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Should "Fat-ism" be made illegal?

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By *i 1 Get 1 Free OP   Couple (MM)
over a year ago

birmingham

According to a report in a national newspaper, some fat people claim they're to fat to work, now, whilst I agree some levels of obesity are medically related not all cases are.

Some campaigners are now asking for legislation, claiming “Fat-ism” should be made illegal.

I have mixed feelings on this, since when has it been compulsory to get fat? However, it seems unfair to label all fat people with the those who are to lazy to get off their fat bum.

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By *aughty_kittyWoman
over a year ago

finger licking good

ban bugers!!!!!!

ooopsy off i run

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"ban bugers!!!!!!

ooopsy off i run"

To McDonalds

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It has already been suggested that peeps should be charged more for weight related illness/conditions, as it is "largely" a life style related issues!

Where does it stop???

Charge peeps for broken ankles due to wearing excessively high shoes?

Or car accident due to excessive speed?

I could go on!

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

oh ive heard everything now...are we gonna be made to like everybody ffs how bloody boring

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By *i 1 Get 1 Free OP   Couple (MM)
over a year ago

birmingham


"oh ive heard everything now...are we gonna be made to like everybody ffs how bloody boring "

I like you & Pearly as you are!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I like you & Pearly as you are!! "

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Awwww, thank you!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought this thread did not belong to Swingers Chat!

Thanks to whoever is the mod that has moved it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought i had gone all funny then...

Just read it in swingers chat and come back on here and poof......it appears

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Obeses people should be made to sweat for their benefits

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who gets fooking benefits

not me.

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By *i 1 Get 1 Free OP   Couple (MM)
over a year ago

birmingham


"I thought this thread did not belong to Swingers Chat!"

Strange things happen with no explanation you know


"Thanks to whoever is the mod that has moved it! "

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By *i 1 Get 1 Free OP   Couple (MM)
over a year ago

birmingham


"Obeses people should be made to sweat for their benefits "

And what would you say to those who are clinically obese through a medical condition?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'll go and have some food to cheer me up!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

a whole host of discussions in this one

Obese people with self inflicted obesity as opposed to medically/hereditary obesity made to pay

Where does it stop - not at sport related injuries surely ? broken ankle whilst playing football on the local park last sunday, fell of your bike on whilst mountain biking ?

Car accidents ? perhaps the insurance company could pay the medical bills in the same way they pay for the car repairs as they do in other countries ?

In Switzerland house insurance pays for the Police attendance and administrative costs, car insurance pays for the repairs not only to the car but any public roads damaged like bridges or telegraph poles, they also pay for any Police attendance costs admin charges and medical costs including ambulance charges

Some might argue that obese people do get extra benefits in the form of medical costs.

Me I think things are just fine the way they are and individuals shouldn't be "witch hunted"

Where does it stop - d*unks, alcoholics, binge drinkers increased medical bills and police time ?

What about NHS glasses for people who have ruined thier eyesight straining to see forum posts ?

Impaired hearing because you went to too many nightclubs or enjoy watching motor cycle events ?

indeed where do you draw the line

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you are denied employment purely because you are overweight, then yes it should be made illegal.

If you cant adopt a child purely because you are overweight, then yes it should be illegal.

Any discrimination should be so.

If on the other hand you are denied these things because of the safety aspects of the job or ability to do it, then thats not discrimination etc.

Gays have rights, the disabled have rights,

We all have the right to live and work without discrimination regardless of size , creed or colour.

And that goes for those of an obese nature.

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By *aughty_kittyWoman
over a year ago

finger licking good

kitty be good ffs be good be good NO kitty be good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"kitty be good ffs be good be good NO kitty be good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

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Resist the temptation to bite!

Resist the temptation to bite!

Resist the temptation to bite!

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By *i 1 Get 1 Free OP   Couple (MM)
over a year ago

birmingham


"indeed where do you draw the line"

Obesity due to an illness is very different from obesity due to greed, pity some in society don't know the difference

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By *aughty_kittyWoman
over a year ago

finger licking good

omg this is so hard

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Well apart from medical conditions if someone gets so fat they cant work then there too fat to go and sign on. Yes im a fat person but it doesnt intefer with my life. Thats when its time to go on a diet

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By *aughty_kittyWoman
over a year ago

finger licking good


"Well apart from medical conditions if someone gets so fat they cant work then there too fat to go and sign on. Yes im a fat person but it doesnt intefer with my life. Thats when its time to go on a diet"

i saw u baby did not stop u doing NOTHING xxxxxxxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Social Services in Dundee took away the kids of obese parents because they were getting fed unhealthily and their own weight was becoming a concern for the social work department.

What next, taking away the young kids who smoke as their parents also smoke and its becoming bad for their health??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just find discrimination in ANY form distasteful.

Ask a child who is overweight how they feel bieng discriminated / bullied at school....

Seeing the hurt and drying their tears.

Or the lady i once helped after she was verbally and physically abused by a gang of arseholes in the town centre.

She had been kicked and punched balck and blue merely because of her weight.

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By *i 1 Get 1 Free OP   Couple (MM)
over a year ago

birmingham


"Social Services in Dundee took away the kids of obese parents because they were getting fed unhealthily and their own weight was becoming a concern for the social work department.

What next, taking away the young kids who smoke as their parents also smoke and its becoming bad for their health??

"

I'm confused, are you in favour of fat people or against, because you posted this earlier in the thread:


"Obeses people should be made to sweat for their benefits "

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By *i 1 Get 1 Free OP   Couple (MM)
over a year ago

birmingham

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Social Services in Dundee took away the kids of obese parents because they were getting fed unhealthily and their own weight was becoming a concern for the social work department.

What next, taking away the young kids who smoke as their parents also smoke and its becoming bad for their health??

I'm confused, are you in favour of fat people or against, because you posted this earlier in the thread:

Obeses people should be made to sweat for their benefits "

I like to confuse people.

Also i am a wind up merchant

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

oh eck.............wot chance do i hav?????? overweight and disabled.....fook someone pass me a gun lol lorr xxxxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I find hanging out in a spud u like gets me offers of employment...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Social Services in Dundee took away the kids of obese parents because they were getting fed unhealthily and their own weight was becoming a concern for the social work department.

What next, taking away the young kids who smoke as their parents also smoke and its becoming bad for their health??

"

Feeding your child to the point of putting thier life in danger is something Social Services have a duty to prevent, it is no different to beating them to death.

Not all parents of obese children are themselves obese.

Sometimes a child will be obese for medical reasons, but if it is neglect on the part of the parents, dietry neglect, idle neglect in providing the right type of food, guidance with regard to excericse neglect then Social Services should do something about it.

As someone said, these children are being put into a position where they will be bullied, they will be verbally abused, they will die early, they will have medical problems - that is parential abuse in my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah i kind of agree with the OP, you can now claim disability if your to fat to work, its a joke, personally i feel that if your trying to claim money for your weight problem you should have to take a medical and if theres no reason at all why you are that size, apart from the fact you eat to much then you should'nt get special treatment, i actually find it insulting to people with real disabilities who have to fight tooth and nail to get help, and then you can sit on your arse all day and get paid for it because you eat to much and to lazy to do anything about it!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Obeses people should be made to sweat for their benefits

And what would you say to those who are clinically obese through a medical condition? "

the percentage of obese people who are that size due to medical reasons is actually very low, the vast majority of over weight people are so because they choose to be, its just that most dont want to admit to others that they are obese because they eat to much so they make up excuses like its the medication they are on etc

I myself have weight over 20 stone in the past and i was as guilty of that as anyone else, because its hard to face the fact that you have dont this to yourself, but the simple fact is probably about 95% of the uk population could loose the weight IF they really wanted to, i did it so anyone can

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

have to agree that those who claim disability benefits on the grounds of being overweight make a mockery of the benefits system

i worked on a disability helpline and the pain and suffering some people go through daily just isnt worth thinking about - to equate being fat with that is disrespectful.

having said that - once a person is vastly overweight it is often hard for them to lose weight. be it hard to get about and so hard to exercise, the need for re-education in healthy lifestyle choices etc and so to class them as lazy would perhaps be unfair

i however am a lazy lard arse and the only exercise i like is sexercise

but i do work full time and pay my contributions

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

just as a matter of interest could someone explain to me on what medical grounds does one gets fat.

I mean a normal healthy person who has all the same choices as you and me...

Then has a medical complaint that makes them fat !!!!

I am not taking the piss but would really like to know.

I was a fat person once but chose to be that way.

I am no longer fat but chose to be that way.!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am fat cos I over ate when I was a teenager I am adult enough to admit it Im not fat cos of my medical condition nor is my condition made worse by me being fat, it also will not get better if (and thats a huge big fat my arse sized if lol) I lose my extra weight - I have been told this by plastic surgeons, and consultant dermatologists.

But I still try to do as much for myself as I can and not allow my condition to rule my life any more than it already does

However I personally know 2 people who have disregarded doctors advice and not helped themselves get disability living allowance, mainly cos they are too fat to look after themselves!!!!

Both were offered operations to fix the underlying medical problem both turned them down saying if the problem was fixed then they wouldnt be able to claim the DLA

I personally think both should have been made to pay back every penny they have received since turning down the operations, on the basis that they refused doctors treatment and knowingly chose to ignore medical advice.

I may complain about not getting help when I need it but thats cos I have to jump thru so many hoops to get the help I need because so many before me have wrongly claimed for things they dont need or deserve.

Shona

x x x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"According to a report in a national newspaper, some fat people claim they're to fat to work, now, whilst I agree some levels of obesity are medically related not all cases are.

Some campaigners are now asking for legislation, claiming “Fat-ism” should be made illegal.

I have mixed feelings on this, since when has it been compulsory to get fat? However, it seems unfair to label all fat people with the those who are to lazy to get off their fat bum."

Since when has it been compulsory to be gay?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"just as a matter of interest could someone explain to me on what medical grounds does one gets fat.

I mean a normal healthy person who has all the same choices as you and me...

Then has a medical complaint that makes them fat !!!!

I am not taking the piss but would really like to know.

I was a fat person once but chose to be that way.

I am no longer fat but chose to be that way.!!!!"

There are a number of medical conditions that cause people to put on weight and a number of medications that have the same effect.

that said they are also well documented and a good Dr should be able to help you control weight gain and effective medication management may help lower the risk of putting on weight

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"just as a matter of interest could someone explain to me on what medical grounds does one gets fat.

I mean a normal healthy person who has all the same choices as you and me...

Then has a medical complaint that makes them fat !!!!

I am not taking the piss but would really like to know.

I was a fat person once but chose to be that way.

I am no longer fat but chose to be that way.!!!!"

Well .if said person was knocked down and couldnt move etc. they MAY put weight on.

If said person had a crippling illness which meant they couldnt exercise,or move about as much. they MAY put weight on.

There are many differing factors.

And yes , some drugs taken do put weight on.

Steroids for example.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Social Services in Dundee took away the kids of obese parents because they were getting fed unhealthily and their own weight was becoming a concern for the social work department."

I know a family where the mother does not cook meals she phones the local take away to get pizzas and chips delivered almost every night for her 2 kids

neither of the boys are fat nor is the mother but I feel she is just as wrong as the case mentioned above.

I am fat my kids and husband arent.

However I was once told my eldest was fat - cos the health visitor who did the weight didnt think to measure how tall my daughter was. Once her height was taken into consideration hey presto she was well within the "normal" range for her age

I know what made me fat so I make sure my kids eat as healthily as they can but still allow treats and they get plenty exersize - infact it has come to the point with my 11 year old I hardly see her cos she is always out with her mates on their bikes makes for a quiet life I can tell you

Shona

x x x

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By *i 1 Get 1 Free OP   Couple (MM)
over a year ago

birmingham


"According to a report in a national newspaper, some fat people claim they're to fat to work, now, whilst I agree some levels of obesity are medically related not all cases are.

Some campaigners are now asking for legislation, claiming “Fat-ism” should be made illegal.

I have mixed feelings on this, since when has it been compulsory to get fat? However, it seems unfair to label all fat people with the those who are to lazy to get off their fat bum.

Since when has it been compulsory to be gay? "

Homosexuality is not a choice!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love my food, and do not exercise enough to burn away the calories that I consume, hence I am the way I am, fat!

However, I am 45, not on any medication for anything, and consider myself as being in good health, except for the extra pounds that I carry!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"According to a report in a national newspaper, some fat people claim they're to fat to work, now, whilst I agree some levels of obesity are medically related not all cases are.

Some campaigners are now asking for legislation, claiming “Fat-ism” should be made illegal.

I have mixed feelings on this, since when has it been compulsory to get fat? However, it seems unfair to label all fat people with the those who are to lazy to get off their fat bum.

Since when has it been compulsory to be gay? "

being gay is not a choice tho is it? you dont choose your sexuality, for most over weight people it is, wether they choose to admit its their fault they are fat or not is irrelevant, the fact is most obese people are so because of their life style there for its is their choice and if they choose to be abese then they shouldnt get any help money wise, and should be made to loose weight so they can work like the rest of us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

dont think its right at all to hold any form of discrimintaion . so maybe they should get some protectrion against abuse same as anyone else . however i do think that maybe education is the key and help with strings attached perhaps . such as we will help but you have got to help yourself , simple things like maybe for example the family in dundee going a walk twice a week , maybe get the kids on a bike etc , if they refused help and education then maybe they should have benefits cut ? im not saying all "over weight" people are like this , indeed i used to be a wee bit chunkier shall we say but its an easy thing to change if your willing to put the work in .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ok im on a diet!!! now shuddup

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By (user no longer on site)
Forum Mod
over a year ago

The reason the majority of people are obese is because they eat too much and don't do enough exercise,then they get further medical complications from being overweight which can make it more difficult to get up and do something about it

Some people have certain conditions that will put weight on them and they should be monitored by their GPs if this is drug related

Basically we are have become lazy arse nation that eats too much and its been coming a long time now and will take many years to put right

Now we're going to make fatism illegal? maybe we should be doing a bit more to educate people into eating correctly and doing basic exercise before the next generation of children die early from obesity related diseases

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"According to a report in a national newspaper, some fat people claim they're to fat to work, now, whilst I agree some levels of obesity are medically related not all cases are.

Some campaigners are now asking for legislation, claiming “Fat-ism” should be made illegal.

I have mixed feelings on this, since when has it been compulsory to get fat? However, it seems unfair to label all fat people with the those who are to lazy to get off their fat bum."

Well I think there should be a review in the benefit system so people who get fat cannot claim. Its no different than someone avoiding going for interviews etc. Give them an ultimatum. Get fit enough to work in 6 months or loose your benefits. We namby pamby to far too many groups these days and its plain stupid of society.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"dont think its right at all to hold any form of discrimintaion . so maybe they should get some protectrion against abuse same as anyone else . however i do think that maybe education is the key and help with strings attached perhaps . such as we will help but you have got to help yourself , simple things like maybe for example the family in dundee going a walk twice a week , maybe get the kids on a bike etc , if they refused help and education then maybe they should have benefits cut ? im not saying all "over weight" people are like this , indeed i used to be a wee bit chunkier shall we say but its an easy thing to change if your willing to put the work in . "

Education is the key, the sad thing is children turn into adult and they take their bad eating habbits with them, if you eat wrongly your going to feed your children wrongly and they will carry on doing so into adult life, because its normal to them, i myself know this from first hand experience and its not something im proud of, i myself used to weight over 20 stone and this was because i ate shit, but i also fed my kids on what i ate, there for my kids was big, my middle daughter was a size 18 at 13 years old, and at the time i saw nothing wrong with that because i was so big myself, now i love my kids and i stand by that, all because i fed them shit and made them over weight does not mean i didnt love them, the thing is your blinded by your actions at the time, because it seems normal to you, i did, however, a while back join weight watchers and lost over 8 stone, now i never put any of my kids on diets but because i was cooking healthy for me i cooked healthy for the kids too because i wasnt cooking two meals lol and all my kids lost weight without even trying, simply because they ate what mum gave them and my middle daughter went down to a size 12, but had i not lost the weight, they wouldnt have lost the weight and they would have been set up for a life time of obesity and it would have been noones fault but mine for not setting a good example and educating them right, problem is we live in a society of take aways and its just normal now days to go to the chippy, dial out a pizza etc and big is getting more acceptable, its like they say now days a size 16 isnt big its normal, when my gran was young a size 16 was big because of their life styles most women was a lot slimmer than today, now a size 16 is still a size 16 its just because more women are that size now days it seems more normal but its still the same size as it was 60 years ago!

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By (user no longer on site)
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Maybe councils should have a cull on the amount of fast food shops that seem to be opening weekly all over the place

No need to even get off the sofa,just phone an order and its at your door in 30 mins

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Overeating is one 'drug of choice', there's also drinking, smoking, extreme sports, and don't forget other eating problems, anorexia, bulimia, etc where should it all begin and end when it comes to claiming disability.

To the OP, as you state, not all fat people are simply lazy, as well as illnesses there's comfort eaters, now that can get way beyond control.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Maybe councils should have a cull on the amount of fast food shops that seem to be opening weekly all over the place

No need to even get off the sofa,just phone an order and its at your door in 30 mins"

But like smoking, they are happy for the taxes to come in from these fast food places.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

this arguement bugs the daylights out of me!!! ok if you fat for a medical reason ie steriods or mobility issues and so forth then fair enough your weight along with other factors is goin to make it very difficult for you to work so you should be entitled to the same safety net as other people who are sick!!

but if you fat cause you shovel in enough food to keep a family of 5 goin for a week then im sorry but no!! get up off your fat arse and move around and eat less!! this oh there an orlistat or an alli pill its not the solution!!! im sorry if i offend anyone with this but im sick hearin it!! yes i am fat and its my own fault and only i can do somethin about it!! it doesnt affect my daily living i work i study i do stuff with kid!!

and here my next one....fat kids its the parents fault for god sake take responsibility you choose what to buy you choose what to feed them you choose to give them a fiver for a kebab instead of goin to football park or whatever!!

rant over sorry if i have offended anyone!! x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"this arguement bugs the daylights out of me!!! ok if you fat for a medical reason ie steriods or mobility issues and so forth then fair enough your weight along with other factors is goin to make it very difficult for you to work so you should be entitled to the same safety net as other people who are sick!!

but if you fat cause you shovel in enough food to keep a family of 5 goin for a week then im sorry but no!! get up off your fat arse and move around and eat less!! this oh there an orlistat or an alli pill its not the solution!!! im sorry if i offend anyone with this but im sick hearin it!! yes i am fat and its my own fault and only i can do somethin about it!! it doesnt affect my daily living i work i study i do stuff with kid!!

and here my next one....fat kids its the parents fault for god sake take responsibility you choose what to buy you choose what to feed them you choose to give them a fiver for a kebab instead of goin to football park or whatever!!

rant over sorry if i have offended anyone!! x"

Spot on kids only get fat due to what parents let them shovel down there necks. It is lack of parental care and how anyone can make excuses for letting kids get obese baffles me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I also blame Playstation and Xbox.

Kids and even grown adults sitting on their arse all day playing some war game and doing heehaw exercise.

I much prefer surfing the internet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well i just came back from the shop was in bakers woman in front of me with a wee kiddie say about 3 i think asks wean what she want wean said roll with that stuff (pointin to salad) got told no you can have chips and cheese!! i had to walk out the woman was like the back end of a bus and in 5 years the kid be the same!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is more down to inactivity than food intake.

As a child i and my brothers and sister were never still or never in the house.

We built go carts, we had roller skates and stilts and went fishing for tiddlers.

Bike riding for miles and potato picking to earn extra pocket money.

You hardly see kids in the streets now, no footie in the park just hanging about maccydees and doing nowt.

Even adults are doing the same.

Our diet no longer suits our needs and our inactivity but we failed to adjust it accordingly

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By *aughty_kittyWoman
over a year ago

finger licking good

must not make jokes........... BAD KITTY

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No one should be discriminated on due to the way they look.

However if someone is not able to do a job because they have gotten so fat (and its not a medical reason)..then they need to get off their fat arse and move some weight. As to claiming benefits cos they cant work...for a limited time only...because its a 'fixable' condition

I say all of this as a fat person!!

I dont agree with paying more for health care etc...cos what next..skinny junk food addicts, rock fans, speed freaks, smokers, hikers, bungee jumpers, swimmers..etc etc..the list of those likely to cost the nhs more is scarey!!

As to the fat kids...its the parents fault..end of!

I am fat..but both my kids are slim and very healthy. This is cos we dont eat junk..indeed we love salads, veg, fresh good food etc. So these habits mean my children and theirs will eat properly hopefully.!!( i am fat cos i have a crazy sweet tooth!)

Education is the key and instead of kids being taken away...social services should enforce compulsory re education on them as a family

One last thing..fat is not always a choice....but making a change to improve your life..IS

vol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i did used to be 17 stone but thanks to a change of lifestyle, i'm down to 12.5, took me 2 years to shift it but I did, basically stopped eating after 7pm and took up martial arts and cycling, oh yeah, the heart attack I had was a big heads up too

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over a year ago


"dont think its right at all to hold any form of discrimintaion . so maybe they should get some protectrion against abuse same as anyone else . however i do think that maybe education is the key and help with strings attached perhaps . such as we will help but you have got to help yourself , simple things like maybe for example the family in dundee going a walk twice a week , maybe get the kids on a bike etc , if they refused help and education then maybe they should have benefits cut ? im not saying all "over weight" people are like this , indeed i used to be a wee bit chunkier shall we say but its an easy thing to change if your willing to put the work in .

Education is the key, the sad thing is children turn into adult and they take their bad eating habbits with them, if you eat wrongly your going to feed your children wrongly and they will carry on doing so into adult life, because its normal to them, i myself know this from first hand experience and its not something im proud of, i myself used to weight over 20 stone and this was because i ate shit, but i also fed my kids on what i ate, there for my kids was big, my middle daughter was a size 18 at 13 years old, and at the time i saw nothing wrong with that because i was so big myself, now i love my kids and i stand by that, all because i fed them shit and made them over weight does not mean i didnt love them, the thing is your blinded by your actions at the time, because it seems normal to you, i did, however, a while back join weight watchers and lost over 8 stone, now i never put any of my kids on diets but because i was cooking healthy for me i cooked healthy for the kids too because i wasnt cooking two meals lol and all my kids lost weight without even trying, simply because they ate what mum gave them and my middle daughter went down to a size 12, but had i not lost the weight, they wouldnt have lost the weight and they would have been set up for a life time of obesity and it would have been noones fault but mine for not setting a good example and educating them right, problem is we live in a society of take aways and its just normal now days to go to the chippy, dial out a pizza etc and big is getting more acceptable, its like they say now days a size 16 isnt big its normal, when my gran was young a size 16 was big because of their life styles most women was a lot slimmer than today, now a size 16 is still a size 16 its just because more women are that size now days it seems more normal but its still the same size as it was 60 years ago!"

I just want to say what a refreshing frank and honest post Nympho made.

You saw that you were responsible for your family's eating habits and did something about it, the fact you look great after taking control and losing weight is an added bonus.

I too feel that the old adage is true, you are what you eat.. eat shit = look shit, whether you are big or small in size.

I too sometimes have McD's or other fast food, all things in moderation as they say, but wouldn't it be nice when going to the counter and asking for what you want they don't try to up the size of the meal? That's encouraging over-eating, maybe they should leave you with your choice.

Once again, well done on you and your family's weight loss and congratulations on being the one to take responsibility for the change to a healthier diet, and to your happy family. xxxxxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Upsizing meals is now becomming more apparant in some places.

Just like the usa.

We took our old dears out last week for lunch and my god. the sizes were humungous. they couldnt eat the amout given and some were quite alarmed at the meal its self. Doggy bags to the rescue. i always carry some.

So they had two meals for the price of one.

I myself asked for a childs portion and was told no.

so i argued and stood my ground and WON.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

there was a thing on earlier about rationing and it showed you portion sizes and u can now see why we have this problem its pile it high!!!

where i worked we had kids n half portions and it was still a fair plateful!! x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

why?what has she done?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Upsizing meals is now becomming more apparant in some places.

Just like the usa.

We took our old dears out last week for lunch and my god. the sizes were humungous. they couldnt eat the amout given and some were quite alarmed at the meal its self. Doggy bags to the rescue. i always carry some.

So they had two meals for the price of one.

I myself asked for a childs portion and was told no.

so i argued and stood my ground and WON. "

When I was undergoing chemo I looked like a twig but had no appetite, I was often given funny looks and muttered at for asking for half or child portions.

The mere thought of cooking made me sick so I ate out with the family to ensure they got a good meal, fortunately many local restaurants who know me were willing to accept my reasons for small portions.

But I resented being accused of anorexia, eating disorders etc merely because I wanted a small portion.

Our local pub does older people portions for the same reason, they just cannot eat all that is served as a 'normal' sized portion. xxxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well

for them that think all bigger peeps eat tons...

I want it known that as of yet ive eaten nowt as im not hungry

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i seen it as good business sense offerin smaller portions at a reduced price!!

one woman used to come in with twin toddlers and the kiddie menu was a load of shite to be honest cause the chef was an arse so what i used to do for her was say the haddock i used to order it then bring a side plate and half it for her it was enough for the kids and saved her a few quid!!

to make money u need to have good idea and listen to your customers! xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am always surprised at people who say its not down to what they eat. The fact is you cannot put on weight if the carbs and fat doesn’t enter your mouth. They can one of 2 thongs or both if they are serious about things. That’s firstly eat less and also exercise. No wonder bosses aren’t so keen on taking obese people on if many are getting too fat to work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well

for them that think all bigger peeps eat tons...

I want it known that as of yet ive eaten nowt as im not hungry "

Opposite end here Peaches, I'm a skinny minnie and scoff for Scotland, fortunately my metabolism burns off all the calories... all my family are the same. Lucky for me I have the skinny gene or I would find it the hardest thing in the world to have to diet or watch my calorific intake xxxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know my excess is staying put longer than i want it , down to less activity.

But problems joint wise of late have stopped me in my tracks so to speak.

But i still try and do something each day, even if its not for to long or with several breaks in between.

So its comming off slowly but i dont mind that.

And i also wanna compete in the "race for life" this year . though may have to walk it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't understand why people feel the need to justify themselves!

The OP's question was about fat people being able to claim benefits for being too fat to work...I personally think that's another enabler this government has introduced!!

Being fat is not an illness, neither is being a brood mare to dozens of kids, or being too dumb to finish school and surprised that the Fortune 500 are not head hunting you.

People have to take responsibility for their own actions and giving fatties (amongst others) the opportunity to say "not my fault" benefits no one!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't understand why people feel the need to justify themselves!

The OP's question was about fat people being able to claim benefits for being too fat to work...I personally think that's another enabler this government has introduced!!

Being fat is not an illness, neither is being a brood mare to dozens of kids, or being too dumb to finish school and surprised that the Fortune 500 are not head hunting you.

People have to take responsibility for their own actions and giving fatties (amongst others) the opportunity to say "not my fault" benefits no one!!

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Well said weight is something anyone can sort if they have the willpower. But its not right that overweight people can calm they are too fat to work without doing anything about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't understand why people feel the need to justify themselves!

The OP's question was about fat people being able to claim benefits for being too fat to work...I personally think that's another enabler this government has introduced!!

Being fat is not an illness, neither is being a brood mare to dozens of kids, or being too dumb to finish school and surprised that the Fortune 500 are not head hunting you.

People have to take responsibility for their own actions and giving fatties (amongst others) the opportunity to say "not my fault" benefits no one!!

Well said weight is something anyone can sort if they have the willpower. But its not right that overweight people can calm they are too fat to work without doing anything about it."

Similar tale with smoking, drinking, drug taking, etc etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They who dont work are not just fat but lazy too. I am a larger lady have regular sexercise single parent and have worked hard to provie for my girls.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They who dont work are not just fat but lazy too. I am a larger lady have regular sexercise single parent and have worked hard to provie for my girls."

theres a difference between being over weight and being to fat to work, lots of over weight people work, i think this thread is about people who are past the point of being over weight where its becoming a handycap for them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Being fat is not an illness

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no its not but being obese causes illnesses and thats what they are playing on, being obese causes walking problems, back problems, breathing problems etc and thats why they are unable to work, because they cant stand all day, cant walk about all day, cant bend properly, cant lift heavy things etc

But

Sticking them on benifits which means they dont have to sort their lifes out helps noone least of all them

Of course everyone needs to pay bills and eat but in my opinion they should only get money off the state so long as they are trying to sort themselves out, if they remand the same weight ofter several months their money should stop, i wouldnt be able to sit on my arse all day and claim benifits so why the hell should i pay taxes so they can?

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By *iggles and BeardyCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

I blame the Simpsons... If Hommer had never found out that being over a certain weight ment he didn't have to go into work, all the obese people watching his show, would never have figgred it out eaither!

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

After all is said and done, most people who are fat have made that lifestyle choice! End of!!!

Even disabled people can limit the amount of weight they put on by reducing their intake to match their calorific spend. Trouble is... There is no real stigma to being overweight any more. The British population is getting larger and in the not too distant future, proportioned people will be unusual!

A friend of ours has a thyroid problem and she has put on weight, but when the mothers at the school gate found this out, it was unbelievable how many other mums had the same condition.

People today are just too lazy to excersise and the result is...... FAT!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont mean any offence in what i say but its amazing how many experts and opinions we have about people bieng overweight and what should be done etc by those of average weight and those who have probably never had a weight problem in their lives. be it a few pounds .

If it was or is so bloody easy to rectify the situation i think most would .

Walk a mile in their shoes ...........

Before labelling them all the same please

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I dont mean any offence in what i say but its amazing how many experts and opinions we have about people bieng overweight and what should be done etc by those of average weight and those who have probably never had a weight problem in their lives. be it a few pounds .

If it was or is so bloody easy to rectify the situation i think most would .

Walk a mile in their shoes ...........

Before labelling them all the same please "

I wonder how many of those smoke.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ME.

and am i bovered.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

im fat and i smoke, but i also pay taxes so got to get some form of payback!!! xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"After all is said and done, most people who are fat have made that lifestyle choice! End of!!!

Even disabled people can limit the amount of weight they put on by reducing their intake to match their calorific spend. Trouble is... There is no real stigma to being overweight any more. The British population is getting larger and in the not too distant future, proportioned people will be unusual!

A friend of ours has a thyroid problem and she has put on weight, but when the mothers at the school gate found this out, it was unbelievable how many other mums had the same condition.

People today are just too lazy to excersise and the result is...... FAT!!! "

I'm sorry, but I find 'end of!!' one of the most arrogant sayings I can think of.

Your post is your opinion (to use your saying), end of, not fact, but opinion.

obesity can easily be brought on by a condition, Depression, many sufferers eat to console themselves, that in turn makes them tired and so they sleep taking away the feeling for a short time, it's a vicious circle.

Not always a lifestyle choice.

Are we to scoff at those that end up with cancers through smoking?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yerrrrr

gonna blow me smoke over all them "judges" and holier than thou types

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i find your persistant digs at smokers and anythin else u dont agree with offensive but dont give a shit as it is YOUR opinion!! they are like arseholes ya know we all got one but some dont share!!! x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i find your persistant digs at smokers and anythin else u dont agree with offensive but dont give a shit as it is YOUR opinion!! they are like arseholes ya know we all got one but some dont share!!! x"

No digs, not at all, a simple question.

I've not shared my opinion on it, as far as I remember, but make the point, one man's poison, another man's meat. (pardon the food pun, lol)

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By *aughty_kittyWoman
over a year ago

finger licking good

good job fat people have thick skin with this post.

you all should fucking ashamed of yourselfs shamefull the fucking lot of u'

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only kidding i dont care cos i smoke and i am a cunt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ohh but you have!! everything gets twisted round to smokers!! we take the hint we know you dont like us but tough!! if we all stopped the nhs would be in a worse state because there would be even less money to fund it!! yes we probably killin ourselfs but so are drinkers over eaters under eaters drug addicts and god knows how else!!!

now lets shake hands!! xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oiiii i aint fick

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"ohh but you have!! everything gets twisted round to smokers!! we take the hint we know you dont like us but tough!! if we all stopped the nhs would be in a worse state because there would be even less money to fund it!! yes we probably killin ourselfs but so are drinkers over eaters under eaters drug addicts and god knows how else!!!

now lets shake hands!! xx

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Wrong, my partner is a smoker, and guess what, I don't make her sleep outside.

My point is, where will it all end, if we are to say those that eat too much should not be allowed this or that because they are causing themselves harm, then what about the rest that cause themselves harm? smokers being the most common and more accepted than drug takers and alcoholics.

I'm simply putting things into perspective, not looking down my nose at others, far from it, quite the opposite, just hoping people may think twice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"ohh but you have!! everything gets twisted round to smokers!! we take the hint we know you dont like us but tough!! if we all stopped the nhs would be in a worse state because there would be even less money to fund it!! yes we probably killin ourselfs but so are drinkers over eaters under eaters drug addicts and god knows how else!!!

now lets shake hands!! xx

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I read back, and No I haven't expressed my opinion, but have left food for thought (another food pun, I'm doing well, lol)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

you hungry?? lol xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"you hungry?? lol xx"

Maybe I am, but I shouldn't be, I've already eaten, but that take away is calling to me.

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By *aughty_kittyWoman
over a year ago

finger licking good

u all eat too much, ur sicking up BULLSHIT hahahha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"you hungry?? lol xx

Maybe I am, but I shouldn't be, I've already eaten, but that take away is calling to me. "

have the scottish delicacy the deep fried pizza supper!! xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"u all eat too much, ur sicking up BULLSHIT hahahha"

You're not too big to go over my knee young lady.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"you hungry?? lol xx

Maybe I am, but I shouldn't be, I've already eaten, but that take away is calling to me.

have the scottish delicacy the deep fried pizza supper!! xx "

you are joking right, there isn't really a deep fried pizza, please tell me there isn't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

there is!!!!!! i had one the nite lol first time ever!! x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"there is!!!!!! i had one the nite lol first time ever!! x"

ew, what is it like?.

I've heard in the north east of a parma (think it's spelt).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

vile!!!!!! yuck lol xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"vile!!!!!! yuck lol xx "

I can imagine, but believe the deep fried mars bars taste good, though not sure I fancy trying them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Heading north of the border on Sunday.......so that will be no veg for a week

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Heading north of the border on Sunday.......so that will be no veg for a week "

Might be able to get it deep fried.

Do chips count as a veg?.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i was just thinkin that chips are potatoes potatoes are a veg!!! see bonks u will get veg!! xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i was just thinkin that chips are potatoes potatoes are a veg!!! see bonks u will get veg!! xx "

Full Scots each morning and Haggis at least 3 times in the week, feckin yum yum

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Plus plenty of "Shillings" each nite

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

typical english robbin meters!!! x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i was just thinkin that chips are potatoes potatoes are a veg!!! see bonks u will get veg!! xx

Full Scots each morning and Haggis at least 3 times in the week, feckin yum yum "

Thinking this is what you are getting at, and for those others if so.

Here's an interesting little fact, the full English breakfast was actually thought up by a Scotsman.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville


"According to a report in a national newspaper, some fat people claim they're to fat to work, now, whilst I agree some levels of obesity are medically related not all cases are.

Some campaigners are now asking for legislation, claiming “Fat-ism” should be made illegal.

I have mixed feelings on this, since when has it been compulsory to get fat? However, it seems unfair to label all fat people with the those who are to lazy to get off their fat bum."
its the buggers on those mobility trollies that i dont like.....they try and run me over im sure..fecking things

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I left school at 16 a size 18 always been a curvy girl exercise and eat reasonably healthy but enjoy life and smoke. Am size 22 now. Never go docs never have a cold and always healthy. My brother complete health freak and gym god got asthma always at docs so go figure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

fashions change and what used to be consdidered healthy now isn't but behind every morbidly obese person is usually a feeder or a hole that food won't fill. If you weigh so much that you can't get out of bed you cant feed yourself can you so who does? - think all the daytime programming on either food programmes or property perving doesnt help either but shouldnt we address the power balance between feeder and obeser.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Obeses people should be made to sweat for their benefits

And what would you say to those who are clinically obese through a medical condition? "

It's weird though, how come you never saw any obese people in Prisoner of War or Labour Camps.

Amongst the half starved inmates you didn't have a fat person saying "It's hard labour from dawn to dusk 24/7 on half a cup of rice a day and look at me,it must be my glands" or "I've just got a slow metabolism!".

XXXX

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

bump

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *i 1 Get 1 Free OP   Couple (MM)
over a year ago

birmingham


"[Removed by poster at 26/10/10 14:08:00]"

You've disturbed the cobwebs!

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

What was the point of that???

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

No, there should not be anti-fattist legislation. If we go down that road who knows where it will stop...... I'll have to stop taking the piss out of the salad munching stick monsters.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I dont mean any offence in what i say but its amazing how many experts and opinions we have about people bieng overweight and what should be done etc by those of average weight and those who have probably never had a weight problem in their lives. be it a few pounds .

If it was or is so bloody easy to rectify the situation i think most would .

Walk a mile in their shoes ...........

Before labelling them all the same please "

But many of them don't walk now,they've taken to riding round on those electric "obesecycles",so that they can get fatter with less discomfort.

As for the ones on benefits,they must be on a Hell of a handout to get the size they do. R

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The trouble is... I do not believe any seriously overweight person WANTS to be like this - but some simply cannot stop themselves? A bit like alcoholism, addiction to gambling, drugs etc... food addiction is a genuine addiction for some.

Now where is that giant bar of toblerone I brought back...?

Seriously though, I do not think people have the right to judge others, especially as the morbidly obese people have a much reduced quality of life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is another thing that has found its way from the usa.

There is a woman there taking the powers that be to court re discrimination so it was only matter of time before the uk jumped on the bandwagon .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i personally think that over weight people should only get banifits cause they are unfit to work if they are proving they are trying to loose weight

if they make no effort to help themselves then why should us, the tax payer, keep them?

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay


"i personally think that over weight people should only get banifits cause they are unfit to work if they are proving they are trying to loose weight

if they make no effort to help themselves then why should us, the tax payer, keep them?"

Maybe we should just round them up and shoot them.....there must be loads of groups we could do this to as well, make it far easier on the poor tax payers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i personally think that over weight people should only get banifits cause they are unfit to work if they are proving they are trying to loose weight

if they make no effort to help themselves then why should us, the tax payer, keep them?

Maybe we should just round them up and shoot them.....there must be loads of groups we could do this to as well, make it far easier on the poor tax payers."

shall we line up the drug addicts, gamblers and other addicts as well?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Noooooooooooooo

Dont shoot me, im only just learning how to trainspot

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Noooooooooooooo

Dont shoot me, im only just learning how to trainspot "

should nt train spotting be mentioned on the "boring" thread

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay


"i personally think that over weight people should only get banifits cause they are unfit to work if they are proving they are trying to loose weight

if they make no effort to help themselves then why should us, the tax payer, keep them?

Maybe we should just round them up and shoot them.....there must be loads of groups we could do this to as well, make it far easier on the poor tax payers.

shall we line up the drug addicts, gamblers and other addicts as well?"

I am sure there are some on here who could come up with a kill list of groups they think they are personally paying for....

Sad really

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i personally think that over weight people should only get banifits cause they are unfit to work if they are proving they are trying to loose weight

if they make no effort to help themselves then why should us, the tax payer, keep them?

Maybe we should just round them up and shoot them.....there must be loads of groups we could do this to as well, make it far easier on the poor tax payers.

shall we line up the drug addicts, gamblers and other addicts as well?"

of course, if they no good to us shoot the lot lol

seriously tho the threads not aboutr druggies and d*unks its about people being so over weight they cant look after themselves

if your life is effected that bad by your weight that you can no longer work then the goverment should be making more of an effort to help these people

i mean surely noone really wants that standard of life? so only paying them if they are loosing weight had got to be a good thing?

or am i the only person who dont think....fuck it its their lifes let them eat themselves into a early grave? some people need help to help themselves

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Noooooooooooooo

Dont shoot me, im only just learning how to trainspot

should nt train spotting be mentioned on the "boring" thread "

I thought i would try gentle exercise first and work me way up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i personally think that over weight people should only get banifits cause they are unfit to work if they are proving they are trying to loose weight

if they make no effort to help themselves then why should us, the tax payer, keep them?

Maybe we should just round them up and shoot them.....there must be loads of groups we could do this to as well, make it far easier on the poor tax payers.

shall we line up the drug addicts, gamblers and other addicts as well?

I am sure there are some on here who could come up with a kill list of groups they think they are personally paying for....

Sad really"

now now i never said kill anyone lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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if your life is effected that bad by your weight that you can no longer work then the goverment should be making more of an effort to help these people

i mean surely noone really wants that standard of life? so only paying them if they are loosing weight had got to be a good thing?

or am i the only person who dont think....fuck it its their lifes let them eat themselves into a early grave? some people need help to help themselves "

Agreed to a degree, however, some causes of obesity clearly fall under the Mental Health Guidelines - namely addiction behaviour, compulsive overeating etc and it really is not always so easy to help oneself.

I cannot believe that any human being decides one morning, let's get fat, aim for high blood pressure, high cholesterol levels, loss of mobility etc never mind loss of socialisation opportunities and enjoyment of life.

The point I am making... it is not always easy, sometimes it requires a lot more than incentives.

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over a year ago


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if your life is effected that bad by your weight that you can no longer work then the goverment should be making more of an effort to help these people

i mean surely noone really wants that standard of life? so only paying them if they are loosing weight had got to be a good thing?

or am i the only person who dont think....fuck it its their lifes let them eat themselves into a early grave? some people need help to help themselves

Agreed to a degree, however, some causes of obesity clearly fall under the Mental Health Guidelines - namely addiction behaviour, compulsive overeating etc and it really is not always so easy to help oneself.

I cannot believe that any human being decides one morning, let's get fat, aim for high blood pressure, high cholesterol levels, loss of mobility etc never mind loss of socialisation opportunities and enjoyment of life.

The point I am making... it is not always easy, sometimes it requires a lot more than incentives. "

humm not sure, i dont want to come over as a know it all but i am quite up on such subjects, i suffer from CED and have done for many years, and it is classed as a mental illness and ive been on medication for it for, again many years, i did however loose 9 stone a cpl years back, which many members on here who know me can confirm, im not just making it up to prove my point, yes i agree most very over weight peoples weight is down to ilness of some kind but that does not mean the illness can not be over come with the right help

and thats the point im trying to make, these people need the right help, because believe me, and i know a lot of people who suffer from what i have from hospital etc, people are not happy being so big they just feel lost

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over a year ago


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humm not sure, i dont want to come over as a know it all but i am quite up on such subjects, i suffer from CED and have done for many years, and it is classed as a mental illness and ive been on medication for it for, again many years, i did however loose 9 stone a cpl years back, which many members on here who know me can confirm, im not just making it up to prove my point, yes i agree most very over weight peoples weight is down to ilness of some kind but that does not mean the illness can not be over come with the right help

and thats the point im trying to make, these people need the right help, because believe me, and i know a lot of people who suffer from what i have from hospital etc, people are not happy being so big they just feel lost"

You are clearly very proud of your amazing achievement - and rightly so. But I'm afraid you're coming across as the worst kind of reformed 'offender' (be it smoking, drinking or, in your case, eating) and your horse is pretty damned high from where I'm standing.

You refer to the severely obese as 'these people' like they're an alien race, secure in the knowledge that YOU think you have found the key to success and are no longer a part of the obese scum of society. Whilst I am hugely happy for you, I am one of those who is still struggling to find that key. I myself lost 10st in 2006 and thought I'd cracked it only to regain 5 of it a few years later due to issues I don't need to discuss here... so be careful not to get too smug about your success. It can all go very wrong when you least expect it.

I'd have thought that you of all people would know that most people respond better to a carrot than to a stick. You say 'these people' need help then propose that this 'help' should come in the form of taking away their basic human rights. How very humanitarian of you.

All sections of society should be encouraged to play a useful, productive role whereby they contribute to the overall welfare of the state but no single section should be pilloried or singled out which is what seems to be happening here.

Help means just that. It could be in the form of NHS run diet and exercise classes coupled with group cognitive therapy ... as it is now, go to your GP asking for help with weight issues and you're likely just to get a prescription for Xenical thrown at you.

Nobody wants to pay taxes to maintain the feckless or work-shy but let's not use that as a reason to stir up a witch hunt against specific sections of society, referring to them as if they were sub-human. Less than a century ago there was a guy in Germany who took that attitude ... but not to worry - extreme views could never be taken too far - could they??

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over a year ago


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All sections of society should be encouraged to play a useful, productive role whereby they contribute to the overall welfare of the state but no single section should be pilloried or singled out which is what seems to be happening here.

Help means just that. It could be in the form of NHS run diet and exercise classes coupled with group cognitive therapy ... as it is now, go to your GP asking for help with weight issues and you're likely just to get a prescription for Xenical thrown at you.

Nobody wants to pay taxes to maintain the feckless or work-shy but let's not use that as a reason to stir up a witch hunt against specific sections of society, referring to them as if they were sub-human. Less than a century ago there was a guy in Germany who took that attitude ... but not to worry - extreme views could never be taken too far - could they??"

That was what I was trying to say earlier - it is somehow wrong (in my view of the world, which of course may well be different for others) to pick on ANY minority for being different. The overweight are only one group who are often labelled with negative attributes, some of which could not be further from the truth eg "being fat means you are lesss intelligent and lazy, workshy etc"

You are quite right that from this stance of isolation and attribution of negative traits history has shown that it can mean only a small step to the next, more drastic move...

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over a year ago

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over a year ago


"According to a report in a national newspaper, some fat people claim they're to fat to work, now, whilst I agree some levels of obesity are medically related not all cases are.

Some campaigners are now asking for legislation, claiming “Fat-ism” should be made illegal.

I have mixed feelings on this, since when has it been compulsory to get fat? However, it seems unfair to label all fat people with the those who are to lazy to get off their fat bum."

Rag newspapers should. stirring it up with their bldy spanners.

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over a year ago


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humm not sure, i dont want to come over as a know it all but i am quite up on such subjects, i suffer from CED and have done for many years, and it is classed as a mental illness and ive been on medication for it for, again many years, i did however loose 9 stone a cpl years back, which many members on here who know me can confirm, im not just making it up to prove my point, yes i agree most very over weight peoples weight is down to ilness of some kind but that does not mean the illness can not be over come with the right help

and thats the point im trying to make, these people need the right help, because believe me, and i know a lot of people who suffer from what i have from hospital etc, people are not happy being so big they just feel lost

You are clearly very proud of your amazing achievement - and rightly so. But I'm afraid you're coming across as the worst kind of reformed 'offender' (be it smoking, drinking or, in your case, eating) and your horse is pretty damned high from where I'm standing.

You refer to the severely obese as 'these people' like they're an alien race, secure in the knowledge that YOU think you have found the key to success and are no longer a part of the obese scum of society. Whilst I am hugely happy for you, I am one of those who is still struggling to find that key. I myself lost 10st in 2006 and thought I'd cracked it only to regain 5 of it a few years later due to issues I don't need to discuss here... so be careful not to get too smug about your success. It can all go very wrong when you least expect it.

I'd have thought that you of all people would know that most people respond better to a carrot than to a stick. You say 'these people' need help then propose that this 'help' should come in the form of taking away their basic human rights. How very humanitarian of you.

All sections of society should be encouraged to play a useful, productive role whereby they contribute to the overall welfare of the state but no single section should be pilloried or singled out which is what seems to be happening here.

Help means just that. It could be in the form of NHS run diet and exercise classes coupled with group cognitive therapy ... as it is now, go to your GP asking for help with weight issues and you're likely just to get a prescription for Xenical thrown at you.

Nobody wants to pay taxes to maintain the feckless or work-shy but let's not use that as a reason to stir up a witch hunt against specific sections of society, referring to them as if they were sub-human. Less than a century ago there was a guy in Germany who took that attitude ... but not to worry - extreme views could never be taken too far - could they??"

i think you have totally taken what i have said the wrong way

im not reformed

im not cured

im not slim

i certainly do not think anyone over weight is scum!!

i still have CED and i most likely always will, if you met me 5 times i would be a different size every time you met me

i am 'these people' i struggle every day of my life with my weight, if i had found the 'key to sucsess' i wouldnt still be struggling, i have no key i lost most of my weight by chucking up and taking laxatives because it was the only way i knew how

food addiction is a odd one because unlike any other addiction you cant go cold turkey, its like treating a alcholic but giving him 3 pints a day, it just wouldnt work but thats what over weight people have to do with food, its hard

I do not think im anything special or that i have acheived anything special, needing to loose that much weight is nothing to be proud of, i mearly said it to show help is out there and not to look down my nose at anyone

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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That was what I was trying to say earlier - it is somehow wrong (in my view of the world, which of course may well be different for others) to pick on ANY minority for being different. The overweight are only one group who are often labelled with negative attributes, some of which could not be further from the truth eg "being fat means you are lesss intelligent and lazy, workshy etc"

You are quite right that from this stance of isolation and attribution of negative traits history has shown that it can mean only a small step to the next, more drastic move..."

And it usually starts with people grouping other people together by using a collective noun... "The overweight"

By the way, I do not have "a much reduced quality of life" , far from it. I also do NOY have high blood pressure, I do not have high cholesterol levels, I do not have loss of mobility, never mind the fact I have no loss of socialisation opportunities and enjoyment of life.

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over a year ago


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i think you have totally taken what i have said the wrong way

im not reformed

im not cured

im not slim

i certainly do not think anyone over weight is scum!!

i still have CED and i most likely always will, if you met me 5 times i would be a different size every time you met me

i am 'these people' i struggle every day of my life with my weight, if i had found the 'key to sucsess' i wouldnt still be struggling, i have no key i lost most of my weight by chucking up and taking laxatives because it was the only way i knew how

food addiction is a odd one because unlike any other addiction you cant go cold turkey, its like treating a alcholic but giving him 3 pints a day, it just wouldnt work but thats what over weight people have to do with food, its hard

I do not think im anything special or that i have acheived anything special, needing to loose that much weight is nothing to be proud of, i mearly said it to show help is out there and not to look down my nose at anyone"

But you refer to the obese as 'these people', you suggest 'they' have their benefits stopped if they aren't losing weight, your resent them being classed as disabled in any way (I assume because you got a grip of your CED and they haven't), you say if you can do it anyone can, which is guarenteed to make anyone who is still struggling feel like a total failure - so maybe you can understand how I took what you said the wrong way. I saw no ambiguity ... there didn't seem any other way to take it.

I still, however, applaud your achievement. 9st is an amazing loss so well done.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ahem...

Just read this thread and, unless I missed a post... 37 weeks, 135 posts ... And no one has thought to let on to the OP the fact that whilst this and other acts of descrimination regularly occur, they (naturally including "fatism") cannot be made illegal...

They are illegal.

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over a year ago

I think we could argue till the cows come home on such emotive subjects.

We all make misinformed/and or informed judgements every day.

Maybe if we just have respect for a fellow human bieng regardless of size be it to big or too small. regardless of creed or colour...

Then the world may be a happier place to be in.

But then im away with the fairies and like nice thoughts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely the blame comes down to draw string jogging pants, thats where it all begins!! R

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over a year ago


"I think we could argue till the cows come home on such emotive subjects.

We all make misinformed/and or informed judgements every day.

Maybe if we just have respect for a fellow human bieng regardless of size be it to big or too small. regardless of creed or colour...

Then the world may be a happier place to be in.

But then im away with the fairies and like nice thoughts

"

Peaches for PM!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

being ex forces im geared towards the school of thought that if i have a big nose (i do!!) im a big nose c*nt, if a guys black he's a black bastard, if another guys got ginger hair? well virgin is obviously the name of choice.

lets face it we all go for a chinky yes? wats the difference between that and paki or coon? simple the chinese dont give a shit they are more intrested in silent global takeover.

if you start saying you cant say that to him it breeds chips on shoulders,

wats the last thing overweight peeps need? chips sportsfans!

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