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Godfrey ' Bongo Bongo Land' Bloom

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By *bbandflow OP   Couple
over a year ago

South Devon

Bless him..yesterday said that women are more suited to 'finding mustard in a pantry than parking a car'...Pantry!..too much Downtown Abbey Godfrey...silly little man.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"silly little man."

Blimey..what are you like in super duper scary mode?!

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By *bbandflow OP   Couple
over a year ago

South Devon


"silly little man.

Blimey..what are you like in super duper scary mode?! "

Moi !..he's the scary one..UKIP misogyny man...also said men who support feminists..'are men who get sand kicked in their face on the beach' ..don't think he would say that to my son!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"silly little man.

Blimey..what are you like in super duper scary mode?!

Moi !..he's the scary one..UKIP misogyny man...also said men who support feminists..'are men who get sand kicked in their face on the beach' .."

He has a point!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

So long as they keep taking Tory votes .. .........

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

UKIP are good for comedy value, if little else

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Bless him..yesterday said that women are more suited to 'finding mustard in a pantry than parking a car'...Pantry!..too much Downtown Abbey Godfrey...silly little man."

She'd have a job on in my house as we stopped using our pantry in the 1920's!

Seriously though, he appeals to a certain kind of dinosaur and with any luck will be extinct soon!

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By *bbandflow OP   Couple
over a year ago

South Devon


"silly little man.

Blimey..what are you like in super duper scary mode?!

Moi !..he's the scary one..UKIP misogyny man...also said men who support feminists..'are men who get sand kicked in their face on the beach' ..

He has a point! "

He has a pointy head that would fit snugly in a clowns hat!

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By *bbandflow OP   Couple
over a year ago

South Devon


"silly little man.

Blimey..what are you like in super duper scary mode?!

Moi !..he's the scary one..UKIP misogyny man...also said men who support feminists..'are men who get sand kicked in their face on the beach' ..

He has a point! "

He has a pointy head that would fit snugly in a clowns hat!

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By *az1312Woman
over a year ago

Somewhere near Coventry

You have to forgive the silly man though. He comes from another bongo bongo planet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Bless him..yesterday said that women are more suited to 'finding mustard in a pantry than parking a car'...Pantry!..too much Downtown Abbey Godfrey...silly little man."

He might be out of touch with the pantry but he is pretty observant in the carpark by the sounds of it.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"..............

Seriously though, he appeals to a certain kind of dinosaur and with any luck will be extinct soon!"

They're still breeding them - and sending them to Eton, Harrow and the like.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The wonders of modern democracy eh?

Where you get to vote for your preferred candidate, if you can be arsed that is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Bless him..yesterday said that women are more suited to 'finding mustard in a pantry than parking a car'...Pantry!..too much Downtown Abbey Godfrey...silly little man."

I'm sure the dear chap really meant to say 'Larder'....

ted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"silly little man.

Blimey..what are you like in super duper scary mode?!

Moi !..he's the scary one..UKIP misogyny man...also said men who support feminists..'are men who get sand kicked in their face on the beach' ..

He has a point!

He has a pointy head that would fit snugly in a clowns hat!"

preposterous thing to intone. Go and wash your mouth out with carbolic soap!

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By *bbandflow OP   Couple
over a year ago

South Devon


"silly little man.

Blimey..what are you like in super duper scary mode?!

Moi !..he's the scary one..UKIP misogyny man...also said men who support feminists..'are men who get sand kicked in their face on the beach' ..

He has a point!

He has a pointy head that would fit snugly in a clowns hat!

preposterous thing to intone. Go and wash your mouth out with carbolic soap!"

lol..I'll get back in the kitchen, after I've parked my car..might be a while!

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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago

harrow


"..............

Seriously though, he appeals to a certain kind of dinosaur and with any luck will be extinct soon!

They're still breeding them - and sending them to Eton, Harrow and the like."

Oi I am from harrow

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

He is entitled to say what he thinks. More people should try it.

He does it to make the point that people should not be bullied into silence. I am not sure he even believes a lot of it but even if he does he is of a generation etc.

People should just relax.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He is entitled to say what he thinks. More people should try it.

He does it to make the point that people should not be bullied into silence. I am not sure he even believes a lot of it but even if he does he is of a generation etc.

People should just relax."

He can't both say what he thinks and not believe what he says?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"..............

Seriously though, he appeals to a certain kind of dinosaur and with any luck will be extinct soon!

They're still breeding them - and sending them to Eton, Harrow and the like.

Oi I am from harrow "

C'mon, if you really were from harrow, wouldn't it be Harrow?

As said by many a Japanese person.

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By *bbandflow OP   Couple
over a year ago

South Devon


"He is entitled to say what he thinks. More people should try it.

He does it to make the point that people should not be bullied into silence. I am not sure he even believes a lot of it but even if he does he is of a generation etc.

People should just relax."

Confused!..'He is entitled to say what he thinks. More people should try it' yet we should relax and not say anything?

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Why do people always assume that being a sexist, racist idiot is a generational thing? Not everybody over the age of fifty speaks and acts like they have suffered some sort of head injury.

It's mainly just the ones representing UKIP.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He is entitled to say what he thinks. More people should try it.

He does it to make the point that people should not be bullied into silence. I am not sure he even believes a lot of it but even if he does he is of a generation etc.

People should just relax.

He can't both say what he thinks and not believe what he says? "

Don't go in the chatrooms much?

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs


"He is entitled to say what he thinks. More people should try it.

He does it to make the point that people should not be bullied into silence. I am not sure he even believes a lot of it but even if he does he is of a generation etc.

People should just relax.

He can't both say what he thinks and not believe what he says? "

Of course he can. He knows that people will jump down his throat in a fit of intolerance - so he provokes them into doing so.

Some people ARE very intolerant and that is his point.

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling


"He is entitled to say what he thinks. More people should try it.

He does it to make the point that people should not be bullied into silence. I am not sure he even believes a lot of it but even if he does he is of a generation etc.

People should just relax.

He can't both say what he thinks and not believe what he says? "

The man is an oaf

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He is entitled to say what he thinks. More people should try it.

He does it to make the point that people should not be bullied into silence. I am not sure he even believes a lot of it but even if he does he is of a generation etc.

People should just relax.

He can't both say what he thinks and not believe what he says?

Of course he can. He knows that people will jump down his throat in a fit of intolerance - so he provokes them into doing so.

Some people ARE very intolerant and that is his point."

Lol. Intolerance of sexism? That's a new one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why do people always assume that being a sexist, racist idiot is a generational thing? Not everybody over the age of fifty speaks and acts like they have suffered some sort of head injury.

It's mainly just the ones representing UKIP."

Lol

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Being intolerant of sexism and racism is a good thing.

He is highlighting the intolerance of others towards his moronic views? Well, suppose it's a public service of sorts, then.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

He typifies UKIP in my opinion, I can't wait for the 2015 General Election to see what nonsense they put into their manifesto.....And you thought Lord Sutch was mad

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

If he wants to be 'sexist' that is up to him.

How do you define sexism? Who is to be the high priest/priestess that rules on whether someone is acceptable or not.

What is acceptable changes all the time and always has done.

We should accept that not all people think the same. He has the balls to refuse to be bullied.

I admire him and so do many other people. He says what many/most other people say around the kitchen table - but are afraid, due to groupthing and bullying, to say in public.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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I admire him and so do many other people. He says what many/most other people say around the kitchen table - but are afraid, due to groupthing and bullying, to say in public."

Afraid? Why because their views are outdated and offensive to others?

We certainly never had conversations like this around the kitchen table in my house growing up or with my kids. He's a dinosaur who talks crap and sadly people talk about him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hello Ladies, on behalf of the EDL may i just ask you whats for tea? Ta.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He typifies UKIP in my opinion, I can't wait for the 2015 General Election to see what nonsense they put into their manifesto.....And you thought Lord Sutch was mad"

Fingers crossed people see them for what they are and don't get caught up in using them as a protest vote

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We have half a shelf of mustard in our panty

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We have half a shelf of mustard in our panty "

typo of the day

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"If he wants to be 'sexist' that is up to him.

How do you define sexism? Who is to be the high priest/priestess that rules on whether someone is acceptable or not.

What is acceptable changes all the time and always has done.

We should accept that not all people think the same. He has the balls to refuse to be bullied.

I admire him and so do many other people. He says what many/most other people say around the kitchen table - but are afraid, due to groupthing and bullying, to say in public."

They're afraid because they're cowards.

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

What is interesting is that his critics pick on the phrase 'bongo bongo land' as a means to avoid a discussion on the substantive point - that of foreign aid being wasted just to massage the Conservative Party's image.

Anything to avoid the serious issues he raises.

Bongo bongo land was a generic phrase meant to describe corrupt, kleptocratic military dictators. I think we all knew that. The phrase may be suggestive of some African kleptocratic dictatorships - so what was the problem with that?

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol


"If he wants to be 'sexist' that is up to him.

How do you define sexism? Who is to be the high priest/priestess that rules on whether someone is acceptable or not.

What is acceptable changes all the time and always has done.

We should accept that not all people think the same. He has the balls to refuse to be bullied.

I admire him and so do many other people. He says what many/most other people say around the kitchen table - but are afraid, due to groupthing and bullying, to say in public."

If you feel that you are being 'bullied' by society into keeping your offensive views to yourself, then the system works, it's as simple as that. Score one to the progressive society.

Racists should fear making their views known. That fact that this idiot does not just illustrates what a disgusting individual he is.

Hilarious that you think that fear of expressing racist and sexist views is the result of 'groupthink'...just hilarious. Racists and sexists are not free thinkers, they are just racists and sexists.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What is interesting is that his critics pick on the phrase 'bongo bongo land' as a means to avoid a discussion on the substantive point - that of foreign aid being wasted just to massage the Conservative Party's image.

Anything to avoid the serious issues he raises.

Bongo bongo land was a generic phrase meant to describe corrupt, kleptocratic military dictators. I think we all knew that. The phrase may be suggestive of some African kleptocratic dictatorships - so what was the problem with that?"

That's it's a twattish ignorant thing to say which suggests what a fuckwit he is and therefore detracts from anything he says.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What is interesting is that his critics pick on the phrase 'bongo bongo land' as a means to avoid a discussion on the substantive point - that of foreign aid being wasted just to massage the Conservative Party's image.

Anything to avoid the serious issues he raises.

Bongo bongo land was a generic phrase meant to describe corrupt, kleptocratic military dictators. I think we all knew that. The phrase may be suggestive of some African kleptocratic dictatorships - so what was the problem with that?"

It was an overtly racist phrase that was designed to get people to notice someone most people had never heard of.

His grasp of economics, foreign policy and the modern world is sketchy at best.

He used sensational events to generalise across the board.

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

I saw an opinion poll that said that most people supported his bongo bongo land remarks.

It is NOT racist to be against waste in foreign aid.

Groupthink is used to bully as George Orwell foresaw.

Most liberal minded people support Mr Bloom, although they are afraid to say so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ah the oxygen of publicity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I saw an opinion poll that said that most people supported his bongo bongo land remarks.

It is NOT racist to be against waste in foreign aid.

Groupthink is used to bully as George Orwell foresaw.

Most liberal minded people support Mr Bloom, although they are afraid to say so."

Since when do your views represent MOST others? I think you may be a little deluded.

I'm yet to meet anyone that has heard of him other than as that bloke that made some fuckwit comments.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol


"Most liberal minded people support Mr Bloom, although they are afraid to say so."

Think you mean Librium minded.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay


"I saw an opinion poll that said that most people supported his bongo bongo land remarks.

It is NOT racist to be against waste in foreign aid.

Groupthink is used to bully as George Orwell foresaw.

Most liberal minded people support Mr Bloom, although they are afraid to say so."

Ahhhhh.....the old 'Most' argument

It rarely stands up to scrutiny

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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago

near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack!


"..............

Oi I am from harrow "

No Mike, you are from `Arrow!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Quick quiz question(s) for you all :

Which of the following Political comments are wholly made up?

a) Bongo Bongo Land

b) Iraq has WMD at its disposal useable within 45 minutes.

For bonus points, which has caused far more physical harm to mankind?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Quick quiz question(s) for you all :

Which of the following Political comments are wholly made up?

a) Bongo Bongo Land

b) Iraq has WMD at its disposal useable within 45 minutes.

For bonus points, which has caused far more physical harm to mankind?

"

and that's relevant how?

Doesn't in any way make it less of a twattish thing to say or a topic for people to chat about.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

I like him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I saw an opinion poll that said that most people supported his bongo bongo land remarks.

It is NOT racist to be against waste in foreign aid.

Groupthink is used to bully as George Orwell foresaw.

Most liberal minded people support Mr Bloom, although they are afraid to say so."

I'm not sure how to respond to this as the tears of laughter are making it hard to type. Most liberal minded people? What kind of definition of liberal are you using?

I've not met a sole with an iq over 20 who says anything positive about him.

It's not racist to be against foreign aid waste, however his method of putting his view across is racist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Quick quiz question(s) for you all :

Which of the following Political comments are wholly made up?

a) Bongo Bongo Land

b) Iraq has WMD at its disposal useable within 45 minutes.

For bonus points, which has caused far more physical harm to mankind?

and that's relevant how?

Doesn't in any way make it less of a twattish thing to say or a topic for people to chat about."

Do you NOT see how it's relevant? Not at all?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Quick quiz question(s) for you all :

Which of the following Political comments are wholly made up?

a) Bongo Bongo Land

b) Iraq has WMD at its disposal useable within 45 minutes.

For bonus points, which has caused far more physical harm to mankind?

and that's relevant how?

Doesn't in any way make it less of a twattish thing to say or a topic for people to chat about.

Do you NOT see how it's relevant? Not at all?

"

Not to this debate - nope. But I do see it as the kind of political statement that pisses me off about politicians. Rather than debating the point, make a different one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Bless him..yesterday said that women are more suited to 'finding mustard in a pantry than parking a car'...Pantry!..too much Downtown Abbey Godfrey...silly little man."

He's got a point though

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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago

folkestone

Has anyone asked any africans if they find his turn of phrase racist? or is this people being offended by proxy?.

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over a year ago


"Has anyone asked any africans if they find his turn of phrase racist? or is this people being offended by proxy?. "

The "Africans"? You know it's a continent right?

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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago

folkestone


"Has anyone asked any africans if they find his turn of phrase racist? or is this people being offended by proxy?.

The "Africans"? You know it's a continent right?

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Really is it a continent?. Well i never knew that!. African means a native or inhabitant of africa or a person of african descent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Has anyone asked any africans if they find his turn of phrase racist? or is this people being offended by proxy?.

The "Africans"? You know it's a continent right?

Really is it a continent?. Well i never knew that!. African means a native or inhabitant of africa or a person of african descent. "

No shit! And there's me having lived there not knowing that. So Algerians, Tunisians etc probably not bothered as its not a term directed at them. Probably not directed at South Africa either. So given that it's a continent most of them wouldn't be offended.

Are you suggesting that this fuckwit didn't mean this to be offensive? He's used a phrase that people who've lived in "bongo bongo" type places find extremely offensive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Genetics has proven that we are all of African descent.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"I saw an opinion poll that said that most people supported his bongo bongo land remarks.

It is NOT racist to be against waste in foreign aid.

Groupthink is used to bully as George Orwell foresaw.

Most liberal minded people support Mr Bloom, although they are afraid to say so."

Is this like the famous Tory 'silent majority'?

ie - nobody is saying that they agree with us, possibly because nobody does, but we are arrogant enough to assume that not only do some people agree, most do based on our own delusions of superiority....

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"Has anyone asked any africans if they find his turn of phrase racist? or is this people being offended by proxy?.

The "Africans"? You know it's a continent right?

Really is it a continent?. Well i never knew that!. African means a native or inhabitant of africa or a person of african descent.

No shit! And there's me having lived there not knowing that. So Algerians, Tunisians etc probably not bothered as its not a term directed at them. Probably not directed at South Africa either. So given that it's a continent most of them wouldn't be offended.

Are you suggesting that this fuckwit didn't mean this to be offensive? He's used a phrase that people who've lived in "bongo bongo" type places find extremely offensive. "

Its kind of beside the point - he is a British politician making these arguments in Britain. It is therefore enough that Britons are offended by him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Has anyone asked any africans if they find his turn of phrase racist? or is this people being offended by proxy?.

The "Africans"? You know it's a continent right?

Really is it a continent?. Well i never knew that!. African means a native or inhabitant of africa or a person of african descent. "

I can put you in touch with a fair few if you'd like to ask them yourself.

Personally I'm not offended. I regarded it as a display of ignorance and indicative of the twat he seems to be.

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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago

folkestone


"Has anyone asked any africans if they find his turn of phrase racist? or is this people being offended by proxy?.

The "Africans"? You know it's a continent right?

Really is it a continent?. Well i never knew that!. African means a native or inhabitant of africa or a person of african descent.

No shit! And there's me having lived there not knowing that. So Algerians, Tunisians etc probably not bothered as its not a term directed at them. Probably not directed at South Africa either. So given that it's a continent most of them wouldn't be offended.

Are you suggesting that this fuckwit didn't mean this to be offensive? He's used a phrase that people who've lived in "bongo bongo" type places find extremely offensive. "

I spoke to a guy who i work with about this when it was in the paper and asked him(he is from Uganda) if he was offended by this phrase. He said he'd never heard of it before, and wasn't offended by it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Genetics has proven that we are all of African descent.

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Not me pal!! I'm from another planet!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Has anyone asked any africans if they find his turn of phrase racist? or is this people being offended by proxy?.

The "Africans"? You know it's a continent right?

Really is it a continent?. Well i never knew that!. African means a native or inhabitant of africa or a person of african descent.

No shit! And there's me having lived there not knowing that. So Algerians, Tunisians etc probably not bothered as its not a term directed at them. Probably not directed at South Africa either. So given that it's a continent most of them wouldn't be offended.

Are you suggesting that this fuckwit didn't mean this to be offensive? He's used a phrase that people who've lived in "bongo bongo" type places find extremely offensive.

I spoke to a guy who i work with about this when it was in the paper and asked him(he is from Uganda) if he was offended by this phrase. He said he'd never heard of it before, and wasn't offended by it. "

So are you telling me it's not an offensive term and he didn't mean it to be?

I lived in Africa off and on for ten years and I'd never heard it either as lots of Africans don't use that kind of term about themselves. It's a term used in a derogatory way in Britain. I'd have been amazed if he'd heard it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I spoke to a guy who i work with about this when it was in the paper and asked him(he is from Uganda) if he was offended by this phrase. He said he'd never heard of it before, and wasn't offended by it. "

Isn't that a little like asking if you're offended at being azungu?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Genetics has proven that we are all of African descent.

Not me pal!! I'm from another planet! "

An Only One eh? ( a punk reference lol)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I spoke to a guy who i work with about this when it was in the paper and asked him(he is from Uganda) if he was offended by this phrase. He said he'd never heard of it before, and wasn't offended by it.

Isn't that a little like asking if you're offended at being azungu?"

Or gaijin or farang etc etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Has anyone asked any africans if they find his turn of phrase racist? or is this people being offended by proxy?.

The "Africans"? You know it's a continent right?

Really is it a continent?. Well i never knew that!. African means a native or inhabitant of africa or a person of african descent.

No shit! And there's me having lived there not knowing that. So Algerians, Tunisians etc probably not bothered as its not a term directed at them. Probably not directed at South Africa either. So given that it's a continent most of them wouldn't be offended.

Are you suggesting that this fuckwit didn't mean this to be offensive? He's used a phrase that people who've lived in "bongo bongo" type places find extremely offensive.

I spoke to a guy who i work with about this when it was in the paper and asked him(he is from Uganda) if he was offended by this phrase. He said he'd never heard of it before, and wasn't offended by it.

So are you telling me it's not an offensive term and he didn't mean it to be?

I lived in Africa off and on for ten years and I'd never heard it either as lots of Africans don't use that kind of term about themselves. It's a term used in a derogatory way in Britain. I'd have been amazed if he'd heard it."

Maybe the vast majority of the population aren't offended by it and can see it for what it is? Maybe some people are more liberal or free thinking than others?

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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago

folkestone


"Has anyone asked any africans if they find his turn of phrase racist? or is this people being offended by proxy?.

The "Africans"? You know it's a continent right?

Really is it a continent?. Well i never knew that!. African means a native or inhabitant of africa or a person of african descent.

No shit! And there's me having lived there not knowing that. So Algerians, Tunisians etc probably not bothered as its not a term directed at them. Probably not directed at South Africa either. So given that it's a continent most of them wouldn't be offended.

Are you suggesting that this fuckwit didn't mean this to be offensive? He's used a phrase that people who've lived in "bongo bongo" type places find extremely offensive. "

I take it you complained to the makers of Um Bongo when they released their drink in the 80's?.

Im not condoning what this guy has said in the slightest, but, like trolls, if you ignore them, they lose their power to shock and upset. Id be more worried about the rise of the far right in countries like greece, that what some old guy who no-one had heard before these comments.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think most of the discussion has been of ridicule - not of how shocked or hurt people have been.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think most of the discussion has been of ridicule - not of how shocked or hurt people have been."

Maybe not all, or indeed all that many, are actually shocked or hurt by such trivia? Maybe a fair proportion are glad he said it and agree with him?

Vive la difference.

A truly ridiculous thing is that if the sitting Labour MP here had said it, they'd still get a landslide the next time round.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A landslide in this constituency that is, not nationally.

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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago

folkestone


"Has anyone asked any africans if they find his turn of phrase racist? or is this people being offended by proxy?.

The "Africans"? You know it's a continent right?

Really is it a continent?. Well i never knew that!. African means a native or inhabitant of africa or a person of african descent.

No shit! And there's me having lived there not knowing that. So Algerians, Tunisians etc probably not bothered as its not a term directed at them. Probably not directed at South Africa either. So given that it's a continent most of them wouldn't be offended.

Are you suggesting that this fuckwit didn't mean this to be offensive? He's used a phrase that people who've lived in "bongo bongo" type places find extremely offensive.

I spoke to a guy who i work with about this when it was in the paper and asked him(he is from Uganda) if he was offended by this phrase. He said he'd never heard of it before, and wasn't offended by it.

So are you telling me it's not an offensive term and he didn't mean it to be?

I lived in Africa off and on for ten years and I'd never heard it either as lots of Africans don't use that kind of term about themselves. It's a term used in a derogatory way in Britain. I'd have been amazed if he'd heard it."

Only he can answer that. Ive never heard of the phrase bongo bongo and i haven't come across anyone who heard it or used it before. The only time ive heard bongo used was in the drink um bongo and that was because of the advert when i was a kid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think most of the discussion has been of ridicule - not of how shocked or hurt people have been.

Maybe not all, or indeed all that many, are actually shocked or hurt by such trivia? Maybe a fair proportion are glad he said it and agree with him?

Vive la difference.

A truly ridiculous thing is that if the sitting Labour MP here had said it, they'd still get a landslide the next time round. "

No question that a sizeable portion do agree with him (I won't call it fair). That's been represented in earlier comments.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Actually the term 'Bongo-Bongo Land' was first made famous (infamous) by that delightful Tory MP the late Alan Clark.....

He was every bit as much of an idiot as the clown Bloom.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville


"Bless him..yesterday said that women are more suited to 'finding mustard in a pantry than parking a car'...Pantry!..too much Downtown Abbey Godfrey...silly little man."
I can never find the bloody mustard!

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"He is entitled to say what he thinks. More people should try it.

He does it to make the point that people should not be bullied into silence. I am not sure he even believes a lot of it but even if he does he is of a generation etc.

People should just relax.

He can't both say what he thinks and not believe what he says?

Of course he can. He knows that people will jump down his throat in a fit of intolerance - so he provokes them into doing so.

Some people ARE very intolerant and that is his point."

so why can't he just say"some people are very intolerant"? And why does he have to use intolerant sounding faux (if indeed they are) opinions to illustrate other peoples intolerance?

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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago

folkestone

Im genuinely confused that if this phrase is offensive(ive never heard of it before), why are so many people repeating it, and why are there spoof facebook groups about it(just googled)?. There are many other phrases that are well known i wouldn't use and i wouldn't expect others to use that are very offensive but you wouldn't put them on a thread or start a facebook group about them.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

Tolerant?

"If you tolerate this, then your children will be next"

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"Bless him..yesterday said that women are more suited to 'finding mustard in a pantry than parking a car'...Pantry!..too much Downtown Abbey Godfrey...silly little man.I can never find the bloody mustard!"

I can easily find the mustard I keep it in the fridge, I can park a car too but I am actually more suited to finding the mustard because I always know exsctly where it is, can't say the same for parking spaces sometimes I have to drive round for ages before I come across one. So the dear old gentleman is right in some ways...unfortunately not enough ways to make his opinions credible

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Im genuinely confused that if this phrase is offensive(ive never heard of it before), ............ "

Bongo Bongo Land was widely used in military circles up to about the mid80s to describe an unspecified part of (usually) sub Saharan Africa where intervention might be needed.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"I saw an opinion poll that said that most people supported his bongo bongo land remarks.

It is NOT racist to be against waste in foreign aid.

Groupthink is used to bully as George Orwell foresaw.

Most liberal minded people support Mr Bloom, although they are afraid to say so.

Ahhhhh.....the old 'Most' argument

It rarely stands up to scrutiny"

agreed..

same goes with the 'I saw an opinion poll..etc etc'

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Did you hear Nigel Farrage on the radio at the weekend? He managed to show how sexist he is too when pressed by Owen Jones and Andrew Gilligan on his views of Bloom's comments.

Men are blokes, women are girls and employers would rather have a bloke than a girl, apparently.

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

Where on earth did all this illiberalism come from?

We used to pride ourselves on tolerating other people's opinions. Now we seem to see it as the starting point in a competition to display our moral virtue.

Godfrey Bloom made a comment that some people have derided as sexist.

However, do women never make derogatory comments about men? Laugh at themabout man-flu? Say they can't multi-task etc?

The generous-minded will laugh at it and take it in their stride.

So why are some people - almost certainly a minority - refusing to offer the same generosity to Mr Bloom?

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By *bbandflow OP   Couple
over a year ago

South Devon


"Where on earth did all this illiberalism come from?

We used to pride ourselves on tolerating other people's opinions. Now we seem to see it as the starting point in a competition to display our moral virtue.

Godfrey Bloom made a comment that some people have derided as sexist.

However, do women never make derogatory comments about men? Laugh at themabout man-flu? Say they can't multi-task etc?

The generous-minded will laugh at it and take it in their stride.

So why are some people - almost certainly a minority - refusing to offer the same generosity to Mr Bloom?"

Where to start!..he is a politician..opinions of politicians are challenged..would you offer the same generosity to the BNP ?...suggest you google Godfrey, this wasn't a one off indiscreet remark made privately, he has a litany of misogynist remarks to his very public name.

If you were one of the thousands of women in this country, capable of pregnancy, seeking employment how relaxed would you be with Godfrey's opinion that 'any small company would be mad to employ woman who could become pregnant'...you might well agree with his view, but don't expect many women to metaphorically have their heads patted and told to be 'generous'.

We are by global standards an extremely tolerant, liberal nation..we respect freedom of speech, but equally we are a nation that will challenge, and challenge again, the opinions of those who are elected to represent us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He is entitled to say what he thinks. More people should try it.

He does it to make the point that people should not be bullied into silence. I am not sure he even believes a lot of it but even if he does he is of a generation etc.

People should just relax."

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto


"Seriously though, he appeals to a certain kind of dinosaur and with any luck will be extinct soon!"

You'd hope so. And yet, there are many who'd agree with him wholeheartedly. Sad state of affairs.

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto

And in true forum fashion, i see he has a defense force. Fuck me!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And lets not forget that the man is a UKIP MEP! How the fuck does that work? Is he trying to bring down the system from the inside?

No, he's loving the EU gravy train which is the very problem with the EU.

When people with views like that get together it ends up with some unsuspecting group being looked down upon, persecuted and attacked. For no other reason than fear of what tiny minds can't understand.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Where on earth did all this illiberalism come from?

We used to pride ourselves on tolerating other people's opinions. Now we seem to see it as the starting point in a competition to display our moral virtue.

Godfrey Bloom made a comment that some people have derided as sexist.

However, do women never make derogatory comments about men? Laugh at themabout man-flu? Say they can't multi-task etc?

The generous-minded will laugh at it and take it in their stride.

So why are some people - almost certainly a minority - refusing to offer the same generosity to Mr Bloom?"

A minority?

The man is a dinosaur who wants to drag us to his outdated thinking and language and present himself as the victim. He's not a shining example of being British. He's an example of what was wrong with the 1970's and he's not grown up yet.

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By *ncutgemMan
over a year ago

Bath ish

Id give to those bongo bongos

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think hes funny. just seen him in mail online, he says pregnant women should be sacked.

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

The man is a her for having the balls to say what he thinks and aring to challenge the bullies who tried to silence him.

We all saw how his opponents used his language to try to avoid discussing the uncomfortable truths he raised.

Yet comment boards on the mainstream media were about 80% in Mr Blooms favour. Even in the Guardian it was only 50/50. I think our 'opinion leaders'were shocked that he public did not allow itself to be manipulated as they would have preferred.

I wonder wht the lessons are?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The man is a her for having the balls to say what he thinks and aring to challenge the bullies who tried to silence him.

We all saw how his opponents used his language to try to avoid discussing the uncomfortable truths he raised.

Yet comment boards on the mainstream media were about 80% in Mr Blooms favour. Even in the Guardian it was only 50/50. I think our 'opinion leaders'were shocked that he public did not allow itself to be manipulated as they would have preferred.

I wonder wht the lessons are?"

"Challenge bullies"? He's a monumental twat who's got the IQ of a goat. However what he is, is a brilliant self promoter. Sadly any of his useful ideas are shrouded in his use of outdated and outmoded language.

His concept of foreign aid is also surreal and I suggest he gets off his arse and goes and looks at projects that work rather than distracting with sensationalist shit which has no basis in reality. Oh and don't criticise me as I've got the balls to say what I think? What a load of shit! If he's got balls then he should stand up and take it, not walk out of interviews like a petulant child.

He's in his 60's and needs to grow the fuck up!

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

Thats all a bit unfair. Opinion polls showed that most people agreed with him on wasted foreign aid.

Why the extreme language I wonder from those who disagree with him? Everyone is entitled to have a view.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Thats all a bit unfair. Opinion polls showed that most people agreed with him on wasted foreign aid.

Why the extreme language I wonder from those who disagree with him? Everyone is entitled to have a view."

I agree with him, but iv got a low IQ so what do i know.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Thats all a bit unfair. Opinion polls showed that most people agreed with him on wasted foreign aid.

Why the extreme language I wonder from those who disagree with him? Everyone is entitled to have a view."

Unfair?

He's used racist language to describe large sections of sub Saharan Africa and then said he's been told to say he's sorry but he doesn't know why

He says pregnant women should be sacked

Which bit do you think I'm being unfair about?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and mine is he's a monumental twat.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"..............

Why the extreme language I wonder from those who disagree with him? Everyone is entitled to have a view."

So long as that view agrees with the mob's view.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who? And UKIP? Should they not be the home counties independence party? Like others have said let them rant and show what eejits they really are

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto


"

Why the extreme language I wonder from those who disagree with him? Everyone is entitled to have a view."

No, actually you are only entitled to what you can argue for.

The more people who can learn to construct and defend an argument, and recognise when a belief or viewpoint has become indefensible, the better.

You are welcome to give your viewpoint. Just as everyone else is welcome to accept or dismiss that viewpoint based on the case presented.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Thats all a bit unfair. Opinion polls showed that most people agreed with him on wasted foreign aid.

Why the extreme language I wonder from those who disagree with him? Everyone is entitled to have a view."

Indeed - some peoples views move on and some like yours and his apparently don't.

Hardly helps to debate the serious issue of foreign aid if the debate becomes instead about the outdated attitude.

But you can still express your view - as can others on yours. But don't kid yourself that you're in a majority based on your own bubble.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Why the extreme language I wonder from those who disagree with him? Everyone is entitled to have a view.

No, actually you are only entitled to what you can argue for.

The more people who can learn to construct and defend an argument, and recognise when a belief or viewpoint has become indefensible, the better.

You are welcome to give your viewpoint. Just as everyone else is welcome to accept or dismiss that viewpoint based on the case presented."

I sort of agree with you and wish it was the case. However I think everyone seems to think their view should be equitable to those who know what they're talking about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Why the extreme language I wonder from those who disagree with him? Everyone is entitled to have a view.

No, actually you are only entitled to what you can argue for.

The more people who can learn to construct and defend an argument, and recognise when a belief or viewpoint has become indefensible, the better.

You are welcome to give your viewpoint. Just as everyone else is welcome to accept or dismiss that viewpoint based on the case presented.

I sort of agree with you and wish it was the case. However I think everyone seems to think their view should be equitable to those who know what they're talking about. "

And who exactly is the judge of that ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Why the extreme language I wonder from those who disagree with him? Everyone is entitled to have a view.

No, actually you are only entitled to what you can argue for.

The more people who can learn to construct and defend an argument, and recognise when a belief or viewpoint has become indefensible, the better.

You are welcome to give your viewpoint. Just as everyone else is welcome to accept or dismiss that viewpoint based on the case presented."

This is the most sensible thing I've seen posted in ages. The mistaken belief brought on by the media in general that anyone's opinion on any given subject is equally valid. Regardless of whether they can argue a case or not.

In this case a lot of people who support Blooms ridiculous comments are of the impression we actually give cash aid to all these countries.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Why the extreme language I wonder from those who disagree with him? Everyone is entitled to have a view.

No, actually you are only entitled to what you can argue for.

The more people who can learn to construct and defend an argument, and recognise when a belief or viewpoint has become indefensible, the better.

You are welcome to give your viewpoint. Just as everyone else is welcome to accept or dismiss that viewpoint based on the case presented.

I sort of agree with you and wish it was the case. However I think everyone seems to think their view should be equitable to those who know what they're talking about.

And who exactly is the judge of that ?"

You, me, everybody? That's how it works isn't it?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Who? And UKIP? Should they not be the home counties independence party? Like others have said let them rant and show what eejits they really are"

Are UKIP really so very far removed from the EDL and isn't the EDL strong in the Midlands and North of England?

There seems to be a right-wing move to outflank the Tories here - despite certain Tories rushing further to the right than Atilla the Hun.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who? And UKIP? Should they not be the home counties independence party? Like others have said let them rant and show what eejits they really are

Are UKIP really so very far removed from the EDL and isn't the EDL strong in the Midlands and North of England?

There seems to be a right-wing move to outflank the Tories here - despite certain Tories rushing further to the right than Atilla the Hun."

If it weakens the Tories I might have to sign up as a protest vote. Although I tried that with the LibDems and look what happened there

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

Was nonone REALLY offended by what he sai?

He argued his case...it was his opponents who refused to debate. They just launched tirades of abuse.

It saddens me that only those voicing the 'correct'opinions are deemed acceptable...and that others are whipped upinto silencing him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think you've made that point - several times. Nobody argues with the d*unk in the bar.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Why the extreme language I wonder from those who disagree with him? Everyone is entitled to have a view.

No, actually you are only entitled to what you can argue for.

The more people who can learn to construct and defend an argument, and recognise when a belief or viewpoint has become indefensible, the better.

You are welcome to give your viewpoint. Just as everyone else is welcome to accept or dismiss that viewpoint based on the case presented.

I sort of agree with you and wish it was the case. However I think everyone seems to think their view should be equitable to those who know what they're talking about.

And who exactly is the judge of that ?"

If you can back up your argument with evidence that can be substantiated then that's a start. He can't as his concept of what constitutes Aid is flawed. He thinks cash goes straight to dictators from the British tax payer and it doesn't. Not since colonial times has that happened.

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

There is a huge amount of evidence that a lot of the money ends up with dictators. Mr Bloomed referred to the money being taken from poor people here to be used to buy Porsches and Raybans for rich people elsewhere.

He made a good argument although many people chose not to listen, preferring instead to be led astray by politicalmischief makers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There is a huge amount of evidence that a lot of the money ends up with dictators. Mr Bloomed referred to the money being taken from poor people here to be used to buy Porsches and Raybans for rich people elsewhere.

He made a good argument although many people chose not to listen, preferring instead to be led astray by politicalmischief makers"

He made a poor argument by using racist language creating mischief and publicity for himself. The proportion of misappropriated aid (and yes it does happen) is minuscule compared to the volume of aid, he chose to make it sensationalist and detracted from actual problems in the developing world. He continues to use mischeivous language to draw attention to himself and then throws his arms in the air and says "I'm a 67 year old man" and he's unaware that it's offensive. Well in that case he's as thick as pigshit or being mischeivous. Take your pick.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There is a huge amount of evidence that a lot of the money ends up with dictators. Mr Bloomed referred to the money being taken from poor people here to be used to buy Porsches and Raybans for rich people elsewhere.

He made a good argument although many people chose not to listen, preferring instead to be led astray by politicalmischief makers"

So what percentage ends up with dictators and who are they?

There is massive waste of foreign aid - not least in the lack of change it brings about. I'm as cynical as can be about the value of foreign aid and I run an NGO in Sub-Saharan Africa. But it isn't a simple debate.

How many people profit from the poor in this country?

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

Does Mr Bloom willingly and happily rfuse to conform to someone elses speech code? Yes!

Does that make him a racist? No!

People are increasingly sick of all the illiberalism and intolerance that has grown in reent years

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yawn - and I'm sick of reading the same regurgitated boring dribble. If you can't back up the points you've made to form an interesting discussion don't make the points in the first place.

I'm off to find the bloody mustard.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Does Mr Bloom willingly and happily rfuse to conform to someone elses speech code? Yes!

Does that make him a racist? No!

People are increasingly sick of all the illiberalism and intolerance that has grown in reent years"

Sorry "intolerance"? Of racist language?

"People are increasingly sick"? is this wanting to get back to the good old days where we could call a spade a nigger and a Chinese a chinky? I'm sick of people with racist ideas pretending they don't know they're racist or indeed sexist. I'd love to meet these "people" Mr Bloom

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

It's in the pantry.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's in the pantry."

You've spelt panties wrong tsk tsk

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By *ollie_JCouple
over a year ago

London

At least I have learnt a good put down phrase

IQ of a goat

Thanks to whoever wrote that.. Made me chuckle

We keep our dry mustard in the pantry and the wet mustards in the fridge

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"At least I have learnt a good put down phrase

IQ of a goat

Thanks to whoever wrote that.. Made me chuckle

We keep our dry mustard in the pantry and the wet mustards in the fridge"

Why thank you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course we only have English mustard - none of that foreign muck

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Of course we only have English mustard - none of that foreign muck"

My house is like the frigging UN of mustards

French (Dijon), German, English and some sort of chilli type mustard from a market in Norfolk (almost abroad). Funny thing is, I don't eat mustard and my mother sees them all and thinks I do, so buys me more "exotic" ones and I keep reminding her, she's the only one who buys it!

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

How does one actually measure the IQ of a goat?

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By *ollie_JCouple
over a year ago

London


"How does one actually measure the IQ of a goat?"

Carefully

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i happen to think hes right cos women cant park cars for toffee ... (pulls the pin on the handgrenade and lobs it in the post im off cya ) lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Of course we only have English mustard - none of that foreign muck

My house is like the frigging UN of mustards

French (Dijon), German, English and some sort of chilli type mustard from a market in Norfolk (almost abroad). Funny thing is, I don't eat mustard and my mother sees them all and thinks I do, so buys me more "exotic" ones and I keep reminding her, she's the only one who buys it!"

I should be more liberal about my mustard. Might try some with goat.

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

Many people say things that other people fin insulting or offensive.

I am offended all the time...but I prefer to argue my point. I dont join in the kind of Orwellian two minute hate to which people who refuse to ahere to speech codes are subject to.

Speech codes are highly intolerant as they are used to bully non conformists. A liberal person will have no truck with any of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How does one actually measure the IQ of a goat?"

How do you confuse an idiot?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Many people say things that other people fin insulting or offensive.

I am offended all the time...but I prefer to argue my point. I dont join in the kind of Orwellian two minute hate to which people who refuse to ahere to speech codes are subject to.

Speech codes are highly intolerant as they are used to bully non conformists. A liberal person will have no truck with any of it."

Are you suggesting a liberal person is ok with racist language?

As for bullying "non-conformists", I'm afraid you're now venturing into an area where your argument has fallen apart completely. Intolerance of racist language is not used to bully, it's used to protect. "non-conformists" who have racist and sexist ideas aren't non-conformists, they're woefully out of date and are stuck in the 1970's where it was ok to say these things.

You might also want to revisit your Orwell as well. You've used it a number of times here and I don't think you're entirely sure what it means in this context.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


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People are increasingly sick of all the illiberalism and intolerance that has grown in reent years"

its not illiberal to expose and challenge bigots..

maybe those whom are 'sick of this intolerance' should get used to it or maybe they could keep their vile views to themselves..

the total cop out of those who espouse that the 'pc brigade' stop ordinary folk saying what they want is a tired old cliché..

usually used by those bereft of any tolerance toward others not of their own colour..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I will say that the UK will reach the target of 0.7% of national income spent on foreign aid this year. This target is set by the UN. We are ranked 23rd in terms of GDP so perhaps it seems right to shoulder others

In 2011, so I have read, the government conducted a review of the aid they send to countries and countries such as india were cut and somalia and the sudan for example were increased.

The UK also as of 2013 have donated 800 million to something called the GAVI alliance which teams up with charities like UNICEF. They buy vaccines directly and distribute. Bill Gates and his foundation are also a patron.

Beside this I think the underlying motive of Mr Bloom was that however rich we may appear on the world stage, is our house adequately in order to be spending such larges amounts on others.

I'm not going to answer that question, but it's a food for though, racism aside.

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

How illiberalism has become perverted! It means that all have a right to speak even if we dislike their views. Yes,even racists for who defines what racism is?

Perhaps you might enlighten me as t what Orwell really meant.


"Many people say things that other people fin insulting or offensive.

I am offended all the time...but I prefer to argue my point. I dont join in the kind of Orwellian two minute hate to which people who refuse to ahere to speech codes are subject to.

Speech codes are highly intolerant as they are used to bully non conformists. A liberal person will have no truck with any of it.

Are you suggesting a liberal person is ok with racist language?

As for bullying "non-conformists", I'm afraid you're now venturing into an area where your argument has fallen apart completely. Intolerance of racist language is not used to bully, it's used to protect. "non-conformists" who have racist and sexist ideas aren't non-conformists, they're woefully out of date and are stuck in the 1970's where it was ok to say these things.

You might also want to revisit your Orwell as well. You've used it a number of times here and I don't think you're entirely sure what it means in this context."

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

OK Godfrey does tend to shoot from the hip, but dig a bit deeper and he does make a fair point. Many small businesses are scared to death of employing women of child bearing age because of the commitment it is forced to make to unborn or as yet conceived children. Surely relaxing the rules would make employers more likely to employ women and give women many advantages in the workplace. Basically he is right but he sometimes has a rather strange way of getting his point across.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"i happen to think hes right cos women cant park cars for toffee ... (pulls the pin on the handgrenade and lobs it in the post im off cya ) lol"

So you've met my ex Mrs then

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Historically, "relaxing the rules" has tended to make working lives harder rather than easier.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How illiberalism has become perverted! It means that all have a right to speak even if we dislike their views. Yes,even racists for who defines what racism is?

Perhaps you might enlighten me as t what Orwell really meant.

Many people say things that other people fin insulting or offensive.

I am offended all the time...but I prefer to argue my point. I dont join in the kind of Orwellian two minute hate to which people who refuse to ahere to speech codes are subject to.

Speech codes are highly intolerant as they are used to bully non conformists. A liberal person will have no truck with any of it.

Are you suggesting a liberal person is ok with racist language?

As for bullying "non-conformists", I'm afraid you're now venturing into an area where your argument has fallen apart completely. Intolerance of racist language is not used to bully, it's used to protect. "non-conformists" who have racist and sexist ideas aren't non-conformists, they're woefully out of date and are stuck in the 1970's where it was ok to say these things.

You might also want to revisit your Orwell as well. You've used it a number of times here and I don't think you're entirely sure what it means in this context."

Actually liberalism hasn't become perverted. He's entirely able and allowed to say the things he says and we are entirely at liberty to call him on the shit he says, or does liberalism only count towards talking shit?

You've used Orwellian a number of times and you've used it only when other people have disagreed with what you believe. You seem to feel we can't criticise your dear old mr bloom because he speaks the truth whereas we are trying to supress the truth..... hmm speaking of Orwellian.

If you don't want him criticised for his outdated thoughts and ideas, then either he should shut up or he should get used to be called out on it.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"Historically, "relaxing the rules" has tended to make working lives harder rather than easier."

And also historically more rules invariably means less jobs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Historically, "relaxing the rules" has tended to make working lives harder rather than easier."

That's not true. Relaxing the banking

Rules has meant they found it

Much easier to fuck up the system

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Bless him..yesterday said that women are more suited to 'finding mustard in a pantry than parking a car'...Pantry!..too much Downtown Abbey Godfrey...silly little man."

I live in a old house that has a pantry

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Problem is Torjames you appear to have set yourself up as some sort of arbiter of what is and isn't acceptable language. Now who exactly gave you that right?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Historically, "relaxing the rules" has tended to make working lives harder rather than easier.

That's not true. Relaxing the banking

Rules has meant they found it

Much easier to fuck up the system"

This was in the context of working women's lives.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Problem is Torjames you appear to have set yourself up as some sort of arbiter of what is and isn't acceptable language. Now who exactly gave you that right? "

Have I?

When did that happen?

I think maybe I'll refer to Mr Blooms own party leader on that as UKIP seem to have all the answers.

Nice try.

Racist language hasn't been acceptable for a while now, or did you miss the meeting?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Historically, "relaxing the rules" has tended to make working lives harder rather than easier.

That's not true. Relaxing the banking

Rules has meant they found it

Much easier to fuck up the system

This was in the context of working women's lives."

lol, I know.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Try to answer the question Torjames when did you become judge and jury on here?

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

Orwell wrote of newspeak,haecrime, groupthink,mind control, the two minute authorised hates etc etc.

He wrote of attempts to make everyone thinkthe same...or at least speak the same. Out of fear.

I am glad that Mr Bloom is refusing to conform. You can agree with him or disagree and thats OK...he wont try to silence tou.

That is the mark of a tolerant society.

His enemies might like to reflect

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Try to answer the question Torjames when did you become judge and jury on here?"

I did answer the question, have a read. I didn't decide it was a racist comment, before I'd agreed that it was a racist comment, UKIP's own party leader said it was racist.

As for Judge and Jury, what are you talking about? I haven't convicted or prosecuted anyone. The only thing that has happened is that I think he talks shit, I've been told that I can't think that because it's Orwellian to not allow people to express their views (which is ironic in itself) When did you become the barrister for Mr Blooms defence team? if we're going to ask bizarre questions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Orwell wrote of newspeak,haecrime, groupthink,mind control, the two minute authorised hates etc etc.

He wrote of attempts to make everyone thinkthe same...or at least speak the same. Out of fear.

I am glad that Mr Bloom is refusing to conform. You can agree with him or disagree and thats OK...he wont try to silence tou.

That is the mark of a tolerant society.

His enemies might like to reflect"

Nobody is trying to silence him (apart from maybe his own party). I think he should carry on talking as it exposes him more and more.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Well that is a bizarre question. About the only thing we shall agree on.Actually I think it's quite healthy when people in political parties publicly disagree with each other.It's called an open debate.Otherwise you end up with Fascism or a Communist dictatorship.

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By *S_PennyTV/TS
over a year ago

Selby

I like how in this thread the people with privelidge I.e men are trying to justify his sexist comments and then suggesting women saying things like man-flu is getting is being sexist.

Typical. You really don't get it do you.

Being white and male and from an econmically developed country makes you anongst the group of people with the highest level of privelidge in the world. So of course anyone without that privelidge is likely to get upset and angry when you say things about them that are sexist or racist or elitist. Or are we meant to just put up with it and shut up complaining and calling them up for their far from liberal views.

No wonder this oaf is being lambasted for his ignorant racist & misogynst views.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well that is a bizarre question. About the only thing we shall agree on.Actually I think it's quite healthy when people in political parties publicly disagree with each other.It's called an open debate.Otherwise you end up with Fascism or a Communist dictatorship."

So, when are you going to ask Mr Farange who made him judge and jury on language?

Although we agree on two things

I too agree that politicians should publically disagree with each other on occasion as it reflects reality. Nobody joins a group and agrees with everything the group does (unless you're a mooney or a scientologist) it's worse than Communism or Facism it's a cult.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He is entitled to say what he thinks. More people should try it.

He does it to make the point that people should not be bullied into silence. I am not sure he even believes a lot of it but even if he does he is of a generation etc.

People should just relax.

He can't both say what he thinks and not believe what he says? "
lshmsfoaidmt!!!!!

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto


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Typical. You really don't get it do you.

Being white and male and from an econmically developed country makes you anongst the group of people with the highest level of privelidge in the world.

"

I'm afraid this is too high brow a line of thinking for some people. Checking their privilege is not something they've ever had to do, they live life in "easy-mode". Which is why, to them, the comments by Bloom don't seem out of place or offensive.

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By *S_PennyTV/TS
over a year ago

Selby

I fear that is the case too.

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs


"I like how in this thread the people with privelidge I.e men are trying to justify his sexist comments and then suggesting women saying things like man-flu is getting is being sexist.

Typical. You really don't get it do you.

Being white and male and from an econmically developed country makes you anongst the group of people with the highest level of privelidge in the world. So of course anyone without that privelidge is likely to get upset and angry when you say things about them that are sexist or racist or elitist. Or are we meant to just put up with it and shut up complaining and calling them up for their far from liberal views.

No wonder this oaf is being lambasted for his ignorant racist & misogynst views.

Bizarre. Do I understand you correctly? Are you saying that unless you are black or a woman or born poor that you arent entitled to a view or that your view is worth less? Conversely that only blacks, women have views that should be listened to?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Typical. You really don't get it do you.

Being white and male and from an econmically developed country makes you anongst the group of people with the highest level of privelidge in the world.

I'm afraid this is too high brow a line of thinking for some people. Checking their privilege is not something they've ever had to do, they live life in "easy-mode". Which is why, to them, the comments by Bloom don't seem out of place or offensive."

When he speaks, I feel like I've been transported back to 1977. It's like he never grew up and finds himself quite funny in a playground kind of way. Personally I think he's an attention seeker who knows he's going to cause offence and then throws his arms in the air and says "what did I say?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I like how in this thread the people with privelidge I.e men are trying to justify his sexist comments and then suggesting women saying things like man-flu is getting is being sexist.

Typical. You really don't get it do you.

Being white and male and from an econmically developed country makes you anongst the group of people with the highest level of privelidge in the world. So of course anyone without that privelidge is likely to get upset and angry when you say things about them that are sexist or racist or elitist. Or are we meant to just put up with it and shut up complaining and calling them up for their far from liberal views.

No wonder this oaf is being lambasted for his ignorant racist & misogynst views.

Bizarre. Do I understand you correctly? Are you saying that unless you are black or a woman or born poor that you arent entitled to a view or that your view is worth less? Conversely that only blacks, women have views that should be listened to?

"

Nope what they're saying is, that you can't see how blacks and women find him offensive and you're not putting yourselves in their shoes, in fact, if you did you'd understand what the language he uses means. You are male (I'm assuming) so have no idea what it's truly like to be a woman in the workplace or society, I'm assuming from your posts that you're not from an ethnic minority and therefore your understanding of racism is going to be different. However, if you had some empathy or experience of these things, then perhaps your argument would hold more water.

You want us to be more libertarian, but you don't want us to suggest his views are offensive to people. When those same people say they're offensive, you suggest they're stifling libertarian ideals. I'm afraid you can't have this everyway you want it.

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By *S_PennyTV/TS
over a year ago

Selby

No actually actually I am female. My passport says I am. I'm still pre-op admittedly but once I've had op I can change my birth cert too to reflect who I am. And to be honest. Transexuals are not high on the privilege scale. So I have up what considerable privilege I did have. And I can promise you it is very notable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"OK Godfrey does tend to shoot from the hip, but dig a bit deeper and he does make a fair point. Many small businesses are scared to death of employing women of child bearing age because of the commitment it is forced to make to unborn or as yet conceived children. Surely relaxing the rules would make employers more likely to employ women and give women many advantages in the workplace. Basically he is right but he sometimes has a rather strange way of getting his point across.

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By *S_PennyTV/TS
over a year ago

Selby

Given up that should have read.

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

No,you are wrong. You dont have any 'privilege'at all. Your opinions have to join the queue equally with the rest of us.

Are you saing that some peoples view count and that some peoples dont? Is tha democratic?What a scary and authoritarian notion.


"No actually actually I am female. My passport says I am. I'm still pre-op admittedly but once I've had op I can change my birth cert too to reflect who I am. And to be honest. Transexuals are not high on the privilege scale. So I have up what considerable privilege I did have. And I can promise you it is very notable. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Actually that's a fact - the world isn't a democracy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry all opinions are not equally valid. Brian Cox has more knowledge about scientific principles therefore his views are immediately more valid than a psychic. Someone with a medical degree knows more about medicine than your mate down the pub and someone with post graduate degree in development economics knows more about aid than Godfrey

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By *lackshadow7Man
over a year ago

Toronto


"and someone with post graduate degree in development economics knows more about aid than Godfrey "

Couldn't agree more.

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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago

folkestone


"

Typical. You really don't get it do you.

Being white and male and from an econmically developed country makes you anongst the group of people with the highest level of privelidge in the world.

I'm afraid this is too high brow a line of thinking for some people. Checking their privilege is not something they've ever had to do, they live life in "easy-mode". Which is why, to them, the comments by Bloom don't seem out of place or offensive."

Complete bollocks. Try asking some of the people who lived in britain after the second world war and ask them how easy life was then. Ill gladly get some of my elderly relatives to fill you in on what it was like to live in post war britain.

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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago

folkestone


"Sorry all opinions are not equally valid. Brian Cox has more knowledge about scientific principles therefore his views are immediately more valid than a psychic. Someone with a medical degree knows more about medicine than your mate down the pub and someone with post graduate degree in development economics knows more about aid than Godfrey "

Interesting debate. Makes me think of the advice from scientists that you shouldn't eat more than 2 eggs a week because they were bad for you. Then scroll on a few years, another scientist declares actually they got it wrong and eggs aren't bad for you after all. My gran always ignored the advice and carried on eating eggs as she always had and lived to 90.

I could list numerous examples of so called 'experts' who may well be more qualified, but that doesn't mean their right.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Sorry all opinions are not equally valid. Brian Cox has more knowledge about scientific principles therefore his views are immediately more valid than a psychic. Someone with a medical degree knows more about medicine than your mate down the pub and someone with post graduate degree in development economics knows more about aid than Godfrey "

And Brian Cox has a really loud voice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sums UKIP up.bunch of wankers

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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago

folkestone


"Sorry all opinions are not equally valid. Brian Cox has more knowledge about scientific principles therefore his views are immediately more valid than a psychic. Someone with a medical degree knows more about medicine than your mate down the pub and someone with post graduate degree in development economics knows more about aid than Godfrey

And Brian Cox has a really loud voice "

And he used to be in D:REAM

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


".........

Interesting debate. Makes me think of the advice from scientists that you shouldn't eat more than 2 eggs a week because they were bad for you. Then scroll on a few years, another scientist declares actually they got it wrong and eggs aren't bad for you after all. My gran always ignored the advice and carried on eating eggs as she always had and lived to 90.

......... "

I can't imagine a scientist saying either of those things.

Someone like Edwina Currie saying them? Yes, I could believe that.

The bit about granny's age is irrelevant. You've no way of knowing if she'd have lived to 100 if she hadn't eaten eggs at all (unless she went under a bus).

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

the real question would be this

would he use the term "bongo bongo land" in front of those who could be offended by the term....

if the answer is no..... then don't use it!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sorry all opinions are not equally valid. Brian Cox has more knowledge about scientific principles therefore his views are immediately more valid than a psychic. Someone with a medical degree knows more about medicine than your mate down the pub and someone with post graduate degree in development economics knows more about aid than Godfrey

Interesting debate. Makes me think of the advice from scientists that you shouldn't eat more than 2 eggs a week because they were bad for you. Then scroll on a few years, another scientist declares actually they got it wrong and eggs aren't bad for you after all. My gran always ignored the advice and carried on eating eggs as she always had and lived to 90.

I could list numerous examples of so called 'experts' who may well be more qualified, but that doesn't mean their right. "

Bet you I can list more experts who were right. Polio, smallpox, cholera, diphtheria all controlled through "aid" programmes. Gravity, the earth being a sphere, all identified by experts using experimentation and

Research not just spouting shit everytime a microphone is pointed at them. I'm sure your granny is a genius, but I suspect the two eggs weren't the reason for her longevity.

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over a year ago


"the real question would be this

would he use the term "bongo bongo land" in front of those who could be offended by the term....

if the answer is no..... then don't use it!!!!"

Lol the problem is I think he would and then he'd say "see I told you they're Orwellian in nature and clearly stifling my freedom of thought"

Of words to that effect

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"the real question would be this

would he use the term "bongo bongo land" in front of those who could be offended by the term....

if the answer is no..... then don't use it!!!!"

The real question is 'who would GENUINELY be offended by the use of the term bongo bongo land'?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

The truth, especially about science, doesn't always suit government policy.

Remember David Nutt? Told the truth, backed it up with peer reviewed data, got himself sacked.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

His sexist comments support those employers breaking the law on employing women. But that's ok as he's just stating what the "majority" (who only feel exercised to cast their vote if it's electronic and will appear immediately on the television, a newspaper or website).

Heaven help anyone who isn't white and male if that is the "majority" view (which, must include some of the half of the population who are female).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Typical. You really don't get it do you.

Being white and male and from an econmically developed country makes you anongst the group of people with the highest level of privelidge in the world.

I'm afraid this is too high brow a line of thinking for some people. Checking their privilege is not something they've ever had to do, they live life in "easy-mode". Which is why, to them, the comments by Bloom don't seem out of place or offensive.

Complete bollocks. Try asking some of the people who lived in britain after the second world war and ask them how easy life was then. Ill gladly get some of my elderly relatives to fill you in on what it was like to live in post war britain. "

Why not go back to Roman times - or maybe further still and we can debate who had the best cave to live in?

No offence meant to those people in this country who still live in them.

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