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By *kywatcher OP   Man
over a year ago

Southwick

Two pieces of news in today's headlines:

1. Proposed changes to laws regarding dogs that kill...at present the maximum sentence is two years but a life sentence is being considered.

2. Two boys aged 5 and 7 were thought to have been killed by a python that escaped from a pet store in New Brunswick Canada and made it's way through the ventilation system into the flat above where the boys were sleeping.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Two pieces of news in today's headlines:

1. Proposed changes to laws regarding dogs that kill...at present the maximum sentence is two years but a life sentence is being considered.

2. Two boys aged 5 and 7 were thought to have been killed by a python that escaped from a pet store in New Brunswick Canada and made it's way through the ventilation system into the flat above where the boys were sleeping. "

I think a prison sentence is being considered rather than a 'life' sentence.

I am uneasy about the snake story.

I heard it early this morning but I need to know more.... seems so strange that a rock python could crush two boys together.

Awful news.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Wow .... it does say LIFE sentence if the dog kills someone ...

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By *ornieandhotCouple
over a year ago

Peterborough

As a reptile keeper myself I found that story so sad

We are all responsible for our pets be they cats,dogs or 20ft snakes

Sadly it will only cause more propaganda against responsible keepers like myself

D x

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By *quirrelMan
over a year ago

East Manchester

The problem in this country is that despite all the announcements of reviewing the laws and the penalty for breaking them is that when the eventual decision is made the new penalty is always well short of what they announced it could be when the laws were being reviewed.

My prediction is that the law will be reviewed and the max sentence will be doubled to 4 years, given that the law says a third reduction on sentence is to be given if a defendant pleads guilty then its likely that someone whose "pet" kills someone will only serve 12 months if they get the max sentence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Very sad about the two young boys. I thought I'd miss heard the newsreader this morning. Very strange occurence

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Reptiles are wild animals though aren't they? You can't train a reptile as far as I'm aware.

A dog can be trained as a weapon, as the police use this weapon themselves we know this to be true. A police dog escaped it's handler a few months ago and bit quite a few people.

I think the life sentence being bandied about now is aimed at this type of owner, the one that trains their dog to be aggressive to others.

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By *kywatcher OP   Man
over a year ago

Southwick


"Reptiles are wild animals though aren't they? You can't train a reptile as far as I'm aware.

A dog can be trained as a weapon, as the police use this weapon themselves we know this to be true. A police dog escaped it's handler a few months ago and bit quite a few people.

I think the life sentence being bandied about now is aimed at this type of owner, the one that trains their dog to be aggressive to others.

"

The two items of news are not related by responsibility of the owner as to it's behaviour....though it could be!!

With regard to the reptile...the thread title 'Pets..... who'd have them?'...why would anyone want to keep a python as a 'pet'..a creature that should live in it's natural habitat....that can grow to 20' and can attack antelope and crocodiles.

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent


"Reptiles are wild animals though aren't they? You can't train a reptile as far as I'm aware.

A dog can be trained as a weapon, as the police use this weapon themselves we know this to be true. A police dog escaped it's handler a few months ago and bit quite a few people.

I think the life sentence being bandied about now is aimed at this type of owner, the one that trains their dog to be aggressive to others.

The two items of news are not related by responsibility of the owner as to it's behaviour....though it could be!!

With regard to the reptile...the thread title 'Pets..... who'd have them?'...why would anyone want to keep a python as a 'pet'..a creature that should live in it's natural habitat....that can grow to 20' and can attack antelope and crocodiles. "

It was being kept as a pet at the pet shop tho. Not at home. The local rep shop to me has a reticulated python that he won't sell. He's had it since it was hatched. Snakes are fascinating creatures and if handled and kept correctly should never cause any serious harm. It's the pet shops owners fault for not securing the animal properly.

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By *ornieandhotCouple
over a year ago

Peterborough

I work with and keep reptiles and have for many years

I only have the upmost respect for them

They are beautiful fascinating animals

And as for training yes some can be

One of my monitor lizards is more like a dog he evens plays fetch lol

D x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"why would anyone want to keep a python as a 'pet'..a creature that should live in it's natural habitat....that can grow to 20' and can attack antelope and crocodiles. "

Not me, snakes freak me out, even little ones ha ha

I do have a Staffordshire bull terrier though. I quite regularly have people pick their dogs up or even turn around and leave when they see us in a field. He would be more likely to try and lick them to death than anything else.

The only problem I've had with him was when he had a pitbull by the throat, The pitbull attacked and bit him so he defended himself, if a dog barks or goes for him he thinks it's a game of chase and runs away.

I think the only thing that would cause him to bite a person would be if that person was attacking me, he wasn't too impressed when a friends daughter started play fighting with me, he didn't bite her as we stopped when he started to get agitated.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having been the owner of some odd pets in the past, I do consider that I am responsible for them, and to a certain extent, their actions. It is down to me to ensure they are under control and to ensure that I have taken all reasonable steps to make them safe to members of the public when I am out with them, or when I am out of the house.

I cannot take precautions against the idiots (and there are always 1 or 2) that ignore all of the warnings and think that they have the right to approach my animals with reckless abandon... their hands waving around and cooing recklessy

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent


"Having been the owner of some odd pets in the past, I do consider that I am responsible for them, and to a certain extent, their actions. It is down to me to ensure they are under control and to ensure that I have taken all reasonable steps to make them safe to members of the public when I am out with them, or when I am out of the house.

I cannot take precautions against the idiots (and there are always 1 or 2) that ignore all of the warnings and think that they have the right to approach my animals with reckless abandon... their hands waving around and cooing recklessy"

What 'odd pets' did you own? X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Reptiles are wild animals though aren't they? You can't train a reptile as far as I'm aware.

A dog can be trained as a weapon, as the police use this weapon themselves we know this to be true. A police dog escaped it's handler a few months ago and bit quite a few people.

I think the life sentence being bandied about now is aimed at this type of owner, the one that trains their dog to be aggressive to others.

The two items of news are not related by responsibility of the owner as to it's behaviour....though it could be!!

With regard to the reptile...the thread title 'Pets..... who'd have them?'...why would anyone want to keep a python as a 'pet'..a creature that should live in it's natural habitat....that can grow to 20' and can attack antelope and crocodiles.

It was being kept as a pet at the pet shop tho. Not at home. The local rep shop to me has a reticulated python that he won't sell. He's had it since it was hatched. Snakes are fascinating creatures and if handled and kept correctly should never cause any serious harm. It's the pet shops owners fault for not securing the animal properly. "

A place in Plymouth has some lizards that are bigger than my dog. They take up most of the upper floor of the shop and are pretty much a display item as opposed to being sold.

Reptiles certainly seem to be a increasing popular type of animal to be kept as a pet. They are not as easy to keep as some people think, a friend bought an iguana and it wasn't until I read up about it that he knew that they are quite difficult to look after, it died.

With reference to the snake in Canada, why was the air con/ ventilation system still connected? Easy to say with hindsight, easy to pick up with risk assessment. Even Zoo's lose animals occasionally.

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By *kywatcher OP   Man
over a year ago

Southwick


"Reptiles are wild animals though aren't they? You can't train a reptile as far as I'm aware.

A dog can be trained as a weapon, as the police use this weapon themselves we know this to be true. A police dog escaped it's handler a few months ago and bit quite a few people.

I think the life sentence being bandied about now is aimed at this type of owner, the one that trains their dog to be aggressive to others.

The two items of news are not related by responsibility of the owner as to it's behaviour....though it could be!!

With regard to the reptile...the thread title 'Pets..... who'd have them?'...why would anyone want to keep a python as a 'pet'..a creature that should live in it's natural habitat....that can grow to 20' and can attack antelope and crocodiles.

It was being kept as a pet at the pet shop tho. Not at home. The local rep shop to me has a reticulated python that he won't sell. He's had it since it was hatched. Snakes are fascinating creatures and if handled and kept correctly should never cause any serious harm. It's the pet shops owners fault for not securing the animal properly. "

I am aware that it was at a pet store as that is what I stated in the OP. Whether it was for sale or not it's being kept in conditions that are not it's natural habitat.

I guess it's down to the vanity of the 'owner' to keep such an animal in what is effectively a cage.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Having been the owner of some odd pets in the past, I do consider that I am responsible for them, and to a certain extent, their actions. It is down to me to ensure they are under control and to ensure that I have taken all reasonable steps to make them safe to members of the public when I am out with them, or when I am out of the house.

I cannot take precautions against the idiots (and there are always 1 or 2) that ignore all of the warnings and think that they have the right to approach my animals with reckless abandon... their hands waving around and cooing recklessy

What 'odd pets' did you own? X"

Some psych Labradors that would have had your throat out given half the chance....a humongous great pig that roamed free in the garden and again, given half the chance would have made a mess of strangers....not to mention penny....my infamous cat.....

All very cute looking animals...but people would always ignore verbal warning....signs and even the electric fences......some people almost ask for problems when it comes to not appreciating that not all animals are anything but a cute bundle of slobbery loveliness

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not a pet, but also in the news,

A farmer has been charged with gross negligence manslaughter after he kept a bull in a field with a public right of way through it.

Considering there are people who train their dogs to be attack dogs, there does seem to be the need for harsher sentencing, if it can be proved that it was caused by an animal that has been trained to be nasty.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-23586552

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not a pet, but also in the news,

A farmer has been charged with gross negligence manslaughter after he kept a bull in a field with a public right of way through it.

Considering there are people who train their dogs to be attack dogs, there does seem to be the need for harsher sentencing, if it can be proved that it was caused by an animal that has been trained to be nasty.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-23586552"

why does it have to be proved the animal was trained to be nasty? The owner of a dangerous dog is responsible for that dog...whether it be a poodle or a Rottweiler makes no difference. The owners of snakes, spiders, sheep, cats, horses etc etc etc ....likewise

I cannot imagine that the farmer was out in his field day after day training his bull to attack ramblers

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By *innamon!Woman
over a year ago

no matter

My son had a few snakes the two boas were big.. he was never allowed to have them out when alone in house and was discouraged from having them on his neck..

the rock python and albino boa (called shitface) were nasty got rid of those fairly quickly.

That rock python was pretty big and could easily have squeezed those children being attracted to their warmth. what a tragedy

I think we should bring back a proper licencing system for dogs and obligatory microchip with laws to keep it up to date (owners contact details) would be easier to monitor good and bad dogs/owners that way. far too many people have unruly dogs off the lead and we often see dogs attacked by loose dogs with bad owners.. sad when the innocent owner is stuck with an unexpected 400 pound bill and a damaged dog.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not a pet, but also in the news,

A farmer has been charged with gross negligence manslaughter after he kept a bull in a field with a public right of way through it.

Considering there are people who train their dogs to be attack dogs, there does seem to be the need for harsher sentencing, if it can be proved that it was caused by an animal that has been trained to be nasty.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-23586552

why does it have to be proved the animal was trained to be nasty? The owner of a dangerous dog is responsible for that dog...whether it be a poodle or a Rottweiler makes no difference. The owners of snakes, spiders, sheep, cats, horses etc etc etc ....likewise

I cannot imagine that the farmer was out in his field day after day training his bull to attack ramblers"

The Farmer didn't train the bull to be nasty but a bull is a dangerous animal, so the farmer was incompetent by leaving the bull in that field, manslaughter not murder.

If a dog is trained to attack it is done with intent, Murder not manslaughter.

So whilst incompetence is not an excuse it is not done with intent to cause harm. If you sentence an incompetent to life what are you going to sentence the person to who did it with intent.

Accidents do happen even though the results are still horrific there has to be a difference between something that happens accidentally or with intent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My son had a few snakes the two boas were big.. he was never allowed to have them out when alone in house and was discouraged from having them on his neck..

the rock python and albino boa (called shitface) were nasty got rid of those fairly quickly.

That rock python was pretty big and could easily have squeezed those children being attracted to their warmth. what a tragedy

I think we should bring back a proper licencing system for dogs and obligatory microchip with laws to keep it up to date (owners contact details) would be easier to monitor good and bad dogs/owners that way. far too many people have unruly dogs off the lead and we often see dogs attacked by loose dogs with bad owners.. sad when the innocent owner is stuck with an unexpected 400 pound bill and a damaged dog.

"

My dog is chipped and would have no problem if I had to have a license, IIRC you used to go to the post office to buy a license so there were no checks on people, pay your money and got a bit of paper. But why not any pet that has the ability to be dangerous such as larger breeds of snake, why shouldn't snake owners require a license and micro chipping?

To be honest even banning a certain breed doesn't result in there not being any. My dog was playing with a pitbull on Saturday in the main park in Plymouth. He was gorgeous and a good friendly dog.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We are proud animal lovers. We have a staff. People are to quick to stereotype certain dog breed owners. Our dog is amazing. Its nothing to do with the breed. Its to do with the owners and how they treat it, treat a dog right and it will love you forever. Our previous dog was a rottweiler who was also god as gold. To many people now especially young hoodies have dogs purely as a status symbol. Youve only got to look at dog homes and these places are full of staffs etc etc

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By *abeandhimCouple
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We are proud animal lovers. We have a staff. People are to quick to stereotype certain dog breed owners. Our dog is amazing. Its nothing to do with the breed. Its to do with the owners and how they treat it, treat a dog right and it will love you forever. Our previous dog was a rottweiler who was also god as gold. To many people now especially young hoodies have dogs purely as a status symbol. Youve only got to look at dog homes and these places are full of staffs etc etc"

Just been watching the news headlines and once again we have clips of staffs.My staff is a kind gentle dog albeit one who farts like a trouper,who often pops into my place of work to meet the disabled young clients I work with.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We are proud animal lovers. We have a staff. People are to quick to stereotype certain dog breed owners. Our dog is amazing. Its nothing to do with the breed. Its to do with the owners and how they treat it, treat a dog right and it will love you forever. Our previous dog was a rottweiler who was also god as gold. To many people now especially young hoodies have dogs purely as a status symbol. Youve only got to look at dog homes and these places are full of staffs etc etc"

Amen! Completely agree, ive got a Staffy crossed with a Rottweiler and about 9 times out of 10 when i say what breed he is people are like oh my god i bet hes trouble, i hate how people assume the worst of certain breeds because of the twats abusing and mistreating them giving them bad names. Says it all how our dog was dumped at 2 months old by someone before being rescued by the dogs home and us having him. Makes my blood boil!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We are proud animal lovers. We have a staff. People are to quick to stereotype certain dog breed owners. Our dog is amazing. Its nothing to do with the breed. Its to do with the owners and how they treat it, treat a dog right and it will love you forever. Our previous dog was a rottweiler who was also god as gold. To many people now especially young hoodies have dogs purely as a status symbol. Youve only got to look at dog homes and these places are full of staffs etc etc

Amen! Completely agree, ive got a Staffy crossed with a Rottweiler and about 9 times out of 10 when i say what breed he is people are like oh my god i bet hes trouble, i hate how people assume the worst of certain breeds because of the twats abusing and mistreating them giving them bad names. Says it all how our dog was dumped at 2 months old by someone before being rescued by the dogs home and us having him. Makes my blood boil! "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My uncle breeds Staffies and never had a single issue with them.

2 males and 1 Bitch and they're the softest, daftest dogs I've ever seen.

Yet people still back off and think they will just attack for no reason.

Yet one of my neighbours has Jack Russell and its a right viscous little shit that a few times has tried to rip my ankles out.

As others have said, it's how the owner treats the dog and the mentality they give the dog.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My uncle breeds Staffies and never had a single issue with them.

2 males and 1 Bitch and they're the softest, daftest dogs I've ever seen.

Yet people still back off and think they will just attack for no reason.

Yet one of my neighbours has Jack Russell and its a right viscous little shit that a few times has tried to rip my ankles out.

As others have said, it's how the owner treats the dog and the mentality they give the dog. "

When my staffie was 12 weeks old and having her first walk two jack russells pinned her down and went straight for her neck.I got them off and whizzed them down the canal towpath.Now shes older and meatier they run off when they see her.Or maybe its because they see me!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a very proud owner of a Staffy, I was discussing it with someone and they pointed out the fact that.

He doesn't know he is a Staffy...He's not that clever

My 70 year old Mum will come and take my Staffy out with her for walks...

She has never owned a dog and couldn't be described as a dog lover in any way.

I had people queuing up to look after him when I went to Glastonbury for a week.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My uncle breeds Staffies and never had a single issue with them.

2 males and 1 Bitch and they're the softest, daftest dogs I've ever seen.

Yet people still back off and think they will just attack for no reason.

Yet one of my neighbours has Jack Russell and its a right viscous little shit that a few times has tried to rip my ankles out.

As others have said, it's how the owner treats the dog and the mentality they give the dog.

When my staffie was 12 weeks old and having her first walk two jack russells pinned her down and went straight for her neck.I got them off and whizzed them down the canal towpath.Now shes older and meatier they run off when they see her.Or maybe its because they see me!"

Lol jack Russell's are nasty, hmmm makes me think why I was named Russell

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By *riendly foeWoman
over a year ago

In a crisp poke on the A814


"Wow .... it does say LIFE sentence if the dog kills someone ...

"

In the same sense that you COULD get life for man slaughter...

Doubt very much anyone would get that much....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My uncle breeds Staffies and never had a single issue with them.

2 males and 1 Bitch and they're the softest, daftest dogs I've ever seen.

Yet people still back off and think they will just attack for no reason.

Yet one of my neighbours has Jack Russell and its a right viscous little shit that a few times has tried to rip my ankles out.

As others have said, it's how the owner treats the dog and the mentality they give the dog.

When my staffie was 12 weeks old and having her first walk two jack russells pinned her down and went straight for her neck.I got them off and whizzed them down the canal towpath.Now shes older and meatier they run off when they see her.Or maybe its because they see me!

Lol jack Russell's are nasty, hmmm makes me think why I was named Russell "

Nooo comment!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My uncle breeds Staffies and never had a single issue with them.

2 males and 1 Bitch and they're the softest, daftest dogs I've ever seen.

Yet people still back off and think they will just attack for no reason.

Yet one of my neighbours has Jack Russell and its a right viscous little shit that a few times has tried to rip my ankles out.

As others have said, it's how the owner treats the dog and the mentality they give the dog.

When my staffie was 12 weeks old and having her first walk two jack russells pinned her down and went straight for her neck.I got them off and whizzed them down the canal towpath.Now shes older and meatier they run off when they see her.Or maybe its because they see me!

Lol jack Russell's are nasty, hmmm makes me think why I was named Russell

Nooo comment! "

You'll find out how bad I bite soon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I work with and keep reptiles and have for many years

I only have the upmost respect for them

They are beautiful fascinating animals

And as for training yes some can be

One of my monitor lizards is more like a dog he evens plays fetch lol

D x "
Mikey our chameleon comes to the glass when he wants fed and walks straight onto our hand so we can feed him,

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