idea though. I know a few girls that had to leave to have babies and ended up with no GCSE's because of a irresponsible mistake when they were too young to really know better. Some of the old wives tales some used to spout when I was at school were just scary!

I'm sure they all love their kids, but they were way to young to be parents

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Kids these days are more mature earlier due to exposure to tv and computer games and the internet. And if they want to have sex they will. Whether its with someone their age or older. The main thing to me is the informed consent part. As long as they agree to it and know what it is they're agreeing too, it should be ok. "

They dint mature quicker we just think they do because they are able to talk about more adult things due to the things we allow them to be exposed to. It doesn't mean they understand what they are talking about it are able to deal with the emotions that sex and babies bring.

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By *ark Gr8 Teddy BearMan
over a year ago

Wigan

Yes because adults deal with things do much better. Teenagers are more mature these days. Well more than we were. But still less than our grand and great grandparents who were adults by the time they hit their teens. And in various tribes around the world its the norm to be made an adult at 12 / 13. I know people at 14 who are more mature and emotionally stable than others I know in their 30's.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

a bit tight?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They dont all, have babies because they are having sex though, there is such a thing as birth control, they arent all stupid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"my mum was always telling me that she left home and started work when she was 14, i think maybe some 14 year olds act young because they are still being treated like kids

some people dont want their kids to grow up.

some may even be jealous of them if they are having sex. maybe.

Ohhh dear god what are you thinking!!!

maybe you should read more books.

Maybe you should as well....."

Yes, maybe you should read the ones iv read and i should read the ones you read.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I disagree. I would say they are more knowledgeable, NOT more mature.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

They dont all, have babies because they are having sex though, there is such a thing as birth control, they arent all stupid."

I'd replace "stupid" with naive.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"my mum was always telling me that she left home and started work when she was 14, i think maybe some 14 year olds act young because they are still being treated like kids

some people dont want their kids to grow up.

some may even be jealous of them if they are having sex. maybe.

Ohhh dear god what are you thinking!!!

maybe you should read more books.

Maybe you should as well.....

Yes, maybe you should read the ones iv read and i should read the ones you read.

No you are ok I am quite happy thanks....reading the books I read....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Kids are simply subjected to so much more (yes highlighted several times) but whilst they may be more worldly aware, they don't have the emotional maturity to process what they do. Its proven that teenagers brains aren't fully developed, hence their social skills aren't always great.

Sure they may have a quick physical thrill, but can they deal with how they feel about it after ? Why the big rush to make them grow up ? Innocence is a lovely trait ?

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By *eareenaCouple
over a year ago

Rockford

"i think they should lower the age of consent to 14."

Yuk

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i think they should lower the age of consent to 14.

Yuk "

Double yuk.....

My daughter is 14 and no way is that an age to be legally having sex, I find it disgusting that some people think otherwise, they are still kids!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And lowering it to 14 is just like throwing kids at peodofiles, its a peedos wet dream...makes me feel Ill.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The authorities rarely enforce it at 16, indeed how can they, so how on earth are they going to do so at 18?

If they're keeping kids on at school. or training, there is a lot to be said for standardising many things at 18, ie child priced admissions, learning to drive etc, but not for sex.

What amazes me though is how many resort to alcohol, illegally, to get over that first hurdle.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

They dont all, have babies because they are having sex though, there is such a thing as birth control, they arent all stupid."

Just like all adults aren't stupid

have you never heard that no birth control is 100% effective?? Condoms break, people forget to take pills, alcohol and other meds mess with the pill. I know a few people who had babies even though they were on birth control.

14 year olds are not emotionally mature enough to deal with sex, emotions and any repercussions of their sexual activities. And personally the thought of any adult being able to have sex with a 14 year old repulses me.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

so you're suggesting our generation was less mature than our ancestors and is less mature than our descendants? Do you realise how silly that sounds, how non-sensical?

There will always be mature and immature people of all ages in each generation. Now adulthood does start at different ages in different societies and did in different historical eras, but it doesn't guarantee maturity. Therefore laws have to protect who we deem as children in our present society. Protect them from others and perhaps even from themselves.

Now the age of compulsory education has changed, are we now deeming our dependants as minors until 18, or is extending schooling a govt ploy?

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By *andWCouple
over a year ago

Pontypridd

"my mum was always telling me that she left home and started work when she was 14, i think maybe some 14 year olds act young because they are still being treated like kids

some people dont want their kids to grow up.

some may even be jealous of them if they are having sex. maybe.

Ohhh dear god what are you thinking!!!

Honestly you think you have read it all then this???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldn't have sex with anyone below 25 in most cases. So this don't apply to me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

lower age of consent?= higher rate of dysfunctional families

I'm gonna try some maths.. 7years old..isnt that far away from toddler years really now times that by two and u have a 14year old... to me suggesting at 15 to be a mother or father really isnt addressing the problems of early teen pregnancies and the further issues of what happens to those teens who have children(above the consent age), barely time for education,not being financially stable,reliance on the state and most importantly???

its most likely they wont be in an entirely loving family life!

I dont judge too much on those not within the normal '2point4children' life(as Ive had that kind of life),but I cannot see how lowering an age of consent would be in anyway beneficial to our already bad enough problems!

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over a year ago

"I wouldn't have sex with anyone below 25 in most cases. So this don't apply to me.

Me neither. But only cos they don't let me!

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"i think they should lower the age of consent to 14.

Why?....just intrigued to know your reasons there

Ive kids and no way at 14 were they mature enough and also a lot of 16 year olds arnt mature enough i think 16 is the lowest it should be.

And im the parent of 2 kids at 16 and not a grandparent so not all kids are becoming teen parents thank god

My kids are 21, 25 and 30. The eldest is married, the other two have boyfriends and I'm not a granny!

You must have been a responsible parent and given some sound advice

And i know kids will do what they do regardless of anything a parent says at times but ive always been so open with my boys and made sure there are condoms there if they should be ready to use them."

My daughters know I was a 20 year old virgin when I married. My ex husband and I have been open with them and they asked his advice on boys.

My eldest married her third boyfriend, my middle daughter has been seeing her second boyfriend for four years. My youngest has known her boyfriend since they were 15 and 16 respectively and finally started dating (everyone knew they would apart from them) two years ago. They're both christians and "saving themselves" for marriage.

I raised my girls to respect themselves and their bodies...then did everything, and then some, I'd told them not to do!

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i think they should lower the age of consent to 14.

Physically it makes sense but psychologically it would be a disaster

You are medically wrong! There is a direct correlation between early sexual activity and incidents of cervical cancer!

Also a lot of problems during birth and with the babies as a teenage girls body is not finished growing or developed enough to carry babies safely.

I know they can but they are at higher risk of abnormalities and difficult births till fully grown...its absurd to think 14 year olds are mentally and physically old enough to be having sex...

Is it me or are the vast majority here ignoring the medical facts in order to argue their moral opinions?

And am I wrong in thinking that this debate seems to be divided for the most part on sexual lines...men wanting to lower the age when they can legally fuck girls and women wanting to protect their daughters from those creepy perverts."

Nope. Its a WOMAN that wants to lower the age. Although some numpties are agreeing with her for whatever nefarious reasons.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"my mum was always telling me that she left home and started work when she was 14, i think maybe some 14 year olds act young because they are still being treated like kids

some people dont want their kids to grow up.

some may even be jealous of them if they are having sex. maybe.

Ohhh dear god what are you thinking!!!

Honestly you think you have read it all then this???"

Forget what was said about jealousy over having sex, but I have to agree about reading about jealousies in families. Most of us are probably are aware of the Freudian terms of oedipus/Electra complex: jealousies arising within our young towards same sex parents. There's actually no reason why the reverse should not happen. I'm not talking to the Oedipus extent but more subtle, such as becoming aware of our own mortalities and limitations, whereas our mini mes have the world and a wealth of opportunities before them.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

(quote)Post 1 "i think they should lower the age of consent to 14.

Post 2 Physically it makes sense but psychologically it would be a disaster

Post 3 You are medically wrong! There is a direct correlation between early sexual activity and incidents of cervical cancer!

Post 4 Also a lot of problems during birth and with the babies as a teenage girls body is not finished growing or developed enough to carry babies safely.

Is it me or are the vast majority here ignoring the medical facts in order to argue their moral opinions?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Medical, moral, psychological, physical....just a few words that jump out at me.

I see children in my line of work who have been subjected to people who believe 14 is old enough to 'teach' them about sexual exploitation the physical way.

There is not one thing anyone can say to argue the toss here.....its WRONG!!

Let kids be kids, there's no rush to become adults and the adults who think 14 is OK need to keep away from kids.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Keep at 16 but schools and parents really need to teach children more about sex education and stds and the fall out of underage sex they have work experience in school why not get them to swap with young single parents and see how hard it is to raise children. Yes you can argue some children are more mature than others and know when it is right but they are still children. They grow up far to quickly as it is along with peer pressure. But how many people regret their first time and wish they had waited.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i think they should lower the age of consent to 14.

Why?....just intrigued to know your reasons there

Ive kids and no way at 14 were they mature enough and also a lot of 16 year olds arnt mature enough i think 16 is the lowest it should be.

And im the parent of 2 kids at 16 and not a grandparent so not all kids are becoming teen parents thank god

My kids are 21, 25 and 30. The eldest is married, the other two have boyfriends and I'm not a granny!

You must have been a responsible parent and given some sound advice

And i know kids will do what they do regardless of anything a parent says at times but ive always been so open with my boys and made sure there are condoms there if they should be ready to use them.

My daughters know I was a 20 year old virgin when I married. My ex husband and I have been open with them and they asked his advice on boys.

I raised my girls to respect themselves and their bodies...then did everything, and then some, I'd told them not to do!

Its refreshing to hear

I have nieces at 13 and 14 and its lovely that they are still very much little girls and enjoy doing normal kid stuff...they go to guides and youth group and are very much how they should be neither are in any rush to grow up and its great.

I think teaching a kid male or female to respect themself is a must for their upbringing and self esteem.

And disgusted with some of the comments made in this thread mainly by one person 14 year old should not be having sex and lowering the age range will just make it easier for child predetors its moronic and makes you question a persons sanity

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Medical, moral, psychological, physical....just a few words that jump out at me.

I see children in my line of work who have been subjected to people who believe 14 is old enough to 'teach' them about sexual exploitation the physical way.

There is not one thing anyone can say to argue the toss here.....its WRONG!!

Let kids be kids, there's no rush to become adults and the adults who think 14 is OK need to keep away from kids."

Exactly this.

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over a year ago

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By *ark Gr8 Teddy BearMan
over a year ago

Wigan

"Medical, moral, psychological, physical....just a few words that jump out at me.

I see children in my line of work who have been subjected to people who believe 14 is old enough to 'teach' them about sexual exploitation the physical way.

There is not one thing anyone can say to argue the toss here.....its WRONG!!

Let kids be kids, there's no rush to become adults and the adults who think 14 is OK need to keep away from kids."

I don't think anyone has said they want to have sex with a 14yr old. And I don't think anyone has said they want to 'Sexually exploit' anyone. And my point has always been that people are ready when they are ready and saying its at a certain age isn't correct as everyone develops mentally and physically at their own rate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Age of consent is massively different globally and in days gone by was normally a combination of life expectancy and puberty. Over the years each society has gone slightly different ways.

While it's true that the younger a female body is the more potentially harmful a birth can be, but there seems to be an assumption that lowering of the age of consent directly correlates to earlier pregnancies, wheras in countries with lower limits this is not always the case.

This is always an emotive subject which combines personal experiences (not always positive) how you were brought up, your moral compass and a variety of other factors.

Btw discussing the age of consent and agreeing with it being lowered isn't likely to "get a visit from social services".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Medical, moral, psychological, physical....just a few words that jump out at me.

I see children in my line of work who have been subjected to people who believe 14 is old enough to 'teach' them about sexual exploitation the physical way.

There is not one thing anyone can say to argue the toss here.....its WRONG!!

Let kids be kids, there's no rush to become adults and the adults who think 14 is OK need to keep away from kids.

Its at a certain age because they aren't ready BEFORE that age. They're still at SCHOOL until at least 16 ffs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So if a 10 year old thinks they are ready that's OK too??

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

"Medical, moral, psychological, physical....just a few words that jump out at me.

I see children in my line of work who have been subjected to people who believe 14 is old enough to 'teach' them about sexual exploitation the physical way.

There is not one thing anyone can say to argue the toss here.....its WRONG!!

Let kids be kids, there's no rush to become adults and the adults who think 14 is OK need to keep away from kids."

You might want to speak to the Spanish then as they have 13 as age of consent. Should they all be kept away from kids too?

No one is advocating sexual abuse, the discussion is about age of consent and should it be lowered

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Keep at 16 but schools and parents really need to teach children more about sex education and stds and the fall out of underage sex they have work experience in school why not get them to swap with young single parents and see how hard it is to raise children. Yes you can argue some children are more mature than others and know when it is right but they are still children. They grow up far to quickly as it is along with peer pressure. But how many people regret their first time and wish they had waited."

Nooo

Raise it

The law is an ass children cannot buy alcohol and cigarettes, cannot vote, now cannot leave education, cannot marry without parental consent and yet can become parents at 16+

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I work for social services and believe me if someone who is the guardian of an underage child shows any signs of letting their child have sex then it warrants a full investigation into their safety at home.

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By *ittle-Miss-MuffetCouple
over a year ago

Chester / North Wales

Isn't the age of consent 12 in the Netherlands too? And I believe they have the lowest teenage pregnancy rate in Europe. Lowering the age of consent doesn't mean teens will have more sex (if they would pay attention to the law anyway?!) but it DOES mean they would be able to get more information and protect themselves better should sex be something they are thinking about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Medical, moral, psychological, physical....just a few words that jump out at me.

I see children in my line of work who have been subjected to people who believe 14 is old enough to 'teach' them about sexual exploitation the physical way.

There is not one thing anyone can say to argue the toss here.....its WRONG!!

Let kids be kids, there's no rush to become adults and the adults who think 14 is OK need to keep away from kids.

You might want to speak to the Spanish then as they have 13 as age of consent. Should they all be kept away from kids too?

No one is advocating sexual abuse, the discussion is about age of consent and should it be lowered"

Sorry. But Spain are raising it to 16 for, and i quote, "to fight the ongoing child abuse and bring it in line with our european neighbours". So, that answers the abuse part eh!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

From what I have witnessed I just believe that lowering the consent is a playground for peodophiles to have more of a chance to get away with anything they want to do.

Glad I'm not In France then.

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By *ark Gr8 Teddy BearMan
over a year ago

Wigan

NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT RAPE its about informed consent and if the age of consent is correct for todays life. No one is saying that this is about if someone can has sex with a minor but whether that minor should be allowed to make up their own mind. They can say no. No one on here will agree with rape or probably even sex at all with a minor. Were just trying to discuss the age of consent and its turned into a silly argument. I've said my piece. Some might agree some might not. But I don't want sex with a 14yr old.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nooo

Raise it

The law is an ass children cannot buy alcohol and cigarettes, cannot vote, now cannot leave education, cannot marry without parental consent and yet can become parents at 16+"

16, 17, 18 but keep same age for straight and gay. At 16 can buy a lottery ticket, yes stay in education but at 16 there is a choice whether its stay on at school, college or apprentaships. But before they start having sex it should be legal to talk to the doctor and have to use contraception the two should go hand in hand x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I work for social services and believe me if someone who is the guardian of an underage child shows any signs of letting their child have sex then it warrants a full investigation into their safety at home."

The guardian or parent?

Discussing it

Or believing it should be lowered wouldn't trigger an investigation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And lowering it to 14 is just like throwing kids at peodofiles, its a peedos wet dream...makes me feel Ill....."

problem is if they lowered the age to 14 full grown men who prey on young teenage girls would no longer be peodofiles

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Medical, moral, psychological, physical....just a few words that jump out at me.

I see children in my line of work who have been subjected to people who believe 14 is old enough to 'teach' them about sexual exploitation the physical way.

There is not one thing anyone can say to argue the toss here.....its WRONG!!

Let kids be kids, there's no rush to become adults and the adults who think 14 is OK need to keep away from kids.

You might want to speak to the Spanish then as they have 13 as age of consent. Should they all be kept away from kids too?

No one is advocating sexual abuse, the discussion is about age of consent and should it be lowered

Sorry. But Spain are raising it to 16 for, and i quote, "to fight the ongoing child abuse and bring it in line with our european neighbours". So, that answers the abuse part eh!"

And raising it to 16 will prevent abuse the way it has here?

The age of consent has bugger all to do with abuse, abuse is about non-consensual relations not consensual

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

I dunno how a parent or guardian can stop an underage child from having sex if s/he decides to do so - other than locking them up 24x7.

I suspect that'd attract the attention of social services too.

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By *ark Gr8 Teddy BearMan
over a year ago

Wigan

"Isn't the age of consent 12 in the Netherlands too? And I believe they have the lowest teenage pregnancy rate in Europe. Lowering the age of consent doesn't mean teens will have more sex (if they would pay attention to the law anyway?!) but it DOES mean they would be able to get more information and protect themselves better should sex be something they are thinking about."

well said. Education is the key. Informed consent and access to contraception.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

sorry but legal or not 12 is just a child, most girls havnt even started their period at 12 and are just developing, lots of 12 year old girl still have a child's body, I don't care who I offend saying this but legal or not any man who have sex with a 12 year old has serious problems

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And lowering it to 14 is just like throwing kids at peodofiles, its a peedos wet dream...makes me feel Ill.....

problem is if they lowered the age to 14 full grown men who prey on young teenage girls would no longer be peodofiles

In Malta age of consent is 18 so technically grown men having sex with a 16 year old would be paedophiles.

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By *ark Gr8 Teddy BearMan
over a year ago

Wigan

"And lowering it to 14 is just like throwing kids at peodofiles, its a peedos wet dream...makes me feel Ill.....

problem is if they lowered the age to 14 full grown men who prey on young teenage girls would no longer be peodofiles

its not just men who are paedophiles. The amount of women being arrested for it is rising.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well said. Education is the key. Informed consent and access to contraception. "

Ah but law in the Netherlands is different people walk down the red light district with out bating an eye lid and the good old happy cakes would hate to see a 12 year old in a shop window x

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By *livia_KWoman
over a year ago

South London

Some countries that have a lower age of consent at say, for example 14, but they can only legally have sex with someone no more than 2 years older than them. So a 14 year old could legally have sex with a 16 year old, but not a 20 year old. I think this may be in the Netherlands or Germany or something. The exact countries escape me. I remember looking it up once.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT RAPE its about informed consent and if the age of consent is correct for todays life. No one is saying that this is about if someone can has sex with a minor but whether that minor should be allowed to make up their own mind. They can say no. No one on here will agree with rape or probably even sex at all with a minor. Were just trying to discuss the age of consent and its turned into a silly argument. I've said my piece. Some might agree some might not. But I don't want sex with a 14yr old. "

Yes but how many 14 year olds truely know their own mind?

Yes some might seem mature but are they really mature enough to deal with it,and the rape thing i think people are saying is it will make it easier for the scum of this world to prey on kids.

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By *ark Gr8 Teddy BearMan
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No one said rape.....but if a guy has sex with a 14 year old just because she says she feels up to it then he's going to manipulate her and its still abuse. But he has a better chance of getting away with it because its legal.

Parent or guardian, makes no difference, anyone who is the care giver to the underage child can be investigated if they show any signs of promoting underage sex. Its a fact and I've seen it for myself on more than one occasion.

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By *eareenaCouple
over a year ago

Rockford

well said. Education is the key. Informed consent and access to contraception. "

fuck that. .. some 14 year old just simply are not mature enough... no education will protect them from sexual experience from a predator who will then be protected by law

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By *ark Gr8 Teddy BearMan
over a year ago

Wigan

again its not just men who prey on children. The amount of women being arrested for it is rising.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And lowering it to 14 is just like throwing kids at peodofiles, its a peedos wet dream...makes me feel Ill.....

problem is if they lowered the age to 14 full grown men who prey on young teenage girls would no longer be peodofiles

In Malta age of consent is 18 so technically grown men having sex with a 16 year old would be paedophiles.

don't shag 16 years olds in malta then

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By *ark Gr8 Teddy BearMan
over a year ago

Wigan

"No one said rape.....but if a guy has sex with a 14 year old just because she says she feels up to it then he's going to manipulate her and its still abuse. But he has a better chance of getting away with it because its legal.

again its not just men.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

It's 16 in the Netherlands I believe.

And although it is 13 in Spain it isn't that straightforward, it is still illegal for a non minor to have sex with a minor,.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Very true about women, not just women abusers but women who turn a blind eye to abusers.

They are all sick

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

again its not just men who prey on children. The amount of women being arrested for it is rising."

I don't care what sex they are, I just used girls as an example because this debate started over talking about girls

a 12 year old boy is still a child too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why does everyone assume that lowering the age of consent will lead to a massive surge of old men having sex with 14 year olds. Is there any evidence that there are loads of old men having sex with 16 year olds?

Age of consent is emotive and sadly there's not much evidence backing anyone's personal view of what the age should be. So what it becomes is just a personal view.

I'd be interested to see how many people here claim 14 is too low who were also claiming the killers of James Bulger should be "hung drawn and quartered"?

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By *ark Gr8 Teddy BearMan
over a year ago

Wigan

"Very true about women, not just women abusers but women who turn a blind eye to abusers.

They are all sick"

Thank you. They are. Women and men.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Another idea no girl or boy should be pressured into having sex when they are not ready for it through peer pressure just because their friend does it does not mean they have to do it more young people should be able to say no without the fear of rejection from their peers. Take the stigma away.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In a 'work' frame of mind..I have seen too many horror stories involving kids (mostly girls) aged between 14-16.

In a 'Mam' frame of mind I have a 14 year old daughter and some peoples opinions scare the shit out of me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's not what you originally claimed. Read your first post on this, you stayed they only had to believe it or write it down and they'd be investigated. I disagree, however I do agree that if you actively encourage it you'll do more than be investigated by the social services but might find yourself being investigated by the police.

A discussion of beliefs on the subject is unlikely to trigger an investigation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

FFS. My boy wants the latest games for his x-box because his mates have them. And now you want to add to that by wanting him to have sex "because jimmys done it so i want to do it"! Get a grip!

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By *ark Gr8 Teddy BearMan
over a year ago

Wigan

"Another idea no girl or boy should be pressured into having sex when they are not ready for it through peer pressure just because their friend does it does not mean they have to do it more young people should be able to say no without the fear of rejection from their peers. Take the stigma away."

well said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In a 'work' frame of mind..I have seen too many horror stories involving kids (mostly girls) aged between 14-16.

In a 'Mam' frame of mind I have a 14 year old daughter and some peoples opinions scare the shit out of me."

As have I, and the age of consent was irrelevant in all of those cases.

Lack of Edication, lack of support, lack of protection, lack of self all were more important than age of consent.

I have a 12 year old daughter and people's opinions have always scared me. However, the age of consent will (I'm hoping) be irrelevant in my daughters choice of when she has sex, she's a strong Independant girl who understands her own worth in the world. She has her mother to thank for that not the law.

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By *ark Gr8 Teddy BearMan
over a year ago

Wigan

FFS. My boy wants the latest games for his x-box because his mates have them. And now you want to add to that by wanting him to have sex "because jimmys done it so i want to do it"! Get a grip!"

ermmm NO .and I've not said that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it a bit like speed limits. 30, 40, 50 and so on. People see it as a target and drive at that speed at least.

To many of todays yoof, the age of consent seems to be a deadline for when you should have "lost it"? Peer pressure maybe.

So why not increase it to 18 and give them some breathing space? It's not as though its generally enforceable any way.

Don't get me started on "womens magazines" aimed at young teens on "how to give the perfect blowjob" and such like.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well said. Education is the key. Informed consent and access to contraception. "

Information and contraception is available to under 16's from family planning and Brook clinics and has been since I was a teenager. However education in schools is minimal so kids can get access to condoms but often have no idea how to use them correctly (unless I'm getting it wrong and you do actually put them over your head and blow them up?!). Those who are mature enough to go to these clinics rarely end up pregnant or catching STI's ...the issue is that there are so many that aren't mature enough to discuss sex and they are the ones that end up in 'trouble'.

I was 18 before I lost my virginity...I was the only one of my group of friends from my teens who was still a virgin after the age of 16, and I'm the only one who has no regrets.

I don't think the age of consent should be lowered because I think it gives those who aren't ready to have sex a bit of protection from those who would prey on the naivety of children. Although I'm not clear on the rules for statutory rape if both parties are below the age of consent...that's where I can see a possible grey area with the age of consent issue.

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over a year ago

Believe me it can. Actively promoting it is a no brainer, your kids can be taken away. Any kind of proof (speech or in writing) of believing your 14 year old is ready for sex can warrant an investigation. Most investigations get thrown out the water but a complaint has to be followed up with proof.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

FFS. My boy wants the latest games for his x-box because his mates have them. And now you want to add to that by wanting him to have sex "because jimmys done it so i want to do it"! Get a grip!

ermmm NO .and I've not said that"

Thats EXACTLY what your saying by saying lower the age limit!

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By *upitersmileCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

"my mum was always telling me that she left home and started work when she was 14, i think maybe some 14 year olds act young because they are still being treated like kids

some people dont want their kids to grow up.

some may even be jealous of them if they are having sex. maybe.

Jealous of their own kids your off your rocker,im sure no other sane person would be jealous of their 14 year old having sex im sure they would be horified not jealous "

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By *ark Gr8 Teddy BearMan
over a year ago

Wigan

FFS. My boy wants the latest games for his x-box because his mates have them. And now you want to add to that by wanting him to have sex "because jimmys done it so i want to do it"! Get a grip!

ermmm NO .and I've not said that

Thats EXACTLY what your saying by saying lower the age limit! "

I haven't said lower it. Where have I said it should be. Show me. I don't personally agree with kids having sex but it happens. Fact. What I've said is "is the age of consent appropriate to today's youth" and that I think sex education should be given more importance in schools. Now where am I wrong in what ive said. Or are you wrong with your assumption.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i think they should lower the age of consent to 14.

Why?

That'd be a recipe for disaster.

BTW. The age of consent in the Vatican City is 12."

They copied Italy when they made that rule. Only Italy had the sense to increase it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Believe me it can. Actively promoting it is a no brainer, your kids can be taken away. Any kind of proof (speech or in writing) of believing your 14 year old is ready for sex can warrant an investigation. Most investigations get thrown out the water but a complaint has to be followed up with proof."

"your kids can be taken away."

Don't you just love our superb, know what we're doing and get it right everytime Social Services.

There's more chance of the age of consent being raised to 99 before that happens.

Anyone else recall a newspaper, Derby way, publishing an article of a PROUD mother (now grandma) showing off her :

16yo daughter with her new baby

14yo sister, with her new baby

12yo sister, with her new baby?

Yo ho, SS, a good case for you there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

FFS. My boy wants the latest games for his x-box because his mates have them. And now you want to add to that by wanting him to have sex "because jimmys done it so i want to do it"! Get a grip!

ermmm NO .and I've not said that

Thats EXACTLY what your saying by saying lower the age limit!

Aaaah. You dn't want the age lowered but just make it ok for a minor to consent! Well, tickle me pink. Whats the difference then?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

That's a lot of Child Benefit,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let's not get personnel here. I didn't say SS did everything right. I'm the first person to say they don't. I sleep well at night knowing I help a lot of vulnerable people daily. I don't need pulling down thanks.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

The SS sounds about right.

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By *ark Gr8 Teddy BearMan
over a year ago

Wigan

FFS. My boy wants the latest games for his x-box because his mates have them. And now you want to add to that by wanting him to have sex "because jimmys done it so i want to do it"! Get a grip!

ermmm NO .and I've not said that

Thats EXACTLY what your saying by saying lower the age limit!

Aaaah. You dn't want the age lowered but just make it ok for a minor to consent! Well, tickle me pink. Whats the difference then?"

stop making an ass of yourself by assuming you understand what I mean. I just want kids to be educated about sex and sexuality and when it comes time for them they make an informed decision and consent. Not get raped because they don't know better and just guess its time or just think they should.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One thing that puzzles me about the age of consent and the law ( 2003 Sexual Offences Act i think)

Two young people above the age of consent have consensual sex. All perfectly fine and legit. Yet, if they record it their phone and send each other the images, it becomes an offence.

How does that work?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Let's not get personnel here. I didn't say SS did everything right. I'm the first person to say they don't. I sleep well at night knowing I help a lot of vulnerable people daily. I don't need pulling down thanks."

Nobody's being personal here.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Social services do what they can with the ever decreasing budget....central government have crippled many local authorities with budget cuts and social services being one of them...they can't help every child due to red tape and there have been some huge failings....

No child at 14 is ready for sex emotionally or physically they are just children...what disturbs me are some of the comments on this thread....I really am amazed at them....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nobody's being personal here. "

I don't know, telling someone to stop being an ass is getting quite personal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Social services do what they can with the ever decreasing budget....central government have crippled many local authorities with budget cuts and social services being one of them...they can't help every child due to red tape and there have been some huge failings....

No child at 14 is ready for sex emotionally or physically they are just children...what disturbs me are some of the comments on this thread....I really am amazed at them...."

Exactly that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

opps sorry to stop making an ass of oneself, I best correct that before I get cyber attacked for miss quoting

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By *ark Gr8 Teddy BearMan
over a year ago

Wigan

Nobody's being personal here.

I don't know, telling someone to stop being an ass is getting quite personal

so is insinuating they want to have sex with a minor.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No child at 14 is ready for sex emotionally or physically they are just children...what disturbs me are some of the comments on this thread....I really am amazed at them...."

Ok,

I'm not disagreeing with what you say and quite frankly I myself wasn't ready for sex long after that point. But, why then do differing countries have different views on the age at which people are "just children" ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"With the onset of compulsory education for the 16-18 age group, do you think the govt. will want to raise the age of consent.

Perhaps we'll start seeing creches in schools

some schools already have creches, due to teen age pregnancies being high in some areas.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

FFS. My boy wants the latest games for his x-box because his mates have them. And now you want to add to that by wanting him to have sex "because jimmys done it so i want to do it"! Get a grip!

ermmm NO .and I've not said that

Thats EXACTLY what your saying by saying lower the age limit!

Aaaah. You dn't want the age lowered but just make it ok for a minor to consent! Well, tickle me pink. Whats the difference then?

I'm not assuming to understand what it is your trying to say. Because tbh i've not a fucking clue what your saying as you seem to backtrack every now and again. Your saying that minors should have the choice of saying no to sex, (as quoted above), i'm saying they shouldn't have to have that choice because they AREN'T READY TO! Now. Where am i trying to assume anything in that statement?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Social Services do "what they do", too many agendas. If they did it accurately and honestly from the start they'd likely find their workload much reduced and much less problems caused.

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By *ark Gr8 Teddy BearMan
over a year ago

Wigan

"With the onset of compulsory education for the 16-18 age group, do you think the govt. will want to raise the age of consent.

Perhaps we'll start seeing creches in schools

some schools already have creches, due to teen age pregnancies being high in some areas."

and its been proved in other countries that sexual education started earlier in life helps lower rates of teenage pregnancy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No child at 14 is ready for sex emotionally or physically they are just children...what disturbs me are some of the comments on this thread....I really am amazed at them...."

I agree, some times the police let criminals walk free, sometime social services miss abuse, none of us are perfect and until we are we shouldn't be so hard on others

having a job title don't make anyone super human

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"......

No child at 14 is ready for sex emotionally or physically they are just children...what disturbs me are some of the comments on this thread....I really am amazed at them...."

I think we can all agree about that. The question remains ' is it sensible to condemn her mother 'cos she provides contraception to a 14 year old who's going to have sex anyway'?

Does that justify bringing the mum to the attention of the authorities

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So in what way does it help any parent/child when the law has determined that NO parent has a right to know if a school is providing contraception to a child under the age of consent.

It just isn't joined up thinking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some countries, religions and cultures think its OK to do many things I don't agree with (arranged marriages, late term abortions, sex at 12!) We as a country are far to educated (most of us) to agree just because they think its acceptable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"......

No child at 14 is ready for sex emotionally or physically they are just children...what disturbs me are some of the comments on this thread....I really am amazed at them....

I think we can all agree about that. The question remains ' is it sensible to condemn her mother 'cos she provides contraception to a 14 year old who's going to have sex anyway'?

Does that justify bringing the mum to the attention of the authorities "

family planning will provide condoms to 14 year olds, my friends daughter had the implant put in at 15 without her mothers knowledge

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Social Services do "what they do", too many agendas. If they did it accurately and honestly from the start they'd likely find their workload much reduced and much less problems caused.

I don't think that is the case...if you see how many cases a social worker has...it's not down to social services agenda or their accuracy. it's down to the individuals that abuse or neglect the children in the first place..who cause a burden of the resources on social services

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By *ark Gr8 Teddy BearMan
over a year ago

Wigan

FFS. My boy wants the latest games for his x-box because his mates have them. And now you want to add to that by wanting him to have sex "because jimmys done it so i want to do it"! Get a grip!

ermmm NO .and I've not said that

Thats EXACTLY what your saying by saying lower the age limit!

Aaaah. You dn't want the age lowered but just make it ok for a minor to consent! Well, tickle me pink. Whats the difference then?

they will always have a choice thats the point. Unless chastity belts are made legal again or we're talking about rape. Informed consent. Them saying am I ready and saying yes or no and knowing what the outcomes can be for that decision. You have to be crazy to think that by raising or lowering the age of consent things will change. Kids need better sex education.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Some countries, religions and cultures think its OK to do many things I don't agree with (arranged marriages, late term abortions, sex at 12!) We as a country are far to educated (most of us) to agree just because they think its acceptable."

and some countries would say the same About sex at 17 as

Well

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

why dont we just keep it the way it is?- its not perfect, its not going to get better or worse..it already reflects the youth of todays normal lifestyles.Perhaps in 10-15 years they will be the ones to change it...

lowering is a great no

raising it will also cost millions of pounds also..

I dont believe the raising of the mandatory school age is the best thing either..as I do believe 16yr olds are at the stage of early adulthood that they should be allowed to make choices, ie college,apprenticeships etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Age of consent should be 21, under that, it must be of similar age.

This to prevent predatory sex by males and females on impressionable young males and females

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By *inky BunnyMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Age of consent should be 21, under that, it must be of similar age.

This to prevent predatory sex by males and females on impressionable young males and females"

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

FFS. My boy wants the latest games for his x-box because his mates have them. And now you want to add to that by wanting him to have sex "because jimmys done it so i want to do it"! Get a grip!

ermmm NO .and I've not said that

Thats EXACTLY what your saying by saying lower the age limit!

Aaaah. You dn't want the age lowered but just make it ok for a minor to consent! Well, tickle me pink. Whats the difference then?

Sex education here has got 100 times better then when I was at school...I don't think it's the children that need better sex education I think it's the parents that need it more...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"it doesnt matte what the age of consent is as it seems quite clear that kids will do what they want anyway and have sex and babies when they are still children themselves.

i watched a programme nce where it was a 13 year olds dream to become a teenage mum.

maybe we need to go back to the days where underage pregnancy was something to be ashamed of?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"......

No child at 14 is ready for sex emotionally or physically they are just children...what disturbs me are some of the comments on this thread....I really am amazed at them....

I think we can all agree about that. The question remains ' is it sensible to condemn her mother 'cos she provides contraception to a 14 year old who's going to have sex anyway'?

Does that justify bringing the mum to the attention of the authorities

family planning will provide condoms to 14 year olds, my friends daughter had the implant put in at 15 without her mothers knowledge "

Well, isnt that in a way promoting, certainly condoning such "illegal" behaviour. Off to the SS with them.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"......

No child at 14 is ready for sex emotionally or physically they are just children...what disturbs me are some of the comments on this thread....I really am amazed at them....

I think we can all agree about that. The question remains ' is it sensible to condemn her mother 'cos she provides contraception to a 14 year old who's going to have sex anyway'?

Does that justify bringing the mum to the attention of the authorities

family planning will provide condoms to 14 year olds, my friends daughter had the implant put in at 15 without her mothers knowledge "

Wouldn't it be better getting that support via her mum?

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By *eryBigGirlWoman
over a year ago

East Yorkshire

"i think they should lower the age of consent to 14.

Why?

That'd be a recipe for disaster.

BTW. The age of consent in the Vatican City is 12.

I wonder why.....

Before the choirs voices break? For God's sake it's been RAISED TO 18"

Not legally it hasn't yet it's still going through!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

So in what way does it help any parent/child when the law has determined that NO parent has a right to know if a school is providing contraception to a child under the age of consent.

It just isn't joined up thinking. "

I think you are wrong in this. There has been a fairly recent overhaul of sex education in England in the curriculum right from primary school age. Schools notify parents of the curriculum and parents have the right to object.

There was also notification of when the kids were given condom cards. Those admitting to sexual activity ended up getting more condom packages than those not.

My daughter and I even joked they'd be more use to me.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Why does everyone assume that lowering the age of consent will lead to a massive surge of old men having sex with 14 year olds. Is there any evidence that there are loads of old men having sex with 16 year olds? "

I think your logic is twisted!

You ask why we think reducing the age of consent will lead "to a massive surge of old men having sex with 14 year olds". Its not that we think it will lead to anything. It's that it will make it legal for perverts like the gang in Rochadale to target 14 year olds! Do you think that their behavior should be legal?

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