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"2007! Wow. Not so historical then." Yep...they just keep crawling outta the woodwork | |||
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"2007! Wow. Not so historical then." yeah thats what struck me too... | |||
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"2007! Wow. Not so historical then. Yep...they just keep crawling outta the woodwork " Wonder what excuse the judge will give this time as he hands down a leniant sentence. | |||
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"2007! Wow. Not so historical then. Yep...they just keep crawling outta the woodwork Wonder what excuse the judge will give this time as he hands down a leniant sentence." tut...lenient | |||
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"Another one of my childhood favourites turns out to be a pedophile " Who ? Innocent until proven guilty or is it trial by media ? | |||
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"Another one of my childhood favourites turns out to be a pedophile " Not yet, he hasn't been found guilty | |||
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"To be honest I would like to see what the charges actually are. Indecent assault is a catch all charge for a very wide range of things. These days patting an arse or pinging a bra strap would be classed as indecent assault, in the 70's it was commonplace. At the moment DLT is innocent and a court will find him guilty or not. I just hope they will use a bit of common sense if the charges are trivial." | |||
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"Another one of my childhood favourites turns out to be a pedophile " Yeah, I'm really hoping Rolf Harris doesn't go the same way... I know it's innocent until proving guilty, but 12 people are already saying he is... If it was just one case it could be said that it could be a spurious prosecution but for twelve different cases.It would seem they were not all underage by some way. A 15 year old he might have mistaken for someone above legal age, these were not attacks on prepubescent children although obviously still not legal and without consent in all cases. Link to BBC news story. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23716575 | |||
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"Another one of my childhood favourites turns out to be a pedophile " Posts like this make me sick, whatever happened to the right to a trial before announcing guilt? | |||
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" Just suppose he is found innocent of one or more charges by a jury of his peers? Should the false accuser(s) get the sentence he would have? If it can be proved, then yes. ~Just because someone is found innocent doesn't mean they are. They may be innocent, obviously, there also just may not have been the proof or evidence to convict beyond reasonable doubt... Stuart Hall pleaded guilty so there was no need to prove anything. Knowing and proving are two different things. " | |||
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"Another one of my childhood favourites turns out to be a pedophile Posts like this make me sick, whatever happened to the right to a trial before announcing guilt? " would you like me to bring you a bucket then because I haven't finished!....... do you defend jimmy saville the same as he never went to trial and actually found guilty? | |||
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"Another one of my childhood favourites turns out to be a pedophile Posts like this make me sick, whatever happened to the right to a trial before announcing guilt? would you like me to bring you a bucket then because I haven't finished!....... do you defend jimmy saville the same as he never went to trial and actually found guilty? " What right do you have to call ANYONE a paedophile before they have had the chance to defend themselves in court? | |||
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" What right do you have to call ANYONE a paedophile before they have had the chance to defend themselves in court? " Surely the ones that get prosecuted are the very thin edge of the wedge though. It's quite a hard crime to prove guilt on. Their word against the accused with usually very little in the way of physical evidence, and maybe some hearsay. One word against the other and hearsay don't make a strong case. I'm not a solicitor but to have 12 different accusers is probably the strongest 'evidence' the prosecution has without a confession in this type of case. If he is guilty it is quite a hard one to prove unless the accusers words are taken as gospel and any evidence is at best going to be circumstantial. | |||
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"Innocent till proven guilty " | |||
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"Innocent till proven guilty " | |||
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" What right do you have to call ANYONE a paedophile before they have had the chance to defend themselves in court? Surely the ones that get prosecuted are the very thin edge of the wedge though. It's quite a hard crime to prove guilt on. Their word against the accused with usually very little in the way of physical evidence, and maybe some hearsay. One word against the other and hearsay don't make a strong case. I'm not a solicitor but to have 12 different accusers is probably the strongest 'evidence' the prosecution has without a confession in this type of case. If he is guilty it is quite a hard one to prove unless the accusers words are taken as gospel and any evidence is at best going to be circumstantial." | |||
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"Another one of my childhood favourites turns out to be a pedophile " He would not be a pedophile. The term applies only to those attempting or having sex with children who are pre-pubsecent, and a 15yr old girl would almost certainly be post-pubescent. If proved guilty, he would be a sexual offender though. ted. | |||
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"Another one of my childhood favourites turns out to be a pedophile He would not be a pedophile. The term applies only to those attempting or having sex with children who are pre-pubsecent, and a 15yr old girl would almost certainly be post-pubescent. If proved guilty, he would be a sexual offender though. ted." sorry,i stand corrected, I honestly thought it applied to anyone who was classed as a minor, under 16 | |||
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"2007! Wow. Not so historical then. Yep...they just keep crawling outta the woodwork Wonder what excuse the judge will give this time as he hands down a leniant sentence." he was always conducted himself like a true gent at the golf clubhouse | |||
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"Another one of my childhood favourites turns out to be a pedophile He would not be a pedophile. The term applies only to those attempting or having sex with children who are pre-pubsecent, and a 15yr old girl would almost certainly be post-pubescent. If proved guilty, he would be a sexual offender though. ted.sorry,i stand corrected, I honestly thought it applied to anyone who was classed as a minor, under 16 " Not meaning to be pedantic but a Paedophile is defined as a psychological state that results in an adult being sexually attracted to children. Quite a few years ago on a TV program I cannot remember the name of, subjects were raised in front of a public audience. The program host would play devils advocate between opposing bodies. This one time they took on the subject of Paedophiles and so they had representatives of say the NSPCC, the police, psychologists and yes they risked it, they had a couple of convicted Paedophiles. The Paedophiles themselves and the psychologist tried their best to explain it, NOT trying to make excuses for it, but tried to get across the point that its a mental illness not a chosen or preferred perversion. The Paedophile explained that he had been convicted quite rightly on 3 occasions and sent to prison for a number of years. He also explained that there was never any intent as such. What would happen is a female child would capture his attention and in his head, he would fall in love with the child and procure a relationship, essentially in the same way that adults fall in love with each other. Anyway, this guy in particular was very remorseful and had BEGGED the authorities to castrate him, but he was refused. Eventually he won his plea and he was castrated and from that point on has been perfectly safe as he no longer has the hormones to fuel the sexual desire. Anyway a Paedophile just is, its not a chosen disposition and they only target children. A sexual abuser may sexually abuse anyone while age may have nothing to do with it as such. Not that it really makes much difference, it still ends up with people being sexually abused by other people who I happen to think are just not right in the head. Yes of course if found guilty of such things they must be removed from society to protect society... Hate what they have done, but I'm not sure we should hate them for being mentally deficient. | |||
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"Another one of my childhood favourites turns out to be a pedophile " Not yet | |||
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"To be honest I would like to see what the charges actually are. Indecent assault is a catch all charge for a very wide range of things. These days patting an arse or pinging a bra strap would be classed as indecent assault, in the 70's it was commonplace. At the moment DLT is innocent and a court will find him guilty or not. I just hope they will use a bit of common sense if the charges are trivial." Agreed.Isnt a famous dart player on the register for groping a girls bum in a pub? Not decent behaviour, but does he really deserve to be along side sickos who rape 6 year olds?. | |||
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"To be honest I would like to see what the charges actually are. Indecent assault is a catch all charge for a very wide range of things. These days patting an arse or pinging a bra strap would be classed as indecent assault, in the 70's it was commonplace. At the moment DLT is innocent and a court will find him guilty or not. I just hope they will use a bit of common sense if the charges are trivial. Agreed.Isnt a famous dart player on the register for groping a girls bum in a pub? Not decent behaviour, but does he really deserve to be along side sickos who rape 6 year olds?. " It is a thin line. I myself, luckily have a nice ass, I often have it pinched by women, but would never consider it an assault. I know someone, who met a 15 year-old girl, in a consensual relationship, yet was charged with being a paedophile, which was completely out of order. | |||
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" Not meaning to be pedantic but a Paedophile is defined as a psychological state that results in an adult being sexually attracted to children." No problem with you being pedantic, as this is one area where it is necessary to be so, but the term paedophile applies specifically to a person sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children, normally (but not always) to the exclusion of pubescent or post-pubescent children. It is us who confuse the definition because we have added into the equation what the law says defines a child in this country (ie. under 16) and the much more recent term 'teenager'. However, biologically (and I am prepared to be corrected by any Doctors on here!) there are only three states of development: pre-pubescent child, puberty and adult - the latter being split between early adulthood, roughly equating to the teenage years, and fully developed adulthood, where the 'over 16' law effectively kicks in. ted. | |||
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