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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham

No blather and bull.Forget all this trade credits and so. Do you wish for money to be spent in GB and help people in need or to be used for people abroad? Sorry folks, no disrespect to those elsewhere but my I want my money spent here helping people regardless of colour or ethnicity.Yes or no?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No blather and bull.Forget all this trade credits and so. Do you wish for money to be spent in GB and help people in need or to be used for people abroad? Sorry folks, no disrespect to those elsewhere but my I want my money spent here helping people regardless of colour or ethnicity.Yes or no?"

We have voted in Governments that have made the choice to spend some of our tax money as foreign aid, and it is the decent human response to make. ....if you want to make sure that money is spent in the UK then find some charities to support that fit in with that ethos...and use your vote wisely

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I want our money helping those overseas.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No blather and bull.Forget all this trade credits and so. Do you wish for money to be spent in GB and help people in need or to be used for people abroad? Sorry folks, no disrespect to those elsewhere but my I want my money spent here helping people regardless of colour or ethnicity.Yes or no?"

I want to see it spent where it attempts to elevates the greatest suffering…..

So if that means spending it where it save lives that’s where I’d like my contribution spent….!.

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham

But This Gov't weren't voted in were they? I didn't vote for a coalition did you? Oh well swerved but do you think we would be better spending the money at home to stop people using food banks and being evicted cos of bedroom tax and the disabled being stripped of their benefiuts because we have no money?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think that amount of money sent abroad should be reduced and more money spent on people in this country that are starving and homeless.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think that amount of money sent abroad should be reduced and more money spent on people in this country that are starving and homeless. "

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham


"I think that amount of money sent abroad should be reduced and more money spent on people in this country that are starving and homeless.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"I think that amount of money sent abroad should be reduced and more money spent on people in this country that are starving and homeless. "

But it wouldn't be, would it.

It'd be spent on something else you probably don't approve of.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay


"I think that amount of money sent abroad should be reduced and more money spent on people in this country that are starving and homeless. "

There is no excuse for anyone in this country to be starving, I sometimes think that some people don't know the difference between starving and not being able to afford luxuries.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

Money makes the world go round, but many folk on this planet would be grateful of just one square meal a day

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let the money help the most needed here or overseas. At the moment the world's a huge sh1t sandwich and we all got to take a bite.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think that amount of money sent abroad should be reduced and more money spent on people in this country that are starving and homeless.

There is no excuse for anyone in this country to be starving, I sometimes think that some people don't know the difference between starving and not being able to afford luxuries."

Well unfortunately there is plenty of people who are homeless, can't get benefits because of not having a fixed address so have to rely on handouts which isn't always enough to get something to eat.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I don't want to see people starving or homeless anywhere.

It is ideology in policies that have seen the increase in food banks and homelessness in this country. Would the overseas aid budget help that? NO! It is 0.56% of the budget and does nothing to address an ideology that those using food banks and who are homeless are idle feckless undeserving poor.

Your question and the issue are not straight in themselves, which makes it difficult to give a straight answer.

Those that think it is as simple as not giving aid will solve the financial problems in this country and who are opposed to foreign aid will answer with the "straight" answer you want. The rest of us won't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think that amount of money sent abroad should be reduced and more money spent on people in this country that are starving and homeless.

But it wouldn't be, would it.

It'd be spent on something else you probably don't approve of."

If you have nothing to add to a discussion maybe don't comment as nearly every post I see that you have put on the forums is to try and get a reaction from people rather than having an adult discussion.

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham

0.56% is a huge amountg of money. it's all very well saying it's not a lot of money licketyspits.Might not be much to you. Depends if you and your kids are starving or not doesn't it? How nice to be in your comfy world.

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By *livia_KWoman
over a year ago

South London


"0.56% is a huge amountg of money. it's all very well saying it's not a lot of money licketyspits.Might not be much to you. Depends if you and your kids are starving or not doesn't it? How nice to be in your comfy world. "

Starving people are starving people. It doesn't matter where in the world they are or what country they live in. We are all human beings and if a few pennies of my tax goes on feeding a child in a third world country his one and only mal a day then my conscience is good with that. Where's your humanity? The lives of people in this country are not worth any more or any less than anyone else on this planet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) put total UK foreign aid at £8.6bn in 2011. With a population of about 62.6 million, the figure works out to roughly £137 per head. But it's raising to £10.5bn by 2014-15

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I guess when you’ve spent a day looking after a child as you watch it’s mother die from a preventable condition exacerbated by her sacrifice to go without food so her child would have enough to survive,,,,

Ya kinda get a different perspective about the effects of budget cuts and austerity measures in our country which result in some people going without life’s so called “necessities”

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"0.56% is a huge amountg of money. it's all very well saying it's not a lot of money licketyspits.Might not be much to you. Depends if you and your kids are starving or not doesn't it? How nice to be in your comfy world. "

Another assumption about me. I grew up in this country very poor. We were homeless as a family and I watched my mother work her fingers to the bone to earn £5 a week which was the exact same amount as our weekly rent on a one room bedsit for the four of us. I have experienced hunger, domestic violence and hardship.

I have worked for 34 years (albeit 3 of those as a Saturday job) and paid my taxes all of that time. My income has dropped by over 70% in the last four years and because I am self employed I work well below the minimum wage to earn my living. As a self employed person I am not entitled to any benefits, according to JobCentrePlus, and would have to wait 3 months before I could get anything. Anything I do get would have to be repaid if I take any work.

Do not dare to tell me that I don't know what I am talking about.

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham

Couldn't agree more, however it's not a few pennies is it? It's a huge amount of money. Sooo we come back to the question... rather spend it here or elsewhere? Blimey some of you keep avoiding a simple question. Yes or No? Money spent elsewhere or here?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

we are part of a global village and each country is interlinked, we may be an island but are interdependent on many countries.

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By *livia_KWoman
over a year ago

South London


"Couldn't agree more, however it's not a few pennies is it? It's a huge amount of money. Sooo we come back to the question... rather spend it here or elsewhere? Blimey some of you keep avoiding a simple question. Yes or No? Money spent elsewhere or here? "

You are carrying on like we are sending all our money abroad in aid. We aren't. And while it isn't exactly 'pennies' as such, it is a tiny proportion of our budget.

So to answer your question, yes. I do think countries such as ours should do their bit for humanity.

I met a man in Tanzania who had a brother that died from malaria because his family couldn't afford the medication. And how much does the medication for malaria cost in Tanzania you ask? $3. Three fucking dollars. And he couldn't afford it to survive.

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham


"0.56% is a huge amountg of money. it's all very well saying it's not a lot of money licketyspits.Might not be much to you. Depends if you and your kids are starving or not doesn't it? How nice to be in your comfy world.

Another assumption about me. I grew up in this country very poor. We were homeless as a family and I watched my mother work her fingers to the bone to earn £5 a week which was the exact same amount as our weekly rent on a one room bedsit for the four of us. I have experienced hunger, domestic violence and hardship.

I have worked for 34 years (albeit 3 of those as a Saturday job) and paid my taxes all of that time. My income has dropped by over 70% in the last four years and because I am self employed I work well below the minimum wage to earn my living. As a self employed person I am not entitled to any benefits, according to JobCentrePlus, and would have to wait 3 months before I could get anything. Anything I do get would have to be repaid if I take any work.

Do not dare to tell me that I don't know what I am talking about.

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Oh please you had a rent that was the entire amount of your mom's wage when you were a kid? Just done the maths and that's a lie. Please keep things in perspective and don't fib to make a point.Every penny of mom's wage was rent? How did you live?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Couldn't agree more, however it's not a few pennies is it? It's a huge amount of money. Sooo we come back to the question... rather spend it here or elsewhere? Blimey some of you keep avoiding a simple question. Yes or No? Money spent elsewhere or here? "

I'll answer yes, just for the sake of it now. Keep the money here. Those pensioners living in Spain not speaking a word of Spanish have made their choice to leave the country so why should my taxes pay for them?

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham


"Couldn't agree more, however it's not a few pennies is it? It's a huge amount of money. Sooo we come back to the question... rather spend it here or elsewhere? Blimey some of you keep avoiding a simple question. Yes or No? Money spent elsewhere or here?

You are carrying on like we are sending all our money abroad in aid. We aren't. And while it isn't exactly 'pennies' as such, it is a tiny proportion of our budget.

So to answer your question, yes. I do think countries such as ours should do their bit for humanity.

I met a man in Tanzania who had a brother that died from malaria because his family couldn't afford the medication. And how much does the medication for malaria cost in Tanzania you ask? $3. Three fucking dollars. And he couldn't afford it to survive."
How much did you donate to healthcare when you were there? I do hope you didn't spend any m oney on yourself. No wonder money is no object to you swanning around there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When we are lucky enough to live in a country who’s social and economic structures provides us with a safety net that allows us to be in the position where we can even consider the OP’s question as a being viable option,,,,

To me that makes the answer a no brainier when tens of thousands of children all over the world are dying and suffering without our help…

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

when ppl in this country that are working are having to use food banks to survive something is very very wrong but thats the situation a lot of working ppl are finding themselves in and food banks are increasing at an alarming rate all over the country .big society my arse camoron and his government should hang there head in shame

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By *livia_KWoman
over a year ago

South London


"Couldn't agree more, however it's not a few pennies is it? It's a huge amount of money. Sooo we come back to the question... rather spend it here or elsewhere? Blimey some of you keep avoiding a simple question. Yes or No? Money spent elsewhere or here?

You are carrying on like we are sending all our money abroad in aid. We aren't. And while it isn't exactly 'pennies' as such, it is a tiny proportion of our budget.

So to answer your question, yes. I do think countries such as ours should do their bit for humanity.

I met a man in Tanzania who had a brother that died from malaria because his family couldn't afford the medication. And how much does the medication for malaria cost in Tanzania you ask? $3. Three fucking dollars. And he couldn't afford it to survive. How much did you donate to healthcare when you were there? I do hope you didn't spend any m oney on yourself. No wonder money is no object to you swanning around there. "

My money was spent locally to help the locals. Tourism is one of the few bits of income some of the places I have been to have. And what I do with my own money is of no interest to you. I have worked hard for it and will spend it as I please.

Your ignorance is absolutely fucking astounding.

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham


"Couldn't agree more, however it's not a few pennies is it? It's a huge amount of money. Sooo we come back to the question... rather spend it here or elsewhere? Blimey some of you keep avoiding a simple question. Yes or No? Money spent elsewhere or here?

I'll answer yes, just for the sake of it now. Keep the money here. Those pensioners living in Spain not speaking a word of Spanish have made their choice to leave the country so why should my taxes pay for them?"
I didn't realise Expats in Spain were included in foreign aid statistaics. Blimey that's a surprise. Are they really? I MEAN ARE THEY REALLY?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"0.56% is a huge amountg of money. it's all very well saying it's not a lot of money licketyspits.Might not be much to you. Depends if you and your kids are starving or not doesn't it? How nice to be in your comfy world.

Another assumption about me. I grew up in this country very poor. We were homeless as a family and I watched my mother work her fingers to the bone to earn £5 a week which was the exact same amount as our weekly rent on a one room bedsit for the four of us. I have experienced hunger, domestic violence and hardship.

I have worked for 34 years (albeit 3 of those as a Saturday job) and paid my taxes all of that time. My income has dropped by over 70% in the last four years and because I am self employed I work well below the minimum wage to earn my living. As a self employed person I am not entitled to any benefits, according to JobCentrePlus, and would have to wait 3 months before I could get anything. Anything I do get would have to be repaid if I take any work.

Do not dare to tell me that I don't know what I am talking about.

Oh please you had a rent that was the entire amount of your mom's wage when you were a kid? Just done the maths and that's a lie. Please keep things in perspective and don't fib to make a point.Every penny of mom's wage was rent? How did you live? "

You now accuse me of lying based on your maths. We lived on the fact that my father went out and worked wherever he could. Self employed as a mechanic. On the good weeks we had food enough and pocket money, which we weren't allowed to spend. On the bad weeks our pocket money was used for food.

But of course, I am lying and exaggerating as how is it possible for anyone to have lived like this?

Once again, please do not call me a liar or assume to know my experiences.

No answer will do for other than the one you have deemed to be the only valid and correct answer. I have not personally attacked you and I would appreciate you understanding that you can challenge the post someone makes without being rude to the person or calling them a liar.

However, I thank you for showing the rest of the forum the level of your ability to conduct an informed debate.

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By *livia_KWoman
over a year ago

South London


"Couldn't agree more, however it's not a few pennies is it? It's a huge amount of money. Sooo we come back to the question... rather spend it here or elsewhere? Blimey some of you keep avoiding a simple question. Yes or No? Money spent elsewhere or here?

I'll answer yes, just for the sake of it now. Keep the money here. Those pensioners living in Spain not speaking a word of Spanish have made their choice to leave the country so why should my taxes pay for them?I didn't realise Expats in Spain were included in foreign aid statistaics. Blimey that's a surprise. Are they really? I MEAN ARE THEY REALLY?"

Sarcasm is lost on you then.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"when ppl in this country that are working are having to use food banks to survive something is very very wrong but thats the situation a lot of working ppl are finding themselves in and food banks are increasing at an alarming rate all over the country .big society my arse camoron and his government should hang there head in shame "

Moreover, our Chancellor pointed out that the response of this country in providing foodbanks shows what a good lot we are. Look at the Trussell Trust reports.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Couldn't agree more, however it's not a few pennies is it? It's a huge amount of money. Sooo we come back to the question... rather spend it here or elsewhere? Blimey some of you keep avoiding a simple question. Yes or No? Money spent elsewhere or here?

I'll answer yes, just for the sake of it now. Keep the money here. Those pensioners living in Spain not speaking a word of Spanish have made their choice to leave the country so why should my taxes pay for them?I didn't realise Expats in Spain were included in foreign aid statistaics. Blimey that's a surprise. Are they really? I MEAN ARE THEY REALLY?"

Where in your straight question OP does it mention foreign aid. I answered the question you asked.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bedroom tax etc etc, how about living with no fresh water or sanitation as many do in The Sudan and Ethiopia!!! All things are relative.

But find a family and support them directly, giving money to many charities means you are lucky if 10cents on the dollar gets to the deserving.

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham

A lot of tripe is lost on me here. It seems I have offended fairly well heeled middle calss do gooders. Not calling people liars(well actually I am)liars by omission. My mom got "5 quid a week and it was spent on rent!!!!" failing to mention that your dad could have earned a fortune is laughable.Bit like saying you can only spend a tenner on food each but failing to mention you spend 300 quid on booze. I think my point is well made. We either have poverty in this country and can afoord to send money abroad or not. Which is it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think that amount of money sent abroad should be reduced and more money spent on people in this country that are starving and homeless.

There is no excuse for anyone in this country to be starving, I sometimes think that some people don't know the difference between starving and not being able to afford luxuries."

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham


"Couldn't agree more, however it's not a few pennies is it? It's a huge amount of money. Sooo we come back to the question... rather spend it here or elsewhere? Blimey some of you keep avoiding a simple question. Yes or No? Money spent elsewhere or here?

I'll answer yes, just for the sake of it now. Keep the money here. Those pensioners living in Spain not speaking a word of Spanish have made their choice to leave the country so why should my taxes pay for them?I didn't realise Expats in Spain were included in foreign aid statistaics. Blimey that's a surprise. Are they really? I MEAN ARE THEY REALLY?

Where in your straight question OP does it mention foreign aid. I answered the question you asked."
Erm my queation mentioned money spent abroad. Is that clear enough for you? ffs.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"A lot of tripe is lost on me here. It seems I have offended fairly well heeled middle calss do gooders. Not calling people liars(well actually I am)liars by omission. My mom got "5 quid a week and it was spent on rent!!!!" failing to mention that your dad could have earned a fortune is laughable.Bit like saying you can only spend a tenner on food each but failing to mention you spend 300 quid on booze. I think my point is well made. We either have poverty in this country and can afoord to send money abroad or not. Which is it?"

You called me a liar, outright and straight. How you could infer my father could be earning a fortune from my post which states that we lived in a 1 room bedsit, experienced homeless and hunger I don't know.

I am happy to be called a do gooder - I would rather be that than a do badder.

I repeat, only your view of what the answer to your question should be is the only one you wish to hear. The thread has been overwhelmed by those wanting to agree with you. I am absolutely certain that your inbox will have the messages of support you seek from those not willing to post their views. So, once again, I thank you for posting your views. Most enlightening.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Couldn't agree more, however it's not a few pennies is it? It's a huge amount of money. Sooo we come back to the question... rather spend it here or elsewhere? Blimey some of you keep avoiding a simple question. Yes or No? Money spent elsewhere or here?

I'll answer yes, just for the sake of it now. Keep the money here. Those pensioners living in Spain not speaking a word of Spanish have made their choice to leave the country so why should my taxes pay for them?I didn't realise Expats in Spain were included in foreign aid statistaics. Blimey that's a surprise. Are they really? I MEAN ARE THEY REALLY?

Where in your straight question OP does it mention foreign aid. I answered the question you asked. Erm my queation mentioned money spent abroad. Is that clear enough for you? ffs."

I answered about money sent to Spain, is that not abroad? Is that clear enough for you? Look at your original question and tell me how I didn't answer it? I was careful to read every single word, not to make assumptions about words you didn't use to try and infer any meaning I might have on the question. I answered your question.

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By *livia_KWoman
over a year ago

South London


"A lot of tripe is lost on me here. It seems I have offended fairly well heeled middle calss do gooders. Not calling people liars(well actually I am)liars by omission. My mom got "5 quid a week and it was spent on rent!!!!" failing to mention that your dad could have earned a fortune is laughable.Bit like saying you can only spend a tenner on food each but failing to mention you spend 300 quid on booze. I think my point is well made. We either have poverty in this country and can afoord to send money abroad or not. Which is it?"

There appears to be a lot that is lost on you.

Of course there is poverty in this country, as in every country. Nobody is denying that. But some countries have extreme levels of poverty, starvation, deprivation, disease, civil war, refugees, famine, corrupt governments, little or no democracy, no healthcare system. Do you not understand that? We do not have these things here. We just don't. And yes we should give some money to these people/places to help.

Would you prefer even more children in these countries to die of starvation and disease while we sit in a relatively rich country such as ours and keep all our money to ourselves? If your conscience can live with that then whatever.

Where's the humanity?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"A lot of tripe is lost on me here. It seems I have offended fairly well heeled middle calss do gooders. Not calling people liars(well actually I am)liars by omission. My mom got "5 quid a week and it was spent on rent!!!!" failing to mention that your dad could have earned a fortune is laughable.Bit like saying you can only spend a tenner on food each but failing to mention you spend 300 quid on booze. I think my point is well made. We either have poverty in this country and can afoord to send money abroad or not. Which is it?

There appears to be a lot that is lost on you.

Of course there is poverty in this country, as in every country. Nobody is denying that. But some countries have extreme levels of poverty, starvation, deprivation, disease, civil war, refugees, famine, corrupt governments, little or no democracy, no healthcare system. Do you not understand that? We do not have these things here. We just don't. And yes we should give some money to these people/places to help.

Would you prefer even more children in these countries to die of starvation and disease while we sit in a relatively rich country such as ours and keep all our money to ourselves? If your conscience can live with that then whatever.

Where's the humanity?"

Or, heaven forbid, more people travel here looking for a better life? What an outrage that would cause all for the want of some humanity.

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham

Of course I don't wish any child to atarve (or any adult). However I find it amazing that we should spend money abroad when we apparently have shortages of cash for necessities at home (GB). When a call is made for more cash to be given to the NHS do you think perhaps as we have a limited ampunt of expendable income that cash should go to the NHS or foreign aid? Oh and all of you please tell a mom or dad to explain to their under 2 year olds who are famished how lucky they ate to live here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A question for you Bobbyggg.

If you would prefer that the UK spends nothing abroad and leaves other people to do the best they can or as nature allows, then why bother spending anything in this country on aid or charity either?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do I think that money should be spent overseas to help people in desperate need? Yes.

Considering all the exploitation developed countries have committed to the Third World then it's only right we should give back a few pennies to those who do not have the luxury to live in a country such as this.

I think people should question the amount of money the government loves to waste.

Billions spent on Defence to fund wars overseas to secure material wealth underneath the ground but somehow we cannot afford the social housing needed to get people off the streets. No one should be homeless in this country.

A national health service, pound stores left right and centre, one of the richest if not the richest financial capital district in the world (City of London) where money is wasted every weekend on frivolous things, people breeding when they know they cannot afford to have any more children but it gets them more benefits...

I could go on but please don't pretend like we have it bad in this country. Ask yourself what are you doing to help your fellow human.

Having volunteered for a charity that offers support to people in this country it's a struggle to raise money even from fellow Brits. So let's not act like we're doing enough to help those who are suffering down the road from us.

Do more, donate, have a look out your windows and realize we're very fortunate to be where we are right now.

A little bit of perspective

Silk

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Famished?.....in the UK, really?

Famine is starvation to the point of near death, there is absolutely no reason in any British household where they will have a Two year old child who is famished.

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham

Well that is a bit extreme but here goes. I would feed the people closest to me,that's my family,then close friends and then the rest. We are talking about a limited amount of help here. If money/food was no object then let everyone have as much as they like/need. No problem.

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over a year ago


"Do I think that money should be spent overseas to help people in desperate need? Yes.

Considering all the exploitation developed countries have committed to the Third World then it's only right we should give back a few pennies to those who do not have the luxury to live in a country such as this.

I think people should question the amount of money the government loves to waste.

Billions spent on Defence to fund wars overseas to secure material wealth underneath the ground but somehow we cannot afford the social housing needed to get people off the streets. No one should be homeless in this country.

A national health service, pound stores left right and centre, one of the richest if not the richest financial capital district in the world (City of London) where money is wasted every weekend on frivolous things, people breeding when they know they cannot afford to have any more children but it gets them more benefits...

I could go on but please don't pretend like we have it bad in this country. Ask yourself what are you doing to help your fellow human.

Having volunteered for a charity that offers support to people in this country it's a struggle to raise money even from fellow Brits. So let's not act like we're doing enough to help those who are suffering down the road from us.

Do more, donate, have a look out your windows and realize we're very fortunate to be where we are right now.

A little bit of perspective

Silk"

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham


"Famished?.....in the UK, really?

Famine is starvation to the point of near death, there is absolutely no reason in any British household where they will have a Two year old child who is famished.

You sure about that? a 2yr old died the other day of starvation in Britain.

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over a year ago

Does anyone here believe we give 0.56% in hard cash?

If 0.56% is too much, how much is acceptable to you?

Do people appreciate the positive impact on our GDP of 'aid' which masks the real cost to our economy?

This is not a simple question to answer if you look even slightly below the surface.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Famished?.....in the UK, really?

Famine is starvation to the point of near death, there is absolutely no reason in any British household where they will have a Two year old child who is famished.

You sure about that? a 2yr old died the other day of starvation in Britain.

"

Where was social services? Help is available in this country. Foreign aid won't have stopped an at risk child from getting food. Look at the work of the Trussell Trust and others. I don't know the story you are talking about but there must have been other issues going on for a 2 year old to starve in this country. It is awful but it is not comparable.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay


"Famished?.....in the UK, really?

Famine is starvation to the point of near death, there is absolutely no reason in any British household where they will have a Two year old child who is famished.

You sure about that? a 2yr old died the other day of starvation in Britain.

"

I think you are well aware that it was as a result of a criminal act rather than as a result of poverty....you have just shown your ignorance with that silly remark

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Think less shud be spent abroad and our taxes we pay in Britain be used to improve our NHS, Education , make sure there are jobs for british ppl instead of giving jobs and all the benefits and homes to asylum seekers!!

Sometimes I wonder the state this country is heading with the ecomomy and goverment in so much debt will we be like africa in the future?

Luci

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham


"Famished?.....in the UK, really?

Famine is starvation to the point of near death, there is absolutely no reason in any British household where they will have a Two year old child who is famished.

You sure about that? a 2yr old died the other day of starvation in Britain.

I think you are well aware that it was as a result of a criminal act rather than as a result of poverty....you have just shown your ignorance with that silly remark"
Actually if more was spent on policing children in this coutry then maybe that litte boy would have survived. More foreign aid or more spent of saFEGUARDING KIDS. wHAT'S YOUR PRIORITY?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've been poor and worked hard to get what I have should I keep it all to myself .I choose not too ,I gain more pleasure giving even a small amount to those who need it more than my family.For my family it makes us appreciate what we have.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Does anyone here believe we give 0.56% in hard cash?

If 0.56% is too much, how much is acceptable to you?

Do people appreciate the positive impact on our GDP of 'aid' which masks the real cost to our economy?

This is not a simple question to answer if you look even slightly below the surface. "

I know you've had a hard day at work but many of us have tried to explain that "aid" of 0.56% is no all cash and that is this is not a simple question. There was a Soxy thread before this one.

It seems that arguing against the OP makes one a sensationalist, lying liberal. If you look earlier in the thread you will see that I have been called a liar not once but several times. I even answered the OP question in a straight way based on nothing but the question.

Don't trust anything I post though because I must have made it up.

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over a year ago

A lot of people do seem to think we are sending too much, I think we need to provide aid to other countries but I'm not sure it should always be monetary aid. I'm sure more than a few have profited from aid money in some way. This has happened with food aid too in Africa so I guess there is no perfect solution. I do think we need to closely oversee where the money is going as opposed to just sending money to governments.

I do mind it being given to India in particular, last figure I remember was around £250 million. Again there are people in India who require aid, but when there government runs a space agency with a budget of around $950 million this year and has spent however much on nuclear weapons is it aid? If their government can afford those expenditures do they really require our assistance???

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham

you said it lickety not me.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay


"A lot of people do seem to think we are sending too much, I think we need to provide aid to other countries but I'm not sure it should always be monetary aid. I'm sure more than a few have profited from aid money in some way. This has happened with food aid too in Africa so I guess there is no perfect solution. I do think we need to closely oversee where the money is going as opposed to just sending money to governments.

I do mind it being given to India in particular, last figure I remember was around £250 million. Again there are people in India who require aid, but when there government runs a space agency with a budget of around $950 million this year and has spent however much on nuclear weapons is it aid? If their government can afford those expenditures do they really require our assistance??? "

'Oiling the wheels'......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I saw report on the news this week about a seaside town in Britain that is the most impoverished in the country.

I didn't see any flies buzzing, bones sticking out from their bodies, tin roofs, limbless children or houses battered by rockets.

Now.... asked how they saw their futures, the young people (one of which was far from skinny) did mention that it was bleak, fair enough, with beaming smiles on their faces

Very much doubt you'll get the same smile from people in the third world who need the 'small change' we send out.

Like I said earlier, a little bit of perspective needed.

Silk

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ


"You sure about that? a 2yr old died the other day of starvation in Britain.

"

Probably more a case of neglect by so called "parents" and their needs coming before what should have been their top priority

When I was on the dole a few years ago, I always made sure my dog had enough food to last him for a fortnight

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham


"I saw report on the news this week about a seaside town in Britain that is the most impoverished in the country.

I didn't see any flies buzzing, bones sticking out from their bodies, tin roofs, limbless children or houses battered by rockets. I'm sure you didnt see any of ythose things. did you see any palaces and nuclear weapons there such as the ones we pay for with foreign aid?

Now.... asked how they saw their futures, the young people (one of which was far from skinny) did mention that it was bleak, fair enough, with beaming smiles on their faces

Very much doubt you'll get the same smile from people in the third world who need the 'small change' we send out.

Like I said earlier, a little bit of perspective needed.

Silk

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"you said it lickety not me."

I think you should re-read your own posts, you said it and continue with your assertion that I am lying - no retractions or apologies from you.

Just my assumption of course, but it seems that being female and articulate must trigger something in your mind that makes you assume that I MUST have had a comfortable, middle class, cosy life.

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham

Bloody hell what a bizarre reply lickety. Just because I take an opposing point of view to yours I have all sorts of issues in my bonce? Thanks for the laugh.

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham

Oh and for your information you don't have to put a comma in front of "but". Apart from that fairly articulate.Not sure I actually said I thought you were articulate. Not a chance actually. No praise like self praise(or delusion) eh?

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By *livia_KWoman
over a year ago

South London


"Bloody hell what a bizarre reply lickety. Just because I take an opposing point of view to yours I have all sorts of issues in my bonce? Thanks for the laugh."

Actually you're the one that has given me the laugh this evening.

Sincerly, Oli - who comes from a poor working class background where we even had to resort to charity to eat.

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham


"Bloody hell what a bizarre reply lickety. Just because I take an opposing point of view to yours I have all sorts of issues in my bonce? Thanks for the laugh.

Actually you're the one that has given me the laugh this evening.

Sincerly, Oli - who comes from a poor working class background where we even had to resort to charity to eat. "
Nice to see you d*unk whilst posting. wHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Bloody hell what a bizarre reply lickety. Just because I take an opposing point of view to yours I have all sorts of issues in my bonce? Thanks for the laugh."

No more bizarre than you calling me a liar for posting about my early life. It was merely an assumption on my part about what might be in your head, based on your postings. Nowhere have I said that you think these things. I now think you only answer those parts that you choose to whilst pressing others to answer you in exactly the way that you want. All I am doing is presenting a different point of view. Oh and asking for a retraction and apology for calling me a liar. Which, I assume, will never come.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ


"Oh and for your information you don't have to put a comma in front of "but". Apart from that fairly articulate.Not sure I actually said I thought you were articulate. Not a chance actually. No praise like self praise(or delusion) eh?"

Ahhhh, get a room you two, I'm sure you'll have a dandy evening

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Oh and for your information you don't have to put a comma in front of "but". Apart from that fairly articulate.Not sure I actually said I thought you were articulate. Not a chance actually. No praise like self praise(or delusion) eh?"

Again, nowhere did I say that YOU have said that I am articulate. I am not praising myself for being articulate. I said it was an assumption.

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham

Your assumption was wrong then.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Oh and for your information you don't have to put a comma in front of "but". Apart from that fairly articulate.Not sure I actually said I thought you were articulate. Not a chance actually. No praise like self praise(or delusion) eh?

Ahhhh, get a room you two, I'm sure you'll have a dandy evening "

I have made a simple request for a retraction and apology. I do apologise to the rest of you for being boring about all of this now but my reputation and character have been impugned. Surely you would you understand fighting for your reputation?

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By *livia_KWoman
over a year ago

South London


"Oh and for your information you don't have to put a comma in front of "but". Apart from that fairly articulate.Not sure I actually said I thought you were articulate. Not a chance actually. No praise like self praise(or delusion) eh?

Ahhhh, get a room you two, I'm sure you'll have a dandy evening

I have made a simple request for a retraction and apology. I do apologise to the rest of you for being boring about all of this now but my reputation and character have been impugned. Surely you would you understand fighting for your reputation?"

Lickety your reputation hasn't been ruined in my eyes. You see, I can read unlike some people

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham

I only apologise when someone proves to me I was wrong. With all due respect every word on here is purely and simply worht zero in reality. I could state anything on here and so could you and doesn't mean it's true does it?

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

The sad thing is this thread could have been a really good and worthwhile debate on the subject.....

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ


"Ahhhh, get a room you two, I'm sure you'll have a dandy evening

I have made a simple request for a retraction and apology. I do apologise to the rest of you for being boring about all of this now but my reputation and character have been impugned. Surely you would you understand fighting for your reputation?"

I sure do, smart, err sorry, sexyarse

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If as nation we were well off fair enough but as we keep getting told we are skint then time to look after uk folk first.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Oh and for your information you don't have to put a comma in front of "but". Apart from that fairly articulate.Not sure I actually said I thought you were articulate. Not a chance actually. No praise like self praise(or delusion) eh?

Ahhhh, get a room you two, I'm sure you'll have a dandy evening

I have made a simple request for a retraction and apology. I do apologise to the rest of you for being boring about all of this now but my reputation and character have been impugned. Surely you would you understand fighting for your reputation?

Lickety your reputation hasn't been ruined in my eyes. You see, I can read unlike some people "

Thank you. However, I am aware this thread has made me boring. I have not pressed the report button about being called a liar. As offensive as that is being a rational human adult I reason that remaining civil, adult and arguing the points raised without attacking the other party personally should be enough.

How tragic to stoop to being boring.

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham


"Oh and for your information you don't have to put a comma in front of "but". Apart from that fairly articulate.Not sure I actually said I thought you were articulate. Not a chance actually. No praise like self praise(or delusion) eh?

Ahhhh, get a room you two, I'm sure you'll have a dandy evening I think we can all read or otherwise we wouldn't be able to contribute. Thanks anyway for that.

I have made a simple request for a retraction and apology. I do apologise to the rest of you for being boring about all of this now but my reputation and character have been impugned. Surely you would you understand fighting for your reputation?

Lickety your reputation hasn't been ruined in my eyes. You see, I can read unlike some people "

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham


"Oh and for your information you don't have to put a comma in front of "but". Apart from that fairly articulate.Not sure I actually said I thought you were articulate. Not a chance actually. No praise like self praise(or delusion) eh?

Ahhhh, get a room you two, I'm sure you'll have a dandy evening (thumb Not my fault you are (self confessed) boring)

I have made a simple request for a retraction and apology. I do apologise to the rest of you for being boring about all of this now but my reputation and character have been impugned. Surely you would you understand fighting for your reputation?

Lickety your reputation hasn't been ruined in my eyes. You see, I can read unlike some people

Thank you. However, I am aware this thread has made me boring. I have not pressed the report button about being called a liar. As offensive as that is being a rational human adult I reason that remaining civil, adult and arguing the points raised without attacking the other party personally should be enough.

How tragic to stoop to being boring. "

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"I only apologise when someone proves to me I was wrong. With all due respect every word on here is purely and simply worht zero in reality. I could state anything on here and so could you and doesn't mean it's true does it?

"

So I should read from that statement that you weren't telling the truth about me being a liar. I think not. I have posted in the past about the poverty I have experienced. I have enough integrity about me to stick to my belief systems and stay true to myself. My record of postings will show a consistency in those beliefs and views and attacking an individual in a such a personal way is, if nothing else, unseemly.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"The sad thing is this thread could have been a really good and worthwhile debate on the subject....."

I agree and I am sorry for my part in making is tedious.

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham

Well it would be odd to attack (rather a dramatic word) any individual who hadn't posted wouldn't it? I am at a loss to see how how on earth I can be expected to know your history of postings on here. I shall repeat. Anyone can post anything they wish on here. None of it need be true. Would you agree lickety?

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ


"Ahhhh, get a room you two, I'm sure you'll have a dandy evening (thumb Not my fault you are (self confessed) boring)

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I thought that was a tad unsubtle, if ya want to doctor a post do it in a humorous way chap

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over a year ago


"A lot of people do seem to think we are sending too much, I think we need to provide aid to other countries but I'm not sure it should always be monetary aid. I'm sure more than a few have profited from aid money in some way. This has happened with food aid too in Africa so I guess there is no perfect solution. I do think we need to closely oversee where the money is going as opposed to just sending money to governments.

I do mind it being given to India in particular, last figure I remember was around £250 million. Again there are people in India who require aid, but when there government runs a space agency with a budget of around $950 million this year and has spent however much on nuclear weapons is it aid? If their government can afford those expenditures do they really require our assistance??? "

Sums up just how I see it

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Well it would be odd to attack (rather a dramatic word) any individual who hadn't posted wouldn't it? I am at a loss to see how how on earth I can be expected to know your history of postings on here. I shall repeat. Anyone can post anything they wish on here. None of it need be true. Would you agree lickety?

"

The point I am making is that you called me a liar on more than one occasion. People may well not be truthful on here but who are you, or I, to judge which posts are true and which aren't? My point about my own posts is that I am consistent in my posts. My point is that you call me a liar, not once but several times, and that is rude and an attack on me and my reputation. I have not once suggested that you change YOUR belief that I am liar. I have asked that you retract calling me a liar and apologise for that rudeness. The fact that you choose not to see that is all that now comes through. With every assertion that I should agree that people may not tell the truth on here adds to the weight of you saying that I am a liar. This post is written in all honesty.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Ahhhh, get a room you two, I'm sure you'll have a dandy evening (thumb Not my fault you are (self confessed) boring)

I thought that was a tad unsubtle, if ya want to doctor a post do it in a humorous way chap "

Where was that posted?

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over a year ago


"No blather and bull.Forget all this trade credits and so. Do you wish for money to be spent in GB and help people in need or to be used for people abroad? Sorry folks, no disrespect to those elsewhere but my I want my money spent here helping people regardless of colour or ethnicity.Yes or no?

We have voted in Governments that have made the choice to spend some of our tax money as foreign aid, and it is the decent human response to make. ....if you want to make sure that money is spent in the UK then find some charities to support that fit in with that ethos...and use your vote wisely "

No party or independent candidate actually made a point of saying they would stop all foreign aid. The money that our government(s) throw around is OURS. They don't seem to know that. I would not give a penny to any other country. I would give them practical help and food and medicine. But money? It just gets frittered away by their governments, the same way ours does. I would not withhold food and medicine from starving and diseased poor people, but when their own governments are spending money on space programs and nuclear warheads, then I would just tell them straight, stop pissing your money up the wall and look after your own.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"No blather and bull.Forget all this trade credits and so. Do you wish for money to be spent in GB and help people in need or to be used for people abroad? Sorry folks, no disrespect to those elsewhere but my I want my money spent here helping people regardless of colour or ethnicity.Yes or no?

We have voted in Governments that have made the choice to spend some of our tax money as foreign aid, and it is the decent human response to make. ....if you want to make sure that money is spent in the UK then find some charities to support that fit in with that ethos...and use your vote wisely

No party or independent candidate actually made a point of saying they would stop all foreign aid. The money that our government(s) throw around is OURS. They don't seem to know that. I would not give a penny to any other country. I would give them practical help and food and medicine. But money? It just gets frittered away by their governments, the same way ours does. I would not withhold food and medicine from starving and diseased poor people, but when their own governments are spending money on space programs and nuclear warheads, then I would just tell them straight, stop pissing your money up the wall and look after your own."

A lot of the aid this country gives is in the form of food and medicine. It has a monetary value (that's how budgets are constructed) but it doesn't mean it is sent as cash every where.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ


"Ahhhh, get a room you two, I'm sure you'll have a dandy evening (thumb Not my fault you are (self confessed) boring)

I thought that was a tad unsubtle, if ya want to doctor a post do it in a humorous way chap

Where was that posted?"

2 posts after your "so tragic to stoop to being boring"

Help me, what's happening here......

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay


"No blather and bull.Forget all this trade credits and so. Do you wish for money to be spent in GB and help people in need or to be used for people abroad? Sorry folks, no disrespect to those elsewhere but my I want my money spent here helping people regardless of colour or ethnicity.Yes or no?

We have voted in Governments that have made the choice to spend some of our tax money as foreign aid, and it is the decent human response to make. ....if you want to make sure that money is spent in the UK then find some charities to support that fit in with that ethos...and use your vote wisely

No party or independent candidate actually made a point of saying they would stop all foreign aid. The money that our government(s) throw around is OURS. They don't seem to know that. I would not give a penny to any other country. I would give them practical help and food and medicine. But money? It just gets frittered away by their governments, the same way ours does. I would not withhold food and medicine from starving and diseased poor people, but when their own governments are spending money on space programs and nuclear warheads, then I would just tell them straight, stop pissing your money up the wall and look after your own.

A lot of the aid this country gives is in the form of food and medicine. It has a monetary value (that's how budgets are constructed) but it doesn't mean it is sent as cash every where.

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Exactly...also in the form of trade credits, equipment (often used equipment), assisted infrastructure projects where British companies get the contracts, military training, police training....all have a cash value even if no actual cash changes hands.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"I think that amount of money sent abroad should be reduced and more money spent on people in this country that are starving and homeless.

But it wouldn't be, would it.

It'd be spent on something else you probably don't approve of.

If you have nothing to add to a discussion maybe don't comment as nearly every post I see that you have put on the forums is to try and get a reaction from people rather than having an adult discussion. "

Just because you don't like an answer doesn't mean it ought not to be added here.

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham

Who said it was sent as cash? If it has a monetary value then it has a monetary impact somewhere doesn't it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But plenty of cash IS given away.

And to the people who argue that we don't have people starving in this country, when did it become a race to the bottom? Typical response of some people, "think yourself lucky that you are eating out of date food, some people haven't got that". Hardly the way forward for a supposedly super-rich country like ours, is it?

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham

Couldn't agree more. Perhaps our selfless souls on here should forgo the internet subscription for 6 months and donate that cash to the 3rd world? Will they? Like hell they will.

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham

Gosh gone quiet here.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Lets look at One example to make the debate easier.....India.

One of the fastest growing economies in the world, a bottomless pot of future trade for British companies...Hundreds of Billions potentially to be made in the decades ahead for those British companies.

'Oiling the wheels'....'Feathering the nest'.....call it what you will, it is a major reason for British aid and always has been over the years.

£250 million in aid for India?

Small change when you see the benefits for British companies.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Ahhhh, get a room you two, I'm sure you'll have a dandy evening (thumb Not my fault you are (self confessed) boring)

I thought that was a tad unsubtle, if ya want to doctor a post do it in a humorous way chap

Where was that posted?

2 posts after your "so tragic to stoop to being boring"

Help me, what's happening here......"

Thanks, I can see it's embedded in the text now - I thought it had just been reposted with nothing added.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


".........

A lot of the aid this country gives is in the form of food and medicine. It has a monetary value (that's how budgets are constructed) but it doesn't mean it is sent as cash every where.

Exactly...also in the form of trade credits, equipment (often used equipment), assisted infrastructure projects where British companies get the contracts, military training, police training....all have a cash value even if no actual cash changes hands.

"

Exactly the point I endeavoured to make in the other, now closed, thread.

While we're at it, does anyone actually think the fact the Trussell Trust is expanding every week shows how well the UK is doing?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Lets look at One example to make the debate easier.....India.

One of the fastest growing economies in the world, a bottomless pot of future trade for British companies...Hundreds of Billions potentially to be made in the decades ahead for those British companies.

'Oiling the wheels'....'Feathering the nest'.....call it what you will, it is a major reason for British aid and always has been over the years.

£250 million in aid for India?

Small change when you see the benefits for British companies.

"

Indian companies, like Tata, do quite well out of the relationship too.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Couldn't agree more. Perhaps our selfless souls on here should forgo the internet subscription for 6 months and donate that cash to the 3rd world? Will they? Like hell they will."

Another assumption about what others will and won't do? Some give, some don't. Some can afford to give and don't, some can't afford to give and do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No matter how much you try and paint how badly done people in this country are. It is nothing compared those overseas who don't have clean water, daily food, any medical help and die from diarrhoea, no shelter, live in war zones.

The people we class as suffering in this country, many abroad would do anything to live their standard of life!

We are spoilt brats of the world.

I want to see the money go overseas and people here learn to appriciate what they have!

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham

Right. Ok I got it. You don't want aid to help people just to help industry and commerce. Excuse me but I didn't think Foreign Aid was for anything other than helping kids not to starve. I'm sure the Gov't sell the argument of nonstarvation to me. My mistake. Now should we still send/spend money if all it does is make money for business should we stop it? Obviously it isn't helping the people who really need it is it?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


".........

A lot of the aid this country gives is in the form of food and medicine. It has a monetary value (that's how budgets are constructed) but it doesn't mean it is sent as cash every where.

Exactly...also in the form of trade credits, equipment (often used equipment), assisted infrastructure projects where British companies get the contracts, military training, police training....all have a cash value even if no actual cash changes hands.

Exactly the point I endeavoured to make in the other, now closed, thread.

While we're at it, does anyone actually think the fact the Trussell Trust is expanding every week shows how well the UK is doing?"

No, the expansion of Trussell is a very bad sign. My experience of them and their ethos is not to say letting others starve in the rest of the world is the answer though.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Right. Ok I got it. You don't want aid to help people just to help industry and commerce. Excuse me but I didn't think Foreign Aid was for anything other than helping kids not to starve. I'm sure the Gov't sell the argument of nonstarvation to me. My mistake. ....... "

Helping starving kids is usually left to charities, mostly funded by individuals with the government's input coming in the form of Gift Aid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's no poor people In this country. Well except the working class who get no hand outs.

How can you be starving when you've feck all to pay out and get everything paid for you.

However money should be spent on GB charities.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

India is currently the worlds biggest importer of arms and military equipment, spending around $49 Billion a year on arms imports in 2011.

Britain is the worlds Sixth biggest arms exporter.

BAE signed a £1.4 billion arms contract with India in 2012.

India purchased 36,000 Land Rovers in 2011 for their armed forces that were manufactured in Britain.

Tata may own Land Rover but the jobs are British.

Foreign aid often has underlying reasoning...

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham


"No matter how much you try and paint how badly done people in this country are. It is nothing compared those overseas who don't have clean water, daily food, any medical help and die from diarrhoea, no shelter, live in war zones.

The people we class as suffering in this country, many abroad would do anything to live their standard of life!

We are spoilt brats of the world.

I want to see the money go overseas and people here learn to appriciate what they have!"
We had a suicide in Bham because of a bedroom tax threat. Is that bad enough for you? Maybe,just maybe she would have lived if enough cash was here and spent not abroad. What do you thinK?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Lets look at One example to make the debate easier.....India.

One of the fastest growing economies in the world, a bottomless pot of future trade for British companies...Hundreds of Billions potentially to be made in the decades ahead for those British companies.

'Oiling the wheels'....'Feathering the nest'.....call it what you will, it is a major reason for British aid and always has been over the years.

£250 million in aid for India?

Small change when you see the benefits for British companies.

"

At what point do they become self sufficient? Or are they already quite capable but are laughing up their sleeves at our conviction that we still carry "the white mans burden"?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"..........

India purchased 36,000 Land Rovers in 2011 for their armed forces that were manufactured in Britain.

..............

"

Again, the point I was making on the other, now closed, thread.

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By *livia_KWoman
over a year ago

South London


"No matter how much you try and paint how badly done people in this country are. It is nothing compared those overseas who don't have clean water, daily food, any medical help and die from diarrhoea, no shelter, live in war zones.

The people we class as suffering in this country, many abroad would do anything to live their standard of life!

We are spoilt brats of the world.

I want to see the money go overseas and people here learn to appriciate what they have! We had a suicide in Bham because of a bedroom tax threat. Is that bad enough for you? Maybe,just maybe she would have lived if enough cash was here and spent not abroad. What do you thinK?"

I think you have absolutely no perspective.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"....... We had a suicide in Bham because of a bedroom tax threat. Is that bad enough for you? ......."

How many more must there be before people realise Tory policy isn't working?

Maybe, however, that's part of the plan. Reduce the demand for housing by killing people off.

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham


".........

A lot of the aid this country gives is in the form of food and medicine. It has a monetary value (that's how budgets are constructed) but it doesn't mean it is sent as cash every where.

Exactly...also in the form of trade credits, equipment (often used equipment), assisted infrastructure projects where British companies get the contracts, military training, police training....all have a cash value even if no actual cash changes hands.

Exactly the point I endeavoured to make in the other, now closed, thread.

While we're at it, does anyone actually think the fact the Trussell Trust is expanding every week shows how well the UK is doing?

No, the expansion of Trussell is a very bad sign. My experience of them and their ethos is not to say letting others starve in the rest of the world is the answer though."
Can't quite see your point.Hopefully you may expand.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay


"Right. Ok I got it. You don't want aid to help people just to help industry and commerce. Excuse me but I didn't think Foreign Aid was for anything other than helping kids not to starve. I'm sure the Gov't sell the argument of nonstarvation to me. My mistake. Now should we still send/spend money if all it does is make money for business should we stop it? Obviously it isn't helping the people who really need it is it? "

Show me any government statement that says all foreign aid is to stop starvation?

It's often stated to be for infrastructure....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No matter how much you try and paint how badly done people in this country are. It is nothing compared those overseas who don't have clean water, daily food, any medical help and die from diarrhoea, no shelter, live in war zones.

The people we class as suffering in this country, many abroad would do anything to live their standard of life!

We are spoilt brats of the world.

I want to see the money go overseas and people here learn to appriciate what they have! We had a suicide in Bham because of a bedroom tax threat. Is that bad enough for you? Maybe,just maybe she would have lived if enough cash was here and spent not abroad. What do you thinK?"

Poor argument. The bedroom tax affects those already gaining substantial benefits. Typical figures quoted are a reduction in housing benefit from £90 to £76 a WEEK.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"No matter how much you try and paint how badly done people in this country are. It is nothing compared those overseas who don't have clean water, daily food, any medical help and die from diarrhoea, no shelter, live in war zones.

The people we class as suffering in this country, many abroad would do anything to live their standard of life!

We are spoilt brats of the world.

I want to see the money go overseas and people here learn to appriciate what they have! We had a suicide in Bham because of a bedroom tax threat. Is that bad enough for you? Maybe,just maybe she would have lived if enough cash was here and spent not abroad. What do you thinK?"

I think even if we had the money from foreign aid the current ideology would have still led to this suicide. It wasn't want of cash that caused her suicide it was the constant hammering on from government and the press that anyone claiming is a feckless and a scrounger.

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham


"....... We had a suicide in Bham because of a bedroom tax threat. Is that bad enough for you? .......

How many more must there be before people realise Tory policy isn't working?

Maybe, however, that's part of the plan. Reduce the demand for housing by killing people off."
That has to be the most ridiculous post ever. A ploy to kill people off? Oh please.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"....... We had a suicide in Bham because of a bedroom tax threat. Is that bad enough for you? .......

How many more must there be before people realise Tory policy isn't working?

Maybe, however, that's part of the plan. Reduce the demand for housing by killing people off."

Onny, on the assumption that your an educated man, you will be aware that from a health perspective, prevention is better than treating the symptoms.

Tories FTW

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


".........

A lot of the aid this country gives is in the form of food and medicine. It has a monetary value (that's how budgets are constructed) but it doesn't mean it is sent as cash every where.

Exactly...also in the form of trade credits, equipment (often used equipment), assisted infrastructure projects where British companies get the contracts, military training, police training....all have a cash value even if no actual cash changes hands.

Exactly the point I endeavoured to make in the other, now closed, thread.

While we're at it, does anyone actually think the fact the Trussell Trust is expanding every week shows how well the UK is doing?

No, the expansion of Trussell is a very bad sign. My experience of them and their ethos is not to say letting others starve in the rest of the world is the answer though. Can't quite see your point.Hopefully you may expand. "

There is no point in my expanding. I am by your assertion a liar. What I know of Trussell and it's work, by extension, must therefore be lies.

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham

No disrespect mate but you won't get much under a £100 a week here. That along with the bedroom tax leaves some people with 50 quid a week to live on. You think that's ok? I don't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No matter how much you try and paint how badly done people in this country are. It is nothing compared those overseas who don't have clean water, daily food, any medical help and die from diarrhoea, no shelter, live in war zones.

The people we class as suffering in this country, many abroad would do anything to live their standard of life!

We are spoilt brats of the world.

I want to see the money go overseas and people here learn to appriciate what they have! We had a suicide in Bham because of a bedroom tax threat. Is that bad enough for you? Maybe,just maybe she would have lived if enough cash was here and spent not abroad. What do you thinK?"

My point excatly.. Maybe she should of been grateful for one bedroom let alone spare ones!

She could of joined others in the world where one family live in a shack with no running water or electricity..

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham


"No matter how much you try and paint how badly done people in this country are. It is nothing compared those overseas who don't have clean water, daily food, any medical help and die from diarrhoea, no shelter, live in war zones.

The people we class as suffering in this country, many abroad would do anything to live their standard of life!

We are spoilt brats of the world.

I want to see the money go overseas and people here learn to appriciate what they have! We had a suicide in Bham because of a bedroom tax threat. Is that bad enough for you? Maybe,just maybe she would have lived if enough cash was here and spent not abroad. What do you thinK?

I think even if we had the money from foreign aid the current ideology would have still led to this suicide. It wasn't want of cash that caused her suicide it was the constant hammering on from government and the press that anyone claiming is a feckless and a scrounger.Totally wrong. She left a note saying is was the fact she was losing her home because of the bedrrom tax. Look it up in the Birmingham Mail.

"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No matter how much you try and paint how badly done people in this country are. It is nothing compared those overseas who don't have clean water, daily food, any medical help and die from diarrhoea, no shelter, live in war zones.

The people we class as suffering in this country, many abroad would do anything to live their standard of life!

We are spoilt brats of the world.

I want to see the money go overseas and people here learn to appriciate what they have! We had a suicide in Bham because of a bedroom tax threat. Is that bad enough for you? Maybe,just maybe she would have lived if enough cash was here and spent not abroad. What do you thinK?

I think even if we had the money from foreign aid the current ideology would have still led to this suicide. It wasn't want of cash that caused her suicide it was the constant hammering on from government and the press that anyone claiming is a feckless and a scrounger.Totally wrong. She left a note saying is was the fact she was losing her home because of the bedrrom tax. Look it up in the Birmingham Mail.

"

Any chance you can use +quote correctly?

Ta,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I been watching these commercial's for many year's and they never seem to change so is are money really helping?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"But find a family and support them directly, giving money to many charities means you are lucky if 10cents on the dollar gets to the deserving."

when we went to the dominican republic we took a load of school supplies so when we visited a shanty town the kids could go to school

pens, pencils and books ment they could get an education.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No disrespect mate but you won't get much under a £100 a week here. That along with the bedroom tax leaves some people with 50 quid a week to live on. You think that's ok? I don't. "

Funnily enough i do. I have to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So we should all thank our lucky stars that we don't live in squalor? And thank the government for allowing us to keep a little of our wages? How much of our wages go in NI, Tax, and then the additional taxes on food, petrol and everything else? And we are supposed to feel grateful???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


".........

A lot of the aid this country gives is in the form of food and medicine. It has a monetary value (that's how budgets are constructed) but it doesn't mean it is sent as cash every where.

Exactly...also in the form of trade credits, equipment (often used equipment), assisted infrastructure projects where British companies get the contracts, military training, police training....all have a cash value even if no actual cash changes hands.

Exactly the point I endeavoured to make in the other, now closed, thread.

While we're at it, does anyone actually think the fact the Trussell Trust is expanding every week shows how well the UK is doing?

No, the expansion of Trussell is a very bad sign. My experience of them and their ethos is not to say letting others starve in the rest of the world is the answer though. Can't quite see your point.Hopefully you may expand.

There is no point in my expanding. I am by your assertion a liar. What I know of Trussell and it's work, by extension, must therefore be lies.

"

Lickety, your getting a bit silly now, we've heard you several times. One person being a liar or not, does not falsify all the work of an extraneoeous organisation. You know that all too well.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"....... We had a suicide in Bham because of a bedroom tax threat. Is that bad enough for you? .......

How many more must there be before people realise Tory policy isn't working?

Maybe, however, that's part of the plan. Reduce the demand for housing by killing people off. That has to be the most ridiculous post ever. A ploy to kill people off? Oh please."

The, the Tories, got a bit panicky at the population figures this afternoon.

I reckon there an element in Conservative Campaign HQ at Millbank who'd approve of losing a few more poor people.

Pickles probably thinks they'd make a fine snack.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"So we should all thank our lucky stars that we don't live in squalor? And thank the government for allowing us to keep a little of our wages? How much of our wages go in NI, Tax, and then the additional taxes on food, petrol and everything else? And we are supposed to feel grateful???"

I wondered how long it'd take the losing side to change the subject

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"No matter how much you try and paint how badly done people in this country are. It is nothing compared those overseas who don't have clean water, daily food, any medical help and die from diarrhoea, no shelter, live in war zones.

The people we class as suffering in this country, many abroad would do anything to live their standard of life!

We are spoilt brats of the world.

I want to see the money go overseas and people here learn to appriciate what they have! We had a suicide in Bham because of a bedroom tax threat. Is that bad enough for you? Maybe,just maybe she would have lived if enough cash was here and spent not abroad. What do you thinK?

I think even if we had the money from foreign aid the current ideology would have still led to this suicide. It wasn't want of cash that caused her suicide it was the constant hammering on from government and the press that anyone claiming is a feckless and a scrounger.Totally wrong. She left a note saying is was the fact she was losing her home because of the bedrrom tax. Look it up in the Birmingham Mail.

"

Where did that fear come from? Ideology, the press ramping up the story and a nation baying that the undeserving poor are getting away with everything.

I'll say it really slowly this time. Foreign aid redirected here would not stop the current ideology of the undeserving poor. She did not kill herself because aid was given to other countries but because she was made to feel that she was going to lose her home by the press stories and a government rhetoric that says she was a bad person for having a spare room.

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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago

folkestone

Poverty is relative - what we think of as poverty in this country would be a good standard of living in some of the poorest countries.

As the question of giving aid - is there a proper audit trail of where the money/food/medicine goes?. In an ideal would we would think it goes to those in greatest need, but how do we know it doesn't go missing?. I believe the auditors at the European union refuse to sign off numerous years of accounts because it's such a mess, so what chance have we of knowing where it goes in a distant african country?

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay


"So we should all thank our lucky stars that we don't live in squalor? And thank the government for allowing us to keep a little of our wages? How much of our wages go in NI, Tax, and then the additional taxes on food, petrol and everything else? And we are supposed to feel grateful???"

What has that got to do with foreign aid?

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham


"No disrespect mate but you won't get much under a £100 a week here. That along with the bedroom tax leaves some people with 50 quid a week to live on. You think that's ok? I don't.

Funnily enough i do. I have to. "
Fantastic. You live on 50 quid a week? Well if you can do it and still access the internet do you think they are giving you too much cash to live on? Be faIR. iNTERNET ACCESS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A LUXURY ISN'T IT? oR ARE YOU FIBBING YOU DEVIL?LOL.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

C'mon folks.

There's no need for shouting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

perhaps if everyone channeling energy into arguing on here about where to put charity stopped and put £1 to a charity right now that would be a better way to use the time

just an observation

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By *livia_KWoman
over a year ago

South London


"So we should all thank our lucky stars that we don't live in squalor? And thank the government for allowing us to keep a little of our wages? How much of our wages go in NI, Tax, and then the additional taxes on food, petrol and everything else? And we are supposed to feel grateful???

I wondered how long it'd take the losing side to change the subject "

The complete lack of perspective some people have on here absolutely astounds me. As does the level of ignorance.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


".........

A lot of the aid this country gives is in the form of food and medicine. It has a monetary value (that's how budgets are constructed) but it doesn't mean it is sent as cash every where.

Exactly...also in the form of trade credits, equipment (often used equipment), assisted infrastructure projects where British companies get the contracts, military training, police training....all have a cash value even if no actual cash changes hands.

Exactly the point I endeavoured to make in the other, now closed, thread.

While we're at it, does anyone actually think the fact the Trussell Trust is expanding every week shows how well the UK is doing?

No, the expansion of Trussell is a very bad sign. My experience of them and their ethos is not to say letting others starve in the rest of the world is the answer though. Can't quite see your point.Hopefully you may expand.

There is no point in my expanding. I am by your assertion a liar. What I know of Trussell and it's work, by extension, must therefore be lies.

Lickety, your getting a bit silly now, we've heard you several times. One person being a liar or not, does not falsify all the work of an extraneoeous organisation. You know that all too well."

I'm not saying it does. I am saying that there is no point in ME expanding on anything as I will be accused of falsifying MY information. The post asked for me to expand, I declined.

My "silliness" comes from still being labelled a liar. Whether you have heard it enough or not.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Jacob Rees Mogg and Traditional Britain Group getting it in the goolies on BBC2 just now.

Worth watching.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So we should all thank our lucky stars that we don't live in squalor? And thank the government for allowing us to keep a little of our wages? How much of our wages go in NI, Tax, and then the additional taxes on food, petrol and everything else? And we are supposed to feel grateful???"

It gives us a good standard of living.. Medical care, education, care for the elderly and disabled etc.. So yh why should we not be grateful?

All we need to survive is food, water and shelter and we get so much more.. Entertainment, internet, tv, ice skating, swimming the list goes on and on

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham

BBC? Isn't that that the broadcaster that helped a paedophile and his mates for years? Good luck with that. I couldn't be so 2 faced.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"No disrespect mate but you won't get much under a £100 a week here. That along with the bedroom tax leaves some people with 50 quid a week to live on. You think that's ok? I don't.

Funnily enough i do. I have to. Fantastic. You live on 50 quid a week? Well if you can do it and still access the internet do you think they are giving you too much cash to live on? Be faIR. iNTERNET ACCESS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A LUXURY ISN'T IT? oR ARE YOU FIBBING YOU DEVIL?LOL."

Internet access is not considered a luxury anymore. Those receiving Universal Credit have to do this by internet. Developing countries have to have internet access to function too. JCP will even issue phones if necessary in order to be able to keep in touch with people on their terms.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree with the poster 100%, we need the money here.

NHS, schools, elderly and disabled, care in the community the list is endless.

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham

Those receiving Universal Credit get it by internet? Where did you read this? Garbage. Not in a million years.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay


"I agree with the poster 100%, we need the money here.

NHS, schools, elderly and disabled, care in the community the list is endless.

"

All of those have enormous budgets already.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So we should all thank our lucky stars that we don't live in squalor? And thank the government for allowing us to keep a little of our wages? How much of our wages go in NI, Tax, and then the additional taxes on food, petrol and everything else? And we are supposed to feel grateful???

It gives us a good standard of living.. Medical care, education, care for the elderly and disabled etc.. So yh why should we not be grateful?

All we need to survive is food, water and shelter and we get so much more.. Entertainment, internet, tv, ice skating, swimming the list goes on and on"

WE give ourselves a good standard of living. Why the hell should I be grateful for something that I have paid over the odds for?

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham


"I agree with the poster 100%, we need the money here.

NHS, schools, elderly and disabled, care in the community the list is endless.

All of those have enormous budgets already....."
Ok if they do the then why are they failing so badly? Not cash then.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay


"I agree with the poster 100%, we need the money here.

NHS, schools, elderly and disabled, care in the community the list is endless.

All of those have enormous budgets already..... Ok if they do the then why are they failing so badly? Not cash then."

Not everything can be solved with money, it often has more to do with planning and management.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

personally I think money in this country should stay in this country, there are many areas here that could do with extra funding, when our country is sorted out by all means send any excess elsewhere but until then lets sort ourselves out first

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham

Now we have it folks. The necessary essentials have huge budgets. Why do I keep hearing the NHS is short of funds then? Nice to know the nhS NEEDS NO MORE CASH.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So we should all thank our lucky stars that we don't live in squalor? And thank the government for allowing us to keep a little of our wages? How much of our wages go in NI, Tax, and then the additional taxes on food, petrol and everything else? And we are supposed to feel grateful???

It gives us a good standard of living.. Medical care, education, care for the elderly and disabled etc.. So yh why should we not be grateful?

All we need to survive is food, water and shelter and we get so much more.. Entertainment, internet, tv, ice skating, swimming the list goes on and on

WE give ourselves a good standard of living. Why the hell should I be grateful for something that I have paid over the odds for?"

You would rather have no money, live in a shack with no sanatry or water or electricity, have what little you earn not cover food for your family? Have the people who employ you exploit you?

Live your life for one day in someone elses shoes and you would be very grateful for what you have here..

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Those receiving Universal Credit get it by internet? Where did you read this? Garbage. Not in a million years. "

You have to show your job searches and claims by internet. If you are self employed and claiming ESA you have to show your monthly earnings by submitting a monthly internet return. I didn't read it. I attended a workshop on how advice agencies could help people with their claims. I listened to the Federation of Sub-Postmasters and their concerns about how moving everything to the internet would affect their business and how the older people in their communities might struggle with the technology. I met with CapGemini on their e-gov roll out a few years ago and how this could be implemented.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay


"Now we have it folks. The necessary essentials have huge budgets. Why do I keep hearing the NHS is short of funds then? Nice to know the nhS NEEDS NO MORE CASH."

Why are you always so dramatic?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Those receiving Universal Credit get it by internet? Where did you read this? Garbage. Not in a million years. "

That should read 'Those receiving Universal Credit claim it by internet'.

Just certain postcodes for now but online applications for those postcodes.

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham

Let's keep it simple shall we? Would you spend money on other people's children rather than your own? Not about if your kids were starving but if they had enough clothes and food. OK. The real question. Did you send the money abroad?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"I agree with the poster 100%, we need the money here.

NHS, schools, elderly and disabled, care in the community the list is endless.

All of those have enormous budgets already....."

Not enormous enough. Just today Cameron had to announce another £500,000,000 for some A&E departments.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Now we have it folks. The necessary essentials have huge budgets. Why do I keep hearing the NHS is short of funds then? Nice to know the nhS NEEDS NO MORE CASH."

The A&E crisis wasn't a crisis, according to the minister as everything is on target and working well. An extra £500m has now been announced by this government to deal with the crisis on A&E.

How money is deployed is not an insignificant factor. Withholding it until there is a crisis and then shoving cash at it to fix a crisis is not efficient or effective.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Let's keep it simple shall we? Would you spend money on other people's children rather than your own? Not about if your kids were starving but if they had enough clothes and food. OK. The real question. Did you send the money abroad?"

Try to grasp the truth. It ain't money.

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham


"Those receiving Universal Credit get it by internet? Where did you read this? Garbage. Not in a million years.

That should read 'Those receiving Universal Credit claim it by internet'.

Just certain postcodes for now but online applications for those postcodes."
Lessens it's intended impact though hasn't it?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Those receiving Universal Credit get it by internet? Where did you read this? Garbage. Not in a million years.

That should read 'Those receiving Universal Credit claim it by internet'.

Just certain postcodes for now but online applications for those postcodes.

Lessens it's intended impact though hasn't it?"

Nope.

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham


"Let's keep it simple shall we? Would you spend money on other people's children rather than your own? Not about if your kids were starving but if they had enough clothes and food. OK. The real question. Did you send the money abroad?

Try to grasp the truth. It ain't money."
Well please enlighten me. If it's not about cash why not scrap it? it can't make any difference can it?

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay


"I agree with the poster 100%, we need the money here.

NHS, schools, elderly and disabled, care in the community the list is endless.

All of those have enormous budgets already.....

Not enormous enough. Just today Cameron had to announce another £500,000,000 for some A&E departments."

He is throwing money at it because it makes good front page news, tickling the belly of the electorate.

When the Royal College of Surgeons are saying that A&E needs good management from the (very) top and not via a cheque book.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No disrespect mate but you won't get much under a £100 a week here. That along with the bedroom tax leaves some people with 50 quid a week to live on. You think that's ok? I don't.

Funnily enough i do. I have to. Fantastic. You live on 50 quid a week? Well if you can do it and still access the internet do you think they are giving you too much cash to live on? Be faIR. iNTERNET ACCESS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A LUXURY ISN'T IT? oR ARE YOU FIBBING YOU DEVIL?LOL."

Fibbing? Is that one step less than lying? Lol

No way, everything i read on here is Ms Gods honest gospel truth.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Those receiving Universal Credit get it by internet? Where did you read this? Garbage. Not in a million years.

That should read 'Those receiving Universal Credit claim it by internet'.

Just certain postcodes for now but online applications for those postcodes.Lessens it's intended impact though hasn't it?"

When it is rolled out across the whole country it will have an enormous impact. It already is in the areas where the roll out has begun.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


".........

A lot of the aid this country gives is in the form of food and medicine. It has a monetary value (that's how budgets are constructed) but it doesn't mean it is sent as cash every where.

Exactly...also in the form of trade credits, equipment (often used equipment), assisted infrastructure projects where British companies get the contracts, military training, police training....all have a cash value even if no actual cash changes hands.

Exactly the point I endeavoured to make in the other, now closed, thread.

While we're at it, does anyone actually think the fact the Trussell Trust is expanding every week shows how well the UK is doing?

No, the expansion of Trussell is a very bad sign. My experience of them and their ethos is not to say letting others starve in the rest of the world is the answer though. Can't quite see your point.Hopefully you may expand.

There is no point in my expanding. I am by your assertion a liar.

I'm not saying it does. "

Yes you are. Look :

Quote :What I know of Trussell and it's work, by extension, must therefore be lies. Unquote.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"..........

Not enormous enough. Just today Cameron had to announce another £500,000,000 for some A&E departments.

He is throwing money at it because it makes good front page news, tickling the belly of the electorate. "

There's not an election planned within the average punter's memory.


"When the Royal College of Surgeons are saying that A&E needs good management from the (very) top and not via a cheque book."

They would say that, wouldn't they.

The truly scary bit is that Cameron is making A&E units compete for the money - fill out pages and pages or reasons why they should get it and the A&E next door shouldn't.

How much will that cost?

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By *obbyggg OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham

Can you please give evidence of this hardship please? Otherwise it's just hearsay isn't it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"BBC? Isn't that that the broadcaster that helped a paedophile and his mates for years? Good luck with that. I couldn't be so 2 faced. "

Just the one? I seem to remember that Its A Knockout was also on the BBC. Or i may be fibbing.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay


"..........

Not enormous enough. Just today Cameron had to announce another £500,000,000 for some A&E departments.

He is throwing money at it because it makes good front page news, tickling the belly of the electorate.

There's not an election planned within the average punter's memory.

When the Royal College of Surgeons are saying that A&E needs good management from the (very) top and not via a cheque book.

They would say that, wouldn't they.

The truly scary bit is that Cameron is making A&E units compete for the money - fill out pages and pages or reasons why they should get it and the A&E next door shouldn't.

How much will that cost?"

I think they meant a change of Prime Minister when they said good management from the (very) top to be honest, he is mismanaging the NHS, maybe intentionally.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Here's some perspective for yous all.

Adam Scott, multimillionaire and major winner, is tied for first place in the US PGA and would win another $1,6m or so if he should finish first on Sunday evening.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So we should all thank our lucky stars that we don't live in squalor? And thank the government for allowing us to keep a little of our wages? How much of our wages go in NI, Tax, and then the additional taxes on food, petrol and everything else? And we are supposed to feel grateful???

It gives us a good standard of living.. Medical care, education, care for the elderly and disabled etc.. So yh why should we not be grateful?

All we need to survive is food, water and shelter and we get so much more.. Entertainment, internet, tv, ice skating, swimming the list goes on and on

WE give ourselves a good standard of living. Why the hell should I be grateful for something that I have paid over the odds for?

You would rather have no money, live in a shack with no sanatry or water or electricity, have what little you earn not cover food for your family? Have the people who employ you exploit you?

Live your life for one day in someone elses shoes and you would be very grateful for what you have here.."

It's that thinking that keeps the poor poor.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not arsed. Tax is tax wherever it goes.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"

Here's some perspective for yous all.

Adam Scott, multimillionaire and major winner, is tied for first place in the US PGA and would win another $1,6m or so if he should finish first on Sunday evening.

"

Well, the ladies just love a man who finishes first

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


".........

A lot of the aid this country gives is in the form of food and medicine. It has a monetary value (that's how budgets are constructed) but it doesn't mean it is sent as cash every where.

Exactly...also in the form of trade credits, equipment (often used equipment), assisted infrastructure projects where British companies get the contracts, military training, police training....all have a cash value even if no actual cash changes hands.

Exactly the point I endeavoured to make in the other, now closed, thread.

While we're at it, does anyone actually think the fact the Trussell Trust is expanding every week shows how well the UK is doing?

No, the expansion of Trussell is a very bad sign. My experience of them and their ethos is not to say letting others starve in the rest of the world is the answer though. Can't quite see your point.Hopefully you may expand.

There is no point in my expanding. I am by your assertion a liar.

I'm not saying it does.

Yes you are. Look :

Quote :What I know of Trussell and it's work, by extension, must therefore be lies. Unquote.

"

As I said, I declined to expand because what I know may be deemed as lies. I mentioned the Trussell Trust earlier in the thread and if people want to know more about them they can look them up. Me saying anything about them will be pulled apart by people on this thread accusing me of lying and being silly.

Attack my posts without the personal attacks on me and I might stop being "silly".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So we should all thank our lucky stars that we don't live in squalor? And thank the government for allowing us to keep a little of our wages? How much of our wages go in NI, Tax, and then the additional taxes on food, petrol and everything else? And we are supposed to feel grateful???

It gives us a good standard of living.. Medical care, education, care for the elderly and disabled etc.. So yh why should we not be grateful?

All we need to survive is food, water and shelter and we get so much more.. Entertainment, internet, tv, ice skating, swimming the list goes on and on

WE give ourselves a good standard of living. Why the hell should I be grateful for something that I have paid over the odds for?

You would rather have no money, live in a shack with no sanatry or water or electricity, have what little you earn not cover food for your family? Have the people who employ you exploit you?

Live your life for one day in someone elses shoes and you would be very grateful for what you have here..

It's that thinking that keeps the poor poor."

I can see this argument from both sides, but, and i'm sorry if I offend anyone here, I work to provide for my own children not other peoples, if that makes me a bad person so be it

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"..........

Not enormous enough. Just today Cameron had to announce another £500,000,000 for some A&E departments.

He is throwing money at it because it makes good front page news, tickling the belly of the electorate.

There's not an election planned within the average punter's memory.

When the Royal College of Surgeons are saying that A&E needs good management from the (very) top and not via a cheque book.

They would say that, wouldn't they.

The truly scary bit is that Cameron is making A&E units compete for the money - fill out pages and pages or reasons why they should get it and the A&E next door shouldn't.

How much will that cost?"

Another example of poor deployment of the funds.

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By *livia_KWoman
over a year ago

South London

I am so glad this thread is about to close...

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By *emanandsheraCouple
over a year ago

castle Greyskull

would love 2 of got in this thread earlier and now cant be bothered 2 read all the posts. but just 2 give my 2p ov dole money. we're all equal and we feel very lucky/thankful that me and our kids were born in this country coz its wrong that so many children die each day coz they havent got the basic needs and rights that every human being should have..we dont know how lucky we are! d*unken rant over!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


".......

I can see this argument from both sides, but, and i'm sorry if I offend anyone here, I work to provide for my own children not other peoples, if that makes me a bad person so be it "

It only makes you a bad person if 'you' think it does.

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By *emanandsheraCouple
over a year ago

castle Greyskull

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