FabSwingers.com forum: The Americans Made Us Fat

By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I've just been watching the programme on BBC2 on the Men Who Made Us Fat. Apparently first shown last year.

The role of sucrose, fructose and reduced fat products looked at. However, I found the assertion that having food on display all around us, through fast food outlets especially, makes us feel hungry and want food.

Do you find yourself eating because you see food in front of you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've just been watching the programme on BBC2 on the Men Who Made Us Fat. Apparently first shown last year.

Do you find yourself eating because you see food in front of you?"

Yes and no.

When me mam puts me tea on the table i eat it fairly promptly, if i wanted cold food id have salads. Or ice cream.

When im in a greengrocers, butchers shop or farmers field even, i resist the temptation to eat.

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By *livia_KWoman
over a year ago

South London

I suffer from a see food eating disorder. As in I see food I have to eat it.

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By *obbygggMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Strange Ive never been to America and yet they are making me fat? Bastards!Clever though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Since I've been dieting most of my life, I find it easier not to indulge unless I make something myself.

The biggest threat right now is High Fructose Corn Syrup. That stuff makes MSG look like seasalt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've just been watching the programme on BBC2 on the Men Who Made Us Fat. Apparently first shown last year.

Do you find yourself eating because you see food in front of you?"

If that were the case I wouldn't be able to fit through the door. A certain amount of restraint is required when looking at food to buy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If that were the case I wouldn't be able to fit through the door. A certain amount of restraint is required when looking at food to buy. "

It's real simple for me, I dont want diabetes lol

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

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When I was in USA in 1986, I witnessed a couple, who were already pushing their bmi to its extreme limits, literally fill the entire table with main meals, puddings & drinks. They then proceeded to consume the entire contents of what would keep me going for a week

Mind you I went to an "all you can eat" fish restaurant a few days later & gave a good account of myself to the waitress

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If that were the case I wouldn't be able to fit through the door. A certain amount of restraint is required when looking at food to buy.

It's real simple for me, I dont want diabetes lol"

Stay away from chocolate cheesecake

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Since I've been dieting most of my life, I find it easier not to indulge unless I make something myself.

The biggest threat right now is High Fructose Corn Syrup. That stuff makes MSG look like seasalt"

Fructose Corn Syrup is where the programme started.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Since I've been dieting most of my life, I find it easier not to indulge unless I make something myself.

The biggest threat right now is High Fructose Corn Syrup. That stuff makes MSG look like seasalt

Fructose Corn Syrup is where the programme started."

Did they explain that the american food and pharmaceutical companies are mostly conglomerates, so if they wanted to make more money selling insulin, they could just advertise more Coca Cola?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Speaking for myself, OH NO THEY HAVENT.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Since I've been dieting most of my life, I find it easier not to indulge unless I make something myself.

The biggest threat right now is High Fructose Corn Syrup. That stuff makes MSG look like seasalt

Fructose Corn Syrup is where the programme started.

Did they explain that the american food and pharmaceutical companies are mostly conglomerates, so if they wanted to make more money selling insulin, they could just advertise more Coca Cola?"

They didn't go that far but they did look at the fact it is added to things that don't need it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Since I've been dieting most of my life, I find it easier not to indulge unless I make something myself.

The biggest threat right now is High Fructose Corn Syrup. That stuff makes MSG look like seasalt

Fructose Corn Syrup is where the programme started.

Did they explain that the american food and pharmaceutical companies are mostly conglomerates, so if they wanted to make more money selling insulin, they could just advertise more Coca Cola?

They didn't go that far but they did look at the fact it is added to things that don't need it."

ROFLPMSLMRO

Plenty of fat people will testify to that, adding food they dont actually need.

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By *arry50Man
over a year ago

northern jersey

I'm on a see food diet. I see food I eat food. Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mc Donalds large milk shake, contains 35 tea spoons of sugar,

Mr Kiplings small individual apple pie 6 tea spoons of sugar,

cheap foods, economy brands have to be full of e numbers and sugars, or we wouldn't eat them,

just something to think about, yes I am a type 2 diabetic, so sugar content now interests me.

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By *lackCherryCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"I suffer from a see food eating disorder. As in I see food I have to eat it."

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By *un_JuiceCouple
over a year ago

Nr Chester

We love ribena, rarely touchy fizzy pop.

Gonna have to cease the addiction.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

C*nting yanks..cause of everything!..joke b4 anyone gets offended..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I watched a documentary called ' food inc ' ..The large corporations are pushing modified foods on people and The law allows them to do so without showing it on The label ..huge swathes of American arable is now producing corn , and cattle are being fed it , The result being that certain deadly organisms that have no place in a cows stomach are now finding their way into The food chain with disastrous effects , Salmon are also being fed corn for its fattening properties , as humans we should have The common sense to understand our dietry needs , but we should also be made fully aware of what our food contains ....

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

When I lived on base in Germany the commissary only stocked American food. At the beginning I was like a kid in a candy shop as there was so many different variety of things...from 100 different favours of Ice cream to huge sub rolls....In the food hall they had popeyes which did fried shrimp and chicken to taco bell. I soon reliased that I cant be like a kid in a candy shop as i was putting on weight. I soon reverted to my English diet eating lots of salad and going to the gym. The food was so cheap and there was lots of it so yes the American made me fat. I also found that the US army tackling their own obese issues among their soldiers...it was sad to see.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hate junk food never been a fan the Closes thing I get is fish from chip shop now and again and not a lover of chips never have been or a big meat eater chicken and fish for me. I love making my own things and have from 11 ..... been baking and making real food .. years my mum hated cooking so I did a lot. That made me fat too ... but we are to blame we put it in our mouths.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Since I've been dieting most of my life, I find it easier not to indulge unless I make something myself.

The biggest threat right now is High Fructose Corn Syrup. That stuff makes MSG look like seasalt

Fructose Corn Syrup is where the programme started.

Did they explain that the american food and pharmaceutical companies are mostly conglomerates, so if they wanted to make more money selling insulin, they could just advertise more Coca Cola?

They didn't go that far but they did look at the fact it is added to things that don't need it.

ROFLPMSLMRO

Plenty of fat people will testify to that, adding food they dont actually need.

I worked in KFC for a while, those that were overweight ordered a bucket meal each whereas those that were slim ordered one to share

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

I'm unconvinced the Yanks made us fat. Eating too much and exercising too little makes us fat.

The Americans just found a really good way of making money out of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Since I've been dieting most of my life, I find it easier not to indulge unless I make something myself.

The biggest threat right now is High Fructose Corn Syrup. That stuff makes MSG look like seasalt

Fructose Corn Syrup is where the programme started.

Did they explain that the american food and pharmaceutical companies are mostly conglomerates, so if they wanted to make more money selling insulin, they could just advertise more Coca Cola?

They didn't go that far but they did look at the fact it is added to things that don't need it.

ROFLPMSLMRO

Plenty of fat people will testify to that, adding food they dont actually need.

I worked in KFC for a while, those that were overweight ordered a bucket meal each whereas those that were slim ordered one to share"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm unconvinced the Yanks made us fat. Eating too much and exercising too little makes us fat.

The Americans just found a really good way of making money out of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Marketing/advertising is a powerful thing. You probably don't even notice how subtly your behaviour gets influenced by it anymore as you're so used to it. It's everywhere.

Obviously kids are more susceptible to it so advertisers like to start on them earlyand get them hooked on a pproduct for life.

I wouldn't say the Americans made us fat though. We may have taken longer to do it without their help, but we still would have got there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They're all fat and stupid!!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

" .......

Obviously kids are more susceptible to it so advertisers like to start on them earlyand get them hooked on a pproduct for life.

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But, at the age when kids are most likely to get hooked, they're most likely to have zero income.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I went to California once and was surprised at how many fat people I saw there...however I don't think we can blame them for making us fat..I think we do a pretty good job of that ourselves

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I went to California once and was surprised at how many fat people I saw there...however I don't think we can blame them for making us fat..I think we do a pretty good job of that ourselves

Nobody's forcing the food in your gob.

You're not being held in your chair, all slovenly!!

I saw a documentary a few years back where a woman had a FEEDER!!! To please her man!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

when I diet I just cut all sugar, sweetner etc. I don't worry too much about the fat. I dud sugar free for 6 weeks recently, I never felt healthier

I can tell the difference now in back on the evil stuff

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I went to California once and was surprised at how many fat people I saw there...however I don't think we can blame them for making us fat..I think we do a pretty good job of that ourselves

Nobody's forcing the food in your gob.

You're not being held in your chair, all slovenly!!

I saw a documentary a few years back where a woman had a FEEDER!!! To please her man!!

That's it. He liked big women, she was skinny (pretty attractive) and so ate to please him getting bigger etc she got addicted to it, he buggered off because she got too huge, and she had to get a feeder in because she can't feed herself. She's American.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" .......

Obviously kids are more susceptible to it so advertisers like to start on them earlyand get them hooked on a pproduct for life.

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But, at the age when kids are most likely to get hooked, they're most likely to have zero income."

Even without kids I know that pester power exsists though. Ever been in a supermarket and seen a screaming child because the parent won't buy this or that? Then seen that parent shove a bar or can of sugar in the childs face to shut it up?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've just been watching the programme on BBC2 on the Men Who Made Us Fat. Apparently first shown last year.

Do you find yourself eating because you see food in front of you?"

If food is there then I will pick at it. Don't have to be hungry....will just graze

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

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Obviously kids are more susceptible to it so advertisers like to start on them earlyand get them hooked on a pproduct for life.

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But, at the age when kids are most likely to get hooked, they're most likely to have zero income.

You almost make that sound like a valid explanation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I watched this programme and apart from the horrid bloke at the beginning who was trying to lie his way out of targeting kid with the wording of his diet book….

My feeling remains that if people withbody conscious/health issues which are a direct result of an overactive knife and fork really want to lose weight, they should step away from the cutely rather than waste money buying into aspiration based diet programme’s whose primary motive is aimed at removing pounds for their pockets rather than their waists...

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

This is why I am joining the JERF movement more ans more. Just eat real food!!

Make things from scratch, avoid anything that has more than 5 ingredients, especially if half of them start with numbers or are unpronounceable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I watched this programme and apart from the horrid bloke at the beginning who was trying to lie his way out of targeting kid with the wording of his diet book….

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The premise is this:

An insurance company in the 1950's determined that people aged 25 above a certain weight died early. They set the ideal weight at that point or below and overnight made half of America overweight. No science, no testing, no logic just using statistics. That insurance company was American.

The health insurance used the same chart, the government used the same chart. It made no medical sense. A 50 yr old will weigh more than a 25 yr old.

Then diet appeared, a medical experiment in the late 50's determined dieting causes the body to panic. To demand food and restore the weight. So dieting causes a roller coaster. 16% don't surcum, but the others do .. And each time more weight is added and each time the person goes on another diet ... So the size increases.

Additionally, America banned sugar cane as an import to protect their maize crop sugar produces. The resultant Fructose Corn Syrup has been proven to cause the body to store fat.

If you look at UK food, candy, etc. Its Glucose syrup, from cane or beet, in the us the same food is Fructose Corn Syrup ... Hence more very fat Americans.

A US Mars bar or US Big Mac is more fattening than a British one due to the type of sugar used ... Even in the fries there is sugar!

So, yes, by definition (changing the line that defines) fat they made us fat. By using the wrong sugar they made us fat and by building Slimfast and a diet industry they cause our fatness to get greater.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ive just come back from an American cruise for 12 nights - the foods was unbelievable - but loads of it processed, high salt and fat content ! I was relieved to get away from it tbh and back to normal very little food ! X The huge certainly piled their plates with HUGE potions ! Yuck

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

that's a cop put blaming the americans if ya put it into your gob and choose to swallow the whole cake and not a tiny piece then your makin yourself fat don,t blame anybody else for the choices you make

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Also weight loss clubs came from the states I believe. They aren't interested in making you thin forever!! Their whole premise is to create something that is difficult to maintain if you stop going to clubs. How many times do you hear 'I lost 3 stone on slimming watchers but put it back on when I stopped going so am starting up again'??

It's not good for business if everyone lost weight themselves going!!

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've just been watching the programme on BBC2 on the Men Who Made Us Fat. Apparently first shown last year.

Do you find yourself eating because you see food in front of you?"

I most definitely do not see food and eat it.

Only eat when your body tells you that you need food.

Also small portions, little and often if necessary.

Anything in moderation will also do you no harm.

I will not eat after a certain time at night as it will not burn off.

The Americans are not to blame, I have spent a lot of time over there and yes their portions are massive but generally speaking I think it is the U.K culture where people want to eat & go..mealtimes are not an event anymore. People have become lazy and will eat whatever is quickest which is normally junk or a ready meal.

Also the common misconception to eat healthy costs money, not true at all.

Excercise also goes hand in hand with a balanced diet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've just been watching the programme on BBC2 on the Men Who Made Us Fat. Apparently first shown last year.

Do you find yourself eating because you see food in front of you?"

No. I eat when I want too not when a commercial/otherwise trys to make me hehe

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"that's a cop put blaming the americans if ya put it into your gob and choose to swallow the whole cake and not a tiny piece then your makin yourself fat don,t blame anybody else for the choices you make

Not denying quantity is an issue but what's being discussed here is what is in processed foods and how addictive it can be. Almost like nicotine addiction or alcohol addiction etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Weight watchers is owned by Heinz... Hard sell on their products at classes and the programme is designed to make you sick with them for a Li g time at losing a pound or pins and half a week... Fees add up...

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"The premise is this:

The health insurance used the same chart, the government used the same chart. It made no medical sense. A 50 yr old will weigh more than a 25 yr old.

Additionally, America banned sugar cane as an import to protect their maize crop sugar produces. The resultant Fructose Corn Syrup has been proven to cause the body to store fat.

If you look at UK food, candy, etc. Its Glucose syrup, from cane or beet, in the us the same food is Fructose Corn Syrup ... Hence more very fat Americans.

A US Mars bar or US Big Mac is more fattening than a British one due to the type of sugar used ... Even in the fries there is sugar!

Thanks for the synopsis. I found the psychological affects just as interesting as the food stuffs.

As many have commented, what goes in your gob is what makes you fat. However, what happens in your brain is as much a factor of what you shovel into your face as the actual food. I know why I am fat and food is just a part of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not denying quantity is an issue but what's being discussed here is what is in processed foods and how addictive it can be. Almost like nicotine addiction or alcohol addiction etc. "

learn to read labels and cook fresh its quite simple really

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've just been watching the programme on BBC2 on the Men Who Made Us Fat. Apparently first shown last year.

Do you find yourself eating because you see food in front of you?"

Nope. Obesity is a relatively new problem. If we ate the same foods people did 100 years ago (and did the same amount of exercise) we would be fine.

Sadly, fast food is cheap and readily available, and many people don't know how to cook, so are reliant on others to feed them. You can't possibly maintain a good diet if you don't know what you are eating.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" .......

Obviously kids are more susceptible to it so advertisers like to start on them earlyand get them hooked on a pproduct for life.

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But, at the age when kids are most likely to get hooked, they're most likely to have zero income.

You almost make that sound like a valid explanation."

So you're saying that targeted advertising doesn't work because the kids have no money to spend on the products?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Another large part of the problem is the cost of mass-produced calories laden fast-foods and ready-meals versus fresh ingredients.

I would happily vote for a tax on fast foods if it were then used to provide a subsidy on fresh produce, making it cheaper and more easily affordable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This whole subject is littered with misinformation, much of it deliberate, so it is very difficult to get at the truth. But I'm glad the fructose corn syrup debate has finally come to the fore.

The science behind this argument is very simple: we get energy from two sources:- fats and sugars.

The problem comes with how our bodies evolved to metabolise each of these. Our bodies are designed to use (burn) the one which will keep us going longer over a sustained period, and that energy comes from fats. It comes, apparently, from when we were hunter-gatherers and needed to track live meat all day long. But.. there is a strange quirk with how we evolved. If the body is able to get energy from sugar, it will metabolise that first, as it can do it quicker but the effect doesn't last as long (you can experience that yourself by eating a few biscuits and then going through the following sugar-drop/tiredness spell). The problem is what the body does with the fats it is also taking in while it's burning sugar. It stores the fat for 'later'.

The further problem is that 'later' never comes, as we then bombard our bodies with yet more sugar, so the fat gets stored.... again.

Okay, that's the boring bit. So what has the way those naughty marketing men in America sell food to us got to do with us getting bigger?

There is a very interesting statistic which is included in the Atkins diet book (it's the only thing it that got my attention and I've never forgotten it). It's the sugar consumption in the Western world. Since about 1830, when the very first of what we would recognise as 'processed food' appeared, the amount of sugar in the average persons diet has steadily climbed. In 1830 it was about 30lbs (13.6kgs) a year. By the mid 70's it had climbed to...... 360lbs (164kgs) a year - TWELVE times as much.

Now, go back to how our bodies evolved and you don't have to be Einstein to work out that WE are trying to make our bodies accept a form of fuel it can't handle very well.

So, come back to those naughty bad men in America who 'made us fat', combine their greed for selling more and more product laced with sugars, plus our propensity to fall for their marketing techniques (ya don't HAVE to go into that KFC/Dunkin Donuts/etc etc, do ya..??) and you have a recipe (no pun honest!) for disaster.

So, Evie's method of attack on this (J.E.R.F. - just eat real food) may well be the way to stem the flow and turn things round.

But in the meantime, that Zinger meal box is just callin' me, ain't it....

ted.

PS sorry if this sounds a bit like a sermon - not intended to. Just putting my point over fully.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Mc Donalds large milk shake, contains 35 tea spoons of sugar,

Mr Kiplings small individual apple pie 6 tea spoons of sugar,

cheap foods, economy brands have to be full of e numbers and sugars, or we wouldn't eat them,

just something to think about, yes I am a type 2 diabetic, so sugar content now interests me."

And most of those amounts triple when you buy them in America!

But we're not force fed these foods, we eat them willingly and in abundance!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Another large part of the problem is the cost of mass-produced calories laden fast-foods and ready-meals versus fresh ingredients.

I would happily vote for a tax on fast foods if it were then used to provide a subsidy on fresh produce, making it cheaper and more easily affordable. "

I agree with the tax but fresh ingredients are readily available and affordable.

It is people not knowing how to cook that makes them think otherwise!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

By the way, the book mentioned in the series, 'Pure White and Deadly' was republished in part as a result of that show.

Its a very very interesting read.

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By *alopeteyMan
over a year ago

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nail on the head i think

when you have company's that invest thousands into PR and marketing, its almost akin to brainwashing, its a very difficult thing to shake off, i know cos i i'm there right now, trying to eat clean when every thing and everyone around you says other wise can be tricky

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By *etillanteWoman
over a year ago

I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes a couple of years ago. I don't eat sweets and chocolate a lot,don't take sugar in drinks, rarely eat cake and dessert, cook from scratch, not a huge fast food fan. But I drank huge amounts of full fat Coca Cola.

Changed my drinking habits, my diabetes is now under control. As for eating no different to what I did before.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes a couple of years ago. I don't eat sweets and chocolate a lot,don't take sugar in drinks, rarely eat cake and dessert, cook from scratch, not a huge fast food fan. But I drank huge amounts of full fat Coca Cola.

Changed my drinking habits, my diabetes is now under control. As for eating no different to what I did before.

What is they reckon? There's 13 teaspoons of sugar in one can of full-fat Coke...? Something like that...

ted.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

None of this is new though - I watched the programme. Very informative but I had read about all this a few years ago. Got a couple of good books on it.

They now know that certain types of food - mainly processed food - is addictive. And the impact of being bombarded constantly by advertising all day, every day, cannot be underestimated.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"nail on the head i think

I know what you mean. I had three months where I had to go on an elimination and reintroduction diet my consultant ordered to check whether my falls were diet related. Trying to work was the most difficult. For every meeting and event I would have to ensure that I asked for fresh food. I ate an awful lot of lettuce that quarter.

I didn't stop falling down and I gained weight but my taste buds were much better at the end of the time.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

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"Another large part of the problem is the cost of mass-produced calories laden fast-foods and ready-meals versus fresh ingredients.

I would happily vote for a tax on fast foods if it were then used to provide a subsidy on fresh produce, making it cheaper and more easily affordable. "

I think its a question if education rather than fresh versus processes and cost. Lots of people don't realise that relatively cheap canned and frozen fruit and veg are as good or sometimes better than fresh and they have no idea how to make incorporate them into a meal. We need to start with basics.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"nail on the head i think

I didn't stop falling down and I gained weight but my taste buds were much better at the end of the time."

Funny you should say that about taste buds. I eliminated all processed food a couple of years ago - though I do know allow a little of it from time to time. When I tried to eat a ready meal - tempted by the packaging and the promises of what lay inside, it was utterly foul. I threw it away. And yet I used to love them prior to that.

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over a year ago

"Another large part of the problem is the cost of mass-produced calories laden fast-foods and ready-meals versus fresh ingredients.

I would happily vote for a tax on fast foods if it were then used to provide a subsidy on fresh produce, making it cheaper and more easily affordable.

And also growing your own is not hard or expensive.

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over a year ago

"None of this is new though - I watched the programme. Very informative but I had read about all this a few years ago. Got a couple of good books on it.

They now know that certain types of food - mainly processed food - is addictive. And the impact of being bombarded constantly by advertising all day, every day, cannot be underestimated."

The thing they don't disclose is the fact that ANY food product that has ANY "Man Made" alternative to real natural food causes illness in the body and at some point will need pharmaceutical assistance, good job those pharmaceutical companies had sooo much money, they could afford to take care of us all, with more "MAN MADE TOXINS" namely...pills!

those lucky cunts could afford to start the first banks, law and order, and could pump money into whatever regime they made!

fkn genius!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've had enough of this thread. I'm off for a KFC.

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over a year ago

"I've had enough of this thread. I'm off for a KFC."

Where's the puke smiley

Homemade "KFC" every time

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I've just been watching the programme on BBC2 on the Men Who Made Us Fat. Apparently first shown last year.

Do you find yourself eating because you see food in front of you?"

I watched it first time around. I wish i'd made the programme! I'd written a piece about the very same thing about five years ago. I wrote it from researching the work of others......Shit I always miss a good trick!

Before you go to any supermarket make the decision to buy only things that grew naturally or lived a life. You will only be in the supermarket for five minutes. The VAST majority of the store is laden with poisonous products made from white flour, fat and sugar..... I shudder at what people buy and think that it's 'food'

It might fill a hole but it doesn't feed their bodies.

Our artificial eating habits are the main reason all nations are ill as a species.

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

I think if the manufacturers of the fat inducing foods had bribed there way and paid off people so only there foods were available then they might be to blame

But other fresh health none fattening foods are freely available so guessing it comes down to choice. So know they cant be held to blame unless people want a easy excuse as to why they are putting on weight.

Guess when these foods first came on the market the information on what it would do to the body wouldn't have been as easily available

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"I've just been watching the programme on BBC2 on the Men Who Made Us Fat. Apparently first shown last year.

Do you find yourself eating because you see food in front of you?

It might fill a hole but it doesn't feed their bodies.

Our artificial eating habits are the main reason all nations are ill as a species."

I'm always fascinated by what I see in other people's trolleys. I look and I just don't see FOOD. Now I do have some things in my trolley from time to time which could also be seen like that but on the conveyor the fresh produce - vegetables, fruit, fish, meat, eggs, etc, tend to predominate - with just a few 'treat' items.

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over a year ago

Learning how to cook is so important if you're attempting to cut out processed food in your diet.

My basket contains mainly food from the fruit and veg aisle, chicken, fish, oatmeal/granola, cous cous/brown rice, nuts and water.

I might have some chocolate or an ice cream from time to time. Everything in moderation, not to excess.

The elders in my family suffer from Type 2 Diabetes and I've vowed not to end up like them.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I think if the manufacturers of the fat inducing foods had bribed there way and paid off people so only there foods were available then they might be to blame

Guess when these foods first came on the market the information on what it would do to the body wouldn't have been as easily available"

McD's and Coca Cola sponsor most global sports events - look at the Olympics last year. Is that bribery, marketing or just philanthropy?

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"I think if the manufacturers of the fat inducing foods had bribed there way and paid off people so only there foods were available then they might be to blame

Guess when these foods first came on the market the information on what it would do to the body wouldn't have been as easily available

McD's and Coca Cola sponsor most global sports events - look at the Olympics last year. Is that bribery, marketing or just philanthropy?"

It's business. If it makes us fat they do not care as long as it also makes their profits fat.

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over a year ago

Well everyone knows coca cola was found to use cocaine in their "secret ingredient" in order to get the public hooked on it! Those in power don't give a shit about our health or lives..we work in order to spend our money on their shit, spend our free time, buying and consuming their shit, then we die, and if they are lucky, we may have left a few kids behind, to start the process all over again!

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

"I think if the manufacturers of the fat inducing foods had bribed there way and paid off people so only there foods were available then they might be to blame

But other fresh health none fattening foods are freely available so guessing it comes down to choice. So know they cant be held to blame unless people

want a easy excuse as to why they are putting on weight.

Guess when these foods first came on the market the information on what it would do to the body wouldn't have been as easily available

McD's and Coca Cola sponsor most global sports events - look at the Olympics last year. Is that bribery, marketing or just philanthropy?"

McD"S sponsor these events to promote themselves for sure but when they have persuaded people to eat there it still comes down to personal choice when someone is at the counter deciding what to have

It is there clearly in print what cals are in each meal and guess what when I do eat from there(not very often) and a obese person walks i have yet to see them pick a healthier option from what's available

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"I think if the manufacturers of the fat inducing foods had bribed there way and paid off people so only there foods were available then they might be to blame

But other fresh health none fattening foods are freely available so guessing it comes down to choice. So know they cant be held to blame unless people

want a easy excuse as to why they are putting on weight.

Guess when these foods first came on the market the information on what it would do to the body wouldn't have been as easily available

McD's and Coca Cola sponsor most global sports events - look at the Olympics last year. Is that bribery, marketing or just philanthropy?

McD"S sponsor these events to promote themselves for sure but when they have persuaded people to eat there it still comes down to personal choice when someone is at the counter deciding what to have

One word - addiction. And the experts who have studied this extensively will tell you that. They have carefully studied the effects on the pleasure centres of the brain when it comes to certain food types. That is why they now see it as a disease - and rightly too.

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

"I think if the manufacturers of the fat inducing foods had bribed there way and paid off people so only there foods were available then they might be to blame

Guess when these foods first came on the market the information on what it would do to the body wouldn't have been as easily available

McD's and Coca Cola sponsor most global sports events - look at the Olympics last year. Is that bribery, marketing or just philanthropy?

It's business. If it makes us fat they do not care as long as it also makes their profits fat."

So why do they even bother to have healthier options.

Guess they must have people secretly setting up road diversions to force people into there drive through and dragging people out of the health food shops and frog marching them into maccy D"s

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

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The commercial concept might be American, but it's now a multi million pound business in the UK. Maybe this TV series will hopefully change some peoples attitude to managing what they perceive as a weight problem.

We all have to eat, and in an affluent society there is plenty of it. Weightwatchers, Slimming World, et al exploit this potential market like all successful marketing strategies through a psychologically insidious process that in effect brainwashes the consumer.

Firstly by emphasising they are there to help, you are not alone, and that belonging to a club is desirable. They then realign your relationship to food, not as something to be a part of your daily life, but something that tends to dominate, food becomes, sins, rewards, points, allowed, free, all alienating terms from a normal relationship with food. Once hooked, your life, relationships, work, pleasure is lived through the prism of a constant battle between the regime, and the guilt of failing to maintain it.

Ultimately for most of us this is not sustainable, and the weight we lose is inevitably put back on. Some even become heavier that they were before, because the guilt of failure compounds into 'well I'm fat, so what's the point' and find comfort and solace in eating.

We then get to a point where we think we must do something about it, and guess who is there with welcoming arms? ready to restart the cycle, and take your money. No prizes!

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over a year ago

Cake and Chocolate for my sins.I have some nearly every Day

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cake and Chocolate for my sins.I have some nearly every Day

What she really means is cock and cum

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"The commercial concept might be American, but it's now a multi million pound business in the UK. Maybe this TV series will hopefully change some peoples attitude to managing what they perceive as a weight problem.

We then get to a point where we think we must do something about it, and guess who is there with welcoming arms? ready to restart the cycle, and take your money. No prizes! "

And Weight Watchers make even more money by selling their own processed food which does nothing to break the cycle.

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over a year ago

"Cake and Chocolate for my sins.I have some nearly every Day

What she really means is cock and cum

Behave you !! I bloody wish

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over a year ago

"Cake and Chocolate for my sins.I have some nearly every Day

What she really means is cock and cum

Behave you !! I bloody wish

Don't act the innocent with me lady

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

It's business. If it makes us fat they do not care as long as it also makes their profits fat.

So why do they even bother to have healthier options.

Guess they must have people secretly setting up road diversions to force people into there drive through and dragging people out of the health food shops and frog marching them into maccy D"s"

I refer back to psychology with the added note that one of the "healthy" options is a fizzy fruit based drink laced with additional sugar. It is marketed as part of your five a day by McD.

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over a year ago

"I think if the manufacturers of the fat inducing foods had bribed there way and paid off people so only there foods were available then they might be to blame

Guess when these foods first came on the market the information on what it would do to the body wouldn't have been as easily available

McD's and Coca Cola sponsor most global sports events - look at the Olympics last year. Is that bribery, marketing or just philanthropy?"

possibly Hypocrisy ?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

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does anyone remember Sunny Delight which then became Sunny D (might still be available) lots of people thought it was good for kids because of the way it was marketed when it was actually utter crap!

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"does anyone remember Sunny Delight which then became Sunny D (might still be available) lots of people thought it was good for kids because of the way it was marketed when it was actually utter crap!"

Yes, I do. A glass a day would make you healthy, happy and sunny. Sugar highs.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Anything labelled 'healthy' should be looked at with extreme caution.

You don't get a 'healthy' sticker on an apple.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Here's a new twist:

I started the thread late last night. Not long after I received a Twaaat from a very physically fit, not an ounce of fat on her, mountain climbing, marathon running friend. The Twaaat was a link to a weight loss miracle pill advert. Very unlike her as she is more JERF than fad.

A bit earlier this morning there was a direct Twaaat from her to me which looked strange so I didn't open it. It was written in CAPS - again not like her.

I've since spoken to her and her TwitTwat has been hacked by Slimming World.

THEY ARE WATCHING US!

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Anything labelled 'healthy' should be looked at with extreme caution.

You don't get a 'healthy' sticker on an apple."

Sadly, you do in some places now. I've even seen one with a sticker showing it as all green on the traffic light system!

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Anything labelled 'healthy' should be looked at with extreme caution.

You don't get a 'healthy' sticker on an apple.

Sadly, you do in some places now. I've even seen one with a sticker showing it as all green on the traffic light system!"

OMG lol - it must be a bad state of affairs if people need stickers on fruit to tell them that it is healthy! Never seen one!

Or maybe that is the supermarket trying to show how 'good' they are and caring about their clientèle.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Anything labelled 'healthy' should be looked at with extreme caution.

You don't get a 'healthy' sticker on an apple.

Sadly, you do in some places now. I've even seen one with a sticker showing it as all green on the traffic light system!

OMG lol - it must be a bad state of affairs if people need stickers on fruit to tell them that it is healthy! Never seen one!

Or maybe that is the supermarket trying to show how 'good' they are and caring about their clientèle."

Waitrose haven't done it yet but when there was nowhere else I could get to, out in the countryside of all places, I saw the stickers on fruit.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Anything labelled 'healthy' should be looked at with extreme caution.

You don't get a 'healthy' sticker on an apple.

Sadly, you do in some places now. I've even seen one with a sticker showing it as all green on the traffic light system!

OMG lol - it must be a bad state of affairs if people need stickers on fruit to tell them that it is healthy! Never seen one!

Or maybe that is the supermarket trying to show how 'good' they are and caring about their clientèle.

Waitrose haven't done it yet but when there was nowhere else I could get to, out in the countryside of all places, I saw the stickers on fruit."

Well I shop mainly in Aldi and have yet to see that. So depressing to think about.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I opened my letter box to find a leaflet this morning.

All in black and yellow, offering a course in learning about food , exercise etc......and offering to write personal programmes and give cookery demonstrations........

I burst out laughing when I got to the bit that says where to meet to find out more ......

The Little Pizza Kitchen

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I agree with the tax but fresh ingredients are readily available and affordable.

It is people not knowing how to cook that makes them think otherwise!"

This - along with eating what you need is all that matters. Do more, eat more - do less, eat less - that's it - no need for all the analysis and excuses.

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over a year ago

"I went to California once and was surprised at how many fat people I saw there...however I don't think we can blame them for making us fat..I think we do a pretty good job of that ourselves

Nobody's forcing the food in your gob.

You're not being held in your chair, all slovenly!!

I saw a documentary a few years back where a woman had a FEEDER!!! To please her man!!

it's all about choice at the end of the day! fortunately for me, I choose not to eat crap which is how I still maintain the same weight and dress size that was 10 years ago!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

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"I went to California once and was surprised at how many fat people I saw there...however I don't think we can blame them for making us fat..I think we do a pretty good job of that ourselves

Nobody's forcing the food in your gob.

You're not being held in your chair, all slovenly!!

I saw a documentary a few years back where a woman had a FEEDER!!! To please her man!!

it's all about choice at the end of the day! fortunately for me, I choose not to eat crap which is how I still maintain the same weight and dress size that was 10 years ago!

I've maintained my dress size too

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over a year ago

"Anything labelled 'healthy' should be looked at with extreme caution.

You don't get a 'healthy' sticker on an apple.

Sadly, you do in some places now. I've even seen one with a sticker showing it as all green on the traffic light system!

OMG lol - it must be a bad state of affairs if people need stickers on fruit to tell them that it is healthy! Never seen one!

Or maybe that is the supermarket trying to show how 'good' they are and caring about their clientèle."

Wouldn't be a bad idea if they put the sugar content levels on fruit. That way people would realise they can't eat just fruit all day long and also educate which fruits sugar contents are higher and which are lower. Whilst fresh fruit has benefits many have high levels of sugar which isn't a great benefit, especially to those aiming to lose weight.

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over a year ago

We regularly go to the USA & notice a huge difference in thier eating habits than ours (cdn).

They have a lot more processed, boxed foods than here.

We can't blame others for poor eating habits though.

We all make our own choices to what we put in us. Lol

Mrs

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"We regularly go to the USA & notice a huge difference in thier eating habits than ours (cdn).

They have a lot more processed, boxed foods than here.

We can't blame others for poor eating habits though.

We all make our own choices to what we put in us. Lol

Mrs "

i agree with you up to a point but when we are mislead by companies that are supposed to be making us healthier by making 'fat free' items that are actually keeping or making us fat then its an uphill struggle.

its ok for people to say 'read the labels' but that's not always easy. companies are very clever at hiding whats inside their foods.

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over a year ago

What a strange title to use for this subject I fail to see how you can point the finger at a nation rather then the global companies who produce the food.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

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"What a strange title to use for this subject I fail to see how you can point the finger at a nation rather then the global companies who produce the food.

It was based on the programme showing the global companies were American and based on them using particular marketing techniques and "inventions" such as fat-free and corn syrup.

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"What a strange title to use for this subject I fail to see how you can point the finger at a nation rather then the global companies who produce the food.

It was based on the programme showing the global companies were American and based on them using particular marketing techniques and "inventions" such as fat-free and corn syrup."

I am quite aware as I have seen the program and aware how food companies and it was actually the companies not the Americans per se who jumped on the band wagon with the low fat claims and it was a global issue which occurred across Europe too.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

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"What a strange title to use for this subject I fail to see how you can point the finger at a nation rather then the global companies who produce the food.

It was based on the programme showing the global companies were American and based on them using particular marketing techniques and "inventions" such as fat-free and corn syrup.

I shall endeavour to only use Independent type sub-editor headings from now on. Or, perhaps not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

greed is only controlled by one person.

if you get fat you can only blame the person who put it in your mouth

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No i only eat when i want and what i want no one can force or make you eat lead a horse to water will it drink sort of rings a bell in my mind

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"What a strange title to use for this subject I fail to see how you can point the finger at a nation rather then the global companies who produce the food.

It was based on the programme showing the global companies were American and based on them using particular marketing techniques and "inventions" such as fat-free and corn syrup.

I shall endeavour to only use Independent type sub-editor headings from now on. Or, perhaps not."

Just pointing it out I assumed as you point things out to people all the time it was your ethos and would welcome the same.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

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"What a strange title to use for this subject I fail to see how you can point the finger at a nation rather then the global companies who produce the food.

It was based on the programme showing the global companies were American and based on them using particular marketing techniques and "inventions" such as fat-free and corn syrup.

I shall endeavour to only use Independent type sub-editor headings from now on. Or, perhaps not.

Just pointing it out I assumed as you point things out to people all the time it was your ethos and would welcome the same."

Thank you.

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