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By *lentyoffun40 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire

Nearly 250 000 on them

I think it's disgusting and dangerous

Discuss

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Horrible things but unfortunately the best a lot are going to get in this day in age. Full time workers with out all the catches

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By *rsIdiotWoman
over a year ago

Bedworth

Agreed. My hubby's been on one for years as it's the only job he's been able to find. There's no stability, sometimes no work and it's very difficult to manage a budget or get credit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nearly 250 000 on them

I think it's disgusting and dangerous

Discuss "

Only 250k on them..??? Sports Direct have got 20k 'staff' on them alone....

Heard this on the radio the other day and the point was made that the employer (who takes the profits in the good times) is now making the work force shoulder the risk in the bad times. Nice that. A well-known poem/hymn which refers to 'dark satanic mills' comes to mind.... not moved on much in the last 150 years, have we.....

ted.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

It's the same the 'ole world over

Ain't it all a bloomin' shame

It's the rich what gets the pleasure

And the poor what gets the blame.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Depends on the nature of the employers business, some businesses work on Zero Hours contracts because of the sector they are in.

Also Zero Hours contracts CAN mean an hourly rate that is considerably higher than minimum wage, and also suits many of their workers.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"Depends on the nature of the employers business, some businesses work on Zero Hours contracts because of the sector they are in.

Also Zero Hours contracts CAN mean an hourly rate that is considerably higher than minimum wage, and also suits many of their workers."

It also means no workers rights, no holiday pay, no sick pay, etc. As a sole means of income it is an appalling state of affairs.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay


"Depends on the nature of the employers business, some businesses work on Zero Hours contracts because of the sector they are in.

Also Zero Hours contracts CAN mean an hourly rate that is considerably higher than minimum wage, and also suits many of their workers.

It also means no workers rights, no holiday pay, no sick pay, etc. As a sole means of income it is an appalling state of affairs. "

Sorry but you are generalising, Zero Hours contracts DO NOT ALL mean no workers rights,no holiday pay, no sick pay etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My OH is on a 0-40 hrs contract, how he's stayed there I will never know... I can't believe how shoddily they are treated, and why? Because they can.. it's shocking, he bites his lip.. Because jobs are so few and far between these days, he's entitled to a/l which he's dreading asking for.. We have a holiday booked.. But his boss apparently thinks his employees, should only take holidays in the winter!!!

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"Depends on the nature of the employers business, some businesses work on Zero Hours contracts because of the sector they are in.

Also Zero Hours contracts CAN mean an hourly rate that is considerably higher than minimum wage, and also suits many of their workers.

It also means no workers rights, no holiday pay, no sick pay, etc. As a sole means of income it is an appalling state of affairs.

Sorry but you are generalising, Zero Hours contracts DO NOT ALL mean no workers rights,no holiday pay, no sick pay etc.

"

Perhaps not - but does so in many cases. Furthermore, how can an employee possibly plan financially when they do not know from one month to the next what they will be earning. That insecurity is unacceptable, in my opinion. As people on here have stated who have experience of this, they often cannot even get credit - what if they wanted to get a mortgage?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not great but has some uses.

As someone who freelances in other fields, a zero-hours contract allows me flexibility to pursue and fund my other ventures. If the freelance work has picked up, you can drop the zero hours gig and as long as you have a good relationship with your employer, you can walk back in as these jobs usually have a high staff turnover.

Of course, this isn't ideal for people with families and mortgages to pay but the lack of obligation works both way. You can jump just as much as they can push.

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By *rsIdiotWoman
over a year ago

Bedworth


"

Sorry but you are generalising, Zero Hours contracts DO NOT ALL mean no workers rights,no holiday pay, no sick pay etc.

"

I'm afraid it does. If my husband can't work a shift he simply does not get paid. He gets no sick pay and no holiday pay. Oh and if he has the nerve to turn down a shift for any reason, he will not be offered any work at all the following week

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Both my lads have just started on a 0 hrs contract with a company .. they are working night for £7.50 an hour even at weekends? No enhancement for weekend work is a poor show.. just goes to show what this country is coming to

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well quite frankly, I wouldn't hesitate in stopping by sometime, and swinging aforesaid employer round by his short n curlies

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Both my lads have just started on a 0 hrs contract with a company .. they are working night for £7.50 an hour even at weekends? No enhancement for weekend work is a poor show.. just goes to show what this country is coming to "

I agree

Most of my family have moved to oz, I'm very seriously contemplating following them... I have a four year old, and wonder what the future holds for him!

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay


"

Sorry but you are generalising, Zero Hours contracts DO NOT ALL mean no workers rights,no holiday pay, no sick pay etc.

I'm afraid it does. If my husband can't work a shift he simply does not get paid. He gets no sick pay and no holiday pay. Oh and if he has the nerve to turn down a shift for any reason, he will not be offered any work at all the following week "

Whish is why I highlighted 'DO NOT ALL' with capital letters, as NOT ALL zero hours workers don't get holiday pay or sick pay.....

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

*Which

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Sorry but you are generalising, Zero Hours contracts DO NOT ALL mean no workers rights,no holiday pay, no sick pay etc.

I'm afraid it does. If my husband can't work a shift he simply does not get paid. He gets no sick pay and no holiday pay. Oh and if he has the nerve to turn down a shift for any reason, he will not be offered any work at all the following week "

Sick pay and holiday pay are dependant on the employer. The government have a set up for statutory sick pay that business can utilise and holiday pay can be set up on terms set out by the employer. I've had both on a zero hours contract.

Unfortunately, some employers are arseholes and I'm sorry for your troubles.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's not great but has some uses.

As someone who freelances in other fields, a zero-hours contract allows me flexibility to pursue and fund my other ventures. If the freelance work has picked up, you can drop the zero hours gig and as long as you have a good relationship with your employer, you can walk back in as these jobs usually have a high staff turnover.

Of course, this isn't ideal for people with families and mortgages to pay but the lack of obligation works both way. You can jump just as much as they can push. "

The worst thing about zero-hour 'contracts' is that the overwhelming majority shackle the employee to one employer - so, if the employer gives you no hours this week, you cannot have a 2nd, 3rd or 4th zero hours 'contract' with anyone else who maybe could give you hours... and earnings. Like I said originally, the employer who takes all the profits is no longer taking the risk which is associated with it. They are pushing the risk down the chain to the employee. One very good reason I'm glad I'm self-employed these days: if my private hire work drops off, I can go and do something else. If I were shackled to a zero-hours 'contract' with an employer I would be f***ed.....

ted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sorry but you are generalising, Zero Hours contracts DO NOT ALL mean no workers rights,no holiday pay, no sick pay etc.

I'm afraid it does. If my husband can't work a shift he simply does not get paid. He gets no sick pay and no holiday pay. Oh and if he has the nerve to turn down a shift for any reason, he will not be offered any work at all the following week

Whish is why I highlighted 'DO NOT ALL' with capital letters, as NOT ALL zero hours workers don't get holiday pay or sick pay....."

Unfortunately, the ones who do get sick/holiday pay on zero-hour 'contracts' are very much in the minority....

By the way, the reason I place the word contract in parenthesis in this context is that in Contract Law, one element which MUST be present for a contract to exist between two parties, is 'consideration' - i.e. a payment, however small, has to be made by one or other party. There is a debate going on at the moment as to whether the 'contract' exists beyond the first point at which no hours are offered. No hours = no pay = no consideration = no 'contract'...

ted.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"It's not great but has some uses.

As someone who freelances in other fields, a zero-hours contract allows me flexibility to pursue and fund my other ventures. If the freelance work has picked up, you can drop the zero hours gig and as long as you have a good relationship with your employer, you can walk back in as these jobs usually have a high staff turnover.

Of course, this isn't ideal for people with families and mortgages to pay but the lack of obligation works both way. You can jump just as much as they can push.

The worst thing about zero-hour 'contracts' is that the overwhelming majority shackle the employee to one employer - so, if the employer gives you no hours this week, you cannot have a 2nd, 3rd or 4th zero hours 'contract' with anyone else who maybe could give you hours... and earnings. Like I said originally, the employer who takes all the profits is no longer taking the risk which is associated with it. They are pushing the risk down the chain to the employee. One very good reason I'm glad I'm self-employed these days: if my private hire work drops off, I can go and do something else. If I were shackled to a zero-hours 'contract' with an employer I would be f***ed.....

ted."

Precisely. For some such contracts may suit them - but for many many people it is a very insecure way of earning money and grossly unfair.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay


"Sorry but you are generalising, Zero Hours contracts DO NOT ALL mean no workers rights,no holiday pay, no sick pay etc.

I'm afraid it does. If my husband can't work a shift he simply does not get paid. He gets no sick pay and no holiday pay. Oh and if he has the nerve to turn down a shift for any reason, he will not be offered any work at all the following week

Whish is why I highlighted 'DO NOT ALL' with capital letters, as NOT ALL zero hours workers don't get holiday pay or sick pay.....

Unfortunately, the ones who do get sick/holiday pay on zero-hour 'contracts' are very much in the minority....

By the way, the reason I place the word contract in parenthesis in this context is that in Contract Law, one element which MUST be present for a contract to exist between two parties, is 'consideration' - i.e. a payment, however small, has to be made by one or other party. There is a debate going on at the moment as to whether the 'contract' exists beyond the first point at which no hours are offered. No hours = no pay = no consideration = no 'contract'...

ted."

I'm sorry to appear picky Ted, but making statements about them being 'very much in the minority' without having anything to back that up is nothing more than a sweeping generalisation.

Even the TUC find it hard to put actual figures and actual facts to their claims when pressed on the matter.

For many workers a more flexible way of working suits them perfectly.

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By *lentyoffun40 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire

As a 16 year old I was working and for 2 weeks went to Greece with my mates and got full pay for 2 weeks

I now know some young people working for a certain huge supermarket that offer zero hours contracts and the lad wants to go on holiday with his friends

But can't because taking 2 weeks off work without pay is just not practical when he's got rents to pay

The fact is he is working nearly 40 hours a week . So in my opinion it's clear the is room for a full time position

However the more companies that go down this road and are allowed to do it the worse its gonna get

It's good for the companies and prob same for the government who don't count these people on the unemployment figures

What chance have the youth of today got with rules like this

Again I repeat its disgusting and dangerous

And for the companies

Well ... Every little helps .... I guess

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's not great but has some uses.

As someone who freelances in other fields, a zero-hours contract allows me flexibility to pursue and fund my other ventures. If the freelance work has picked up, you can drop the zero hours gig and as long as you have a good relationship with your employer, you can walk back in as these jobs usually have a high staff turnover.

Of course, this isn't ideal for people with families and mortgages to pay but the lack of obligation works both way. You can jump just as much as they can push.

The worst thing about zero-hour 'contracts' is that the overwhelming majority shackle the employee to one employer - so, if the employer gives you no hours this week, you cannot have a 2nd, 3rd or 4th zero hours 'contract' with anyone else who maybe could give you hours... and earnings. Like I said originally, the employer who takes all the profits is no longer taking the risk which is associated with it. They are pushing the risk down the chain to the employee. One very good reason I'm glad I'm self-employed these days: if my private hire work drops off, I can go and do something else. If I were shackled to a zero-hours 'contract' with an employer I would be f***ed.....

ted.

Precisely. For some such contracts may suit them - but for many many people it is a very insecure way of earning money and grossly unfair. "

Before I go any further, I'm not promoting zero-hours contracts.

Simply as a summary, the basis of how a zero-hours contract works can vary which is clearly what this thread is currently showing.

The notes raised here are, to an extent, inconclusive as some employers are more understanding to the needs of their employees than others. Sometimes, this has bit me the arse and sometimes, it's worked a dream. The reality is your opinions will always stem from personal experience and will differ depending on life factors.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay


"As a 16 year old I was working and for 2 weeks went to Greece with my mates and got full pay for 2 weeks

I now know some young people working for a certain huge supermarket that offer zero hours contracts and the lad wants to go on holiday with his friends

But can't because taking 2 weeks off work without pay is just not practical when he's got rents to pay

The fact is he is working nearly 40 hours a week . So in my opinion it's clear the is room for a full time position

However the more companies that go down this road and are allowed to do it the worse its gonna get

It's good for the companies and prob same for the government who don't count these people on the unemployment figures

What chance have the youth of today got with rules like this

Again I repeat its disgusting and dangerous

And for the companies

Well ... Every little helps .... I guess"

Which 'huge' supermarket is it?, I would be very surprised that any large UK company doesn't base the holiday pay for 'Zero Hours Contract' workers on the average hours worked basis, as it's generally the industry standard in large UK companies.

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By *lentyoffun40 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire


"As a 16 year old I was working and for 2 weeks went to Greece with my mates and got full pay for 2 weeks

I now know some young people working for a certain huge supermarket that offer zero hours contracts and the lad wants to go on holiday with his friends

But can't because taking 2 weeks off work without pay is just not practical when he's got rents to pay

The fact is he is working nearly 40 hours a week . So in my opinion it's clear the is room for a full time position

However the more companies that go down this road and are allowed to do it the worse its gonna get

It's good for the companies and prob same for the government who don't count these people on the unemployment figures

What chance have the youth of today got with rules like this

Again I repeat its disgusting and dangerous

And for the companies

Well ... Every little helps .... I guess

Which 'huge' supermarket is it?, I would be very surprised that any large UK company doesn't base the holiday pay for 'Zero Hours Contract' workers on the average hours worked basis, as it's generally the industry standard in large UK companies.

"

I wouldn't like to name and shame but there's a clue in my post if you look closely enough

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Zero hours contracts suit some folk.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As a 16 year old I was working and for 2 weeks went to Greece with my mates and got full pay for 2 weeks

I now know some young people working for a certain huge supermarket that offer zero hours contracts and the lad wants to go on holiday with his friends

But can't because taking 2 weeks off work without pay is just not practical when he's got rents to pay

The fact is he is working nearly 40 hours a week . So in my opinion it's clear the is room for a full time position

However the more companies that go down this road and are allowed to do it the worse its gonna get

It's good for the companies and prob same for the government who don't count these people on the unemployment figures

What chance have the youth of today got with rules like this

Again I repeat its disgusting and dangerous

And for the companies

Well ... Every little helps .... I guess

Which 'huge' supermarket is it?, I would be very surprised that any large UK company doesn't base the holiday pay for 'Zero Hours Contract' workers on the average hours worked basis, as it's generally the industry standard in large UK companies.

"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As a 16 year old I was working and for 2 weeks went to Greece with my mates and got full pay for 2 weeks

I now know some young people working for a certain huge supermarket that offer zero hours contracts and the lad wants to go on holiday with his friends

But can't because taking 2 weeks off work without pay is just not practical when he's got rents to pay

The fact is he is working nearly 40 hours a week . So in my opinion it's clear the is room for a full time position

However the more companies that go down this road and are allowed to do it the worse its gonna get

It's good for the companies and prob same for the government who don't count these people on the unemployment figures

What chance have the youth of today got with rules like this

Again I repeat its disgusting and dangerous

And for the companies

Well ... Every little helps .... I guess

Which 'huge' supermarket is it?, I would be very surprised that any large UK company doesn't base the holiday pay for 'Zero Hours Contract' workers on the average hours worked basis, as it's generally the industry standard in large UK companies.

I wouldn't like to name and shame but there's a clue in my post if you look closely enough "

Them?! Really?!

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay


"As a 16 year old I was working and for 2 weeks went to Greece with my mates and got full pay for 2 weeks

I now know some young people working for a certain huge supermarket that offer zero hours contracts and the lad wants to go on holiday with his friends

But can't because taking 2 weeks off work without pay is just not practical when he's got rents to pay

The fact is he is working nearly 40 hours a week . So in my opinion it's clear the is room for a full time position

However the more companies that go down this road and are allowed to do it the worse its gonna get

It's good for the companies and prob same for the government who don't count these people on the unemployment figures

What chance have the youth of today got with rules like this

Again I repeat its disgusting and dangerous

And for the companies

Well ... Every little helps .... I guess

Which 'huge' supermarket is it?, I would be very surprised that any large UK company doesn't base the holiday pay for 'Zero Hours Contract' workers on the average hours worked basis, as it's generally the industry standard in large UK companies.

I wouldn't like to name and shame but there's a clue in my post if you look closely enough "

If you are advocating that it's Tesco's then you are misinformed. Tesco's base paid holiday leave on the average hours worked by individual workers, my youngest son worked his way through college by working night crew at Tesco's.

He was paid holiday pay on the average hours worked basis on pro rata.

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow


"Zero hours contracts suit some folk."

Yep,mainly unscrupulous employers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As a 16 year old I was working and for 2 weeks went to Greece with my mates and got full pay for 2 weeks

I now know some young people working for a certain huge supermarket that offer zero hours contracts and the lad wants to go on holiday with his friends

But can't because taking 2 weeks off work without pay is just not practical when he's got rents to pay

The fact is he is working nearly 40 hours a week . So in my opinion it's clear the is room for a full time position

However the more companies that go down this road and are allowed to do it the worse its gonna get

It's good for the companies and prob same for the government who don't count these people on the unemployment figures

What chance have the youth of today got with rules like this

Again I repeat its disgusting and dangerous

And for the companies

Well ... Every little helps .... I guess

Which 'huge' supermarket is it?, I would be very surprised that any large UK company doesn't base the holiday pay for 'Zero Hours Contract' workers on the average hours worked basis, as it's generally the industry standard in large UK companies.

I wouldn't like to name and shame but there's a clue in my post if you look closely enough

If you are advocating that it's Tesco's then you are misinformed. Tesco's base paid holiday leave on the average hours worked by individual workers, my youngest son worked his way through college by working night crew at Tesco's.

He was paid holiday pay on the average hours worked basis on pro rata.

"

I love it when my point is proven and I didn't have to lift a finger!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sorry but you are generalising, Zero Hours contracts DO NOT ALL mean no workers rights,no holiday pay, no sick pay etc.

I'm afraid it does. If my husband can't work a shift he simply does not get paid. He gets no sick pay and no holiday pay. Oh and if he has the nerve to turn down a shift for any reason, he will not be offered any work at all the following week

Whish is why I highlighted 'DO NOT ALL' with capital letters, as NOT ALL zero hours workers don't get holiday pay or sick pay.....

Unfortunately, the ones who do get sick/holiday pay on zero-hour 'contracts' are very much in the minority....

By the way, the reason I place the word contract in parenthesis in this context is that in Contract Law, one element which MUST be present for a contract to exist between two parties, is 'consideration' - i.e. a payment, however small, has to be made by one or other party. There is a debate going on at the moment as to whether the 'contract' exists beyond the first point at which no hours are offered. No hours = no pay = no consideration = no 'contract'...

ted.

I'm sorry to appear picky Ted, but making statements about them being 'very much in the minority' without having anything to back that up is nothing more than a sweeping generalisation.

Even the TUC find it hard to put actual figures and actual facts to their claims when pressed on the matter.

For many workers a more flexible way of working suits them perfectly."

maybe I should have phrased it better, but you are correct - it is nigh on impossible to get an accurate figure but what evidence there is seems to point in the direction of those fortunate enough to get sick and holiday pay on zero-hour 'contracts' being very much the lucky ones and far from the 'norm'.

To me, the worst part of this is that in this day and age of hitech everywhere, it is impossible to go on to a website somewhere and check who are the biggest abusers... er, sorry... 'providers' of zero-hour 'contracts' so you can decide - if you are in such a position - whether to offer your services to them or not. And, as you say, there are workers who find these contracts suit them, but I don't see employers rolling out these people to demonstrate or back up the benefits of working on them

Just seems that yet again workers are expected to be Uriah Heep and be very 'umble...

ted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As a 16 year old I was working and for 2 weeks went to Greece with my mates and got full pay for 2 weeks

I now know some young people working for a certain huge supermarket that offer zero hours contracts and the lad wants to go on holiday with his friends

But can't because taking 2 weeks off work without pay is just not practical when he's got rents to pay

The fact is he is working nearly 40 hours a week . So in my opinion it's clear the is room for a full time position

However the more companies that go down this road and are allowed to do it the worse its gonna get

It's good for the companies and prob same for the government who don't count these people on the unemployment figures

What chance have the youth of today got with rules like this

Again I repeat its disgusting and dangerous

And for the companies

Well ... Every little helps .... I guess

Which 'huge' supermarket is it?, I would be very surprised that any large UK company doesn't base the holiday pay for 'Zero Hours Contract' workers on the average hours worked basis, as it's generally the industry standard in large UK companies.

I wouldn't like to name and shame but there's a clue in my post if you look closely enough

If you are advocating that it's Tesco's then you are misinformed. Tesco's base paid holiday leave on the average hours worked by individual workers, my youngest son worked his way through college by working night crew at Tesco's.

He was paid holiday pay on the average hours worked basis on pro rata.

I love it when my point is proven and I didn't have to lift a finger! "

ASDA ?

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By *lentyoffun40 OP   Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire


"As a 16 year old I was working and for 2 weeks went to Greece with my mates and got full pay for 2 weeks

I now know some young people working for a certain huge supermarket that offer zero hours contracts and the lad wants to go on holiday with his friends

But can't because taking 2 weeks off work without pay is just not practical when he's got rents to pay

The fact is he is working nearly 40 hours a week . So in my opinion it's clear the is room for a full time position

However the more companies that go down this road and are allowed to do it the worse its gonna get

It's good for the companies and prob same for the government who don't count these people on the unemployment figures

What chance have the youth of today got with rules like this

Again I repeat its disgusting and dangerous

And for the companies

Well ... Every little helps .... I guess

Which 'huge' supermarket is it?, I would be very surprised that any large UK company doesn't base the holiday pay for 'Zero Hours Contract' workers on the average hours worked basis, as it's generally the industry standard in large UK companies.

I wouldn't like to name and shame but there's a clue in my post if you look closely enough

If you are advocating that it's Tesco's then you are misinformed. Tesco's base paid holiday leave on the average hours worked by individual workers, my youngest son worked his way through college by working night crew at Tesco's.

He was paid holiday pay on the average hours worked basis on pro rata.

"

I don't think you should be naming people / places on a public forum

Wether or not the info is correct

Sure enough ill double check but I was only told this a matter of months ago and had no reason to disbelieve him

However if it is wrong ill post on the forum

Can't say further than that

Still stand by that zero hour contracts are disgusting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As was mentioned further up by a few people, including myself. It works for some people. What I've taken from this is that it doesn't work for the majority as they simply want to do a job and provide for their families, pay their bills and be secure. However for some it's perfect as they're not tied in to the business and can leave when every they like and dictate when they work to a point.

Since it's an employer issue, maybe raising the issue might help.

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By *rsIdiotWoman
over a year ago

Bedworth

The company I work for (large pharmaceutical retailer which rhymes with shoots) has very few staff on zero hours contacts and have been trying to phase them out completely. Before I moved to my current role I worked in recruitment for them. At that time we saw temp zero hours contracts removed totally and the reduction in recruitment for perm zero hours. Zero hours contracts are now very rare within the company

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"As was mentioned further up by a few people, including myself. It works for some people. What I've taken from this is that it doesn't work for the majority as they simply want to do a job and provide for their families, pay their bills and be secure. However for some it's perfect as they're not tied in to the business and can leave when every they like and dictate when they work to a point.

Since it's an employer issue, maybe raising the issue might help. "

Both charities and politicians are requesting a full review of this since the ONS upped their estimates to 250,000 people on them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Zero Hour contracts are little different to the contracting work I did most of my life, except we paid our own tax and were effectively self employed which also came with a lot of benefits.

We never had any benefits and mostly worked day to day, and in quiet times for little more than standard pay, but when the work got busy we turned the tables and raked it in often quadruple the hourly rates paid to the staffers. Just wait for the tide to change and all on zero hour contracts will be enjoying the good times ahead of the rest.

For now anyone on it would be well advised to get an accountant and produce books, a couple of years worth showing a regular average income will do wonders for credit rating and even mortgage companies accept accounts from self employed, though always used to need 3 years worth.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"Zero Hour contracts are little different to the contracting work I did most of my life, except we paid our own tax and were effectively self employed which also came with a lot of benefits.

We never had any benefits and mostly worked day to day, and in quiet times for little more than standard pay, but when the work got busy we turned the tables and raked it in often quadruple the hourly rates paid to the staffers. Just wait for the tide to change and all on zero hour contracts will be enjoying the good times ahead of the rest.

For now anyone on it would be well advised to get an accountant and produce books, a couple of years worth showing a regular average income will do wonders for credit rating and even mortgage companies accept accounts from self employed, though always used to need 3 years worth."

What if your income on these hours is really low? Pay an accountant when you are worried if you can even afford to pay the rent that month?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As was mentioned further up by a few people, including myself. It works for some people. What I've taken from this is that it doesn't work for the majority as they simply want to do a job and provide for their families, pay their bills and be secure. However for some it's perfect as they're not tied in to the business and can leave when every they like and dictate when they work to a point.

Since it's an employer issue, maybe raising the issue might help.

Both charities and politicians are requesting a full review of this since the ONS upped their estimates to 250,000 people on them."

That's good news!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What if your income on these hours is really low? Pay an accountant when you are worried if you can even afford to pay the rent that month?"

That is a problem, but if you keep everything in order it's actually only once a year you need to pass them to an accountant, and they are less expensive that many people think, around £75 a year will get you the signature that will make all the difference if you want credit at some point.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"What if your income on these hours is really low? Pay an accountant when you are worried if you can even afford to pay the rent that month?

That is a problem, but if you keep everything in order it's actually only once a year you need to pass them to an accountant, and they are less expensive that many people think, around £75 a year will get you the signature that will make all the difference if you want credit at some point."

I've lived on a really low income. £75 is a lot when half the time you can't even afford bus fare.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've lived on a really low income. £75 is a lot when half the time you can't even afford bus fare."

I know, also been where kids growing out of shoes was the cause of nightmares, but it's less than £1.50 a week. The circumstances are different as it probably saved me more in taxes than it cost. Those on PAYE don't get that benefit. but for the longer term when not on minimum wage cheaper loans, chance of a mortgage and chance of better salary negotiations should the market change, it may not be bad advice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They should be against the law it takes the piss big time.

Do the big supermarkets still use people like that?

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

Zero hour contracts are the pits but they only exist because people are dumb enough to sign them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i was on nil contract in my last job...... told manager i was finishing and she said i had to work my week in hand..... pmsl as if and told her that too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well I've been on zero hours for last 3 years. Only difference between the contract I have now and have had with guarenteed hours is the amount of hours I work..

I get overtime on my official days off.

Full sick pay after 1 year for up to x amount of weeks.

Paid annual leave after 3 months probation is passed, which I accrue through hours I've worked.

There is griefence procedures etc

As I say only thing different is how many hours I get, never been a problem and I always end up doing more hours than I asked for every week anyway!

Suits me as it means I can be more flexible, they don't force me to work if I can't, but I help where I can. If I help them they help me.

Oh and I also get pension if I want and a bonus scheme.

Those saying they don't get holiday pay I think you need to look into it more as contracted workers have to get holiday pay. On zero hours it is usually based on hours you have worked.

As for sick pay, well no company has to pay that as all they have to do is claim statory sick pay for you as minimum

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im contracted to a large diy chain on a zero hour contract and applied for car finance was told by finance company that the company im employed by said they dont employ me im just a temp worker yet worked for them for over 2 years

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Im contracted to a large diy chain on a zero hour contract and applied for car finance was told by finance company that the company im employed by said they dont employ me im just a temp worker yet worked for them for over 2 years"
That's where the certified accounts could help. though of course you would need to get them passed the computer muppet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Googling it, everyone on zero hours is entitled to accrue holiday pay up to 5.6 weeks.

As with any contract you need to agree to the terms in the contract. Including notice periods etc..

Doesn't matter about the hours, just the terms in the contract.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Im contracted to a large diy chain on a zero hour contract and applied for car finance was told by finance company that the company im employed by said they dont employ me im just a temp worker yet worked for them for over 2 years"

Check what's in your contract cos mine clearly states I am permenant

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay


"Im contracted to a large diy chain on a zero hour contract and applied for car finance was told by finance company that the company im employed by said they dont employ me im just a temp worker yet worked for them for over 2 years"

Have you tackled your company personnel department over this?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes was told im a seasonal worker

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes was told im a seasonal worker"

Being on zero hours doesn't automatically mean you are a temp. That has to be stated in your contract, same has any contracted employment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i was on nil contract in my last job...... told manager i was finishing and she said i had to work my week in hand..... pmsl as if and told her that too "

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By *he devil wears pradaWoman
over a year ago

gosport ish


"Zero hours contracts suit some folk.

Yep,mainly unscrupulous employers. "
two people in the dept of the college I teach in are on a zero contract, it suits them both. For most of the time they are earning more than myself who is FT, salaried perm staff. They can get sick pay and take holidays, both of which are proportionate to hrs worked.

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