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"Oops! For pinch read copy and paste from elsewhere... "Great that you live up to your username, jumping to that conclusion and trying to shame me before I reply kind of supports what I am saying. Cut and paste into google and see if the words match anything else out there if you like. Just me I'm afraid. | |||
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"Ignoring the sniping for a second, I posted a very similar thread on the support forum a couple of weeks ago. My rationale was I would love to go to a spa for a day in London, but while I'm happy with my own company and could probably take a book to read while lounging in the sun / pool / bar, it would probably be more relaxing to go with someone else. For us single men - lowest in the food chain on here - it would probably make spa visits / socials / clubs less daunting! What does anyone else think?" Exactly, my thought is to have a social before the club or spa to build some sort of rapport as a group. | |||
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" For us single men - lowest in the food chain on here - it would probably make spa visits / socials / clubs less daunting! What does anyone else think?" You really think that? Speak for yourself. I wouldn't think of myself at the bottom of any chain. | |||
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"I have a much more success then on here. It's much easier to express yourself and start a conversation in real life then in a message" On two months with one veri by cam. I dont know if you have rejoined and have been here years really, but unless wanking over cams is all your after, you aint doing too good. If you have been here for two months, you will still be welcome in the wingman club in six months time if your opinion changes | |||
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"So many guys look like they're at a loose end at clubs sometimes,I think its nice to go anywhere with someone else as a bit of support or to have a bit of a laugh with,as long as you don't get grumpy if one of you ends up having more fun than the other "That's it exactly - just makes life easier. I've been to a few places solo where I've just ended up being a wallflower, particularly if I'm not entirely in the mood. Having someone else who you've met with beforehand and get on with would help. No EDL members please! | |||
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" For us single men - lowest in the food chain on here - it would probably make spa visits / socials / clubs less daunting! What does anyone else think? You really think that? Speak for yourself. I wouldn't think of myself at the bottom of any chain. " 7 veris and a profile I want to steal! You are my idol! Lol, not really, but kudos mate, I laughed my socks off reading it. Then realised how hairy my feet are 
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"So many guys look like they're at a loose end at clubs sometimes,I think its nice to go anywhere with someone else as a bit of support or to have a bit of a laugh with,as long as you don't get grumpy if one of you ends up having more fun than the other " | |||
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"I have a much more success then on here. It's much easier to express yourself and start a conversation in real life then in a message On two months with one veri by cam. I dont know if you have rejoined and have been here years really, but unless wanking over cams is all your after, you aint doing too good. If you have been here for two months, you will still be welcome in the wingman club in six months time if your opinion changes "I think he meant he has more success in the real world but missed a word or two. | |||
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" For us single men - lowest in the food chain on here - it would probably make spa visits / socials / clubs less daunting! What does anyone else think? You really think that? Speak for yourself. I wouldn't think of myself at the bottom of any chain. 7 veris and a profile I want to steal! You are my idol! Lol, not really, but kudos mate, I laughed my socks off reading it. Then realised how hairy my feet are
Safe to say you know how to play the game."Blimey don't tell him that it will go to his head | |||
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" For us single men - lowest in the food chain on here - it would probably make spa visits / socials / clubs less daunting! What does anyone else think? You really think that? Speak for yourself. I wouldn't think of myself at the bottom of any chain. 7 veris and a profile I want to steal! You are my idol! Lol, not really, but kudos mate, I laughed my socks off reading it. Then realised how hairy my feet are
Safe to say you know how to play the game."The thing is, it's not about playing a game. Be yourself, make friends, have fun. Don't think with your cock (not saying you are of course) However I agree to the point about having a mate to go to places with could be pretty good | |||
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" For us single men - lowest in the food chain on here - it would probably make spa visits / socials / clubs less daunting! What does anyone else think? You really think that? Speak for yourself. I wouldn't think of myself at the bottom of any chain. " Single women (top) V Couples V Single men (bottom) Why do single males pay double the couple and triple the single female price? Single males are a cheap and plentiful commodity on here, its about supply and demand. | |||
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"I have a much more success then on here. It's much easier to express yourself and start a conversation in real life then in a message On two months with one veri by cam. I dont know if you have rejoined and have been here years really, but unless wanking over cams is all your after, you aint doing too good. If you have been here for two months, you will still be welcome in the wingman club in six months time if your opinion changes
I think he meant he has more success in the real world but missed a word or two."Sorry dude, kind of ironic that I should misunderstand your message will discussing the benefits of the real world | |||
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" For us single men - lowest in the food chain on here - it would probably make spa visits / socials / clubs less daunting! What does anyone else think? You really think that? Speak for yourself. I wouldn't think of myself at the bottom of any chain. Single women (top) V Couples V Single men (bottom) Why do single males pay double the couple and triple the single female price? Single males are a cheap and plentiful commodity on here, its about supply and demand. " Pay on here? | |||
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" For us single men - lowest in the food chain on here - it would probably make spa visits / socials / clubs less daunting! What does anyone else think? You really think that? Speak for yourself. I wouldn't think of myself at the bottom of any chain. Single women (top) V Couples V Single men (bottom) Why do single males pay double the couple and triple the single female price? Single males are a cheap and plentiful commodity on here, its about supply and demand. Pay on here?" No, at clubs and parties. | |||
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" For us single men - lowest in the food chain on here - it would probably make spa visits / socials / clubs less daunting! What does anyone else think? You really think that? Speak for yourself. I wouldn't think of myself at the bottom of any chain. Single women (top) V Couples V Single men (bottom) Why do single males pay double the couple and triple the single female price? Single males are a cheap and plentiful commodity on here, its about supply and demand. Pay on here? No, at clubs and parties." This site is neither a club or a party | |||
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"The irony is that I am here for the single men and am often a defender of them. I also have a couples card for my local club and frequently take a variety of single men in on it. As far as wingmen go, yes it is good to have someone you know for moral support. But in clubs it can backfire as men who hang around in groups are less likely to be successful than the confident single man who can talk pleasantly in the social areas of the club - so many women and couples have been stalked by the silent pack that we avoid groups of men, even pairs." I can just imagine it! See it quite often in clubs a group of guys in the corner. Personally OP I think it is a bad idea and you would be better of going it alone. Unless you are thinking of setting up a MM profile to organise gangbangs, they seem to work but not in the club scene in my opinion. | |||
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"The irony is that I am here for the single men and am often a defender of them. I also have a couples card for my local club and frequently take a variety of single men in on it. As far as wingmen go, yes it is good to have someone you know for moral support. But in clubs it can backfire as men who hang around in groups are less likely to be successful than the confident single man who can talk pleasantly in the social areas of the club - so many women and couples have been stalked by the silent pack that we avoid groups of men, even pairs." We aren't talking about single confident men who feel able to start conversations. But helping those who dont fit that bill get more confidence and reach that level. Whoever said about not being jealous gets it, a wing man supports, possibly forgoing their chance. Its mutual support, not tag team  | |||
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"The irony is that I am here for the single men and am often a defender of them. I also have a couples card for my local club and frequently take a variety of single men in on it. As far as wingmen go, yes it is good to have someone you know for moral support. But in clubs it can backfire as men who hang around in groups are less likely to be successful than the confident single man who can talk pleasantly in the social areas of the club - so many women and couples have been stalked by the silent pack that we avoid groups of men, even pairs. I can just imagine it! See it quite often in clubs a group of guys in the corner. Personally OP I think it is a bad idea and you would be better of going it alone. Unless you are thinking of setting up a MM profile to organise gangbangs, they seem to work but not in the club scene in my opinion." Lol, ive seen singles turn up seperately and still wander round like a pack of zombies following the least clothed female
I'm not a quitter, I would rather see how it went and try to make it work than never try at all. Your opinion is greatly appreciated though, I always imagined the clubs wouldn't appreciate more than 2-3 single males as a group. | |||
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"Mutual support is all well and good but you completely missed my point that by banding together you actually make yourselves less desirable to your target audience. " To you... I did get your point. I think you missed mine, its a known face in the social area, not a hand to hold in the play area! If I helped my wingman I might enjoy seeing him get his reward, as much as I enjoy watching everyone else at least | |||
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"Mutual support is all well and good but you completely missed my point that by banding together you actually make yourselves less desirable to your target audience. To you... I did get your point. I think you missed mine, its a known face in the social area, not a hand to hold in the play area! If I helped my wingman I might enjoy seeing him get his reward, as much as I enjoy watching everyone else at least "In which case at least one of you is a confident type who has no problem approaching people. When at a club I would give a single guy far more time than a pair, whether I'm alone or with a friend. As for the appreciation thing, I'm there for my own pleasure and if I choose to play in a public room I don't do it to entertain my partners friends. I'd be interested in more female and couple opinions on this. Julie has already posted in agreement with me and since we are your target audience I would suggest you consider our standpoint. | |||
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"Mutual support is all well and good but you completely missed my point that by banding together you actually make yourselves less desirable to your target audience. To you... I did get your point. I think you missed mine, its a known face in the social area, not a hand to hold in the play area! If I helped my wingman I might enjoy seeing him get his reward, as much as I enjoy watching everyone else at least
In which case at least one of you is a confident type who has no problem approaching people.
When at a club I would give a single guy far more time than a pair, whether I'm alone or with a friend.
As for the appreciation thing, I'm there for my own pleasure and if I choose to play in a public room I don't do it to entertain my partners friends.
I'd be interested in more female and couple opinions on this. Julie has already posted in agreement with me and since we are your target audience I would suggest you consider our standpoint."Your standpoint is considered, my opinion wouldnt be entirely swayed by two people alone! An incompetent person does not realise their incompetence until it is pointed out to them, otherwise they wouldn't have been incompetent. My OP talks about pubs etc where you dont have to pay twenty quid to get in. Socialising and helping each other realise their "incompetencies" and building each others confidence approaching people in a club environment. | |||
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"I still think it's a very good idea. " Thank you. And, as your earlier post suggests, if the OP was a single female and asking for another single female wingwoman, I wonder if the whole tone of this thread would have been different!! | |||
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"" For us single men - lowest in the food chain on here - it would probably make spa visits / socials / clubs less daunting! What does anyone else think? You really think that? Speak for yourself. I wouldn't think of myself at the bottom of any chain. Single women (top) V Couples V Single men (bottom) Why do single males pay double the couple and triple the single female price? Single males are a cheap and plentiful commodity on here, its about supply and demand. Pay on here? No, at clubs and parties. This site is neither a club or a party" Yes, but the OP isn't talking about being on here, he's talking about visiting social events / clubs. For instance, take Kestrel's at which I would like to spend an afternoon. The website states the costs for a single visit as Couples-£40 (ie 20 per person), Single ladies-£15, Single men-£50. Add to that the fact that - given I don't have a car - it's two hours to get to via public transport. I'm not going to go all that way just because I want to have sex - if I wanted that I could head to the Sutton parties which are closer and only just a little bit more expensive. I'm going because I'd like a bit of social interaction and to meet with like-minded people. Furthermore, I'm not going to spend my time - single or in a group - sheepishly following women on the chance that something might happen, but I can see that could happen with any male who is unaccompanied by a woman. If I get there and get cold shouldered by everyone, then it could be a waste of time and money, and I would have been sorry to go, which would put me off going again. If there is someone there that I've already interacted with, maybe on here in the chat rooms or in the forums then there is already a friendly face. Doesn't have to be another single male, could be a couple or a single female, but it would just help relax me a little in an unfamiliar situation. My original post was responded to by a beautiful single female fabber and I would take up her offer like a shot... but she lives in Leeds! I guess that I, maybe like the original poster, am worried that a visit might be disastrous and am trying to defend against that a little. Maybe I should just grow a pair, go, and see what happens! "If you read the OP he doesn't refer to clubs, but was concerned about his profile on here..clubs and parties are a different issue. Single guys meet on this site without going to clubs and parties | |||
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"For starters you seem a decent clued up guy OP. A game though it's not. Not for us anyway but you aren't what we look for and vice versa. Guys like Ryan are either exactly what they look for in the respect he's intelligent,easy on the eye and people find him trustworthy. Many single fems and couples host their meets. This is one of the reasons the above qualities near fruit. Gameplayers and those cheating on partners against their knowledge IF they have them OR people have any doubts won't even get replies. Other than that it's a first impression or issue with lack of attraction/connection. We take PayPal Ryan
"I dont agree with cheats, not happy -get out. Not my place to judge though. Thats up to you. You are the company you keep though so it has resonated with me. Like I said earlier though, its probably the best way to realise your own incompetences, practice makes perfect and lessons learnt away from the club could be transferred into a club enviroment. It sounds like a bad idea turning up at the clubs as a group, maybe worth trying but likely to fall flat. At least from the opinions expressed so far. | |||
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"If you read the OP he doesn't refer to clubs, but was concerned about his profile on here..clubs and parties are a different issue. Single guys meet on this site without going to clubs and parties" No, but he did mention clubs in his next post. But I take your point, I had assumed - because of why I have an interest in this thread - that he meant clubs or spas, and they certainly do charge single men a lot more, because they can!! | |||
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"I still think it's a very good idea. Thank you. And, as your earlier post suggests, if the OP was a single female and asking for another single female wingwoman, I wonder if the whole tone of this thread would have been different!! "Oi Oi ! I suggested nothing like that...... Blimey ... Im a little more transparent. If im saying something it gets said. | |||
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"Mutual support is all well and good but you completely missed my point that by banding together you actually make yourselves less desirable to your target audience. To you... I did get your point. I think you missed mine, its a known face in the social area, not a hand to hold in the play area! If I helped my wingman I might enjoy seeing him get his reward, as much as I enjoy watching everyone else at least
In which case at least one of you is a confident type who has no problem approaching people.
When at a club I would give a single guy far more time than a pair, whether I'm alone or with a friend.
As for the appreciation thing, I'm there for my own pleasure and if I choose to play in a public room I don't do it to entertain my partners friends.
I'd be interested in more female and couple opinions on this. Julie has already posted in agreement with me and since we are your target audience I would suggest you consider our standpoint."I do entirely agree, at a social everyone mingles with each other and tends to be more friendly with some than others as they know them better. So in that scenario having a mate with you, would not increase your chances. As I said in a club I would personally rather be approached by a single guy than a couple of guys or more. I have seen it and it doesn't work well. In one scenario a couple of guys both interested in playing with us made us have to choose one and his mate banged on the private room we were in as felt it wasn't fair he wasn't getting a piece of the action! | |||
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"I still think it's a very good idea. Thank you. And, as your earlier post suggests, if the OP was a single female and asking for another single female wingwoman, I wonder if the whole tone of this thread would have been different!!
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I suggested nothing like that......
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Im a little more transparent. If im saying something it gets said.
"Sorry, badly phrased, what I meant was that if two women went it would be naturally accepted that they are supporting each other in a friendly way, whereas if 2 guys go, it is assumed that they are hunting as a pack and that would put other people off, as other posters have stated.  | |||
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"" For us single men - lowest in the food chain on here - it would probably make spa visits / socials / clubs less daunting! What does anyone else think? You really think that? Speak for yourself. I wouldn't think of myself at the bottom of any chain. Single women (top) V Couples V Single men (bottom) Why do single males pay double the couple and triple the single female price? Single males are a cheap and plentiful commodity on here, its about supply and demand. Pay on here? No, at clubs and parties. This site is neither a club or a party" Yes, but the OP isn't talking about being on here, he's talking about visiting social events / clubs. For instance, take Kestrel's at which I would like to spend an afternoon. The website states the costs for a single visit as Couples-£40 (ie 20 per person), Single ladies-£15, Single men-£50. Add to that the fact that - given I don't have a car - it's two hours to get to via public transport. I'm not going to go all that way just because I want to have sex - if I wanted that I could head to the Sutton parties which are closer and only just a little bit more expensive. I'm going because I'd like a bit of social interaction and to meet with like-minded people. Furthermore, I'm not going to spend my time - single or in a group - sheepishly following women on the chance that something might happen, but I can see that could happen with any male who is unaccompanied by a woman. If I get there and get cold shouldered by everyone, then it could be a waste of time and money, and I would have been sorry to go, which would put me off going again. If there is someone there that I've already interacted with, maybe on here in the chat rooms or in the forums then there is already a friendly face. Doesn't have to be another single male, could be a couple or a single female, but it would just help relax me a little in an unfamiliar situation. My original post was responded to by a beautiful single female fabber and I would take up her offer like a shot... but she lives in Leeds! I guess that I, maybe like the original poster, am worried that a visit might be disastrous and am trying to defend against that a little. Maybe I should just grow a pair, go, and see what happens!
If you read the OP he doesn't refer to clubs, but was concerned about his profile on here..clubs and parties are a different issue. Single guys meet on this site without going to clubs and parties"No, im giving up meeting women on here. I, possibly along with others, have better odds meeting guys in a similar situation from here for a social and finding women in pubs to get used to "pulling". I have accepted my inability to write an effective profile  | |||
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"" For us single men - lowest in the food chain on here - it would probably make spa visits / socials / clubs less daunting! What does anyone else think? You really think that? Speak for yourself. I wouldn't think of myself at the bottom of any chain. Single women (top) V Couples V Single men (bottom) Why do single males pay double the couple and triple the single female price? Single males are a cheap and plentiful commodity on here, its about supply and demand. Pay on here? No, at clubs and parties. This site is neither a club or a party" Yes, but the OP isn't talking about being on here, he's talking about visiting social events / clubs. For instance, take Kestrel's at which I would like to spend an afternoon. The website states the costs for a single visit as Couples-£40 (ie 20 per person), Single ladies-£15, Single men-£50. Add to that the fact that - given I don't have a car - it's two hours to get to via public transport. I'm not going to go all that way just because I want to have sex - if I wanted that I could head to the Sutton parties which are closer and only just a little bit more expensive. I'm going because I'd like a bit of social interaction and to meet with like-minded people. Furthermore, I'm not going to spend my time - single or in a group - sheepishly following women on the chance that something might happen, but I can see that could happen with any male who is unaccompanied by a woman. If I get there and get cold shouldered by everyone, then it could be a waste of time and money, and I would have been sorry to go, which would put me off going again. If there is someone there that I've already interacted with, maybe on here in the chat rooms or in the forums then there is already a friendly face. Doesn't have to be another single male, could be a couple or a single female, but it would just help relax me a little in an unfamiliar situation. My original post was responded to by a beautiful single female fabber and I would take up her offer like a shot... but she lives in Leeds! I guess that I, maybe like the original poster, am worried that a visit might be disastrous and am trying to defend against that a little. Maybe I should just grow a pair, go, and see what happens!
If you read the OP he doesn't refer to clubs, but was concerned about his profile on here..clubs and parties are a different issue. Single guys meet on this site without going to clubs and parties
No, im giving up meeting women on here. I, possibly along with others, have better odds meeting guys in a similar situation from here for a social and finding women in pubs to get used to "pulling".
I have accepted my inability to write an effective profile "I personally do not see anything wrong with your profile. | |||
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"" For us single men - lowest in the food chain on here - it would probably make spa visits / socials / clubs less daunting! What does anyone else think? You really think that? Speak for yourself. I wouldn't think of myself at the bottom of any chain. Single women (top) V Couples V Single men (bottom) Why do single males pay double the couple and triple the single female price? Single males are a cheap and plentiful commodity on here, its about supply and demand. Pay on here? No, at clubs and parties. This site is neither a club or a party" Yes, but the OP isn't talking about being on here, he's talking about visiting social events / clubs. For instance, take Kestrel's at which I would like to spend an afternoon. The website states the costs for a single visit as Couples-£40 (ie 20 per person), Single ladies-£15, Single men-£50. Add to that the fact that - given I don't have a car - it's two hours to get to via public transport. I'm not going to go all that way just because I want to have sex - if I wanted that I could head to the Sutton parties which are closer and only just a little bit more expensive. I'm going because I'd like a bit of social interaction and to meet with like-minded people. Furthermore, I'm not going to spend my time - single or in a group - sheepishly following women on the chance that something might happen, but I can see that could happen with any male who is unaccompanied by a woman. If I get there and get cold shouldered by everyone, then it could be a waste of time and money, and I would have been sorry to go, which would put me off going again. If there is someone there that I've already interacted with, maybe on here in the chat rooms or in the forums then there is already a friendly face. Doesn't have to be another single male, could be a couple or a single female, but it would just help relax me a little in an unfamiliar situation. My original post was responded to by a beautiful single female fabber and I would take up her offer like a shot... but she lives in Leeds! I guess that I, maybe like the original poster, am worried that a visit might be disastrous and am trying to defend against that a little. Maybe I should just grow a pair, go, and see what happens!
If you read the OP he doesn't refer to clubs, but was concerned about his profile on here..clubs and parties are a different issue. Single guys meet on this site without going to clubs and parties
No, im giving up meeting women on here. I, possibly along with others, have better odds meeting guys in a similar situation from here for a social and finding women in pubs to get used to "pulling".
I have accepted my inability to write an effective profile
I personally do not see anything wrong with your profile. "Then it must be my inabilty to write a rivetting introduction message and the pictures attached! Either way, I'm not making much of a splash! | |||
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"" For us single men - lowest in the food chain on here - it would probably make spa visits / socials / clubs less daunting! What does anyone else think? You really think that? Speak for yourself. I wouldn't think of myself at the bottom of any chain. Single women (top) V Couples V Single men (bottom) Why do single males pay double the couple and triple the single female price? Single males are a cheap and plentiful commodity on here, its about supply and demand. Pay on here? No, at clubs and parties. This site is neither a club or a party" Yes, but the OP isn't talking about being on here, he's talking about visiting social events / clubs. For instance, take Kestrel's at which I would like to spend an afternoon. The website states the costs for a single visit as Couples-£40 (ie 20 per person), Single ladies-£15, Single men-£50. Add to that the fact that - given I don't have a car - it's two hours to get to via public transport. I'm not going to go all that way just because I want to have sex - if I wanted that I could head to the Sutton parties which are closer and only just a little bit more expensive. I'm going because I'd like a bit of social interaction and to meet with like-minded people. Furthermore, I'm not going to spend my time - single or in a group - sheepishly following women on the chance that something might happen, but I can see that could happen with any male who is unaccompanied by a woman. If I get there and get cold shouldered by everyone, then it could be a waste of time and money, and I would have been sorry to go, which would put me off going again. If there is someone there that I've already interacted with, maybe on here in the chat rooms or in the forums then there is already a friendly face. Doesn't have to be another single male, could be a couple or a single female, but it would just help relax me a little in an unfamiliar situation. My original post was responded to by a beautiful single female fabber and I would take up her offer like a shot... but she lives in Leeds! I guess that I, maybe like the original poster, am worried that a visit might be disastrous and am trying to defend against that a little. Maybe I should just grow a pair, go, and see what happens!
If you read the OP he doesn't refer to clubs, but was concerned about his profile on here..clubs and parties are a different issue. Single guys meet on this site without going to clubs and parties
No, im giving up meeting women on here. I, possibly along with others, have better odds meeting guys in a similar situation from here for a social and finding women in pubs to get used to "pulling".
I have accepted my inability to write an effective profile
I personally do not see anything wrong with your profile.
Then it must be my inabilty to write a rivetting introduction message and the pictures attached! Either way, I'm not making much of a splash!"Need to dip your toes in a bit deeper then  | |||
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" For us single men - lowest in the food chain on here - it would probably make spa visits / socials / clubs less daunting! What does anyone else think? You really think that? Speak for yourself. I wouldn't think of myself at the bottom of any chain. Single women (top) V Couples V Single men (bottom) Why do single males pay double the couple and triple the single female price? Single males are a cheap and plentiful commodity on here, its about supply and demand. " Apart from completely disagreeing that there's any kind of 'food chain' on here (I know plenty of single women and couples who struggle to get meets - not offers - but genuine meets!) - the day I need a 'wing man' will be the day I hang up my boots and retire from fab. Be yourself, socialise, have no expectancies and things go a lot smoother. If you're not getting what you want from the site (and any other similar ones) then maybe you have a different view as to what sites like this can do. They are nothing more than a means to contact others - the rest is entirely up to you. And any guy that says they do better in 'the real world' should maybe just stick to that! | |||
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