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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

was begun as solely an animal welfare charity and receives millions of pounds in donations every year.

They are now running a close 2nd to the CPS in bringing criminal prosecutions in the UK, thereby using a huge sum of those donations in the process.

Their own figures state that they spent £8.7 million last year in bringing cases to court.

Last year they spent over £300,000 bringing the Heythorp hunt to court. IN comparison, the cost of the defence was less than £20,000

Is this willingness to spend so much of the donations made in keeping with their duty of prudence as a charity and is it right that they should spend so much?

Last year they spent over £300,000 bringing the Heythorp hunt to court. IN comparison, the cost of the defence was less than £20,000

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

It sometimes appears that, far from eliminating the thing they were set up to stop, the main purpose of some charities is to keep themselves going.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It might be better to ask why the CPS is not prosecuting the cases that the RSPCA feels it has to.

By it's name it, you would assume that it's goal is to prevent cruelty to animals, by prosecuting these people it could be said that they are fulfilling that role.

They could be trying to send a message to people that are cruel to animals that even if the CPS is willing to ignore their activities that they won't.

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By *hyllyphyllyMan
over a year ago

Bradford

The RSPCA should be a government department, but hey ho.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As much as I love animals and have quite a few. I stopped donating to the RSPCA a few years ago. The people on the ground and in the shelters do an excellent job. It's a pity the suits in the offices don't do the same.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because the CPS is already on its arse with the caseload its got - it couldnt handle the extra workload.

Perhaps the answer is to give the RSPCA more legal powers to enforce, control, and ban WITHOUT needing to go through the lengthy court cases, backed up by the local Po-Po as and when required?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would consider myself an animal lover and I hate the RSPCA the little good they do is hugely overshadowed by the monstrous fuckups they make. Not a charity I would ever support

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hunting isn't cruel so Rspca had no right to spend that amount of money, 2 senior directors of rspca are paying members of the Quorn hunt, and also drag hounds, and yes your donations are paying that subscription as donations pay their wages

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

prosecutions are not the way to stop animal abuse, its education that brings changes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hunting isn't cruel so Rspca had no right to spend that amount of money, 2 senior directors of rspca are paying members of the Quorn hunt, and also drag hounds, and yes your donations are paying that subscription as donations pay their wages"

Tell that to the foxes...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

cruelty on a mass scale happens every day and most of you are responsible by buying meat and meat products,

not to mention milk and caged eggs, when you put your own house in order, then maybe you can have opinions about cruelty

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"prosecutions are not the way to stop animal abuse, its education that brings changes"

Some people don't want to be educated though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hunting isn't cruel?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hunting does 4 things, manages the countryside, controls the numbers of foxes ( alternative is shooting or gassing) which is horrific

gives employment to many thousands,

brings much needed cash into the agricultural community

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside


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not to mention milk and caged eggs, when you put your own house in order, then maybe you can have opinions about cruelty"

I'm quite careful and gentle when I put the milk in my fridge and keep my eggs in the wee tray in the top of the fridge not cages!

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By *ancatMan
over a year ago

Norwich

Hunting for sport is out dated and cruel,

But hunting for food is a different matter.and if peaple just looked after there animals in the first place we would not have the Nead for charities like the rspca .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hunting does 4 things, manages the countryside, controls the numbers of foxes ( alternative is shooting or gassing) which is horrific

gives employment to many thousands,

brings much needed cash into the agricultural community"

I know very little about fox hunting, how many foxes would a hunt have caught in a days hunting and approximately how many dogs would have been used?

How does it manage the countryside?

Do the hunt pay the farmers? I though the EU subsidies brought much needed cash to the agricultural community.

Personally if being given the choice of how I had to die, I think I would prefer shooting before gassing before being torn apart by dogs after being chased miles across the countryside by said dogs, luckily I don't have a tail to chop off so all the posh people could blood the newbies. Just saying.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

not to mention milk and caged eggs, when you put your own house in order, then maybe you can have opinions about cruelty

I'm quite careful and gentle when I put the milk in my fridge and keep my eggs in the wee tray in the top of the fridge not cages! "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hunting does 4 things, manages the countryside, controls the numbers of foxes ( alternative is shooting or gassing) which is horrific

gives employment to many thousands,

brings much needed cash into the agricultural community"

Nothing in this statement tells me how hunting isn't cruel, just how it benefits humans.....?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hunting isn't cruel? "

Depends on what you consider as hunting.

I hunt most game animals, I also eat what I shoot and have appropriate equipment to ensure whatever I'm hunting doesn't suffer unnecessarily.

Hunting with hounds, however, is cruel but was a tradition in rural England and gave many people work, that being said, I'm glad it was outlawed as I've witnessed some disgraceful behavior by members of the Quorn hunt over the years. That being said, I know that some of its more diehard members still break the new regulations on a regular basis...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

hunts pay farmers to use their land, and maintain fences etc, if you have seen a fox that was shot, but not killed and left to die alone and scared in agony, dogs are natural hunters and a kill takes maybe 10 seconds if that,

I am no expert but have always lived surrounded by horses dogs and the country side.

the idea that it is for rich spoilt brats is from fairy tales not reality,

when u buy a chicken at the weekend, think for a minute what it has been through, so u can afford it,

beaks removed, feathers cut off, de clawed, kept in the dark, force fed so it gains wait in the 12 weeks,it is alive pumped full of antibiotics, so we get cancer. without seeing daylight,then hooked by its legs, throat cut if its lucky, into boiling water, .

and if your happy to pay £3.99 to enable all that suffering, then maybe you can talk about you know nothing about

and we are talking 2 million chickens kept and killed like that in the uk every year,

in fact you can watch the process on youtube, if you have the guts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Life is cruel, but each and everyone can change things, just don't support cruelty by buying meat, unless you raise it, care for it and kill it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I eat free range only. I'm well aware of the cruelty that is inflicted on the battery chickens and wouldn't buy them.

Still doesn't answer why hunting isn't cruel though?!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am not here to educate people, just share my opinions based on 40 years dealing with animals plenty of info if you google it, I certainly wouldn't want to try and convince anyone of anything.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I eat free range only. I'm well aware of the cruelty that is inflicted on the battery chickens and wouldn't buy them.

Still doesn't answer why hunting isn't cruel though?!! "

Animals that are correctly hunted have a fair chance of escape and a good hunter will kill an animal quickly and as painlessly as possible, its something we take a great deal if pride in.

We also won't kill females with young and only shoot mature animals and only small numbers (unless its a pest species such as rabbit or pigeon). Farmed animals don't often have that luxury, just visit an abattoir...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hunting isn't cruel so Rspca had no right to spend that amount of money, 2 senior directors of rspca are paying members of the Quorn hunt, and also drag hounds, and yes your donations are paying that subscription as donations pay their wages"

how on earth can you say hunting is not cruel?????

have you ever witnessed an exhausted fox being ripped to pieces by a pack of slavering hounds????

I think not!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I eat free range only. I'm well aware of the cruelty that is inflicted on the battery chickens and wouldn't buy them.

Still doesn't answer why hunting isn't cruel though?!!

Animals that are correctly hunted have a fair chance of escape and a good hunter will kill an animal quickly and as painlessly as possible, its something we take a great deal if pride in.

We also won't kill females with young and only shoot mature animals and only small numbers (unless its a pest species such as rabbit or pigeon). Farmed animals don't often have that luxury, just visit an abattoir..."

take it you are involved with a Hunt then???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

several times, a dog will kill a hare, rabbit fox in 10 seconds, its a natural ending, no death is a pretty site, but it is life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I eat free range only. I'm well aware of the cruelty that is inflicted on the battery chickens and wouldn't buy them.

Still doesn't answer why hunting isn't cruel though?!!

Animals that are correctly hunted have a fair chance of escape and a good hunter will kill an animal quickly and as painlessly as possible, its something we take a great deal if pride in.

We also won't kill females with young and only shoot mature animals and only small numbers (unless its a pest species such as rabbit or pigeon). Farmed animals don't often have that luxury, just visit an abattoir...

take it you are involved with a Hunt then???"

Nope, I said earlier that I'm glad fox hunting with hounds was outlawed. I also said that the behavior of some members of the Quorn hunt was disgusting, both before and after the ban.

I'm strictly a wild game hunter, I also donate to several animal welfare and countryside charities.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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not to mention milk and caged eggs, when you put your own house in order, then maybe you can have opinions about cruelty

I'm quite careful and gentle when I put the milk in my fridge and keep my eggs in the wee tray in the top of the fridge not cages! "

Just read the other day that doesn't make a difference keeping eggs in the fridge and when you think of it you don't get them from a refrigerated cabinet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

not to mention milk and caged eggs, when you put your own house in order, then maybe you can have opinions about cruelty

I'm quite careful and gentle when I put the milk in my fridge and keep my eggs in the wee tray in the top of the fridge not cages!

Just read the other day that doesn't make a difference keeping eggs in the fridge and when you think of it you don't get them from a refrigerated cabinet. "

Actually not a great idea to keep them in the fridge at all, eggs have a porous shell and can easily be tainted by other things in their close space in a potentially moist enviroment

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside


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not to mention milk and caged eggs, when you put your own house in order, then maybe you can have opinions about cruelty

I'm quite careful and gentle when I put the milk in my fridge and keep my eggs in the wee tray in the top of the fridge not cages!

Just read the other day that doesn't make a difference keeping eggs in the fridge and when you think of it you don't get them from a refrigerated cabinet. "

My wee egg tray would be empty though if I didn't keep them in it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

eggs have pourous shells and don't keep well in a damp place like a fridge, much better in your pantry or dairy on a marble counter top, next to the cheese x

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside


"eggs have pourous shells and don't keep well in a damp place like a fridge, much better in your pantry or dairy on a marble counter top, next to the cheese x"

Don't have a pantry or marble counter tops so I'll keep keeping them in the fridge but cheers for your concern for my eggs!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Omg, next you will tell us you don't have staff

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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago

Falkirk


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not to mention milk and caged eggs, when you put your own house in order, then maybe you can have opinions about cruelty

I'm quite careful and gentle when I put the milk in my fridge and keep my eggs in the wee tray in the top of the fridge not cages! "

OH MY GOD!! You cruel person!!! Never keep eggs in the fridge!!!! You don't buy them in a chilled cabinet do you???

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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

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By *ndykayMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

As someone who grew up in a town but spent a lot of time in the countryside farming with family, I never had a problem with hunting as a way to keep pest numbers down, that being said, I didn't have a problem with hunts being banned from hunting foxes either.

If you are hunting your food, killing it and eating it, that to me shows that you have respect for that animal as you will want to kill it as quickly and humanely as possible

As for abattoirs, I've been in a couple and yes it's not a pretty sight, but again, these guys (and a few ladies) try to do their job with the least amount of stress for the animals. The animals were bred for their meat, if they weren't sent for slaughter, they wouldn't have been alive in the first place - harsh I know but true

As for the RSPCA, yes they do good work, but the seem to have got too big and lost their way.

This is, of course, just my humble two-penneth and I don't expect anyone to agree with me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As someone who grew up in a town but spent a lot of time in the countryside farming with family, I never had a problem with hunting as a way to keep pest numbers down, that being said, I didn't have a problem with hunts being banned from hunting foxes either.

If you are hunting your food, killing it and eating it, that to me shows that you have respect for that animal as you will want to kill it as quickly and humanely as possible

As for abattoirs, I've been in a couple and yes it's not a pretty sight, but again, these guys (and a few ladies) try to do their job with the least amount of stress for the animals. The animals were bred for their meat, if they weren't sent for slaughter, they wouldn't have been alive in the first place - harsh I know but true

As for the RSPCA, yes they do good work, but the seem to have got too big and lost their way.

This is, of course, just my humble two-penneth and I don't expect anyone to agree with me "

I keep sheep and have to take my male lambs for slaughter, I hate doing it, but as said above something that has to be done

I take them to a small slaughter house where they only kill a small amount once a week, so I know they are not waiting hours to die and I trust the slaughter men to do a good compassionate job, with no abuse!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wish I could be vegetarian but unfortunately like my meat too much if animals are killed as painlessly as possible then it's not as bad.

For the inhumane hunting of ripping foxes apart, well it's barbaric and disgusting. Everyone is entitled to their opinions but I really don't get this 'game.' I think it would be more fun if the foxes attacked the hunters instead.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

if god didnt want us to eat meat he wouldnt of made cows taste like a bigmac or a pig taste like bacon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well depends on whether you like bacon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The RSPCA should be a government department, but hey ho."
Excellent Idea!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"was begun as solely an animal welfare charity and receives millions of pounds in donations every year.

They are now running a close 2nd to the CPS in bringing criminal prosecutions in the UK, thereby using a huge sum of those donations in the process.

Their own figures state that they spent £8.7 million last year in bringing cases to court.

Last year they spent over £300,000 bringing the Heythorp hunt to court. IN comparison, the cost of the defence was less than £20,000

Is this willingness to spend so much of the donations made in keeping with their duty of prudence as a charity and is it right that they should spend so much?

Last year they spent over £300,000 bringing the Heythorp hunt to court. IN comparison, the cost of the defence was less than £20,000"

If you're that arsed don't give them money. Better still set up your own charity?

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby


"Hunting isn't cruel so Rspca had no right to spend that amount of money, 2 senior directors of rspca are paying members of the Quorn hunt, and also drag hounds, and yes your donations are paying that subscription as donations pay their wages"

If hunting is not cruel I assume you will be happy to be chased across fields by dogs who want to rip you apart all for the pleasure of some ignorant f**kwits?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hunting isn't cruel so Rspca had no right to spend that amount of money, 2 senior directors of rspca are paying members of the Quorn hunt, and also drag hounds, and yes your donations are paying that subscription as donations pay their wages

If hunting is not cruel I assume you will be happy to be chased across fields by dogs who want to rip you apart all for the pleasure of some ignorant f**kwits?"

you could just join the HSA and get kicked to fook by the hunts foot followers in their 4x4s

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hunting isn't cruel so Rspca had no right to spend that amount of money, 2 senior directors of rspca are paying members of the Quorn hunt, and also drag hounds, and yes your donations are paying that subscription as donations pay their wages

If hunting is not cruel I assume you will be happy to be chased across fields by dogs who want to rip you apart all for the pleasure of some ignorant f**kwits?"

you could just join the HSA and get kicked to fook by the hunts foot followers in their 4x4s

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


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Last year they spent over £300,000 bringing the Heythorp hunt to court. IN comparison, the cost of the defence was less than £20,000

Is this willingness to spend so much of the donations made in keeping with their duty of prudence as a charity and is it right that they should spend so much?

"

Whilst they continue to pay their Chief Executive £160,000 a year?

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By *ngieandMrManCouple
over a year ago

hereford

Apparently...

The RSPCA only prosecute in civil court because he with the most resources wins. In most cases the CPS would not proceed because of lack of evidence, neither would the police investigate to gain evidence.

The RSPCA are manic so-called animal rights extremists and always have been.

Their uniforms are carefully designed such that they are not quite, on technicalities 'impersonation a police officer'. This is done with the intent of intimidating the public and misleading the public into thinking they have some authority. In fact they have no authority whatsoever.

Apparently the RSPCA run their own chicken and pork production factories which 'apparently' fall well short of the required standards.

1000's of animals are taken by the RSPCA by interim court order and placed in commercial animal centers where the owner has no rights to visit the animal(s). The commercial contracts go to the lowest bidder and may not meet minimum care standards.

Apparently they spend something like 60% of their income on court fees/prosecutions.

The RSPCA has also been criticised by the Vetenary authorities for premature neutering of kittens and puppies which prevents the animals from maturing into adults having cut off hormone development.

Apparently...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hunting does 4 things, manages the countryside, controls the numbers of foxes ( alternative is shooting or gassing) which is horrific

gives employment to many thousands,

brings much needed cash into the agricultural community"

I wouldn't think being torn apart by a group of dogs preferably to being shot or gassed

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"The RSPCA - A law unto itself?

Duration: 26 minutes

First broadcast: Wednesday 07 August 2013

For almost 200 years, the RSPCA has been the nation's conscience on animal welfare. The UK's biggest animal charity has also been in the forefront when it comes to enforcing decent standards of animal care. But more recently questions are being asked about how the organisation is changing.

There are claims that it is too quick to prosecute vulnerable people - the elderly, people with mental health issues or mobility problems - rather than advising them or helping them better look after their pets. Some never get over the shock of being raided by the police and RSPCA - even if they're later completely cleared of any wrongdoing. They suspect that front page coverage of RSPCA raids may be at least partly motivated by a desire for donation-boosting publicity.

And vets and lawyers claim to have been unfairly targeted because they've stood up against the RSPCA in court.

Face the Facts investigates how the RSPCA is changing and whether it is in danger of losing its way."

BBC iPlayer for a few days still.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hunting does 4 things, manages the countryside, controls the numbers of foxes ( alternative is shooting or gassing) which is horrific

gives employment to many thousands,

brings much needed cash into the agricultural community"
well said

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