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By *lentyoffun40 OP Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire

With match day arrests down over 12 %

Police have now said they are targeting fans online

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23796712

While I don't tolerate online racism and abuse

I do feel that once again it's so easy for the "football fan" to be targeted

If ever there was a group of people that were stereotyped badly ... Football fans have to be up there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's the polices new project to stop crime as they have wiped out all the peodophiles, child abusers, drug dealers, rapists, burglars, shop lifters, fraudsters, terrorists, online bullies........ Oh no they haven't have they, they just go for easy targets to make money like motorists football fans etc etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the world is changing and online abuse is increasing.

People are taking to twitter, including footballers and are subject to significant abuse, some more than just banter.

To be honest I think it is just a reflection of how big the sport is. One player can have millions of followers on twitter and many sadly will hate him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Email adresses should be easier to help track down the abusers

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By *lentyoffun40 OP Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire

What about rugby ? Cricket ? Etcetera

Since the hooliganism in the 80's and thatchers clamp down on "a British diseases" football fans have become an easy target

You only have to look at wembley

Rugby fans can drink in their seats

Football fans can't !

Are their plastic glasses much less dangerous??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What about rugby ? Cricket ? Etcetera

Since the hooliganism in the 80's and thatchers clamp down on "a British diseases" football fans have become an easy target

You only have to look at wembley

Rugby fans can drink in their seats

Football fans can't !

Are their plastic glasses much less dangerous?? "

Rugby fans can be trusted to drink, enjoy the banter with the opposition fans then meet them in the pub after the game and have more alcohol and a laugh. Football fans are different sadly. I no longer take my girls to football matches. Just watch the tv pictures. Kids are using foul language and abusing players as much as the adults.

I happily take them to rugby.

I realise that not all football fans are bad however they rid still a large element who give the others a bad name.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What about rugby ? Cricket ? Etcetera

Since the hooliganism in the 80's and thatchers clamp down on "a British diseases" football fans have become an easy target

You only have to look at wembley

Rugby fans can drink in their seats

Football fans can't !

Are their plastic glasses much less dangerous?? "

Is plastic much less dangerous? yes!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can't target something that doesn't exist.If the abuse and moronic behavior ceases then so will targeting I imagine.

Stop playing the victim if you're not actually affected in any way.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

As in white people being offended by the phrase "bongo bongo land" Cousteau? Well said.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everyone gets picked on, motorists, people of a certain age group, people from a certain area.

Remember it is only a game !

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Might be better off targeting paedos and those who bully kids into suicide. Just a thought.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I,m fucked then cos I always give it out to rival fans on Facebook

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"Might be better off targeting paedos and those who bully kids into suicide. Just a thought."

I suspect they do.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Not doing very well at it then are they? I keep reading about it. Sort these 2 groups out first and then start on someone else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the Police wish to monitor illegal* posts on social media they should do so equally, regardless of the alleged perpetrators hobbies/interests. Simple as.

*Bearing in mind the guidance that the CPS gave out a short while ago re the likelihood of a successful conviction.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"What about rugby ? Cricket ? Etcetera

Since the hooliganism in the 80's and thatchers clamp down on "a British diseases" football fans have become an easy target

You only have to look at wembley

Rugby fans can drink in their seats

Football fans can't !

Are their plastic glasses much less dangerous?? "

Sorry but how many riots do you see at major rugby or cricket events? hardly any because the fans know how to behave.

I go to the rugby regularly and have seen people removed from the ground for being too d*unk or using bad language because there are kids around.

I never understand why fans of a team feel the need to bring shame on their team by fighting or being abusive etc.

Rugby fans can be trusted to drink at games and not fill their drink containers with piss and throw it back into the crowd (worked at Wembley and yes this happens!!!)

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Never been to a Rugby League local derby then? Plenty of punch ups. As for Rugby Union,well sorry there's either hardly anyone there or if it is an international most of them are hooray henrys(also known as the Tory cabinet) who drink Pimms and couldn't fight for toffee.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Never been to a Rugby League local derby then? Plenty of punch ups. As for Rugby Union,well sorry there's either hardly anyone there or if it is an international most of them are hooray henrys(also known as the Tory cabinet) who drink Pimms and couldn't fight for toffee."

no - i watch real rugby lol

i mainly watch club rugby and although attendances arent as high as football i can honestly say there arent too many hooray henry's at Sixways.

So are you saying that the behaviour of football thugs (i wont say fans because that will degrade the true fans) is excused because of their number?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Never get a problem with rugby. Full stop!

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

I don't excuse any thuggery. But more people could,not should lead to more violence. So many more games watched in a football season compared to Rugby. Hate to tell you this but my fanatical Welsh mate was at a WalesvFrance game at the Arms Park when a Welsh fan nutted a French lad's nose and broke it.He was so gutted.He'd always said it never happened.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As in white people being offended by the phrase "bongo bongo land" Cousteau? Well said."

Interested to know what you mean by that?

I don't know the details of the online clamp down but seems to me if you're the sort of person that likes to target somebody with abuse you deserve to be held to account regardless of what sport you are or aren't into.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"I don't excuse any thuggery. But more people could,not should lead to more violence. So many more games watched in a football season compared to Rugby. Hate to tell you this but my fanatical Welsh mate was at a WalesvFrance game at the Arms Park when a Welsh fan nutted a French lad's nose and broke it.He was so gutted.He'd always said it never happened."

but you have to agree that mass violence and abusive chance are the reign of football thugs. i have never heard any racist abuse aimed at rugby players like it is at football players.

i think its right that the police are clamping down on this and as you say there are more football fans so its likely that the police will arrest more of them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't like football anyways so I'm all good

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"Not doing very well at it then are they? I keep reading about it. Sort these 2 groups out first and then start on someone else."

The reason why you are reading about it is because they are successfully clamping down on paedos etc. If they weren't then there would be nothing to report.

And they can do more than one thing at once too. They can monitor sex offenders, paedophiles, AND football hooligans. All at the same time!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am a football fan and have never abused anybody online. So this crackdown does not bother me at all.

Online tough guys deserve to be targetted by the police.

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By *heNerdyCyclistMan
over a year ago

MANCHESTER

Try being an brony. Who supports Arsenal. How I haven't hanged myself is amazing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not doing very well at it then are they? I keep reading about it. Sort these 2 groups out first and then start on someone else.

The reason why you are reading about it is because they are successfully clamping down on paedos etc. If they weren't then there would be nothing to report.

And they can do more than one thing at once too. They can monitor sex offenders, paedophiles, AND football hooligans. All at the same time! "

Touché

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What about rugby ? Cricket ? Etcetera

Since the hooliganism in the 80's and thatchers clamp down on "a British diseases" football fans have become an easy target

You only have to look at wembley

Rugby fans can drink in their seats

Football fans can't !

Are their plastic glasses much less dangerous?? "

Football fans are a national/internationally recognised problem and have been for many many years now. Rugby fans are not. You guys should just accept the fact that you share your passion for the sport with a gang of moronic trouble makers. Simples..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If people are doing wrong fine chase them down but fuck football fans and drivers get more than their share get the shoplifters and thieving cunts first.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Off track totally, but i cant help thinking of a football chant in line with the thread title, to the tune of Dean Martins "Thats Amore".

"When you're sat in Row Z

And the ball hits your head

Thats Zamora."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Off track totally, but i cant help thinking of a football chant in line with the thread title, to the tune of Dean Martins "Thats Amore".

"When you're sat in Row Z

And the ball hits your head

Thats Zamora."

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haha that's a classic even the qpr fans sing it!

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By *o-jCouple
over a year ago

Outskirts of Notts

home town anywhere the M62 ?

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

Season ticket holder at Sale Sharks, never seen more than 4 coppers directing vehicles at the ground.

Compare that to the lockdown of pubs etc when United or City are playing at home.

Last game of the season against Wasps, good game and the Wasps fans great company, nice to be able to mingle and drink with oppo fans and be treated like an adult, unlike at football grounds.

The history of moronic behaviour from (some) football fans is plain for all to see, which is why we have the measures we have.

Its not 'victimisation', its a measured response to past history.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

So they are successfully targetting bullies online? I see. No suicides lately then? Glad they've sorted that and can spare the manpower to pick on footy fans. Who did the research for this? Oh Stonewall.What a shocker! Not.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"So they are successfully targetting bullies online? I see. No suicides lately then? Glad they've sorted that and can spare the manpower to pick on footy fans. Who did the research for this? Oh Stonewall.What a shocker! Not.

You seem to expect the police to completely eradicate everything??? Do you seriously believe that is possible?? Of course it's bot. Look at the number of people in the country and the number of coppers. The police can't monitor every person in the country, society has its rile to play as well.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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Oooh sarcasm!

Where did I say they'd stopped it? However you seem to be of the opinion that the Police only have the resources to monitor one set of problems, and football hooligans should not be it. My point was that the Police can monitor several sets of offenders, and that they can sort our bullies, paedos, AND hooligans with no limit on resources.

You then said that there were no results because you're reading about them in the press. Well that means there must be SOME results, else you wouldn't be reading about it.

One last thing - why are online bullies suddenly the responsibility of the Police? Where are the parents? The Police can only get involved after the death, as being a sod online is NOT illegal (yet!) And I suspect you would be one of the people posting on here saying what bastards the Police are when someone posts yet another moaning post about the erosion of our rights. They can't win.

In the case of the OP, if you are a football supporter and are unhappy about this new thing, then blame your fellow football supporters. Why should us non-football supporters be made to feel in danger every Saturday afternoon? What gives football supporters the right to cause havoc, mayhem, and damage to property and person just because a bunch of pampered and overpaid boys can't hit a ball into a net?

So moan about paedos, online bullies, and probably immigrants and traffic wardens if you like. Just remember that there are people out there doing much more to prevent situations that you are doing, and obviously without you knowing about it.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Of course they can't police everything. But let's look at priorities. Paedos organising online.....Lives ruined.Bullying of kids online.....Deaths.Football fans insulting someone....erm hurt feelings.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

You assume a lot about me wrydwoman and most of it is wrong. When was the last time you felt unsafe because football fans were insulting someone online?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Of course they can't police everything. But let's look at priorities. Paedos organising online.....Lives ruined.Bullying of kids online.....Deaths.Football fans insulting someone....erm hurt feelings."

Has anyone said they are not doing those things? Where are the reports stating that all police attention is going on to this? Sounding think that online harassment, racial abuse etc could lead to an adult taking their life? That's never happened before ever?

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Can't remember a footballer taking their own life because of online bullying no.Can you?

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"You assume a lot about me wrydwoman and most of it is wrong. When was the last time you felt unsafe because football fans were insulting someone online?"

I haven't assumed anything about you. I have responded to your posts only, and given a reason why people might not like football hooligans.

Personally, I dislike the assumption that doing one thing prevents us from doing anything else. When people are caught breaking the law by speeding or using their mobile phone they always ask 'why aren't you out catching criminals?' Where does it say that there is only one man in the whole UK Police Force and that they are the only one monitoring online problems? You do understand there are 100s of people monitoring online paedophilia across many countries? That the resources are huge? That the search engines are just as responsible?

I have no problem with people moaning about specific instances. If you are arrested one day for walking down your street for nothing more than 'looking funny' then I will be as sympathetic as the next person. But if you break the law, either online or off, then expect the Police to pop around to have a word.

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By *ibbyhunterCouple
over a year ago

keighley

a few weeks ago a neighbour of ours was having some trouble with some local youths ,so he called the police ,2 hours later a police car came round .i f he had phoned the police and said a gang of football fans were fighting outside his house police with dogs ,helicopter,and mounted police would have been there in a few minutes.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Can't remember a footballer taking their own life because of online bullying no.Can you?"

Just because it's not in the news doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Doesn't have to be to flight players does it? Maybe you are protesting too Mich because you are a perpetrator of this and are worried the cops are going to cone knocking.

People need to learn that they can't going around abusing people either in real life or online. It's never acceptable and even if the person taking the online abuse isn't affected it'd always possible that someone else reading it is. There are a lot of vulnerable minds out there not all of them children.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

WyrdwomanWell you did say you suspected me of something. That lends itself to a assumption in my view.Perhaps I'm too sensitive. I am rather gentle.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"Can't remember a footballer taking their own life because of online bullying no.Can you?"

I'm not seeing your point here. Do you want online bullying monitored or not? A footballer is just as likely to be targeted as a 14 year old child.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Ffs now some thinks I'm the sort of person who indulges in that sort of stuff online.All bullying is wrong. WHY PICK OUT FOOTBALL FANS?

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"Ffs now some thinks I'm the sort of person who indulges in that sort of stuff online.All bullying is wrong. WHY PICK OUT FOOTBALL FANS?"

If you want ALL sites monitored for online bullying, why should football fan sites not be included?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Ffs now some thinks I'm the sort of person who indulges in that sort of stuff online.All bullying is wrong. WHY PICK OUT FOOTBALL FANS?"

THEY ARE NOT. This thread is just based in football that is all. There have been arrests of people for abusing all sorts of people on Twitter. Not just footballers.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

The thread was started because the police said football fans were to be SPECIFICALLY targeted. Did I read the OP correctly cos that's how it reads to me?

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"The thread was started because the police said football fans were to be SPECIFICALLY targeted. Did I read the OP correctly cos that's how it reads to me?"

That's what the OP says, yes. However that doesn't mean that the other sites stop being targeted.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"The thread was started because the police said football fans were to be SPECIFICALLY targeted. Did I read the OP correctly cos that's how it reads to me?"

Doesn't say specifically in the OP. My interpretation of the OP is that they are moving their efforts from policing games to policing online bullies in relation to football related crime. Doesn't say that's the only firm if inline bullying they will be policing. Doesn't say they are going to ignore any other type if online abuse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Has anyone considered that this may be sensationalist media hype ? In sure the odd few resources will look at it now and again, but the concept that an army of people are staring at computers waiting for some clown to shout something is unlikely.

Everyday fans jaunt eachother and the vast majority are never challenged unless its a hugely inflamatory situation.

If its racially motivated, homophobic or inciting violence why shouldn't it be dealt with ?

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Who said anything about other sites stopped being targeted?The police have limited manpower. Who should they spend that time monitoring? Paedos,bullies resulting in death or football fans specifically.You tell me.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Who said anything about other sites stopped being targeted?The police have limited manpower. Who should they spend that time monitoring? Paedos,bullies resulting in death or football fans specifically.You tell me."

There you go again assuming that all their man power will be used to monitor this

it's laughable really.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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They've obviously decided that the situation is serious enough to get some extra manpower drafted in. Plus they'll use other resources.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Evie I didn't say all their manpower would be used by this. I said I see no reason why football fans should be targeted more than anyone else.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Um bored of this now. Let the racism, homophobia, abuse of people just doing their jib flow. No one cares if children see it. No one cares that it's against the law. Crack on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"With match day arrests down over 12 %

Police have now said they are targeting fans online

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23796712

While I don't tolerate online racism and abuse

I do feel that once again it's so easy for the "football fan" to be targeted

If ever there was a group of people that were stereotyped badly ... Football fans have to be up there

If it's “targeting football fans” your taking issue here ?

I really don’t understand why anyone could have an objection to the police targeting hostile or threatening online abuse in wherever area of society it manifests itself…

After-all .... its only the idiots who behave in that manner who have anything to fear from Police intervention...

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Soxy you have summed it up in one. It is the fact football fans are specifically mentioned.Still it gave the rabid antifootball fans something to. They are so quick to stereotype.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Soxy you have summed it up in one. It is the fact football fans are specifically mentioned.Still it gave the rabid antifootball fans something to. They are so quick to stereotype."

Being anti-football thug has nothing to do with being anti-football.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

I'm anti all thugs not just footy ones.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Soxy you have summed it up in one. It is the fact football fans are specifically mentioned.Still it gave the rabid antifootball fans something to. They are so quick to stereotype."

I'm not ant football fan, I'm anti thug

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"I'm anti all thugs not just footy ones."

Because they are a better class of thug???

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Don't understand that Evie.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Don't understand that Evie."

Read it wrong. Ignore it lol

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Not to worry. Must be off now got some Leicester fans to smack round the lughole.(that is said tongue in cheek)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They already target those incidents.

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By *ondering_yorkshiremanMan
over a year ago

Somewhere near NE Derbyshire/S Yorkshire/Nottinghamshire border

The increase in arrests for football related incidents, drugs, peados etc is not necessarily do to them been targeted but More of the arrests been publicised.

There has Always been Offences of these types granted internet types only more in recent times.

There are more arrests due to more investigations and clampdowns. In ground arrests are now dramatically lower due banning orders, the police and clubs standing up to thugs

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

I know they already target paedos costeau but I think they should concentrate on them rather than footy fans.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I know they already target paedos costeau but I think they should concentrate on them rather than footy fans."

The resources should be available to do both.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

But they aren't are they? The police are losing jobs. Try this for an experiment. Substitute the word "black" for football fans in the OP. This board would light up with outrage and rightly so.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"But they aren't are they? The police are losing jobs. Try this for an experiment. Substitute the word "black" for football fans in the OP. This board would light up with outrage and rightly so."

Yes, because that would be unfairly targeting a whole race of people. Whereas football hooligans have not exactly given us reason to think they have converted to good behaviour overnight.

Football thuggery transcends race, age, and class. What the Police are doing is targeting criminal behaviour, and if by doing that they have to monitor certain sites then I really don't know why you are getting your pants in a bunch about it. You say you want the Police to prevent online crime, but then say football thugs should be exempt from that. I don't get it.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Erm where did I say I wanted football fans exempted from monitoring? I want everyone treated the same.99.9% of football never get involved in trouble.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"Erm where did I say I wanted football fans exempted from monitoring? I want everyone treated the same.99.9% of football never get involved in trouble."

99.9% of teenagers don't bully others online.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Couldn't agree more.So your point is the same as mine. Don't stereotype.Have you tried my word substitution experiment yet? Tell me what you think please.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Try coming to Scotland where we have an Offensive Behaviour at Football Act where you can be arrested and imprisoned for 5 years for singing a song at a football match but for singing the same song anywhere else is not an offence...

I think you have it good in England. I was down for the Scotland v England game. There were thousands of us in Trafalgar Square and the police were happy to let us have a laugh and enjoy our day. They were only there for public safety and to arrest a naked dude in the fountain!

Meanwhile supporters in Glasgow have been kettled for organising an "illegals march" where about 50 fans walked together from a pub to the ground!

I saw more police at a recent Scottish Premiership game against Ross County than I saw across the whole week in London. So disproportionate!

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Well Ian if that isn't victimisation of football fans I don't know what is.Bloody ridiculous.Thought you deserved a draw as well mate v England. 2 cracking goals,Morrison and Miller.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Couldn't agree more.So your point is the same as mine. Don't stereotype.Have you tried my word substitution experiment yet? Tell me what you think please. "

No, your point was that you thought the Police were unfairly targeting football fans and should concentrate their resources on other sites to catch paedos and online bullies. My point was that they can do that AND keep an eye on online football thuggery. Your point has been all the way through the thread that you think the Police have limited resources and so have had to reduce their other duties. My point was that this has not been said anywhere, and that the Police can do ALL of these things.

I have no idea what you mean about your latter point. *shrugs*

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Really the police have sufficient resources to do all these things? lol.Oh I'll tell you waht I put earlier. Sustitute the word "black" for "football fans" in the OP.Then tell me how that reads to you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Erm where did I say I wanted football fans exempted from monitoring? I want everyone treated the same.99.9% of football never get involved in trouble."

You're right which is why this story will fade off the medias pages with very little consequence.

A few idiots I daresay will be prosecuted, but by and large the average fan won't notice anything different.

The stereotype of football fans has been created by the media, not the police.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"Really the police have sufficient resources to do all these things? lol.Oh I'll tell you waht I put earlier. Sustitute the word "black" for "football fans" in the OP.Then tell me how that reads to you."

It reads like you are making a strawman argument to deflect attention from your insistence that the police are taking resources away from one thing to concentrate on another, when no evidence has been shown by you that that is the case.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

And devoured greedily by people who know sod all about football.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

_yrdwoman. Doesn't common sense say that if one person is doing something they can't be giving 100% to other tasks can they?Or can they?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I took my 2 kids to watch fulham last year and I went to the family section and the abuse I heard about qpr fans was vile ! After 20 minutes I left the stadium and complained and was told its only banter ! I now take my kids to rugby instead and ive heard no abuse and fans have a good laugh with each other and my kids are safe ! Football hang your head in shame and learn from rugby !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"_yrdwoman. Doesn't common sense say that if one person is doing something they can't be giving 100% to other tasks can they?Or can they? "

Do you think that 100% of resources are focused on one area? Things are prioritised according to resources.

If you called up today and complained about something and were subsequently told that all resources were deployed elsewhere, you'd by annoyed and rightly so.

Were getting slightly off track anyway. Should such matters be monitored in my opinion ? Yes, in order to prevent stirring up of trouble, which is more about thugs than genuine football fans. Is this massively restricting other duties ? No.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Actually if you ring the police you will find quite often they will tell you they are busy and will be back in touch. Burglary and car theft being the usual examples.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"I took my 2 kids to watch fulham last year and I went to the family section and the abuse I heard about qpr fans was vile ! After 20 minutes I left the stadium and complained and was told its only banter ! I now take my kids to rugby instead and ive heard no abuse and fans have a good laugh with each other and my kids are safe ! Football hang your head in shame and learn from rugby !"

(unless its league!!! lol)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Very true Bobby, however there are massive resources tied up in all sorts of complex matters that the general public have no concept of...or the media.

I'm sorry you feel stereotyped, that's not nice, but as I said earlier, the impact of monitoring such matters will probably have zero impact on genuine fans I believe.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

You will have a good time at Rugby. You and the ten or eleven hooray henrys who attend.Rugby crowds for league games. One man and his dog.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There seems to be a flawed logic to suggest police resources are so limited they should not promote an initiative aimed at preventing crime…..

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"You will have a good time at Rugby. You and the ten or eleven hooray henrys who attend.Rugby crowds for league games. One man and his dog."

i'd rather sit with 12,000 well behaved people than 80,000 people who cant handle their drink nd cant control their gobs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You will have a good time at Rugby. You and the ten or eleven hooray henrys who attend.Rugby crowds for league games. One man and his dog."

Unfortunately you're argument against stereotyping of fans kind of crashes and burns with that comment.

I've played rugby and support it, and you couldn't be further from the truth. In any case, being a hooray Henry isn't a crime is it ?

Soxy makes perfect sense with his comment.

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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago

harrow

I have a hell of a lot to say on this matter...and I don't care if it upsets the pc brigade..

First of all I have been to football games through Europe and England both with my club, and country. Have I seen any violence, twice maybe.....and the main one was wolves vs west brom circa 99/00. I am an England fans member and united season ticket holder.

Lets deal with the online banter first...do I dish out banter to players..yes..do I dish out banter to other famous supporters of other clubs yes, do I receive banter photos jokes about my club. Yes. I am a mature adult and I know the difference between football banter and personal.

Now going back to football thuggery, being I travel with England away...I am actually police checked and my passport is checked to see if I am on a banning order. I am not. When England travel abroad we are not only checked at the airport, ESP Luton, but also have british police with us when arrive in host country. On top of that we often have to collect tickets from the fa in the Host country as well.

I have never been involved in football violence, do I dish out the odd wanker sign or shout rent boy or tell an apposing player they are fat...of course

....it is part and parcel of the game.

Sometimes I feel that people only see what the media portrays about us football fans.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Lighten up cousteau it was a tongue in cheek comment.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

As for the bad language at matches. I don't like it but I hear it everywhere now.Societal problem.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Erm where did I say I wanted football fans exempted from monitoring? I want everyone treated the same.99.9% of football never get involved in trouble."

That figure may or may not be accurate (I dunno) bit 0.1% of football fans is quite a big number AND football fans, well behaved or otherwise, are quite easily identified.

Strathclyde Police, before they were bastardised into Police Scotland, calculated the relationship between defeat at football and domestic violence , acted in anticipation of potential trouble and reduced domestic violence quite considerably.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

At Mikec. They want to believe it. Makes them feel somehow superior to us ruffians.we get treated like shit at football but nobody cares. If this was any other group they would be up in arms.pc hypocrites.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Gents, ill bow out on this one as were going round in circles.

My point has been that, genuine footie fans are no problem. Thugs purporting to be be fans causing problems are.

Violence has reduced....that's good. Its only the media suggesting that you're all being monitored by big brother.

Bobby....I'm lightened up, no offence taken, I'm not a hooray Henry I'm a Welshman.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Christ Almighty now football is being blamed for domestic abuse! Fucking hell that's a classic.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

".............

Meanwhile supporters in Glasgow have been kettled for organising an "illegals march" where about 50 fans walked together from a pub to the ground!

.............."

I had resisted mentioning this but it's worth pointing out there were far more than 50 (check the youtube vids).

An indication of the power certain sections of football clubs' fanbase have is the decision to reverse the sanctions placed on that section of the crowd at one Glasgow football stadium.

It seems a couple of hundred 'fans' dictate football club policy.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"At Mikec. They want to believe it. Makes them feel somehow superior to us ruffians.we get treated like shit at football but nobody cares. If this was any other group they would be up in arms.pc hypocrites."

i believe that there are well behaved football fans but what we are discussing is abusive ones online, you cant deny that they exist can you?

i worked at the old wembley for a man city game. thankfuly i was moved to work in the galler because down on the oncourse th fans decided to riot, tryng to steal the tills from the concession stands etc

i also worked for the rugby league final down on the concourse and there was not one scrap of trouble. even had fans of both teams discussing infringements and who should have scored what try etc

same alcohol rules applied to both games - draw your own conclusions.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Christ Almighty now football is being blamed for domestic abuse! Fucking hell that's a classic."

Not only classic but absolutely true.

In "Domestic Violence and Football in Glasgow: Are Reference Points Relevant? " from Dec 2012, Alex Dickson, Colin Jennings and Gary Koop at University of Strathclyde found

"This paper contributes to this literature using a new data set containing every domestic

violence incident in Glasgow over a period of more than eight years. We

fi nd that Old Firm matches, where Glasgow rivals Celtic and Rangers

play, are associated with large increases in domestic violence (regardless of the timing or the outcome of the match)"

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Not denying theire are football fans who post abuse online. My point is that many people use the internet for far more nefarious purposes(although online abuse is horrible).I would rather the police monitored them more closely. Why pick out football fans above many other groups?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But surely it’s a rather arrogant assumption on behalf of any individual “football fan/ player etc” to suggest that just because the issues the police are choosing to target do not effect them on a personal level that every other “football fan/ player etc” must feel the same as them.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

So by your logic _nny ban football and domestic violence will drop.I give up. I honestly do.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Not sure of your point Soxy.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Not sure of your point Soxy."

basically you cant speak for all football fans

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not denying theire are football fans who post abuse online. My point is that many people use the internet for far more nefarious purposes(although online abuse is horrible).I would rather the police monitored them more closely. Why pick out football fans above many other groups?"

How do you know they aren't monitoring them more closely?

It's very simple to monitor things online, they look for key words etc. the way I see it the football community has been warned that they are expected to clean up their act, why is that a bad thing?

If you're a footy fan and doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about, if you are using racist, homophobic or sexist abuse either online or at the games you deserve what ever punishment you get, regardless.

I lived on a street next you Edgeley Park (Stockport FC & Sale Sharks play there) the difference between the two sets of fans was staggering. So in my book this latest thing is a good move because football is so popular in the UK it needs to sort it's self out

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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago

harrow

i believe that there are well behaved football fans but what we are discussing is abusive ones online, you cant deny that they exist can you?

i also worked for the rugby league final down on the concourse and there was not one scrap of trouble. even had fans of both teams discussing infringements and who should have scored what try etc

same alcohol rules applied to both games - draw your own conclusions."

Those city fans should be locked up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not sure of your point Soxy."

Reading through the thread the argument against the police targeting football related antisocial behaviour seem not only poorly constructed and fundamentally flawed it appears based on nothing more than selfish opinion rather than any genuine concern about the victims and vulnerable members of society who suffer because of a tolerance of moronic behaviour....

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"So by your logic _nny ban football and domestic violence will drop.I give up. I honestly do."

Once again you're engaging fingers before using brain.

That's not what I said.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Just a thought.

Is truth an absolute defence to an accusation of abuse?

If, for example, a voice from the terraces describes a certain player as 'a wee, baldy heidit ****' and that player is, in fact, short of stature, blessed with a very wide centre parting and prefers sexual partners of his own gender - is that abusive?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Just a thought.

Is truth an absolute defence to an accusation of abuse?

i dont know what heidit means but i think intent comes into it.....if the intention in observation then no need for swearing (taking **** as a swear word). if the intent was to offend, humiliate or antagonise then its abusive.

remember as well in this day and age the recipient doesnt need to find it offensive for it to be considered so, all those hearing or reading it can find it offensive and you can be in as much trouble

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

heidit = headed.

**** isn't a sweary word but it's probably not normally a term of endearment either.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"With match day arrests down over 12 %

Police have now said they are targeting fans online

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23796712

While I don't tolerate online racism and abuse

I do feel that once again it's so easy for the "football fan" to be targeted

If ever there was a group of people that were stereotyped badly ... Football fans have to be up there

The police are targetting online abuse.

No abuse. No cautions , No charges , No arrests....

Where's the problem ?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"With match day arrests down over 12 %

Police have now said they are targeting fans online

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23796712

While I don't tolerate online racism and abuse

I do feel that once again it's so easy for the "football fan" to be targeted

If ever there was a group of people that were stereotyped badly ... Football fans have to be up there

The police are targetting online abuse.

No abuse. No cautions , No charges , No arrests....

Where's the problem ?"

You wonder just how effective it can be.

If, for example, it were easy (or even possible) to track down criminals or potential criminals from their online presence - you'd think, given the world's obsession with money and the combined resources of the planet's law enforcement agencies + the banks etc, that identity theft, phishing etc would have been eliminated by now.

Last I looked, it hadn't.

That said, there will always be those who go out of their way to make themselves easy to catch but they're probably not the ones we have to worry about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just find it mildly amusing that we have a situation here where some people defending an unrestricted tolerance to online barracking find their own sensibilities offended by the opinions of those who find their view unacceptable.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

.......... not forgetting stereotyping by those who complain about being stereotyped

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I just find it mildly amusing that we have a situation here where some people defending an unrestricted tolerance to online barracking find their own sensibilities offended by the opinions of those who find their view unacceptable.

Has the freedom of speech tome been trolled out yet ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

".......... not forgetting stereotyping by those who complain about being stereotyped

haha,,,,, OMG for me the most hurtful thing about being stereotyped would be the cruel irony diminishing all my efforts to stand out from the crowd...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What about rugby ? Cricket ? Etcetera

Since the hooliganism in the 80's and thatchers clamp down on "a British diseases" football fans have become an easy target

You only have to look at wembley

Rugby fans can drink in their seats

Football fans can't !

Are their plastic glasses much less dangerous??

I happily take them to rugby.

I realise that not all football fans are bad however they rid still a large element who give the others a bad name.

Total agreement using rugby as example both league and union mix before during and after game rarely do you get trouble.

My theory is with rugby the aggression is on pitch played hard and of a player stays on ground they are genuinely injured unlike the footy players who roll around as if shot even if no contact made.

Until such time soccer fans can be trusted to mix then segregation has to continue. Behave like animals be treated like animals.

As said the minority give rest bad name but fans have to take responsibility and shop anyone involved in trouble as only way to address the issue.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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agreed..

same with the 'its the pc brigade' who have killed 'free speech'..

usually spouted by someone whose viewpoint is still in the Victorian era..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Has the freedom of speech tome been trolled out yet ?"

Gwanny.... perhaps comfortable silence should be viewed with suspicion too….

I mean gawd only knows what criminal intent is lurking within the minds of the quiet ones…

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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago

folkestone

"What about rugby ? Cricket ? Etcetera

Since the hooliganism in the 80's and thatchers clamp down on "a British diseases" football fans have become an easy target

You only have to look at wembley

Rugby fans can drink in their seats

Football fans can't !

Are their plastic glasses much less dangerous??

I happily take them to rugby.

I realise that not all football fans are bad however they rid still a large element who give the others a bad name.

Total agreement using rugby as example both league and union mix before during and after game rarely do you get trouble.

My theory is with rugby the aggression is on pitch played hard and of a player stays on ground they are genuinely injured unlike the footy players who roll around as if shot even if no contact made.

Until such time soccer fans can be trusted to mix then segregation has to continue. Behave like animals be treated like animals.

As said the minority give rest bad name but fans have to take responsibility and shop anyone involved in trouble as only way to address the issue."

Football fans do mix in most non league games. I went to a game last week and had a pint while talking to a opposition fan. Ive been to championship games and been in the same pub and chatted to away fans.

Football isn't as bad as it's made out to be and rugby isn't as perfect as it's made out to be(care to remember the Hull v Hull KR violence a few years ago?).

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