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8 year old kills gran after playing GTA IV

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

"An eight-year-old boy intentionally shot and killed his grandmother minutes after playing the violent video game Grand Theft Auto IV, US authorities said.

The town of Slaughter, Louisiana, is in shock after the child was able to access the family's gun and shoot the 90-year-old in the head while she was watching television.

The woman, who was helping to look after the boy, was pronounced dead at the scene at the Country Breeze Mobile Home Park.

Sheriff's deputies have not revealed a motive but they pointed out the child was playing the video game before the fatal shooting."

So with just weeks till GTA V is out and the stories start.

The questions need to be asked:

How did the kid get/know where the gun was and why wasn't it secured?

Who lets an 8 year old play GTA IV?

And who the hell calls a town "Slaughter"?

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

Clues

MOBILE HOME

GUNS

AMERICA

Thee you go Sherlock(s)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

fims, games,internet, parents, all have a lot to answer for

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Clues

MOBILE HOME

GUNS

AMERICA

Thee you go Sherlock(s)"

Did you ever see the film Idiocracy?

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By *illybare partyMan
over a year ago

norh east

Why was an 8 year old playing sn 18+ game you wouldnt let an 8 year old watch a 18+ movie and the things interacrable

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My ex got saints row the 1st one when my son was 10 he came up on my playstation network that he was playing it so I jumped into my car went round and took the game then had a shouting fit with ex why she got it .. Cow

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know some children who play games that arent aimed at them(ie 16/18+ ratings), even at 8 most children should understand what it means to cause harm.

dont blame the game makers!

the only blame really that is obvious is the parents having a readily accessible gun

an absolute shame for the child and grandmother, and of course the parents of the child, however responsible they may be.

unfortunately the media will portray this more to do with the game than anything else, children have for decades played with toy guns, only using there imaginations really and not seeing into what the gun would actually do.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"I know some children who play games that arent aimed at them(ie 16/18+ ratings), even at 8 most children should understand what it means to cause harm.

dont blame the game makers!

the only blame really that is obvious is the parents having a readily accessible gun

an absolute shame for the child and grandmother, and of course the parents of the child, however responsible they may be.

unfortunately the media will portray this more to do with the game than anything else, children have for decades played with toy guns, only using there imaginations really and not seeing into what the gun would actually do.

"

Yes! My brothers used sticks to machine gun nazis in the playground, not one of them has ever got a real machine gun and killed a nazi to my knowledge, they knew the difference between play and reality even at 8.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I know some children who play games that arent aimed at them(ie 16/18+ ratings), even at 8 most children should understand what it means to cause harm.

dont blame the game makers!

the only blame really that is obvious is the parents having a readily accessible gun

an absolute shame for the child and grandmother, and of course the parents of the child, however responsible they may be.

unfortunately the media will portray this more to do with the game than anything else, children have for decades played with toy guns, only using there imaginations really and not seeing into what the gun would actually do.

Yes! My brothers used sticks to machine gun nazis in the playground, not one of them has ever got a real machine gun and killed a nazi to my knowledge, they knew the difference between play and reality even at 8."

wrong, if a gun was available,

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

very sad

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By *ouple_SpondonCouple
over a year ago

Spondon


"

unfortunately the media will portray this more to do with the game than anything else, children have for decades played with toy guns, only using there imaginations really and not seeing into what the gun would actually do.

"

I used to play with toy guns all the time as a kid. I've never felt the urge to shoot someone for real. But then i also used to carry my 'imitation firearm' around the streets without being stopped by the police. Kids can't do that these days either.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"I know some children who play games that arent aimed at them(ie 16/18+ ratings), even at 8 most children should understand what it means to cause harm.

dont blame the game makers!

the only blame really that is obvious is the parents having a readily accessible gun

an absolute shame for the child and grandmother, and of course the parents of the child, however responsible they may be.

unfortunately the media will portray this more to do with the game than anything else, children have for decades played with toy guns, only using there imaginations really and not seeing into what the gun would actually do.

Yes! My brothers used sticks to machine gun nazis in the playground, not one of them has ever got a real machine gun and killed a nazi to my knowledge, they knew the difference between play and reality even at 8.

wrong, if a gun was available, "

No I think they would have known at 8 not to use a real machine gun.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I know some children who play games that arent aimed at them(ie 16/18+ ratings), even at 8 most children should understand what it means to cause harm.

dont blame the game makers!

the only blame really that is obvious is the parents having a readily accessible gun

an absolute shame for the child and grandmother, and of course the parents of the child, however responsible they may be.

unfortunately the media will portray this more to do with the game than anything else, children have for decades played with toy guns, only using there imaginations really and not seeing into what the gun would actually do.

Exactly!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

unfortunately the media will portray this more to do with the game than anything else, children have for decades played with toy guns, only using there imaginations really and not seeing into what the gun would actually do.

I used to play with toy guns all the time as a kid. I've never felt the urge to shoot someone for real. But then i also used to carry my 'imitation firearm' around the streets without being stopped by the police. Kids can't do that these days either."

You can't even go on a night out dressed as a superhero with space guns without having 9 cops pointing semi automatic machine guns at you.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

unfortunately the media will portray this more to do with the game than anything else, children have for decades played with toy guns, only using there imaginations really and not seeing into what the gun would actually do.

I used to play with toy guns all the time as a kid. I've never felt the urge to shoot someone for real. But then i also used to carry my 'imitation firearm' around the streets without being stopped by the police. Kids can't do that these days either.

You can't even go on a night out dressed as a superhero with space guns without having 9 cops pointing semi automatic machine guns at you....."

famous movie quote:

"who are you!!!!!?!!!"

"I'm buzz lightyear|!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

people in films are shot and killed, and next week they are on telly or in another film, children, see this every day, and are rewarded for killing people and things in games, in sure research has shown links between games and real life violence

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


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unfortunately the media will portray this more to do with the game than anything else, children have for decades played with toy guns, only using there imaginations really and not seeing into what the gun would actually do.

I used to play with toy guns all the time as a kid. I've never felt the urge to shoot someone for real. But then i also used to carry my 'imitation firearm' around the streets without being stopped by the police. Kids can't do that these days either.

You can't even go on a night out dressed as a superhero with space guns without having 9 cops pointing semi automatic machine guns at you.....

famous movie quote:

"who are you!!!!!?!!!"

"I'm buzz lightyear|!""

lol

But buzz isn't a superhero and I doubt police would've bothered if I'd dressed like that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"people in films are shot and killed, and next week they are on telly or in another film, children, see this every day, and are rewarded for killing people and things in games, in sure research has shown links between games and real life violence"

I might have to look into that, but as long as I've played games or had siblings,nieces n nephews..I havent seen any 'violence' that wasnt already there.

there is a fine balance between games making sociopaths and the children who are allowed out onto the streets to do whatever they please.

My advice?- they get told what to do, misbehave, and the game gets turned off and taken away.then get told to do something else.

One of the problems is also parents not interacting with their childrens activities, just like TV, they still need guidance and someone to answer questions to.Re-inforcing the idea that it IS a game, and they shouldnt do things like that in real life.If we cant educate/support our children then there is no way we can judge their actions 99% of the time

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"people in films are shot and killed, and next week they are on telly or in another film, children, see this every day, and are rewarded for killing people and things in games, in sure research has shown links between games and real life violence"

Yeah but who lets their kids watch stuff like that? Bad parents.

And I bet the research didn't show people who committed such acts already had problems?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The children would have probably turned out to be a psychopath anyway, whats bad is that he was allowed to play this game and also was able to get hold of a fire arm. I hate guns.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"people in films are shot and killed, and next week they are on telly or in another film, children, see this every day, and are rewarded for killing people and things in games, in sure research has shown links between games and real life violence

I might have to look into that, but as long as I've played games or had siblings,nieces n nephews..I havent seen any 'violence' that wasnt already there.

there is a fine balance between games making sociopaths and the children who are allowed out onto the streets to do whatever they please.

My advice?- they get told what to do, misbehave, and the game gets turned off and taken away.then get told to do something else.

One of the problems is also parents not interacting with their childrens activities, just like TV, they still need guidance and someone to answer questions to.Re-inforcing the idea that it IS a game, and they shouldnt do things like that in real life.If we cant educate/support our children then there is no way we can judge their actions 99% of the time"

Or how about not letting an underage child play an 18 rated game?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can I just say that some of my family live and have lived in ' mobile homes' in America

They haven't shot anyone

Just saying

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By *hoenixcouplexxCouple
over a year ago

Leicestershire

Don't you think if it were down to the games we'd have millions and millions of mass murderers everywhere?!

No guns accessible....

No but there's plenty of knives in kitchens, baseball bats, crow bars, pick-axe handles, hammers and Christ knows what else.

If you take say 1 million child gamers and look at how many of those grow up to be murderers.

Now do it without the game existing.

I think that there'd be hardly any difference.

I bet there are far more kids prone to violence through parents teaching them that fighting and violence is ok in the real world such as 'play' fighting, not teaching them to drink responsibley or educating them about drugs, or not teaching them the safe and correct use of a fire arm, or not securing they're own fire arms properly so a childs curiosity leads it to trouble.

It doesn't take much to teach a child that games are just that... Games. Pretend, not real, same as films.

I would not let my nine year old play gta because its an 18+ and I don't believe he is mature enough to understand all the nuances clearly yet. Then again I don't believe for one moment that gta will turn a 16, 17 year old into a murderer that would not have otherwise been one.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"Clues

MOBILE HOME

GUNS

AMERICA

Thee you go Sherlock(s)"

I really shouldn't but...

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"My ex got saints row the 1st one when my son was 10 he came up on my playstation network that he was playing it so I jumped into my car went round and took the game then had a shouting fit with ex why she got it .. Cow "

Mature!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"people in films are shot and killed, and next week they are on telly or in another film, children, see this every day, and are rewarded for killing people and things in games, in sure research has shown links between games and real life violence

I might have to look into that, but as long as I've played games or had siblings,nieces n nephews..I havent seen any 'violence' that wasnt already there.

there is a fine balance between games making sociopaths and the children who are allowed out onto the streets to do whatever they please.

My advice?- they get told what to do, misbehave, and the game gets turned off and taken away.then get told to do something else.

One of the problems is also parents not interacting with their childrens activities, just like TV, they still need guidance and someone to answer questions to.Re-inforcing the idea that it IS a game, and they shouldnt do things like that in real life.If we cant educate/support our children then there is no way we can judge their actions 99% of the time

Or how about not letting an underage child play an 18 rated game? "

I have stated that earlier, but there are thousands that do.I dont see the game or its rating as the influencing factor to be honest.

the access to a gun is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Clues

MOBILE HOME

GUNS

AMERICA

Thee you go Sherlock(s)

Did you ever see the film Idiocracy? "

BRILLIANT film!!!

Unfortunately it's all true...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What a subject on a swinging site

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"people in films are shot and killed, and next week they are on telly or in another film, children, see this every day, and are rewarded for killing people and things in games, in sure research has shown links between games and real life violence

I might have to look into that, but as long as I've played games or had siblings,nieces n nephews..I havent seen any 'violence' that wasnt already there.

there is a fine balance between games making sociopaths and the children who are allowed out onto the streets to do whatever they please.

My advice?- they get told what to do, misbehave, and the game gets turned off and taken away.then get told to do something else.

One of the problems is also parents not interacting with their childrens activities, just like TV, they still need guidance and someone to answer questions to.Re-inforcing the idea that it IS a game, and they shouldnt do things like that in real life.If we cant educate/support our children then there is no way we can judge their actions 99% of the time

Or how about not letting an underage child play an 18 rated game?

I have stated that earlier, but there are thousands that do.I dont see the game or its rating as the influencing factor to be honest.

the access to a gun is."

There are because they don't want their kids being left out while other kids have cod or GTA etc. Anything to keep the kid quiet.

In the end, the parents are to blame for not securing the weapon.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"What a subject on a swinging site "

Have you seen what's in this forum? It's the lounge. Anything and everything's discussed in here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The report said they only thought he may have been playing the game but the real question is, how did the child have access to a GUN??? let alone an adult video game?

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By *opping_candyWoman
over a year ago

West Yorkshire


"people in films are shot and killed, and next week they are on telly or in another film, children, see this every day, and are rewarded for killing people and things in games, in sure research has shown links between games and real life violence

Yeah but who lets their kids watch stuff like that? Bad parents.

And I bet the research didn't show people who committed such acts already had problems?"

There is shooting and death in even 'innocent' films, but of course the majority of the time it is the bad guys with the guns doing the shooting and we root for the good guys.

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By *opping_candyWoman
over a year ago

West Yorkshire


"Why was an 8 year old playing sn 18+ game you wouldnt let an 8 year old watch a 18+ movie and the things interacrable"

Sorry I just can't for the life of me work out what interacrable means

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I remember as a kid there were guns in my grandfathers house. I also remember being shown the guns at a very young age. Being allowed to hold them, having it explained what they could do to another person and them being locked back away with the fear of god being put into me about what would happen if I was ever caught even looking wrong at the cabinet.

Worked for me! Never felt the urge to go near another gun since that day!

xx

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

It's no' a bad way of getting rid of granny.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why was an 8 year old playing sn 18+ game you wouldnt let an 8 year old watch a 18+ movie and the things interacrable

Sorry I just can't for the life of me work out what interacrable means "

interactive

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Lots of recent research shows that violent games and films do have an impact on the empathetic abilities of young people. If kids are being allowed to play such games or watch such films then parents need to know this so they can make a more informed decision about whether to let them be exposed to such violence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think games or movies make children violent....honestly it's down to many other things.. I would expect an 8 year old to know the difference between real and play.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's no' a bad way of getting rid of granny."

theres jokes and theres jokes

sort urself out at least on a joke thats not directly based on the tragedy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Saying that there's worst things on the TV news at the moment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If kids new the difference between right and wrong then playing video games wouldn't make a difference. I used to play and watch over 18 games and videos as a kid, never did me any harm.

And for the people who say video games lead to violence, what games were they playing during the crusades?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Clues

MOBILE HOME

GUNS

AMERICA

Thee you go Sherlock(s)"

Isn't that a little disrespectful to people who live in mobile homes ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cannot blame the game for this just the media typically trying to hype up a story which in the US would be just another everyday occurrence so trying to sensationalise the story.

Kids are introduced to violence very early - take Tom and jerry, roadrunner et al and im pretty sure never mistook it for reality.

My question here is what underlying issues the kid had with his granny? Was there maltreatment and abuse? Maybe she said he couldn't play GTA as she was watching telly so he flipped!?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont know for how long the film childsplay was banned for, the outcry was horrendous!

Ive screened 18+ films, as well as my family have, we've let under 18's watch them

they know the difference,for the violence element its made sure they know its a film.My nephew on his own got a copy of a 50cent movie..before he could watch it(we thought it could be violent), the whole thing started out pretty sexually, so that was a no go.

to my knowledge it isnt illegal for children to play or watch films outwith their rating, it is to buy/rent them though

thankfully as yet, the nanny state is confident we all have autonomy over our youngsters to a degree

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Google 'impact of violent video games on children' and you will soon see how these games affect children.

Or equally you can stick your fingers in your ears and chant 'la la la' very loudly.

My advice is be informed before you expose children to these levels of violence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What a subject on a swinging site "

What's your point???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Cannot blame the game for this just the media typically trying to hype up a story which in the US would be just another everyday occurrence so trying to sensationalise the story.

Kids are introduced to violence very early - take Tom and jerry, roadrunner et al and im pretty sure never mistook it for reality.

My question here is what underlying issues the kid had with his granny? Was there maltreatment and abuse? Maybe she said he couldn't play GTA as she was watching telly so he flipped!?"

It's in a parent's best interests these days (as it always has been) to explain the nature of violence in fiction, gameplay and real life, to make sure that a child understands that violence is only ever wrongly glorified and that they should value all life, even the life that ends up on their dinner plate.

To have an easily accessible gun around the house and to leave a kid to play violent video games while the parents go out and do whatever it is that they do... that's a recipe for disaster, even just in the case of having that gun lying around.

Is it possible that the kid didnt think the gun would be loaded - being 8 and too damn naive to think for himself? Maybe he just wanted to scare her, as prankster kids tend to do whenever they get the chance!

We should question these kinds of instances, but we shouldn't be giving the kind of knee-jerk reactions the media expects of us. That solves nothing in the future, am I right?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Clues

MOBILE HOME

GUNS

AMERICA

Thee you go Sherlock(s)

Isn't that a little disrespectful to people who live in mobile homes ? "

....... wait till we start on banjo players.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Google 'impact of violent video games on children' and you will soon see how these games affect children.

Or equally you can stick your fingers in your ears and chant 'la la la' very loudly.

My advice is be informed before you expose children to these levels of violence.

"

Google anything and you'll get all the 'evidence' you want, for AND against everything.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Google 'impact of violent video games on children' and you will soon see how these games affect children.

Or equally you can stick your fingers in your ears and chant 'la la la' very loudly.

My advice is be informed before you expose children to these levels of violence.

Google anything and you'll get all the 'evidence' you want, for AND against everything."

That is very true. You literally can find anything you want on the net and prove anything you want on Youtube

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Clues

MOBILE HOME

GUNS

AMERICA

Thee you go Sherlock(s)

Isn't that a little disrespectful to people who live in mobile homes ?

....... wait till we start on banjo players."

Don't think I can win this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bet granny told him to turn the game off so he got even..

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

I'm not in favour of exposing children to violence, one only has to look at the news pictures from Syria to see the effect it has on youngsters. But you can't keep your children protected from everything, once they are outside your sphere if influence at school, in other peoples houses etc they will see and hear things that you might wish they didn't you can however arm them with good values and principles so that they have some idea of what is right and what is wrong. That might be what is missing in this sorry case OR it might be a tragic accident with a set of unforeseen incidents leading up to the awful outcome

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Clues

MOBILE HOME

GUNS

AMERICA

Thee you go Sherlock(s)

Isn't that a little disrespectful to people who live in mobile homes ?

....... wait till we start on banjo players.

Don't think I can win this "

Funnily enough my brothers and sisters who still live in one - don't have guns and don't play banjos

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Bet granny told him to turn the game off so he got even.."

or maybe he thought I'm gonna jump out and scare granny with a gun

I'd assume he's an innocent child who's had something tragic just happen, try thinking like a child..who has just killed their grandmother.

I havent even looked at the story, but I'd assume this is an accident, dont fucking vilify the child on a bet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I dont see the game or its rating as the influencing factor to be honest.

the access to a gun is."

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Bet granny told him to turn the game off so he got even..

or maybe he thought I'm gonna jump out and scare granny with a gun

I'd assume he's an innocent child who's had something tragic just happen, try thinking like a child..who has just killed their grandmother.

I havent even looked at the story, but I'd assume this is an accident, dont fucking vilify the child on a bet"

Exactly, or make assumptions about his family or unbringing.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"Google 'impact of violent video games on children' and you will soon see how these games affect children.

Or equally you can stick your fingers in your ears and chant 'la la la' very loudly.

My advice is be informed before you expose children to these levels of violence.

Google anything and you'll get all the 'evidence' you want, for AND against everything."

And it is also an easy way to dismiss current research. It IS proven and the evidence is available. Oh and I mean real psychological research. Not 'evidence' as you put it in speech marks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Google 'impact of violent video games on children' and you will soon see how these games affect children.

Or equally you can stick your fingers in your ears and chant 'la la la' very loudly.

My advice is be informed before you expose children to these levels of violence.

Google anything and you'll get all the 'evidence' you want, for AND against everything.

And it is also an easy way to dismiss current research. It IS proven and the evidence is available. Oh and I mean real psychological research. Not 'evidence' as you put it in speech marks."

sorry i think i remember reading the research was bias against children and gaming.

research means it should also balance out the good things.

like I say, around the world there are millions of children forming social networks(not really even using facebook), games also increase spacial awareness, manual dexterity etc etc

bet the research never really highlighted that

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"Google 'impact of violent video games on children' and you will soon see how these games affect children.

Or equally you can stick your fingers in your ears and chant 'la la la' very loudly.

My advice is be informed before you expose children to these levels of violence.

Google anything and you'll get all the 'evidence' you want, for AND against everything.

And it is also an easy way to dismiss current research. It IS proven and the evidence is available. Oh and I mean real psychological research. Not 'evidence' as you put it in speech marks.

sorry i think i remember reading the research was bias against children and gaming.

research means it should also balance out the good things.

like I say, around the world there are millions of children forming social networks(not really even using facebook), games also increase spacial awareness, manual dexterity etc etc

bet the research never really highlighted that"

Read it and find out. It's very interesting. And there are loads of non-violent games out there which will increase spacial awareness and manual dexterity.

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over a year ago

I dont think the game can be blamed but who allowed him to play the game and left the gun unsecured.

The game is aimed at older and its irrisponsible parenting...my lads are 16 n its only the last couple of years ive allowed them to play older games with the understanding they are meant for older and anything they dont like they come off.

Im lucky really as their fav is fifa and they dont bother with much else.

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By *eryBigGirlWoman
over a year ago

East Yorkshire


"Google 'impact of violent video games on children' and you will soon see how these games affect children.

Or equally you can stick your fingers in your ears and chant 'la la la' very loudly.

My advice is be informed before you expose children to these levels of violence.

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over a year ago

I'm kinda on the fence on this one... Channel four did a programme some years ago on the effect of violent games on children which made for relatively compelling _iewing and suggested children would become desensitised to violence, which would lead them to being less affected physiologically to real violence in the news, when compared to children who had engaged in competetive non violent games.

There are assertions that such games trigger only affect those who already had a predisposition to violence...

It's difficult to test whether the game was the actually trigger, so difficult to form an absolute opinion.

How violence in games and films affects the masses is something that maybe needs more rigorous research.Though, I'm not sure how the gaming and film industry would feel about it...and then you may get studios, and software houses commissioning their own counter-studies...

But sieving through the bias is for the social scientists to deal with...

I personally, tend to err on the side of caution and limit/moderate my exposure to horror, violence et al.

When something makes my stomach churn (whether i'm watching, listening, tasting or ingesting), I take that as a signal that my body is telling me that it's not particularly enamoured by what I'm consuming and wants me to stop.

Dunno.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I know some children who play games that arent aimed at them(ie 16/18+ ratings), even at 8 most children should understand what it means to cause harm.

dont blame the game makers!

the only blame really that is obvious is the parents having a readily accessible gun

an absolute shame for the child and grandmother, and of course the parents of the child, however responsible they may be.

unfortunately the media will portray this more to do with the game than anything else, children have for decades played with toy guns, only using there imaginations really and not seeing into what the gun would actually do.

Yes! My brothers used sticks to machine gun nazis in the playground, not one of them has ever got a real machine gun and killed a nazi to my knowledge, they knew the difference between play and reality even at 8.

wrong, if a gun was available, "

Knives are available in any home... And a lot of games have 'knife kills' too. It's how you teach children as much as anything else. Letting children see things that aren't aimed at them is bad enough but to not discuss it with them and help them to process it is 100% a parent's responsibility.

I would suspect there is more to this than we know. It's not that easy to load a gun and cock it, take the safety off etc... If it was laying around ready for firing then again it's the parent's responsibility.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I'm kinda on the fence on this one... Channel four did a programme some years ago on the effect of violent games on children which made for relatively compelling _iewing and suggested children would become desensitised to violence, which would lead them to being less affected physiologically to real violence in the news, when compared to children who had engaged in competetive non violent games.

There are assertions that such games trigger only affect those who already had a predisposition to violence...

It's difficult to test whether the game was the actually trigger, so difficult to form an absolute opinion.

How violence in games and films affects the masses is something that maybe needs more rigorous research.Though, I'm not sure how the gaming and film industry would feel about it...and then you may get studios, and software houses commissioning their own counter-studies...

But sieving through the bias is for the social scientists to deal with...

I personally, tend to err on the side of caution and limit/moderate my exposure to horror, violence et al.

When something makes my stomach churn (whether i'm watching, listening, tasting or ingesting), I take that as a signal that my body is telling me that it's not particularly enamoured by what I'm consuming and wants me to stop.

Dunno.

"

I'll be honest, violence in games/films etc doesn't affect me. But I know it's a game/film etc.

Real violence disturbs me. Not stuff on the news, but videos of people with innards all over really affect me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm kinda on the fence on this one... Channel four did a programme some years ago on the effect of violent games on children which made for relatively compelling _iewing and suggested children would become desensitised to violence, which would lead them to being less affected physiologically to real violence in the news, when compared to children who had engaged in competetive non violent games.

There are assertions that such games trigger only affect those who already had a predisposition to violence...

It's difficult to test whether the game was the actually trigger, so difficult to form an absolute opinion.

How violence in games and films affects the masses is something that maybe needs more rigorous research.Though, I'm not sure how the gaming and film industry would feel about it...and then you may get studios, and software houses commissioning their own counter-studies...

But sieving through the bias is for the social scientists to deal with...

I personally, tend to err on the side of caution and limit/moderate my exposure to horror, violence et al.

When something makes my stomach churn (whether i'm watching, listening, tasting or ingesting), I take that as a signal that my body is telling me that it's not particularly enamoured by what I'm consuming and wants me to stop.

Dunno.

I'll be honest, violence in games/films etc doesn't affect me. But I know it's a game/film etc.

Real violence disturbs me. Not stuff on the news, but videos of people with innards all over really affect me. "
l

I'm might just be a wimp. I remember watching Hostel...I knew the eye ball wasn't real but I still felt discomfort. Not necessarily fear..

My worst experience was watching a French film called irreversible... I only managed to watch 10-15 minutes before having to walk out of my house for air! Have never seen the end.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I'm kinda on the fence on this one... Channel four did a programme some years ago on the effect of violent games on children which made for relatively compelling _iewing and suggested children would become desensitised to violence, which would lead them to being less affected physiologically to real violence in the news, when compared to children who had engaged in competetive non violent games.

There are assertions that such games trigger only affect those who already had a predisposition to violence...

It's difficult to test whether the game was the actually trigger, so difficult to form an absolute opinion.

How violence in games and films affects the masses is something that maybe needs more rigorous research.Though, I'm not sure how the gaming and film industry would feel about it...and then you may get studios, and software houses commissioning their own counter-studies...

But sieving through the bias is for the social scientists to deal with...

I personally, tend to err on the side of caution and limit/moderate my exposure to horror, violence et al.

When something makes my stomach churn (whether i'm watching, listening, tasting or ingesting), I take that as a signal that my body is telling me that it's not particularly enamoured by what I'm consuming and wants me to stop.

Dunno.

I'll be honest, violence in games/films etc doesn't affect me. But I know it's a game/film etc.

Real violence disturbs me. Not stuff on the news, but videos of people with innards all over really affect me. l

I'm might just be a wimp. I remember watching Hostel...I knew the eye ball wasn't real but I still felt discomfort. Not necessarily fear..

My worst experience was watching a French film called irreversible... I only managed to watch 10-15 minutes before having to walk out of my house for air! Have never seen the end."

Yeah I'm not keen of things to do with eyes but films like that don't bother me.

I laughed out loud in the cinema while watching saw 3. I got some looks because of that

Irreversible was gritty but if you've not see A Serbian Film then you've not seen anything. Google it if you don't wanna watch it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

why was an 8 year playing the game in the first place?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Violence on the screen desensitizes anyone to the violent acts themselves, and their consequences. The more you see, the more desensitized you are, but that doesn't necessarily make you more violent, imho.

As for Americans and their guns, unfortunately they are more fired up about their constitutional right to own a firearm if they choose, than they are with the common sense responsibility that such ownership requires. Once again, imho.

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By * n zCouple
over a year ago

leamington spa


"The children would have probably turned out to be a psychopath anyway, whats bad is that he was allowed to play this game and also was able to get hold of a fire arm. I hate guns. "

I kinda agree with this, violence is as old as human history and I think some people are just made that way, years ago there would havr been no computer games to blame yet things still happened. Maybe the game brought it out sooner but I think this boy would have turned violent sooner or later.......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The fact of the matter remains, that constant exposure to violence, brutality etc desensitises many of us to what it actually is all about.

Whilst violent video games and movies may not directly force or influence anyone to commit acts, the fact that people accept it and expect to be exposed to it is concerning.

Why watch such crap ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm kinda on the fence on this one... Channel four did a programme some years ago on the effect of violent games on children which made for relatively compelling _iewing and suggested children would become desensitised to violence, which would lead them to being less affected physiologically to real violence in the news, when compared to children who had engaged in competetive non violent games.

There are assertions that such games trigger only affect those who already had a predisposition to violence...

It's difficult to test whether the game was the actually trigger, so difficult to form an absolute opinion.

How violence in games and films affects the masses is something that maybe needs more rigorous research.Though, I'm not sure how the gaming and film industry would feel about it...and then you may get studios, and software houses commissioning their own counter-studies...

But sieving through the bias is for the social scientists to deal with...

I personally, tend to err on the side of caution and limit/moderate my exposure to horror, violence et al.

When something makes my stomach churn (whether i'm watching, listening, tasting or ingesting), I take that as a signal that my body is telling me that it's not particularly enamoured by what I'm consuming and wants me to stop.

Dunno.

I'll be honest, violence in games/films etc doesn't affect me. But I know it's a game/film etc.

Real violence disturbs me. Not stuff on the news, but videos of people with innards all over really affect me. l

I'm might just be a wimp. I remember watching Hostel...I knew the eye ball wasn't real but I still felt discomfort. Not necessarily fear..

My worst experience was watching a French film called irreversible... I only managed to watch 10-15 minutes before having to walk out of my house for air! Have never seen the end.

Yeah I'm not keen of things to do with eyes but films like that don't bother me.

I laughed out loud in the cinema while watching saw 3. I got some looks because of that

Irreversible was gritty but if you've not see A Serbian Film then you've not seen anything. Google it if you don't wanna watch it."

Doesnt sound pretty based on the wiki entry...think ill give it a miss!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Very sad but why were the guns easily accessible, instead of in a locked secure cabinet, and what the hell was he doing playing a game for 16/18 year olds? Why didn't granny check the box and take it off him.

Probably in his dvd collection wasTexas Chain Saw Massacre too by sound of it, instead of Sesame Street.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" The fact of the matter remains, that constant exposure to violence, brutality etc desensitises many of us to what it actually is all about.

Whilst violent video games and movies may not directly force or influence anyone to commit acts, the fact that people accept it and expect to be exposed to it is concerning.

Why watch such crap ? "

Same reasons why people eat, drink and read crap... It seems that if folks don't immediately feel the consequences, they ignore the future possibilities of them revealing themselves..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

lets get down to the REAL issue, America has guns in millions of homes.

in this thread I think there has been quite a reaction to the video game being a source.

As I said earlier, has the story been set straight?- did the child willingly try to injure or kill the unfortunate grandparent, or were they a young(in the common sense term)child with no actual motive to cause harm?

theres many questions how the gun got in his hands, or how inept the parents or grandparent was at having it hidden safely

was he playing with the gun and did it accidentally go off?-perhaps the grandmother tried to take it off him

I'd rather see this as a tragic accident, highlighting the effects of having guns in ur house, than anything really about a violent video game

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I'm kinda on the fence on this one... Channel four did a programme some years ago on the effect of violent games on children which made for relatively compelling _iewing and suggested children would become desensitised to violence, which would lead them to being less affected physiologically to real violence in the news, when compared to children who had engaged in competetive non violent games.

There are assertions that such games trigger only affect those who already had a predisposition to violence...

It's difficult to test whether the game was the actually trigger, so difficult to form an absolute opinion.

How violence in games and films affects the masses is something that maybe needs more rigorous research.Though, I'm not sure how the gaming and film industry would feel about it...and then you may get studios, and software houses commissioning their own counter-studies...

But sieving through the bias is for the social scientists to deal with...

I personally, tend to err on the side of caution and limit/moderate my exposure to horror, violence et al.

When something makes my stomach churn (whether i'm watching, listening, tasting or ingesting), I take that as a signal that my body is telling me that it's not particularly enamoured by what I'm consuming and wants me to stop.

Dunno.

I'll be honest, violence in games/films etc doesn't affect me. But I know it's a game/film etc.

Real violence disturbs me. Not stuff on the news, but videos of people with innards all over really affect me. l

I'm might just be a wimp. I remember watching Hostel...I knew the eye ball wasn't real but I still felt discomfort. Not necessarily fear..

My worst experience was watching a French film called irreversible... I only managed to watch 10-15 minutes before having to walk out of my house for air! Have never seen the end.

Yeah I'm not keen of things to do with eyes but films like that don't bother me.

I laughed out loud in the cinema while watching saw 3. I got some looks because of that

Irreversible was gritty but if you've not see A Serbian Film then you've not seen anything. Google it if you don't wanna watch it.

Doesnt sound pretty based on the wiki entry...think ill give it a miss! "

It's really not nice. I watched it with a lass. Bad move. No sex was had that night

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"lets get down to the REAL issue, America has guns in millions of homes.

in this thread I think there has been quite a reaction to the video game being a source.

As I said earlier, has the story been set straight?- did the child willingly try to injure or kill the unfortunate grandparent, or were they a young(in the common sense term)child with no actual motive to cause harm?

theres many questions how the gun got in his hands, or how inept the parents or grandparent was at having it hidden safely

was he playing with the gun and did it accidentally go off?-perhaps the grandmother tried to take it off him

I'd rather see this as a tragic accident, highlighting the effects of having guns in ur house, than anything really about a violent video game"

There could quite possibly be lessons to be learnt about both...the .danger of guns at home, as well as the impact of exposure to violence through film or video games.

Tragedy, no matter from which perspective this is looked at.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i saw once that research had proven that kids that play games such as fifa or other sports games actually get more irate and worked up than kids that play games such as GTA or CoD, i for 1 get considerably more frustrated when i cant win a game than when i get shot during gameplay. So just maybe its not the actual game that has an impact on kids its the highs or lows they experience??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the real story is:

a child had access to a gun

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i saw once that research had proven that kids that play games such as fifa or other sports games actually get more irate and worked up than kids that play games such as GTA or CoD, i for 1 get considerably more frustrated when i cant win a game than when i get shot during gameplay. So just maybe its not the actual game that has an impact on kids its the highs or lows they experience??"

This is possible...perhaps more pleasure is gleaned from gta and cod. Either way, without further research, it's difficult for me to form a solid opinion when just armed with anecdotal evidence and my own evidence pre-existing prejudices.

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over a year ago


"i saw once that research had proven that kids that play games such as fifa or other sports games actually get more irate and worked up than kids that play games such as GTA or CoD, i for 1 get considerably more frustrated when i cant win a game than when i get shot during gameplay. So just maybe its not the actual game that has an impact on kids its the highs or lows they experience??"

Some of that is just mimicking observed behaviour. You only have to look at how worked up players and spectators get at actual matches(which is then replicated in gameplay). Youngsters especially see this and come to believe it's what's normal and expected, so they copy it Sadly a lot of people think it's cute when they are small, but not so pleasant when they are older and mimick the bad behaviour as well as the 'enthusiastic'.

When you get shot during gameplay it's hardly a reason to celebrate..

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over a year ago


"the real story is:

a child had access to a gun"

Undoubtedly that's the most glaring thing to come from the event...

The rest is amateur psychology on what would/could cause someone to kill...though as you say, this instance MAY have been an accident...

Does make-believe violence breed real violence...?

Does it only effect those predisposed to violence?

Are some people destined to be killers no matter what, or are there things tat can trigger or dampen those impulses?

Do violent games et al have any lasting impact on the mental and physiological well being of most people exposed to them?

Obviously there's something to look into as real social scientists are asking the same questions and the answers their research is coming up with seems isn't conclusive, though some sounds a little worrying.

However, I agree it's a side story to the gun one, albeit a rather fascinating one...to me at least.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

From the age of 7, my cousin used to let me watch horror films from his collection and i have always been a big fan of video games. My dad taught me to shoot from a very young age as well, however, I have yet to go on a rampage with a gun and Im getting fed up with the culture of pinning the blame of these horrible tragedies on a random source that may or may not have influenced them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"people in films are shot and killed, and next week they are on telly or in another film, children, see this every day, and are rewarded for killing people and things in games, in sure research has shown links between games and real life violence"

if this was true we'd all be throwing birds at walls after playing angry birds

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No no, parents have a lot to answer for not the other stuff

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Games, films and music don't make people violent, it's the people that make people violent and how they are raised, remember the shootings in America that marylin manson was blamed for??? He was asked what he would have said to the shooters and his reply was, said to them??? Nothing! I would have just listened to them. My point is that if someone is gonna be violent then it's already in their nature to be so, and whilst I don't agree with a kid of 8 playing an 18+ game, you can't blame the game, you can only blame the parents for this, I have a friend who let's their boy play 18+ games and watch 18+ movies and I tell her all the time u don't agree with it but he isn't my boy so I can't influence her choices but my daughter won't be allowed to do those things.

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