FabSwingers.com forum: tv licence

By *wingerdelight OP Couple
over a year ago

eastliegh

is it out of date?

do you even use bbc services?

is it a monopoly?

personaly i cant think of the last thing i watched on the bbc, there is better out there, if icould opt out then i would

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mines due end of month 145 :50p and don't watch council tv only sky.....

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By *wingerdelight OP Couple
over a year ago

eastliegh

"Mines due end of month 145 :50p and don't watch council tv only sky....."

but youstill have to pay

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To be honest I would pay my t.v. licence just for my moto gp coverage and top gear.. also loads of other things I'm watching.

Why did it get referred to as council t.v... Guess someone thinks there a bit above others

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To be honest I would pay my t.v. licence just for my moto gp coverage and top gear.. also loads of other things I'm watching.

Why did it get referred to as council t.v... Guess someone thinks there a bit above others"

Not at all its a term we use and have always used but sweetie that is your opinion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Mines due end of month 145 :50p and don't watch council tv only sky.....

but youstill have to pay"

yes still have to pay

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why did it get referred to as council t.v... Guess someone thinks there a bit above others

Not at all its a term we use and have always used but sweetie that is your opinion

Please don't sweetie me.. and I just find it a little condescending... I watch BBC as to be honest it has plenty on I enjoy..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why did it get referred to as council t.v... Guess someone thinks there a bit above others

Not at all its a term we use and have always used but sweetie that is your opinion

Please don't sweetie me.. and I just find it a little condescending... I watch BBC as to be honest it has plenty on I enjoy.. "

Like I said your opinion and glad you enjoy it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

outdated and should be scrapped and make the beeb make there money through advertising like itv have to do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"is it out of date?

do you even use bbc services?

is it a monopoly?

personaly i cant think of the last thing i watched on the bbc, there is better out there, if icould opt out then i would"

If you don't view any BBC services or watch any live BBC broadcasts then I do not believe you need a license. You can own a TV for purely watching movies on or playing consoles on.

You will however be harassed by the BBC into paying one. I have followed a thread on another forum regarding this. You can call up and inform the license people you do not use the services but even then people get sent letters threatening court proceedings etc.

Conclusion is though bin the letters and if a TV license person comes a knocking simply say 'I do not wish to disclose any information to you' shut the door and go about your daily business. There are videos on youtube of this very thing happening.

It is a license that we are all pretty made to feel we HAVE to have when in fact we don't.

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By *atasha_DavidCouple
over a year ago

Slough

What do you call the thing that sticks out of the side of a chavs house?

A sky dish

An old joke reproduced here simply for journalistic balance SWEETIE lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't have one, nor will i be getting one anytime soon. My tv is rigged up to a dvd player, but there is no aerial socket in the room. I'll happily show the bbc man when he knocks on the door. TV has so little on offer for me personally that i'd rather catch up later on the internet if i feel the need.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What do you call the thing that sticks out of the side of a chavs house?

A sky dish

An old joke reproduced here simply for journalistic balance SWEETIE lol"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't have one, nor will i be getting one anytime soon. My tv is rigged up to a dvd player, but there is no aerial socket in the room. I'll happily show the bbc man when he knocks on the door. TV has so little on offer for me personally that i'd rather catch up later on the internet if i feel the need."

If you access t.v. via the internet you still need one apparently.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the BBC is great value for money, I pity the people who waste their money buying overpriced IPTV services which still have adverts. BBC don't just fund TV and radio, amongst other things they more or less control freeview which has THE most watched and popular channels, providing those people who cannot afford to be tied to a TV contact and aren't silly enough to pay over inflated prices for fairly average channels. they provide educational material, not just limited broadcasting. I think it's wonderful not to be inundated with constant adverts tbh. and quite frankly those who say they don't watch any of the programmes they make are talking nonsense. not all productions that are made in the BBC are actually for the BBC. many of the non BBC production companies use the facilities as well. including sky.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you access t.v. via the internet you still need one apparently. "

As i understand it that only applies if i access tv "live" as it's being broadcast, which i never do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you access t.v. via the internet you still need one apparently. "

I believe this is only if you watch the broadcast on your computer at the same time as it is being broadcast on TV.

For example if you just use iplayer to catch up on a programs that were first broadcast a few days earlier you don't require the license. Something like that.

I do have a license but sometimes wonder why as I rarely watch TV and wouldn't miss it if I did unplug it from the aerial. I'm definitely not someone who gets there monies worth from it

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By *wingerdelight OP Couple
over a year ago

eastliegh

"the BBC is great value for money, I pity the people who waste their money buying overpriced IPTV services which still have adverts. BBC don't just fund TV and radio, amongst other things they more or less control freeview which has THE most watched and popular channels, providing those people who cannot afford to be tied to a TV contact and aren't silly enough to pay over inflated prices for fairly average channels. they provide educational material, not just limited broadcasting. I think it's wonderful not to be inundated with constant adverts tbh. and quite frankly those who say they don't watch any of the programmes they make are talking nonsense. not all productions that are made in the BBC are actually for the BBC. many of the non BBC production companies use the facilities as well. including sky."

we have sky plus and always watch recorded things so havnt seen a advert in years,and yes itcosts alot, but we get some great channels, so dont mind paying, but never watch bbc so why should i pay for it, atleast with sky you have a choice what to pay for

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you access t.v. via the internet you still need one apparently.

As i understand it that only applies if i access tv "live" as it's being broadcast, which i never do."

Yes but if you have the ability to watch it live then you have to pay.

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By *atasha_DavidCouple
over a year ago

Slough

"is it out of date?"

As out of date as free education to all or health care free at the point of delivery.

"do you even use bbc services?"

Directly often as I generally prefer their output to that of ITV. Indirectly all the time, as most of my households viewing is via catchup services which would not have come in to existence without the licence fee funded research of the BBC. My childrens education is supported and enhanced by the innovative work of BBC education, GCSE Bitesize is an essential free resource for school students.

"is it a monopoly?"

It is the only broadcaster in the UK funded by government money but it has no monopoly on content and is legally restrained in its commercial activities.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes but if you have the ability to watch it live then you have to pay. "

This is where it is wrong and where I think the BBC use bullying tactics. Who says I can't have a TV in my lounge that is unplugged from the aerial. Isn't it my choice if I want to climb up and physically remove the aerial from the chimney?

Just because you have the facilities there doesn't mean you have to use them and it isn't right that the BBC can harass you because of this in my opinion.

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By *est coast manMan
over a year ago

Workington

Not had one for 5 yrs

Told them not to come mocking at my door again in writing

Had a few letters and a guy knocked

So I marched him down my path

Very quickly

Not herd nothing off them in 18 months

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By *atasha_DavidCouple
over a year ago

Slough

"personaly i cant think of the last thing i watched on the bbc, there is better out there, if icould opt out then i would"

Local radio? Websites? And should contribution to the social infrastructure be based on personal value for money?

If you have no children and feel no need for any more education should you be able to opt out of contributing to the education service?

Who then funds the education of Doctors, Scientists and Engineers who keep you safe and well etc?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A bit interested in the idea that people don't need BBC as they watch it on catchup?

Also some funding for channel 4 comes from license fee.

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By *wingerdelight OP Couple
over a year ago

eastliegh

"personaly i cant think of the last thing i watched on the bbc, there is better out there, if icould opt out then i would

Local radio? Websites? And should contribution to the social infrastructure be based on personal value for money?

If you have no children and feel no need for any more education should you be able to opt out of contributing to the education service?

Who then funds the education of Doctors, Scientists and Engineers who keep you safe and well etc?"

so if i brought in a mobile phone tax to use my services even if you didnt use them would you pay it? its the same thing

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By *wingerdelight OP Couple
over a year ago

eastliegh

anyway its got a bit off topic, if you could have bbc channels blocked and save the fee,would you, we would in a heart beat, i think you should be able to

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By *atasha_DavidCouple
over a year ago

Slough

"Yes but if you have the ability to watch it live then you have to pay.

Just because you have the facilities there doesn't mean you have to use them and it isn't right that the BBC can harass you because of this in my opinion."

Errr actually the licence is for equipment capable of receiving signals not the act of doing so

http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one

A TV Licence is not just for TV sets

Watching TV on the internet

You need to be covered by a licence if you watch TV online at the same time as it's being broadcast on conventional TV in the UK or the Channel Islands.

Video recorders and digital recorders like Sky+

You need a licence if you record TV as it's broadcast, whether that's on a conventional video recorder or digital box.

Mobile phones

A licence covers you to watch TV as it's broadcast on a mobile phone, whether you're at home or out and about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think its ok to be honest some folk like to moan for sake of it. The dramas for example luther and waking the dead make it good value.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"anyway its got a bit off topic, if you could have bbc channels blocked and save the fee,would you, we would in a heart beat, i think you should be able to"

But you can. You simply stop paying your license and inform them you are not using their services. You do not have to let anyone onto your property to check you do this and you do not have to pass over any information to them, you don't even need to confirm your name if they ask.

If you really wanted to settle your mind just go into the manual tuning options on your TV and un-tune all of the BBC stations

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By *un_JuiceCouple
over a year ago

Nr Chester

"is it out of date?

do you even use bbc services?

is it a monopoly?

personaly i cant think of the last thing i watched on the bbc, there is better out there, if icould opt out then i would

If you don't view any BBC services or watch any live BBC broadcasts then I do not believe you need a license. You can own a TV for purely watching movies on or playing consoles on.

It is a license that we are all pretty made to feel we HAVE to have when in fact we don't."

No doubt you,ll be corrected by the panel of experts we have but YES that is correct.

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By *wingerdelight OP Couple
over a year ago

eastliegh

"anyway its got a bit off topic, if you could have bbc channels blocked and save the fee,would you, we would in a heart beat, i think you should be able to

If you really wanted to settle your mind just go into the manual tuning options on your TV and un-tune all of the BBC stations

im not sure its that easy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes but if you have the ability to watch it live then you have to pay.

Just because you have the facilities there doesn't mean you have to use them and it isn't right that the BBC can harass you because of this in my opinion.

Errr actually the licence is for equipment capable of receiving signals not the act of doing so

http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one

A TV Licence is not just for TV sets

Watching TV on the internet

You need to be covered by a licence if you watch TV online at the same time as it's being broadcast on conventional TV in the UK or the Channel Islands.

Video recorders and digital recorders like Sky+

You need a licence if you record TV as it's broadcast, whether that's on a conventional video recorder or digital box.

Mobile phones

A licence covers you to watch TV as it's broadcast on a mobile phone, whether you're at home or out and about. "

Yes, that was my point. Why should someone be harassed to purchase a license just because they have the equipment? Just because the equipment and capabilities are there it doesn't mean they are used.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Match of the day (and World Cup coverage), the Olympics coverage, wimbledon, the open, Top gear, Ski Sunday, BBC news, the world service, radio 1,2,4 and 5, children's educational tv, Dr Who (yes that's right, Dr Who)... Several reasons why the Beeb are great. Granted it needs a shake up and a lot of money is going to be spent paying off victims of savillegate, but it's still value for money and ad free.

As for the need of a license.. When you purchase a tv the company has to send a form to a government office with your details. You must have written permission if you only use your tv for DVD's or gaming, otherwise you are liable to a fine. Of your console is connected to a tv and the Internet and is able to stream tv, you must have a license (or permission as above).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"is it out of date?

do you even use bbc services?

is it a monopoly?

personaly i cant think of the last thing i watched on the bbc, there is better out there, if icould opt out then i would"
no matter what you

if u watch tv on any other station you need a license

also watching tv on line

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By *atasha_DavidCouple
over a year ago

Slough

so if i brought in a mobile phone tax to use my services even if you didnt use them would you pay it? its the same thing"

sorry are yo asking whether I would agree to a levy being placed on everybody to support the mobile phone service provided to you even if those taxed were not mobile phone users? If that is your question then no, but there is no societal benefit to you having a mobile phone. But if a small part of my tax bill was used to provide mobile phone or internet coverage to rural communities for instance then yes. Oh wait, that happens already!

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By *atasha_DavidCouple
over a year ago

Slough

If you really wanted to settle your mind just go into the manual tuning options on your TV and un-tune all of the BBC stations

im not sure its that easy"

It is if you use a well educated engineer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is that a genuine hatred for Sky or is it a hatred that you can't afford it?

Personally I think the structure is well worked. If you want it. Pay for it. If you don't then don't.

Simple

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Match of the day (and World Cup coverage), the Olympics coverage, wimbledon, the open, Top gear, Ski Sunday, BBC news, the world service, radio 1,2,4 and 5, children's educational tv, Dr Who (yes that's right, Dr Who)... Several reasons why the Beeb are great. Granted it needs a shake up and a lot of money is going to be spent paying off victims of savillegate, but it's still value for money and ad free.

Whilst I'm not disputing that some of the coverage is great what about those who simply aren't interested and don't use that service?

The OP is saying they don't need the BBC stations and wouldn't miss them so why do they require a license if they wouldn't use the services?

Your last statements where you require written permission to only use your TV for DVD's or gaming is the bit that is stupid. Who provides this written permission? Also so what if a console is connected to the internet and has the possibility to stream. It doesn't mean it is used for that purpose.

This is why I feel bully type tactics are used to make people feel like they should simply pay up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is that a genuine hatred for Sky or is it a hatred that you can't afford it?

Personally I think the structure is well worked. If you want it. Pay for it. If you don't then don't.

Simple"

no hatred at all. just think for the equivalent of around 40p a day, the BBC is excellent value fort money and the lack of advertising is great. take the CBBC channels, if you compare them to what's offered elsewhere, the lack of adverts is a blessing. advertising on children's channels is disgusting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you access t.v. via the internet you still need one apparently.

As i understand it that only applies if i access tv "live" as it's being broadcast, which i never do."

Think that if the tv is capable of picking up BBC ( which all TVs are ) you have to have a licence. Not having a arial socket dosnt count as you can use indoor arial. Also a portion of fee is for radio so you would have to prove you don't listen to any BBC radio. Sorry

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The OP is saying they don't need the BBC stations and wouldn't miss them so why do they require a license if they wouldn't use the services?

Urgh! I don't make things up because I am bored. The OP needs a license because its law. Should it be law is up for debate but currently you need to pay.

You may feel having written permission is stupid (a bit harsh to be honest). There is an address on your reminder that you can write to. It protects you from the "bullying" though they are not easy to obtain. I only know this because I have an employee who doesn't watch TV because of religious views (theres another topic to discuss right there) and have seen theirs, so a big fat raspberry to you!!

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Would you agree to pay for a Gov't owned newspaper just bacause you have a letterbox it could be delivered through? Same priciple. And actually I object very strongly to having to fund compensation for child sex abuse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Would you agree to pay for a Gov't owned newspaper just bacause you have a letterbox it could be delivered through? Same priciple. And actually I object very strongly to having to fund compensation for child sex abuse."

But don't your taxes fund criminal compensation anyway ?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

".....And actually I object very strongly to having to fund compensation for child sex abuse."

A wee explanation of that wouldn't go amiss.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If people don't watch or listen to any content provided by or developed by the BBC then I think they shouldn't have to pay for it.

Of course, that means you'd struggle in general to listen to a lot of music.

For example, although I never enjoyed his show, if it wasn't for John Peel, we wouldn't have had quite a few bands be as successful as they are, what about tv series which are developed by bbc, Blackadder, not the nine o'clock news etc. I think people like to moan about the BBC but, I suspect those same people moan about quite a bit in life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well firstly we all have to pay it because it's the law. If you don't watch the BBC then that is no excuse, you have to pay it if you have any kind of device that can watch/listen to their broadcasts which includes mobile phones or according to the reminders I get, any kind of device. Seeing I have a nail clipper device, then presumably I need a TV Licence to cut my nails!

However they don't have many powers. They cannot insist on entering your home, they have to rely on what you tell them, which if you tell them nothing then they're fucked.

I haven't bought a licence in years. I hate Socialist propaganda so I'm not paying for the shite that they spew out & I hate nonces too, so I don't want to fund that either. I also resent them over-paying themselves massive "golden goodbyes" like it's some sort of right of theirs to do so on balance, they can take a running jump! I also notice that the good ship UKIP is wanting to abolish the right for the BBC to prosecute non-payers. Seeing that 10% of our court cases are BBC prosecutions, & most are single Mothers, that is a great idea

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

".....And actually I object very strongly to having to fund compensation for child sex abuse.

A wee explanation of that wouldn't go amiss."

I guess it has to do with the compensation that the BEEB will be paying out to victims of its stars in the 70's and 80's who are being convicted of sex crimes. The money has to come from somewhere but relax, you won't be funding anything.

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By *ordonBennettMan
over a year ago

dover

This is quoted directly from the TV License website and does not make any mention of specifically watching BBC television:-

"The law states that you need to be covered by a TV Licence if you watch or record television programmes, on any device, as they're being shown on TV. This includes TVs, computers, mobile phones, games consoles, digital boxes and Blu-ray/DVD/VHS recorders.

You don't need a licence if you don't use any of these devices to watch or record television programmes as they're being shown on TV - for example, if you use your TV only to watch DVDs or play video games, or you only watch ‘catch up’ services like BBC iPlayer or 4oD."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Urgh! I don't make things up because I am bored. The OP needs a license because its law. Should it be law is up for debate but currently you need to pay.

Sorry I am not directly attacking you as a person, I think it is a stupid requirement that you need written permission to be exempt from purchasing a license.

I've not come across how I want to either. I know it is the law that you must have a TV license if you own any type of equipment that you can view broadcasts on. My point is why is this the case? why are the BBC allowed to bully people into purchasing a license purely because they own a TV, or a mobile phone, or a games console that happens to be plugged into the net? Owning those items doesn't mean that they use the live broadcast services.

Sorry if I came across that the OP simply didn't require a license because they don't watch live broadcasts I just think that the whole if you have equipment that can 'potentially' broadcast live TV is not a good enough reason to force someone to purchase a license.

I happen to like raspberries

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you don't pay for a tv license, you're a moron. It's £120 a year for thousands of hours of content across tv/radio/internet. Whether you watch it or not thats a fucking good deal. You pay more than that to Sky for it's basic packages.

And lets not forget that bastion of honesty and propriety Rupert Murdoch owns Sky and controlling interest in ITV. He's been calling for scrapping of or redistribution of the license fee for years now. Because he is the uber capitalist and all your money must belong to him.

Personally I can't think of a more hellish thing than all channels being like Sky1 or ITV, 150 channels of simon cowell or ant n dec gives me the screaming arsehole.

And you're paying because you own the receiving equipment, regardless of whether you're watching the channels. So if you own a telly and you don't pay you are breaking the law. That macho idiot above who marched the tv inspector down his garden path, one day he'll be back with a summons and you'll be hit for the cost of the license for all the years they've had you on file. You can try the "I don't watch BBC defense" and see how long it takes a barely competent lawyer to piss all over you. Because if you've watched any channel the chances are you've watched a programme that's got some BBC money in it somewhere. You're no better than people who drive uninsured or untaxed.

If you stopped spending so much money and fags, booze and pay per view porn you could afford the £12 a month and drop a couple of places on the cockend-o-meter.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

I'd pay the £14x a year for Radio 4 alone.

Does the BBC still pump money into football?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you don't pay for a tv license, you're a moron. It's £120 a year for thousands of hours of content across tv/radio/internet. Whether you watch it or not thats a fucking good deal. You pay more than that to Sky for it's basic packages.

Personally I can't think of a more hellish thing than all channels being like Sky1 or ITV, 150 channels of simon cowell or ant n dec gives me the screaming arsehole.

If you stopped spending so much money and fags, booze and pay per view porn you could afford the £12 a month and drop a couple of places on the cockend-o-meter."

Bit harsh! Whilst I do pay for one if you don't pay for one it doesn't mean you're a moron. I don't have sky either, I don't really watch much TV at all as I said earlier. Please explain to me how it can be a 'good deal' if you pay £120 a year and use none of the live broadcast services

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

I doubt we'll ever get the numpties to fess up but I wonder how much they spend over a year in entries to ITV competitions, voting for shite like Strictly, Big Brother, that jungle thing, BGT and so much more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally I can't think of a more hellish thing than all channels being like Sky1 or ITV, 150 channels of simon cowell or ant n dec gives me the screaming arsehole.

If you stopped spending so much money and fags, booze and pay per view porn you could afford the £12 a month and drop a couple of places on the cockend-o-meter."

As well as paying a £1000 fine ( £2000 in guernsey and £500 in jersey ) and before its stated that I'm not going to pay because you can't be jailed for mon payment of tv licence you can be for non payment of fines

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By *hoosy_strumpetCouple
over a year ago

W S AREA

Well i think its great!, BBC 4 will be on in an hour and a half and we can watch the world news, now were else can you find programming like that!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So you don't watch live broadcast, assume that means Iplayer then or some such service? Money for that has to come from somewhere or do the pixies make it. So at no point do you watch any bbc content at all then? Really? Reeeeeally?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd pay the £14x a year for Radio 4 alone.

Does the BBC still pump money into football?"

I'd pay that just for 6:30 every day and one session of news during the day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

On a side note, where can I get a cockendometer?

;-)

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

............. So at no point do you watch any bbc content at all then? Really? Reeeeeally?

So much stuff we take for granted has BBC money in it and much of it wouldn't happen, or wouldn't be affordable were it not for Auntie.

There's no question some stuff needs reviewed - salaries for a start and the almost automatic awarding of some jobs to certain 'personalities' but let's not throw the baby out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seriously can you even read? This isn't about me! I have stated TWICE that I pay for a license now.

You do not require a license to watch catch up TV which includes iPlayer. Those are the rules as set by the TV license agency.

Just because you do watch live broadcasts it doesn't mean that everyone else in the UK does that owns a TV or has an aerial attached to their property. I'm just saying it is these people that end up getting harassed / bullied by the TV licensing agency with threats of court etc which I don't agree with.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"On a side note, where can I get a cockendometer?

;-)"

I, like many other 1st year engineering students, used a micrometer for this purpose.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm overjoyed that part of my licence fee is paying compensation to Jimmy Savile's victims. The Peruvian nose-flute hour on BBC Radio Clacton is worth the £120 per year alone.

Yes, I have better things to do in my life than watching "thousands of hours of content across tv/radio/internet" like a moron

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over a year ago

"I'm overjoyed that part of my licence fee is paying compensation to Jimmy Savile's victims. The Peruvian nose-flute hour on BBC Radio Clacton is worth the £120 per year alone.

Yes, I have better things to do in my life than watching "thousands of hours of content across tv/radio/internet" like a moron

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bit harsh! Whilst I do pay for one if you don't pay for one it doesn't mean you're a moron."

Not at all. I hate Socialist propaganda, I hate nonces & I hate greedy BBC managers who pay themselves hundreds of thousands a year in a cushty job & then have their mates give them massive pay offs when they leave. Plenty of good reasons NOT to pay it. I suppose you being a TV then you'd be more inclined to pay it, but if others choose not to pay it, then you shouldn't call them Morons.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

""Bit harsh! Whilst I do pay for one if you don't pay for one it doesn't mean you're a moron."

Not at all. I hate Socialist propaganda, ..............."

You reckon Chris Patten presides over an organisation full of Socialist propaganda?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course he does. One of the wettest Tories ever! He's absolutely dripping wet!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's perfectly simple. It's the law. If you're not paying it and you own television receiving equipment you're breaking the law and a moron.

The problem with people as in some of the instances mentioned by previous posters is that they are not paying as some sort of moronic protest. They seem to see it as socking it to da man. When all they are doing is pushing us further towards commercial television on every channel and the dumbing down of content that ensues. TOWIE on every channel basically.

Prime example; I'm sat here watching Stereophonics in concert live, it's also being streamed across radio and the net. Earlier in the year I watched Glastonbury. This would be a pay per view extra in your commercial channel wet dream.

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over a year ago

"It's perfectly simple. It's the law. If you're not paying it and you own television receiving equipment you're breaking the law and a moron.

Actually you are incorrect. Someone posted further up the law and it states 'You don't need a licence if you don't use any of these devices to watch or record television programmes as they're being shown on TV - for example, if you use your TV only to watch DVDs or play video games, or you only watch ‘catch up’ services like BBC iPlayer or 4oD.'.

So even if you do have a TV you do not necessarily require a license.

I do agree that there are some people who don't pay through protest for whatever reason which is wrong but I myself am referring to those who do not use their televisions to view live broadcasts yet still get harassed in the forms of letters and threats of court.

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over a year ago

"Actually you are incorrect. Someone posted further up the law and it states 'You don't need a licence if you don't use any of these devices to watch or record television programmes as they're being shown on TV - for example, if you use your TV only to watch DVDs or play video games, or you only watch ‘catch up’ services like BBC iPlayer or 4oD.'.

So even if you do have a TV you do not necessarily require a license.

Actually I'm not wrong. You require the license just for owning the receiving equipment. Whether you watch televison or not, whether it's hooked up to an aerial or not. The license is for owning the receiver.

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

"It's perfectly simple. It's the law. If you're not paying it and you own television receiving equipment you're breaking the law and a moron.

if we lost the BBC,we would soon be sorry.

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over a year ago

So even if you do have a TV you do not necessarily require a license.

Not wrong at all if your set is capable of receiving BBC then you need a licence. And if you live in multi occupancy dwellings ie collage dorm, block etc etc every one needs one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

never had a telly, instead live life in stead of watching what others feed me. when was the last time you went for a walk by water at 7pm, and really saw real life in the grass and fields. that's life, not sitting on chairs and sofas aimed at a screen,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So even if you do have a TV you do not necessarily require a license.

Not wrong at all if your set is capable of receiving BBC then you need a licence. And if you live in multi occupancy dwellings ie collage dorm, block etc etc every one needs one "

alas if you have a tv, you are responsible for buying a license, if it has a plug on it, doesn't matter if you watch it or not.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Here's an idea. Why don't we all pay 5 times the current tv licence and fund commercial tv as well. Scrap the adverts too. That ok?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

The whole 'who needs one v who doesn't' is on http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one/

I hope that's an allowable link.

If not, please delete.

.................................

Elsewhere, the Torygraph tells us "The BBC was responsible for more than one in ten criminal prosecutions last year as the number of people taken to court for non payment of their television licence reached a new high."

"More than 180,000 people – almost 3,500 a week – appeared before the Magistrates Courts, accused of watching television without a valid £145.50 licence."

"Last year a total of 155,000 people were convicted of not having a valid licence and received a fine as a result.

But unlike the non-payment of utility bills and parking tickets which are treated as civil matters, those who refuse to pay the television licence receive a criminal record.

The maximum penalty for non-payment is a £1,000 fine, but anyone who refuses to pay, or is unable to pay the fine can end up in prison."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Adverts are great especially the ALDI ones

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't answer the door, they aren't allowed onto your property, and you can send a letter in writing to them stating you do not give them permission to come on to your property, which includes your pathway or driveway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have never had a tv licence on principal and yeh they can only enter ur house if u give them permission

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Don't answer the door, they aren't allowed onto your property, and you can send a letter in writing to them stating you do not give them permission to come on to your property, which includes your pathway or driveway"

As I said earlier, you may think you're getting one over on the man, but that man will eventually see you in court.

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over a year ago

"Actually I'm not wrong. You require the license just for owning the receiving equipment. Whether you watch televison or not, whether it's hooked up to an aerial or not. The license is for owning the receiver. "

I'm on the TV licensing site now. Nowhere does it say that? Not that I can see. If you pm me a link to the law that states this then I'll stand corrected. The statement I quoted is copy and pasted from the TV licensing site and it clearly states that if a TV is not used to watch or record programmes as they're being shown then the owner of that TV does not need a license.

Here is another statement from the site 'You need a valid TV Licence if you use TV receiving equipment to watch or record television programmes as they’re being shown on TV. ‘TV receiving equipment’ means any equipment which is used to watch or record television programmes as they're being shown on TV. This includes a TV, computer, mobile phone, games console, digital box, DVD/VHS recorder or any other device.'

I would like to point out it states if you 'USE' TV receiving equipment, not if you own it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well I got my 1st house 35yrs ago and never had 1 they need to get in your house to prove you have 1

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have never had a tv licence on principal and yeh they can only enter ur house if u give them permission "

Out of what principal the not paying for something you use principle? Or the let everyone else pay but I'm above it one ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

a TV and radio should be seen as essential, access to the news etc should not be paid for in such a way.

now opting to pay for ur receiving of entertainment shows etc, as many do via sky etc, is a much more fair approach

and this talk of the BBC being world class etc etc...I dunno if people know they actually make programmes that dont get aired in the UK...now isnt that fucking ridiculous??????

some might spout shite about rthe great olympic coverage?...I think it was mainly coverage..and not 'broadcasting'

There has been some great stuff,but to make it a compulsory licence fee?

so I think if i did the maths, they charge a licence fee AND actually advertise in certain shows(its pretty inescapable), and to be perfectly honest if we didnt have some adverts that reflect our lifestyles we'd be buying fuck all!

the only thing I dont like interrupted is films!

interrupt a fucking forced watching of eastenders omnibus's any time PLEASE!!!!

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By *plankyMan
over a year ago

Beeston

I don't pay the licence fee.

TV is mostly made on the cheap reality shows, merchandising and trivia - or else it's the same old repeats that remind me of when I used to have a telly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would like to point out it states if you 'USE' TV receiving equipment, not if you own it."

It would be up to the judge to decide whether you own a big fuck-off piece of electrical equipment, had it plugged into an aerial, sky dish or games console and never used it.

If you say you really have never used it to watch live broadcast tv of any sort then I commend you, but I suspect you'd be lying.

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By *reedy_for_funCouple
over a year ago

My House

BBC is the BEST. You can keep Murdochs rubbish. Rip off city.

Try to remember this the next time you worry about the license fee: ITV, C4, C5, S4C, BBC national and regional, local radio etc get money from your fee. C4/C5/S4C wouldn't exist without it. Even though they are 'private' companys, any short fall between advertising revenue and production costs are paid for by the license fee. ITC player, C4 catch-up/player were paid for and developed by the license fee.

Murdoch steals, hes a racist, bigot and pillock.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hands up if you've just found out that you no longer need a TV Licence.... Meeeeee!

About six months back, my telly gave up the ghost and, due to my work pattern, I have been watching BBC TV via i-player as I can watch what I want, when I want.

For reasons I won't divulge, the orf-oritees asked nicely if I would clarify my situation viz-a-viz my need for a license. THEY directed me to the tv licensing website to look through and decide, based on the information, if I still needed one.

The upshot is that, as I no longer watch live BBC TV - note: LIVE - I do not need to have a licence - and nor does anyone else who can prove they no longer watch any BBC television programmes live. I watch via i-player on my laptop, with no facility for live tv reception.

Interestingly, having a Sky box through which I listen to radio did NOT count!!

Just thought I'd throw that into the mix.

ted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hands up if you've just found out that you no longer need a TV Licence.... Meeeeee!

About six months back, my telly gave up the ghost and, due to my work pattern, I have been watching BBC TV via i-player as I can watch what I want, when I want.

Interestingly, having a Sky box through which I listen to radio did NOT count!!

Just thought I'd throw that into the mix.

ted."

Just be careful with iPlayer as I believe you can watch programs on that at the same time that they are broadcast, in which case you'd require a license. I think, but don't quote me, you need to wait for one hour after the live broadcast before you watch the program

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I admit I havent read the whole forum however this came up on a radio discussion recentlym the bbc are keeping it quiet as there are a growing number ( hundreds of thouaands) that are no longer paying for a licence.

It is not the having equipment you pay for its the watching live.

If you watch 1 second after a live broadcast you no longer need a licence.

So if you sky plus everything voila.

I dont have a licence havent done sonce the radio programme spilt the beans.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hands up if you've just found out that you no longer need a TV Licence.... Meeeeee!

About six months back, my telly gave up the ghost and, due to my work pattern, I have been watching BBC TV via i-player as I can watch what I want, when I want.

Interestingly, having a Sky box through which I listen to radio did NOT count!!

Just thought I'd throw that into the mix.

ted.

I asked TV Licensing to clarify what 'Live' meant and, due to the way i-player works, if a programme starts at 9pm and you start watching from 9.23pm 'from the point the programme is at at that point' then that is 'live'. In other words you watch the last 37 mins of the programme during it's original transmission. If, however, you start watching at 9.23pm from the start of the programme (ie. the 9pm start), that is NOT deemed to be 'live'. Why? You tell me.

Here's the other one - and with all the repeats on the dear old Beeb - if a programme goes out 'live' first on BBC4, say, on Monday and is repeated at the same time slot on, say, Weds, you can watch the repeat 'live' (

) in that slot and do NOT need a license as it was not the original live transmission.

Confused? I was. But that's what they said.... and I've kept the emails, just in case...

ted.

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By *o-jCouple
over a year ago

Outskirts of Notts

"Mines due end of month 145 :50p and don't watch council tv only sky....."

A friend of mine sold sky years ago and inner city and council estate were easy pickings .......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok I get that, but they still have only given an example and not actually stated a time that it takes for something to not be deemed 'live'. For example the program could air at 9pm and you start to watch it at 9:01pm with only 1min difference. I don't use iPlayer that much so I don't know how it works when something is broadcast live on it and then how long it takes before there is the option to play it as a non live program.

That second bit opens up a whole can of worms as that means people can have an aerial plugged into a TV to watch those re-runs. So what the hell is an inspector actually going to inspect based on what you've said? Surely they simply can't prosecute now based on equipment setup but have to look at whether you've recorded live broadcasts on any recording equipment present or you own up to watching live broadcasts to them.

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By *ngieandMrManCouple
over a year ago

hereford

personally I don't see that it should matter if its live, recorded, on catch up. The fact is the program that you are watching has been manufactured which cost a lot of money.

I dare say that if everyone paid as indeed they should the rest of us wouldn't have to pay so much.

In the end, with the ever increasing failure of people paying, for whatever reasons they may have, ultimately it will totally destroy the BBC.

I think it'll be a sad day when it does eventually collapse and you'll have nothing other than that which commercial enterprise chooses to force on you, with only their own gain as their only driving force.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"personally I don't see that it should matter if its live, recorded, on catch up. The fact is the program that you are watching has been manufactured which cost a lot of money.

I dare say that if everyone paid as indeed they should the rest of us wouldn't have to pay so much.

In the end, with the ever increasing failure of people paying, for whatever reasons they may have, ultimately it will totally destroy the BBC.

There is a lot in that although I can understand some not wanting to pay the licence fee. The reality is it subsidises what often start of as unfashionable programs. Without the bbc we would have a poorer selection of entertainment there would be less documentaries as they don't bring in advertising. Some however will still resent funding programs they don't want to watch.

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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago

harrow

The law is an ass.......

How many tv's can you get without an aerial socket.....none.

So if you have a tv with aerial you have to pay.

Also isn't there still black and white licence

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

looking at a particular comment on here i can see why some people enjoy bbc,,,lots of good kids programmes on bbc..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

what do you call that little box, at back of a sky dish?

a council house !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The law is an ass.......

How many tv's can you get without an aerial socket.....none.

So if you have a tv with aerial you have to pay."

No this is not true. You only have to pay the license if you use the equipment to view live broadcasts, not simply owning it.

"Also isn't there still black and white licence "

Yes the license is a lot cheaper for a black and white TV, only £49.00p

If you are blind have severely impaired sight then it is £72.75p for a colour TV or £24.50p for a black and white TV.

I find that last one a bit odd, though I do not know what they constitute as severely impaired vision. To me it is all you see is at most blurriness and no detail whatsoever. Not sure myself how that price difference is justified as the consumer in these cases will basically be listening to the TV. I'd need to see a picture of what the TV licensing agency believe people with severely impaired vision can see before passing final judgement as to whether it is or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To be honest I would pay my t.v. licence just for my moto gp coverage and top gear.. also loads of other things I'm watching.

Why did it get referred to as council t.v... Guess someone thinks there a bit above others

Not at all its a term we use and have always used but sweetie that is your opinion

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haha we call water that comes out the tap council pop in wales lol,,

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over a year ago

"To be honest I would pay my t.v. licence just for my moto gp coverage and top gear.. also loads of other things I'm watching.

Why did it get referred to as council t.v... Guess someone thinks there a bit above others

Not at all its a term we use and have always used but sweetie that is your opinion

haha we call water that comes out the tap council pop in wales lol,,"

So do we ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I could certainly do without a telly if it wasn't for the kids.

I used to teach ESOL and also citizenship (doesn't happen any more coz funding's dried up).

As part of citizenship I used to also always throw in the peculiarly British concept of the telly licence. And despite printing a pie chart off the BBC website breaking down how the licence fees are spent people from other places just view it as a another rip off tax and cannot get their heads round the concept of paying a licence to the BBC how ever much one explains that it's coz there's no adverts on it. IMAO it and the BBC are an yet one more outdated part of the nanny state.

Better stop before I start going on about the sort of people they employ and protect under their wing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ive never ever had one not had a telly for 2 years anyway ..use my laptop to watch stuff..tell them to go fuck themselves ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes i would pay it if it would be more people out of work if they scrapped it.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

The BBC is a world-leading broadcaster. It makes quality programmes shown throughout the world and bought by many other channels. Cheap at the cost I believe, and better than paying subscription to watch a shitload of reality, bought in US crap repeated ad nauseum over and over.

I have no problem paying the fee - and do so gladly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes i would pay it if it would be more people out of work if they scrapped it."

I think you've missed the point slightly. The OP was under the impression that even if they didn't watch live BBC broadcasts that they'd still require a license when in fact they don't.

You are basically saying that if you owned not TV, had no way to watch TV you'd pay for a TV license anyway to prevent people losing their jobs?

If you like to just give away your money that's cool, you can send some my way if you like

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would weigh in here, but in the last thread like this I was accused of being a TV Licensing 'narc' so I'm going to sit this one out.

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By *ngieandMrManCouple
over a year ago

hereford

I don't know if the legalities have been changed or not but while it is or was the case that you must have a license if you are in possession of equipment able to receive TV and or radio you have a choice...

Now if you choose to genuinely op-out of using any of the BBC services then you do not need a license and therefore you don't pay... fair enough BUT... you will ALWAYS pay for the commercial broadcasts if you make use of them or not because the cost of advertising is added to the cost of the goods you purchase. So its NOT the BBC that has the monopoly

And... if you do not pay the license fee and you do use any of the BBC media then you are a thief... you are taking goods/products without paying for them.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

I haven't bought a BMW so how do you work out I'm paying for that?

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over a year ago

Birmingham

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By *ngieandMrManCouple
over a year ago

hereford

"I haven't bought a BMW so how do you work out I'm paying for that?"

You just need to watch commercial TV, listen to commercial radio and then avoid buying anything they advertise

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Still not making sense. Never mind.

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By *opping_candyWoman
over a year ago

West Yorkshire

I don't own a TV and have never used my laptop to watch live TV as it is broadcast. I don't know what this written permission business is all about, all I had to do was go on the TV Licensing website and fill in an online declaration that I don't watch live TV.

If I do want to watch something, I have a Lovefilm Instant account which has lots of TV shows and films, and once in a blue moon I'll watch something on iplayer or 4OD.

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By *opping_candyWoman
over a year ago

West Yorkshire

"I could certainly do without a telly if it wasn't for the kids. "

Not sure I see the link... kids don't need TV.

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By *hris148Man
over a year ago

I LOVE THE BBC!!!

For the range of programmes on TV and then the radio choice, £145 is nothing compared to sky

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I could certainly do without a telly if it wasn't for the kids.

Not sure I see the link... kids don't need TV."

Of course they do. Tv is part of modern culture and an educational tool

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By *opping_candyWoman
over a year ago

West Yorkshire

"I could certainly do without a telly if it wasn't for the kids.

Not sure I see the link... kids don't need TV.

Of course they do. Tv is part of modern culture and an educational tool "

I must be doing something wrong then. Two super smart kids and no TV.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't have on that much and they were in on it when I had one that worked pants for over a year. I don't want and can't afford Sky and i don't think they ever don't want to come to mine coz i ain't got it (other place they spend time has, of course). Oldest (9) likes home improvement programmes (don't know why?) and they're both rather critical of the pap that's on (maybe I know where they got that trait from)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I could certainly do without a telly if it wasn't for the kids.

Not sure I see the link... kids don't need TV.

Of course they do. Tv is part of modern culture and an educational tool

I must be doing something wrong then. Two super smart kids and no TV. "

Because you have super smart kids does not mean kids don't need TV seems a sweeping statement to make

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By *opping_candyWoman
over a year ago

West Yorkshire

"I could certainly do without a telly if it wasn't for the kids.

Not sure I see the link... kids don't need TV.

Of course they do. Tv is part of modern culture and an educational tool

I must be doing something wrong then. Two super smart kids and no TV.

Because you have super smart kids does not mean kids don't need TV seems a sweeping statement to make"

And I don't see why kids NEED TV. Saying it is an educational tool is a sweeping statement - there's some educational stuff on TV and an awful lot of rubbish.

Besides I didn't say all children would be smart without TV so I don't see how I was making a sweeping statement. Just that my children have certainly not suffered for us not having one. If we want to watch a film then we watch it on the laptop for the duration of that film - then it goes off and we do something else. If we want to find a video on YouTube about volcanoes or dinosaurs or whatever it is they are eager to learn about, then we do that.

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over a year ago

"I could certainly do without a telly if it wasn't for the kids.

Not sure I see the link... kids don't need TV.

Of course they do. Tv is part of modern culture and an educational tool

I must be doing something wrong then. Two super smart kids and no TV.

Because you have super smart kids does not mean kids don't need TV seems a sweeping statement to make

And I don't see why kids NEED TV. Saying it is an educational tool is a sweeping statement - there's some educational stuff on TV and an awful lot of rubbish.

Not meaning to be argumentative but what about news and documentaries? Surely if you watch films on lap top and u tube for other stuff you may as well have TV? Agree that children can do without most of the crap on it but things like discovery,Eden and yesterday are worth watching . It's not all big brother and x factor

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

while I watch things like the walking dead, game of thrones and a few more..I've yet to watch anything of the quality these programmes offer on the BBC, even if they do have a 'quality' series its often six episodes and never seen again

and sorry I cant fucking stand doctor who or that shitty being human

I dont like soaps(like eastenders),music or dancing(or iceskating shows)

only reason I'd watch some bbc channels is for the some of the gorgeous animal documentaries

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over a year ago

Mine is due this month, if anyone would like to pay it for me?

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By *opping_candyWoman
over a year ago

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"I could certainly do without a telly if it wasn't for the kids.

Not sure I see the link... kids don't need TV.

Of course they do. Tv is part of modern culture and an educational tool

I must be doing something wrong then. Two super smart kids and no TV.

Because you have super smart kids does not mean kids don't need TV seems a sweeping statement to make

And I don't see why kids NEED TV. Saying it is an educational tool is a sweeping statement - there's some educational stuff on TV and an awful lot of rubbish.

We listen to the radio and so get news reports there. Documentaries about things we are interested in we can easily watch online. We don't watch anything most days so getting a TV to use a day or two a week would not be worthwhile.

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over a year ago

"I could certainly do without a telly if it wasn't for the kids.

Not sure I see the link... kids don't need TV.

Of course they do. Tv is part of modern culture and an educational tool

I must be doing something wrong then. Two super smart kids and no TV.

Because you have super smart kids does not mean kids don't need TV seems a sweeping statement to make

And I don't see why kids NEED TV. Saying it is an educational tool is a sweeping statement - there's some educational stuff on TV and an awful lot of rubbish.

Fair enough but how do the children feel in school when other children talk about what they'v watched? Please don't think I'm being confrontational I'm just asking

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over a year ago

"Mine is due this month, if anyone would like to pay it for me?"

Do i get to sit on your sofa, have control of the remote (mini size please) drink your beer and order takeaways on your tab?

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By *opping_candyWoman
over a year ago

West Yorkshire

"I could certainly do without a telly if it wasn't for the kids.

Not sure I see the link... kids don't need TV.

Of course they do. Tv is part of modern culture and an educational tool

I must be doing something wrong then. Two super smart kids and no TV.

Because you have super smart kids does not mean kids don't need TV seems a sweeping statement to make

And I don't see why kids NEED TV. Saying it is an educational tool is a sweeping statement - there's some educational stuff on TV and an awful lot of rubbish.

Fair enough but how do the children feel in school when other children talk about what they'v watched? Please don't think I'm being confrontational I'm just asking

They are only 5 and 6. So not like they would be discussing the finer points of what happened on Eastenders etc. I know my eldest has come out of school before and told me about a conversation she's had with other children about a film we've watched recently, and she got them all playing Pirates of the Caribbean in the playground.

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"I could certainly do without a telly if it wasn't for the kids.

Not sure I see the link... kids don't need TV.

Of course they do. Tv is part of modern culture and an educational tool

I must be doing something wrong then. Two super smart kids and no TV.

Because you have super smart kids does not mean kids don't need TV seems a sweeping statement to make

And I don't see why kids NEED TV. Saying it is an educational tool is a sweeping statement - there's some educational stuff on TV and an awful lot of rubbish.

Fair enough but how do the children feel in school when other children talk about what they'v watched? Please don't think I'm being confrontational I'm just asking

Can't see anyone discussing finer points of Eastenders

but what if in a few years time they ask for a TV or more importantly why they/you don't have one what them ?

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By *opping_candyWoman
over a year ago

West Yorkshire

"I could certainly do without a telly if it wasn't for the kids.

Not sure I see the link... kids don't need TV.

Of course they do. Tv is part of modern culture and an educational tool

I must be doing something wrong then. Two super smart kids and no TV.

Because you have super smart kids does not mean kids don't need TV seems a sweeping statement to make

And I don't see why kids NEED TV. Saying it is an educational tool is a sweeping statement - there's some educational stuff on TV and an awful lot of rubbish.

Fair enough but how do the children feel in school when other children talk about what they'v watched? Please don't think I'm being confrontational I'm just asking

Can't see anyone discussing finer points of Eastenders

but what if in a few years time they ask for a TV or more importantly why they/you don't have one what them ? "

If they ask for one down the line I will cross that bridge when we come to it. I honestly couldn't tell you now what I would say to that.

If they ask why we don't have one, that's a simple answer: when their dad moved out I said 'you can take the TV and I'm not going to bother replacing it'. Rarely had it on during the day when the kids were at home and I wasn't interested in watching it in the evening so there was no point. I found that when it was on in the daytime the kids would just sit and watch it because it was there. If it wasn't on they never asked for it to be on.

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over a year ago

"I could certainly do without a telly if it wasn't for the kids.

Not sure I see the link... kids don't need TV.

Of course they do. Tv is part of modern culture and an educational tool

I must be doing something wrong then. Two super smart kids and no TV.

Because you have super smart kids does not mean kids don't need TV seems a sweeping statement to make

And I don't see why kids NEED TV. Saying it is an educational tool is a sweeping statement - there's some educational stuff on TV and an awful lot of rubbish.

Fair enough but how do the children feel in school when other children talk about what they'v watched? Please don't think I'm being confrontational I'm just asking

Can't see anyone discussing finer points of Eastenders

but what if in a few years time they ask for a TV or more importantly why they/you don't have one what them ?

If they ask for one down the line I will cross that bridge when we come to it. I honestly couldn't tell you now what I would say to that.

Fair enough hope it all works out as you want

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over a year ago

"I could certainly do without a telly if it wasn't for the kids.

Not sure I see the link... kids don't need TV.

Of course they do. Tv is part of modern culture and an educational tool

I must be doing something wrong then. Two super smart kids and no TV.

Because you have super smart kids does not mean kids don't need TV seems a sweeping statement to make

And I don't see why kids NEED TV. Saying it is an educational tool is a sweeping statement - there's some educational stuff on TV and an awful lot of rubbish.

TV, drug of the nation, teaches kids how shit everything is

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over a year ago

"I could certainly do without a telly if it wasn't for the kids.

Not sure I see the link... kids don't need TV.

Of course they do. Tv is part of modern culture and an educational tool

I must be doing something wrong then. Two super smart kids and no TV.

Because you have super smart kids does not mean kids don't need TV seems a sweeping statement to make

And I don't see why kids NEED TV. Saying it is an educational tool is a sweeping statement - there's some educational stuff on TV and an awful lot of rubbish.

TV, drug of the nation, teaches kids how shit everything is

How? it shows the beauty of the planet informs us of what's going on in the world, keeps people amused at times just use it properly it does have an on off button

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By *opping_candyWoman
over a year ago

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"I could certainly do without a telly if it wasn't for the kids.

Not sure I see the link... kids don't need TV.

Of course they do. Tv is part of modern culture and an educational tool

I must be doing something wrong then. Two super smart kids and no TV.

Because you have super smart kids does not mean kids don't need TV seems a sweeping statement to make

And I don't see why kids NEED TV. Saying it is an educational tool is a sweeping statement - there's some educational stuff on TV and an awful lot of rubbish.

Fair enough but how do the children feel in school when other children talk about what they'v watched? Please don't think I'm being confrontational I'm just asking

Can't see anyone discussing finer points of Eastenders

but what if in a few years time they ask for a TV or more importantly why they/you don't have one what them ?

If they ask for one down the line I will cross that bridge when we come to it. I honestly couldn't tell you now what I would say to that.

Fair enough hope it all works out as you want

It's been nice arguing with you

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over a year ago

"I could certainly do without a telly if it wasn't for the kids.

Not sure I see the link... kids don't need TV.

Of course they do. Tv is part of modern culture and an educational tool

I must be doing something wrong then. Two super smart kids and no TV.

Because you have super smart kids does not mean kids don't need TV seems a sweeping statement to make

And I don't see why kids NEED TV. Saying it is an educational tool is a sweeping statement - there's some educational stuff on TV and an awful lot of rubbish.

Fair enough but how do the children feel in school when other children talk about what they'v watched? Please don't think I'm being confrontational I'm just asking

Can't see anyone discussing finer points of Eastenders

but what if in a few years time they ask for a TV or more importantly why they/you don't have one what them ?

If they ask for one down the line I will cross that bridge when we come to it. I honestly couldn't tell you now what I would say to that.

Fair enough hope it all works out as you want

It's been nice arguing with you

Thank you hope to argue with you again in the future

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How? it shows the beauty of the planet informs us of what's going on in the world, keeps people amused at times just use it properly it does have an on off button

I can see what you're getting at here but you don't actually require TV broadcasts to gain access to those things. I think that maybe what Popping is trying to say. The internet can provide everything TV broadcasts can plus some more. With the added bonus of the information being accessible at any time of the day as long as you have access to the net. Then you have newspapers for news as well as radio etc. List goes on. Children don't 'need' TV broadcasts, it's simply a luxury in my opinion.

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How? it shows the beauty of the planet informs us of what's going on in the world, keeps people amused at times just use it properly it does have an on off button

the internet is a televisual source too, people who often complain about tv are also often a bit misguided on how easy it is to raise children in the modern age.So if they cant complain about TV educating our children, they move to the internet(which is a bit more dangerous for children to be left alone with isnt it?)

Even stay at home parents have to rely on TV at various points in the day(I mean for getting things done while their children are around, and not dossing in front of jeremey arsehole kyle).Like it or loathe it, TV and the internet are also helping our youngsters to define who they are by themselves as well as finding their social standings.

Like everything its about moderation!and common sense!

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By *rank_SimoneCouple
over a year ago

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One of the advantages of having the outlaws living with us.

They are both over 75 so the licence is free, the only time its been value for money.

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How? it shows the beauty of the planet informs us of what's going on in the world, keeps people amused at times just use it properly it does have an on off button

Like everything its about moderation!and common sense!"

Thank you I was going to say that the Internet is in reality another form of television. So agree 99'/, with what you say ( not the JK bit

) but that's another thread

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"One of the advantages of having the outlaws living with us.

They are both over 75 so the licence is free, the only time its been value for money.

lol@outlaws

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By *aceytopWoman
over a year ago

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I don't have a tv and haven't had one for a year now and i don't miss it at all,try living without one you might like it

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How? it shows the beauty of the planet informs us of what's going on in the world, keeps people amused at times just use it properly it does have an on off button

Like everything its about moderation!and common sense!"

I'm not actually complaining about TV, I own one and I have a license and I do on rare occasions actually watch some live broadcasts. The debate has swung now as to whether a TV is needed for children. When I read that statement I read it as TV broadcasts as the TV itself is simply a VDU and speakers. Even without the introduction of the internet you still don't need TV broadcasts to educate, there are other medias all the information can be taken from it just presented in a different format.

I'm sorry but saying you need TV to keep the children entertained whilst you do house chores is not a reason to have to own a TV, it's just lazy parenting

I do get that it does captivate children and make parents lives easier however children in the past survived without it by doing things such as colouring, reading, playing, building things out of loo rolls, being creative in general.

Again I'm not against TV I just don't think that children have to have one and that not having one wouldn't put them at a disadvantage to others. If anything I'd say that having a TV and the likes of a game console are a contributing factor to the raise in obesity with children and they are socialising by screaming down a microphone to their friends rather than actual physical interaction.

I do agree though everything in moderation however common sense doesn't seem to be something that everyone has

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How? it shows the beauty of the planet informs us of what's going on in the world, keeps people amused at times just use it properly it does have an on off button

Like everything its about moderation!and common sense!

I'm sorry but saying you need TV to keep the children entertained whilst you do house chores is not a reason to have to own a TV, it's just lazy parenting

I do agree though everything in moderation however common sense doesn't seem to be something that everyone has

I agree that games consoles can and do add to children's lack of motivation. But can always remember having a TV growing up. Didn't sit in front of it all day but the joy of watching live 5 nations rugby and then going out to re enact the game was worth every penny of the licence fee I'm now paying

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

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Part of the BBC argument about why it costs so much to run runs along the lines of having thousands of correspondents in every corner of the globe.

Why is it then, that as soon as something happens in (say) Nairobi, the first thing they do is send a team out from London?

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