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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

the couple who killed the little boy are being sentenced today.

is there any point in giving them a sentence - will they ever be allowed out? - could they ever be trusted again? - are they another Sutcliffe, hyndley who will never see light of day again.

if so, and considering how much it costs to keep them in prison would it be a better option to kill them?

views and why

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

No because we are a civilised society not Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, China.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There will be no justice for that little boy. Even a life in prison is not enough, they won't suffer like he did. I wouldn't want them hanged, too easy and painless. If I had my way they would suffer like he did for the rest of their worthless existence. I cannot describe how appalled and upset this case makes me, everytime I see Daniels face I just feel like crying x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There will be no justice for that little boy. Even a life in prison is not enough, they won't suffer like he did. I wouldn't want them hanged, too easy and painless. If I had my way they would suffer like he did for the rest of their worthless existence. I cannot describe how appalled and upset this case makes me, everytime I see Daniels face I just feel like crying x"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No because we are a civilised society not Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, China."

America uses the death sentence and there a lot more civilized then the countries you listed there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There was a couple in the village next to mine who killed there infant son, she got a year probation and I think he got 10 years

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"No because we are a civilised society not Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, China.

America uses the death sentence and there a lot more civilized then the countries you listed there"

I rather think that that may be a matter of opinion. And not all states have the death penalty - there have also been a number of cases of miscarriage of justice. Furthermore, they have been found in contravention of Human Rights laws by executing people deemed children and those with mental impairment - not very civilised to me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No because we are a civilised society not Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, China."

Are these the actions of civilised people as if they were in any of the so called by you " uncivilised " countries you have named justice would be swift and a clear message sent which may deter others

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No because we are a civilised society not Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, China.

America uses the death sentence and there a lot more civilized then the countries you listed there

I rather think that that may be a matter of opinion. And not all states have the death penalty - there have also been a number of cases of miscarriage of justice. Furthermore, they have been found in contravention of Human Rights laws by executing people deemed children and those with mental impairment - not very civilised to me. "

Just because a small ratio of people executed which shouldn't have, doesn't make the state uncivilized,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The whole point of a justice justice system I believe, is to set clear guidelines for what our society believes to be acceptable, and clarity for those who form it as to how they should conduct themselves thus offering respect to others.

I feel that we should demonstrate that we can be better, than those who commit such heinous crimes.

I deplore the crime, but to simply bay for blood afterwards solves very little.

Do I have an answer ? Not really, but I don't think snapping someone's neck is it either.

Of course I'm sure some will say they advocate it, but I doubt they've actually witnessed the grotesque act of someone's life wilfully being taken.kind of makes your stomach turn.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

there is such a vitriolic public outcry about this couple ( and rightly so) that no one will ever let them out.

if they never get out what is the point of their life?

or should prison be spent re-educated and re-habilitating them. and if so, for what?

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By *adyA01Woman
over a year ago

Wellington

The couple who treated that dear little boy like that were not civilised! As a parent I say put them in a room full of other parents! The way this case has made me feel, they would not last long!

That poor poor little boy! People like that just disgust me and do not deserve civilised treatment!!!

How can the school and medical profession and social services miss so much!!!

There needs to be a serious shake up, I hope everyone involved feels some guilt for what has happened here!!

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By *ondonpride69Couple
over a year ago

Blackpool

Government and opposition are too weak to bring back the death sentence.

Although most who have never seen loved ones raped, tourchered or murdered call the death sentence barbaric, how would they feel if they had.

Personally I don't care if its PC or not it happened to one of mine I'd save the hangman some time and find a way of doing it myself.

Bring the death sentence back.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"No because we are a civilised society not Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, China.

Are these the actions of civilised people as if they were in any of the so called by you " uncivilised " countries you have named justice would be swift and a clear message sent which may deter others "

If it is a deterrent then why do these countries still have such crimes? The deterrent argument has proven to be false time and again. The death penalty does not deter such criminals.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Death Sentence - No. But why should they get privileges like tv, game consoles etc for committing such a horrible crime. And unless im wrong, don't they get put in a special wing if they are threatened by other prisoners. What goes around, comes around I say.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, I don't believe in execution, no matter what the crime.

However, for the pair of them, life in solitary confinement in a dark cell with no comforts. Where they are left without food or water for 33 hour stretches. The only thing on the walls is a large picture of the little boy whose innocent life they took without remorse.

It would be my absolute pleasure to inform them that, without possibility of parole, they will live out the rest of their natural lives experiencing the horrible torment that they put that boy through - day after miserable wretched day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no ... but not for any moral reasoning around killing being wrong but there are just too many miscarriages of justice, too many police lies and legal representation for the less well off is relatively poor.

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By *ondonpride69Couple
over a year ago

Blackpool


"No, I don't believe in execution, no matter what the crime.

However, for the pair of them, life in solitary confinement in a dark cell with no comforts. Where they are left without food or water for 33 hour stretches. The only thing on the walls is a large picture of the little boy whose innocent life they took without remorse.

It would be my absolute pleasure to inform them that, without possibility of parole, they will live out the rest of their natural lives experiencing the horrible torment that they put that boy through - day after miserable wretched day. "

Really no matter what the crime? Are you a parent?

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"No, I don't believe in execution, no matter what the crime.

However, for the pair of them, life in solitary confinement in a dark cell with no comforts. Where they are left without food or water for 33 hour stretches. The only thing on the walls is a large picture of the little boy whose innocent life they took without remorse.

It would be my absolute pleasure to inform them that, without possibility of parole, they will live out the rest of their natural lives experiencing the horrible torment that they put that boy through - day after miserable wretched day.

Really no matter what the crime? Are you a parent?"

What has being a parent got to do with it? Only parents have a valid argument?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No, I don't believe in execution, no matter what the crime.

However, for the pair of them, life in solitary confinement in a dark cell with no comforts. Where they are left without food or water for 33 hour stretches. The only thing on the walls is a large picture of the little boy whose innocent life they took without remorse.

It would be my absolute pleasure to inform them that, without possibility of parole, they will live out the rest of their natural lives experiencing the horrible torment that they put that boy through - day after miserable wretched day. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No, I don't believe in execution, no matter what the crime.

However, for the pair of them, life in solitary confinement in a dark cell with no comforts. Where they are left without food or water for 33 hour stretches. The only thing on the walls is a large picture of the little boy whose innocent life they took without remorse.

It would be my absolute pleasure to inform them that, without possibility of parole, they will live out the rest of their natural lives experiencing the horrible torment that they put that boy through - day after miserable wretched day.

Really no matter what the crime? Are you a parent?"

My parental status is entirely irrelevant to the opinion I expressed. You may feel that parental status is important to YOUR opinion on the matter however.

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull


"No because we are a civilised society not Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, China."

Without checking i am guessing that Saudi Arabia's crime statistics of murders/rapes/robberies/muggings/beating up oap etc. are a lot lower than ours

So are we really the civilised ones ?

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By *ondonpride69Couple
over a year ago

Blackpool


"No, I don't believe in execution, no matter what the crime.

However, for the pair of them, life in solitary confinement in a dark cell with no comforts. Where they are left without food or water for 33 hour stretches. The only thing on the walls is a large picture of the little boy whose innocent life they took without remorse.

It would be my absolute pleasure to inform them that, without possibility of parole, they will live out the rest of their natural lives experiencing the horrible torment that they put that boy through - day after miserable wretched day.

Really no matter what the crime? Are you a parent?

What has being a parent got to do with it? Only parents have a valid argument?"

My point is...... If your child was raped or murdered are you telling me you wouldn't want to see them hang?

I had children to love a protect, if someone took them away, I would happily see there life come to an end so they couldn't do it again.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"No because we are a civilised society not Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, China.

Without checking i am guessing that Saudi Arabia's crime statistics of murders/rapes/robberies/muggings/beating up oap etc. are a lot lower than ours

So are we really the civilised ones ?"

Saudi Arabia executes rape VICTIMS for adultery - civilised?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hanging is to good for them stick them in a cell with 12 woman with hells let them deal with it job done

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull


"Hanging is to good for them stick them in a cell with 12 woman with hells let them deal with it job done "

are they going to nag him to death because that would be horrific

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont think there would be much talk

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Government and opposition are too weak to bring back the death sentence.

Although most who have never seen loved ones raped, tourchered or murdered call the death sentence barbaric, how would they feel if they had.

Personally I don't care if its PC or not it happened to one of mine I'd save the hangman some time and find a way of doing it myself.

Bring the death sentence back."

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull


"No because we are a civilised society not Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, China.

Without checking i am guessing that Saudi Arabia's crime statistics of murders/rapes/robberies/muggings/beating up oap etc. are a lot lower than ours

So are we really the civilised ones ?

Saudi Arabia executes rape VICTIMS for adultery - civilised?"

do they really ?!

Where did you get that information from that rape victims are executed and its part of there law ?

Will apologies if wrong but pretty certain its not there law books

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"No because we are a civilised society not Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, China.

Without checking i am guessing that Saudi Arabia's crime statistics of murders/rapes/robberies/muggings/beating up oap etc. are a lot lower than ours

So are we really the civilised ones ?

Saudi Arabia executes rape VICTIMS for adultery - civilised?

do they really ?!

Where did you get that information from that rape victims are executed and its part of there law ?

Will apologies if wrong but pretty certain its not there law books

"

In many countries which have Sharia Law as the state law rape victims are seen as adulterers. A woman's testimony is only worth a quarter of that of a man. Without witnesses a rape victim is pretty much screwed as the perpetrator only needs to say she consented and his word is worth more than hers. Often these victims are sentenced to death - some have actually been executed - some have their sentences commuted due to international outcry. So you will probably find that such crimes in such states are rarely reported. So it looks like rape hardly ever happens when it is probably more prevalent that is being admitted.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"No because we are a civilised society not Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, China.

Are these the actions of civilised people as if they were in any of the so called by you " uncivilised " countries you have named justice would be swift and a clear message sent which may deter others "

But it doesn't deter others 'cos people everywhere continue to commit barbaric or cruel child murders, regardless of the possibility of facing the death penalty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hang them! I would be more than willing to kick the stool out.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"No because we are a civilised society not Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, China."

Indeed!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No because we are a civilised society not Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, China.

Without checking i am guessing that Saudi Arabia's crime statistics of murders/rapes/robberies/muggings/beating up oap etc. are a lot lower than ours

So are we really the civilised ones ?

Saudi Arabia executes rape VICTIMS for adultery - civilised?

do they really ?!

Where did you get that information from that rape victims are executed and its part of there law ?

Will apologies if wrong but pretty certain its not there law books

"

It is - unmarried = lashes, married = stoned

In answer to the original question - no, I don't think it's right to execute people.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

In some countries even unmarried women can be sentenced to stoning. And often their own families do this even if the court does not!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No because we are a civilised society not Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, China.

America uses the death sentence and there a lot more civilized then the countries you listed there"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In some countries even unmarried women can be sentenced to stoning. And often their own families do this even if the court does not!"

Well yes but then there's no shortage of examples of 'justice' being dished out unofficially in this country either.

It's that it's the laws by which a nation lives which is shocking to me. But then so is the mob mentality often expressed in these sorts of discussions, which is why I'm glad this country doesn't have capital punishments (anymore).

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By *ngel n tedCouple
over a year ago

maidstone

Enough with this talk of hanging, we are a civilised society, lets just pay our taxes and be grateful that a small portion goes toward the upkeep and welfare of these people and others like them, i shall sleep soundly in my bed at nite, safe in the knowledge that they will receive health care, 3 square and a bed.....without the pressures of daily life, bills etc, and so should the rest of you

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By *rtemisiaWoman
over a year ago

Norwich


"No because we are a civilised society not Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, China.

America uses the death sentence and there a lot more civilized then the countries you listed there

I rather think that that may be a matter of opinion. And not all states have the death penalty - there have also been a number of cases of miscarriage of justice. Furthermore, they have been found in contravention of Human Rights laws by executing people deemed children and those with mental impairment - not very civilised to me. "
Here here!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Enough with this talk of hanging, we are a civilised society, lets just pay our taxes and be grateful that a small portion goes toward the upkeep and welfare of these people and others like them, i shall sleep soundly in my bed at nite, safe in the knowledge that they will receive health care, 3 square and a bed.....without the pressures of daily life, bills etc, and so should the rest of you "

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"In some countries even unmarried women can be sentenced to stoning. And often their own families do this even if the court does not!

Well yes but then there's no shortage of examples of 'justice' being dished out unofficially in this country either.

It's that it's the laws by which a nation lives which is shocking to me. But then so is the mob mentality often expressed in these sorts of discussions, which is why I'm glad this country doesn't have capital punishments (anymore)."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nothing could be done to bring justice for him...i just hope they get life meaning life.

I dont often shed a tear over things in the news but i did when hearing what had happened to him and how the system had failed him.

It was said there were many complaints and reason for concern so why wasnt something done...its so sad

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By *ngel n tedCouple
over a year ago

maidstone

How about if we just brought back corporal punishment, they could get the slipper

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent


"No, I don't believe in execution, no matter what the crime.

However, for the pair of them, life in solitary confinement in a dark cell with no comforts. Where they are left without food or water for 33 hour stretches. The only thing on the walls is a large picture of the little boy whose innocent life they took without remorse.

It would be my absolute pleasure to inform them that, without possibility of parole, they will live out the rest of their natural lives experiencing the horrible torment that they put that boy through - day after miserable wretched day. "

Sounds fair to me. I don't thing the death sentence would be punishment enough. This would.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No because we are a civilised society not Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, China.

Without checking i am guessing that Saudi Arabia's crime statistics of murders/rapes/robberies/muggings/beating up oap etc. are a lot lower than ours

So are we really the civilised ones ?

Saudi Arabia executes rape VICTIMS for adultery - civilised?

do they really ?!

Where did you get that information from that rape victims are executed and its part of there law ?

Will apologies if wrong but pretty certain its not there law books

"

There was a case on the news recently of a Norwegian woman that had been imprisoned over there for being raped and women are stoned for adultery so yes I'm pretty sure victims are arrested, imprisioned and in extreme cases executed.

I am not a supporter of the death penalty and no I don't have children, but if I did it would not alter my view & I would educate my children as to why I hold that view. What these people did the that little boy is unimaginable to some, but I still do not believe they should be hanged for it. As I live in a country that allows me to have this opinion and I would not agree with bringing back capital punishment in this day & age.

However the poster that said about solitary confinement with no comforts and a big picture of their child......yes I'm all for that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A life for a life is revenge, not justice..

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"A life for a life is revenge, not justice.."

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By *rtemisiaWoman
over a year ago

Norwich


"The couple who treated that dear little boy like that were not civilised! As a parent I say put them in a room full of other parents! The way this case has made me feel, they would not last long!

That poor poor little boy! People like that just disgust me and do not deserve civilised treatment!!!

How can the school and medical profession and social services miss so much!!!

There needs to be a serious shake up, I hope everyone involved feels some guilt for what has happened here!! "

Regarding the social, medical and educational authorities being slack and remissive I entirely agree. And feeling a natural rage towards the fucks he had for parents - entirely justified.

However, if you actually put them in a room full of decent parents and those men and women tore them limb from limb, smashing bones, putting out eyes, gouging flesh, crushing skulls, when those decent parents emerged, bloody and exhausted, how decent do you think they would feel then?

They would have debased themselves so utterly with a spree of violence that, no matter what the motive, they would find it tricky looking at themselves in the mirror for some time afterwards. It is far better that those cruel thugs are made to live out their days with no freedom and to have to live with the thought of what they've done until the day they die..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No because we are a civilised society not Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, China."

What does civilised really mean?

You should read the rates of crime in the aforementioned countries. The number of thefts that take place, the rate of murder etc..

Better for there to be a deterrent than make a system all about rehabilitation that doesnt work.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"No because we are a civilised society not Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, China.

What does civilised really mean?

You should read the rates of crime in the aforementioned countries. The number of thefts that take place, the rate of murder etc..

Better for there to be a deterrent than make a system all about rehabilitation that doesnt work.

"

Actually rehabilitation does work. We just don't have it in this country. All we have is mealy-mouthed nonsense. In countries which do have genuine rehabilitation built in to the penal system the rates of recidivism is far far lower.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No because we are a civilised society not Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, China.

What does civilised really mean?

You should read the rates of crime in the aforementioned countries. The number of thefts that take place, the rate of murder etc..

Better for there to be a deterrent than make a system all about rehabilitation that doesnt work.

"

Even at the expense of - say your liberty to be on here having this debate?

No thanks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Here we go again. I get very concerned at those whose moral outrage is such that they'd happily kill and torture another human being. I'm afraid that says quite a lot about the humanity of some. Put them in a room with "decent parents" wtf does that mean?

Btw Saudi, china, Yemen don't just utilise the death penalty for cases such as this, they utilise it for women who are unfaithful (swingers) people who disagree with the state and people who cannot pay for their defence. In the civilised world the USA is the predominant executer or people and has one of the highest crime rates so that's clearly not working. They also predominantly execute those who are from ethnic minorities and have in Texas executed people who have learning disabilities. So I'd put Texas in with Saudi personally on the civilisation scale.

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By *andcCouple
over a year ago

London and Cheshire


"No because we are a civilised society not Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, China.

America uses the death sentence and there a lot more civilized then the countries you listed there"

NOPE! they just think they are!

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By *ngel n tedCouple
over a year ago

maidstone

Yes, because naturally we would implement some kind of warped sharia law, and not just capital punishment for the most henious and serious of crimes, i for one would not want my knob and hands cut off and eyeballs gouged out, for coming on here

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By *andcCouple
over a year ago

London and Cheshire


"Death Sentence - No. But why should they get privileges like tv, game consoles etc for committing such a horrible crime. And unless im wrong, don't they get put in a special wing if they are threatened by other prisoners. What goes around, comes around I say. "

Again I would not use the death penalty, I would want them to live as long as possible, but NO contact with the outside world, with TV, newspapers etc..just very simple food to keep them alive and either chipping at bricks all day or locked up 24 7, that would give them loads of time to think about there actions!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I suspect its very hard for us to think how the parents/relatives would feel about the sentencing of the guilty party in a murder crime...would they want a "life for a life?"...the majority of people cant truly put themselves in that position ( thank goodness).....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe we should talk closer to home. Like they say, 'fix your own home first before you fix someone else's home'.

Lets put America, China, Saudi aside. In the UK they did a study which found that people are more willing to reoffend, no matter what the crime is; only so they can have that 'comfortable' bed, watch live football, a roof over the head and regular meals.

As we live in England, maybe we should focus closer to home and address the issues in this country first before criticising others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes, because naturally we would implement some kind of warped sharia law, and not just capital punishment for the most henious and serious of crimes, i for one would not want my knob and hands cut off and eyeballs gouged out, for coming on here "

Except china and Texas don't have sharia law. They don't just execute for this type of crime. Who gets to choose the crimes we can hang them for? You? Me? Democratic vote?

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"Here we go again. I get very concerned at those whose moral outrage is such that they'd happily kill and torture another human being. I'm afraid that says quite a lot about the humanity of some. Put them in a room with "decent parents" wtf does that mean?

Btw Saudi, china, Yemen don't just utilise the death penalty for cases such as this, they utilise it for women who are unfaithful (swingers) people who disagree with the state and people who cannot pay for their defence. In the civilised world the USA is the predominant executer or people and has one of the highest crime rates so that's clearly not working. They also predominantly execute those who are from ethnic minorities and have in Texas executed people who have learning disabilities. So I'd put Texas in with Saudi personally on the civilisation scale."

I only pointed out death penalty for such cases as it was what was relevant - I know they have the death penalty for a raft of different 'crimes'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hanging is too good for them

just shoot them and save my taxes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

..how can you just kill a child?? And then be able to sleep at night?

I think they should bring the death penalty back in this country...see how the rate of all these heinous crimes drop (hopefully).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’d be interested to know just how many of those people advocating the death penalty would be prepared to summarily order the execution of a convicted criminal and then dispassionately by their own hand carry out that execution….?.

Or would they prefer to leave the administration of those actions to other people in all but cases where they had a personal interest driving their emotions for a revenge killing…?

So basically I'm asking could you genuinely sentence another human being to death after they have been convicted of a crime in which you had no direct conection?.... and then by your own hands have the courage to take their life albeit by simply pressing a button or pulling a leaver....?

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"..how can you just kill a child?? And then be able to sleep at night?

I think they should bring the death penalty back in this country...see how the rate of all these heinous crimes drop (hopefully).

"

It won't. The Moors Murderers were killing children when we still had hanging. Did not deter them in the least. The thing is that most killers simply do not believe they will be caught.

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over a year ago


"..how can you just kill a child?? And then be able to sleep at night?

I think they should bring the death penalty back in this country...see how the rate of all these heinous crimes drop (hopefully).

"

It won't and of course it won't. Same crimes happen in counties with the death penalty. People don't do these crimes in a logical way thinking about repercussions and what will happen to them. Execution just makes people feel like they're doing something.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"..how can you just kill a child?? And then be able to sleep at night?

I think they should bring the death penalty back in this country...see how the rate of all these heinous crimes drop (hopefully).

It won't. The Moors Murderers were killing children when we still had hanging. Did not deter them in the least. The thing is that most killers simply do not believe they will be caught."

Not just that but psychologically speaking this type of person often convinces themselves that they're justified in their behaviour.

People have been executed since we've had people. If it worked we'd only have to execute one person as an example and everyone else would obey the law

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By *ngel n tedCouple
over a year ago

maidstone

Public vote, would be nice, instead of a bunch of dusty old wigs deciding, not gonna hold my breath though, going on the length of time we've waited for our referendum on europe

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By *kywatcherMan
over a year ago

Southwick

Life with a minimum 30 years to serve for both.....

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"Public vote, would be nice, instead of a bunch of dusty old wigs deciding, not gonna hold my breath though, going on the length of time we've waited for our referendum on europe"

A public vote in every case? We would be at the polls every week!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The death penalty will never be brought back, human lives are worth fuck all to this or any government, but the cost of "death row" prisoners would be as exorbitant as it is in the US. If they had stolen a couple of pounds that belonged to the government their sentence would probably have been harsher.

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By *ngel n tedCouple
over a year ago

maidstone


"Public vote, would be nice, instead of a bunch of dusty old wigs deciding, not gonna hold my breath though, going on the length of time we've waited for our referendum on europe

A public vote in every case? We would be at the polls every week!"

I was thinking more along the lines of using the red button on our remotes, hosted by dermot

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’d be interested to know just how many of those people advocating the death penalty would be prepared to summarily order the execution of a convicted criminal and then dispassionately by their own hand carry out that execution….?.

Or would they prefer to leave the administration of those actions to other people in all but cases where they had a personal interest driving their emotions for a revenge killing…?

So basically I'm asking could you genuinely sentence another human being to death after they have been convicted of a crime in which you had no direct conection?.... and then by your own hands have the courage to take their life albeit by simply pressing a button or pulling a leaver....?

"

Yes, without doubt. Its all well and good going on about human rights etc etc, these people have taken the life of a young child who would have looked to them for love and security, and those b*****ds tortured him. How anyone can defend their rights is beyond me.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Life with a minimum 30 years. I suppose in this day and age it is as much as could be hoped for. However I think a few social workers Etc should be looking very hard at themselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having a public vote of every case that could end with the death penalty is a totally impractical and unworkable suggestion on every level....

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"I’d be interested to know just how many of those people advocating the death penalty would be prepared to summarily order the execution of a convicted criminal and then dispassionately by their own hand carry out that execution….?.

Or would they prefer to leave the administration of those actions to other people in all but cases where they had a personal interest driving their emotions for a revenge killing…?

So basically I'm asking could you genuinely sentence another human being to death after they have been convicted of a crime in which you had no direct conection?.... and then by your own hands have the courage to take their life albeit by simply pressing a button or pulling a leaver....?

Yes, without doubt. Its all well and good going on about human rights etc etc, these people have taken the life of a young child who would have looked to them for love and security, and those b*****ds tortured him. How anyone can defend their rights is beyond me. "

I don't see anyone defending their rights - unless I have missed something. More, I see a debate about the pros and cons of the death penalty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The couple who treated that dear little boy like that were not civilised! As a parent I say put them in a room full of other parents! The way this case has made me feel, they would not last long!

That poor poor little boy! People like that just disgust me and do not deserve civilised treatment!!!

How can the school and medical profession and social services miss so much!!!

There needs to be a serious shake up, I hope everyone involved feels some guilt for what has happened here!! "

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By *kywatcherMan
over a year ago

Southwick


"Life with a minimum 30 years. I suppose in this day and age it is as much as could be hoped for. However I think a few social workers Etc should be looking very hard at themselves.

"

I still find it difficult to comprehend that at his school he rummaged around in bins for food and this was witnessed by school officials.

That this didn't lead to any interventions by child protection authorities is baffling even though the parent was able to convince the school that he had dietary issues and was not to be fed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nothing could be done to bring justice for him...i just hope they get life meaning life.

I dont often shed a tear over things in the news but i did when hearing what had happened to him and how the system had failed him.

It was said there were many complaints and reason for concern so why wasnt something done...its so sad "

let's hope (again) that lessons have been learned in this respect - I fear not though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’d be interested to know just how many of those people advocating the death penalty would be prepared to summarily order the execution of a convicted criminal and then dispassionately by their own hand carry out that execution….?.

Or would they prefer to leave the administration of those actions to other people in all but cases where they had a personal interest driving their emotions for a revenge killing…?

So basically I'm asking could you genuinely sentence another human being to death after they have been convicted of a crime in which you had no direct conection?.... and then by your own hands have the courage to take their life albeit by simply pressing a button or pulling a leaver....?

Yes, without doubt. Its all well and good going on about human rights etc etc, these people have taken the life of a young child who would have looked to them for love and security, and those b*****ds tortured him. How anyone can defend their rights is beyond me. "

You've not really answered the question I asked.... I asked could you do it dispassionately ….?.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course people are defending their rights. Many people on here are suggesting the death penalty is inhumane and against a free countries values. Which is defending the rights of people within it.

Sorry but the day you take a life like that you give up any rights in my eyes. But hey ho let them stay in prison costing a fortune, then in 15 years they can mount an expensive court hearing trying to get out.

Hopefully an inmate will get them and save a lot of hassle

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’d be interested to know just how many of those people advocating the death penalty would be prepared to summarily order the execution of a convicted criminal and then dispassionately by their own hand carry out that execution….?.

Or would they prefer to leave the administration of those actions to other people in all but cases where they had a personal interest driving their emotions for a revenge killing…?

So basically I'm asking could you genuinely sentence another human being to death after they have been convicted of a crime in which you had no direct conection?.... and then by your own hands have the courage to take their life albeit by simply pressing a button or pulling a leaver....?

Yes, without doubt. Its all well and good going on about human rights etc etc, these people have taken the life of a young child who would have looked to them for love and security, and those b*****ds tortured him. How anyone can defend their rights is beyond me.

You've not really answered the question I asked.... I asked could you do it dispassionately ….?. "

Sorry, yes I would. You could not apply emotion to it.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No, I don't believe in execution, no matter what the crime.

However, for the pair of them, life in solitary confinement in a dark cell with no comforts. Where they are left without food or water for 33 hour stretches. The only thing on the walls is a large picture of the little boy whose innocent life they took without remorse.

It would be my absolute pleasure to inform them that, without possibility of parole, they will live out the rest of their natural lives experiencing the horrible torment that they put that boy through - day after miserable wretched day. "

this.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

I would like to know how and why the authorities and educational system let this young child down so badly?

Was everyone blind to it?

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

I don't see anyone defending their rights. Just debating the pros and cons of the death penalty. It is, of course, a highly emotive case and people will feel very strongly about it. But in issues of law this emotive tack cannot be allowed to interfere with a legal judgement which is why we don't have a 'vote' as has been suggested and why we do not have the death penalty. There have been too many miscarriages of justice in the past for that.

Furthermore, if we say that killing some one else (outside of war) is wrong then the stated doing it is not right.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’d be interested to know just how many of those people advocating the death penalty would be prepared to summarily order the execution of a convicted criminal and then dispassionately by their own hand carry out that execution….?.

Or would they prefer to leave the administration of those actions to other people in all but cases where they had a personal interest driving their emotions for a revenge killing…?

So basically I'm asking could you genuinely sentence another human being to death after they have been convicted of a crime in which you had no direct conection?.... and then by your own hands have the courage to take their life albeit by simply pressing a button or pulling a leaver....?

Yes, without doubt. Its all well and good going on about human rights etc etc, these people have taken the life of a young child who would have looked to them for love and security, and those b*****ds tortured him. How anyone can defend their rights is beyond me.

You've not really answered the question I asked.... I asked could you do it dispassionately ….?.

Sorry, yes I would. You could not apply emotion to it. "

So with total emotional detachment you are prepared to take someone’s life by your own hands …..

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By *ustyBrunette35Couple
over a year ago

birmingham


"I’d be interested to know just how many of those people advocating the death penalty would be prepared to summarily order the execution of a convicted criminal and then dispassionately by their own hand carry out that execution….?.

Or would they prefer to leave the administration of those actions to other people in all but cases where they had a personal interest driving their emotions for a revenge killing…?

So basically I'm asking could you genuinely sentence another human being to death after they have been convicted of a crime in which you had no direct conection?.... and then by your own hands have the courage to take their life albeit by simply pressing a button or pulling a leaver....?

"

Without doubt.

Where's the button/lever?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

So with total emotional detachment you are prepared to take someone’s life by your own hands ….. "

No, I could never do that regardless what they had done. I have a lot of respect for the men and women in our armed forces that are expected to do this.

Whatever anyone says, it will not change my opinion, capital punishment has no place in a civilised culture and that's my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

America has the death penalty still, in a number of states (but not all) and yet there are still murders in those states.

Even in very strict Arab states where they have the death penalty for all sorts of crimes, those crimes still happen.

We had the death penalty here from the beginnings of time, yet there were still murders right up to the point in the 60's when we abolished that penalty as there were still murders happening.

So..... is it a deterrent? Not on the above basis. If you could PROVE to me that it is, then I'll listen.

Until then, no matter how unpalatable it may be to keep scum like this poor little boys 'parents' (ha!) in jail, I would sooner do that than just go in for unbridled retribution.

ted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’d be interested to know just how many of those people advocating the death penalty would be prepared to summarily order the execution of a convicted criminal and then dispassionately by their own hand carry out that execution….?.

Or would they prefer to leave the administration of those actions to other people in all but cases where they had a personal interest driving their emotions for a revenge killing…?

So basically I'm asking could you genuinely sentence another human being to death after they have been convicted of a crime in which you had no direct conection?.... and then by your own hands have the courage to take their life albeit by simply pressing a button or pulling a leaver....?

Without doubt.

Where's the button/lever?!"

OK... So how would you feel if at some point after taking this persons life new evidence came to light which either diminished the persons involvment in crime or indeed totally admonished them from guilt...

Would you then feel like you’d committed murder…?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Great debate. I love the forums.

To those who don't advocate the death penalty what do you do with those people. Surely deprivation of light and other basic human rights is bringing yourself down to their level. Isn't that cruelty? Would you be happy for them to be rehabilitated into society? Live beside you and yours? Are you happy to pay more in taxes?

To the advocators isnt it like teaching a boy not to use his fists by punching him? As stated by many could you look in their eyes and pull the trigger? They are someone's son and daughter too. What if they had been abused in the past? What if they weren't in control of their faculties and reasoning?

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By *ustyBrunette35Couple
over a year ago

birmingham


"I’d be interested to know just how many of those people advocating the death penalty would be prepared to summarily order the execution of a convicted criminal and then dispassionately by their own hand carry out that execution….?.

Or would they prefer to leave the administration of those actions to other people in all but cases where they had a personal interest driving their emotions for a revenge killing…?

So basically I'm asking could you genuinely sentence another human being to death after they have been convicted of a crime in which you had no direct conection?.... and then by your own hands have the courage to take their life albeit by simply pressing a button or pulling a leaver....?

Without doubt.

Where's the button/lever?!

OK... So how would you feel if at some point after taking this persons life new evidence came to light which either diminished the persons involvment in crime or indeed totally admonished them from guilt...

Would you then feel like you’d committed murder…?

"

No idea really, I wouldnt have thought so.

Just doing my job and all that....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’d be interested to know just how many of those people advocating the death penalty would be prepared to summarily order the execution of a convicted criminal and then dispassionately by their own hand carry out that execution….?.

Or would they prefer to leave the administration of those actions to other people in all but cases where they had a personal interest driving their emotions for a revenge killing…?

So basically I'm asking could you genuinely sentence another human being to death after they have been convicted of a crime in which you had no direct conection?.... and then by your own hands have the courage to take their life albeit by simply pressing a button or pulling a leaver....?

Without doubt.

Where's the button/lever?!

OK... So how would you feel if at some point after taking this persons life new evidence came to light which either diminished the persons involvment in crime or indeed totally admonished them from guilt...

Would you then feel like you’d committed murder…?

No idea really, I wouldnt have thought so.

Just doing my job and all that....

"

I'm sure you can see how some people might easily describe that as rather barbaric attitude…..

After-all that person is only dead because you willingly participated in enforcing a flawed process that decided upon their quilt and then by your own hands you put them to death,,,

So surely that would make you cold blooded a murder too….

I mean it's not like saying sorry could put things right...

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By *ustyBrunette35Couple
over a year ago

birmingham


"I’d be interested to know just how many of those people advocating the death penalty would be prepared to summarily order the execution of a convicted criminal and then dispassionately by their own hand carry out that execution….?.

Or would they prefer to leave the administration of those actions to other people in all but cases where they had a personal interest driving their emotions for a revenge killing…?

So basically I'm asking could you genuinely sentence another human being to death after they have been convicted of a crime in which you had no direct conection?.... and then by your own hands have the courage to take their life albeit by simply pressing a button or pulling a leaver....?

Without doubt.

Where's the button/lever?!

OK... So how would you feel if at some point after taking this persons life new evidence came to light which either diminished the persons involvment in crime or indeed totally admonished them from guilt...

Would you then feel like you’d committed murder…?

No idea really, I wouldnt have thought so.

Just doing my job and all that....

I'm sure you can see how some people might easily describe that as rather barbaric attitude…..

After-all that person is only dead because you willingly participated in enforcing a flawed process that decided upon their quilt and then by your own hands you put them to death,,,

So surely that would make you cold blooded a murder too….

I mean it's not like saying sorry could put things right...

"

That's why I'd only execute people that are 100% guilty.. like the two child murderers today.

As I said, if someone asked me to press the button then I'd do it, and wouldn't lose a moments sleep over it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’d be interested to know just how many of those people advocating the death penalty would be prepared to summarily order the execution of a convicted criminal and then dispassionately by their own hand carry out that execution….?.

Or would they prefer to leave the administration of those actions to other people in all but cases where they had a personal interest driving their emotions for a revenge killing…?

So basically I'm asking could you genuinely sentence another human being to death after they have been convicted of a crime in which you had no direct conection?.... and then by your own hands have the courage to take their life albeit by simply pressing a button or pulling a leaver....?

Without doubt.

Where's the button/lever?!

OK... So how would you feel if at some point after taking this persons life new evidence came to light which either diminished the persons involvment in crime or indeed totally admonished them from guilt...

Would you then feel like you’d committed murder…?

No idea really, I wouldnt have thought so.

Just doing my job and all that....

I'm sure you can see how some people might easily describe that as rather barbaric attitude…..

After-all that person is only dead because you willingly participated in enforcing a flawed process that decided upon their quilt and then by your own hands you put them to death,,,

So surely that would make you cold blooded a murder too….

I mean it's not like saying sorry could put things right...

That's why I'd only execute people that are 100% guilty.. like the two child murderers today.

As I said, if someone asked me to press the button then I'd do it, and wouldn't lose a moments sleep over it."

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over a year ago

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"I would like to know how and why the authorities and educational system let this young child down so badly?

Was everyone blind to it?"

Social services was probably too busy snatching kids from UKIP supporters.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Obviously, there are certain guidelines to follow before you decide to implement the capital punishment.

For example, in a country implementing capital punishment, you will not cut the hands of a person committing theft who was poor, had no money and nothing to eat. Rather, this is a failure of that state to provide for them.

However, those who steal out of greed and are able to actually pay for the food; it is those i think who should be taught a lesson.

As per the initial post, if we are certain someone murdered a young child and have the evidence for it..i wont have any problem administering the capital punishment.

I am a believer in a life for a life, i dont turn the other cheek. Especially not for something like this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’d be interested to know just how many of those people advocating the death penalty would be prepared to summarily order the execution of a convicted criminal and then dispassionately by their own hand carry out that execution….?.

Or would they prefer to leave the administration of those actions to other people in all but cases where they had a personal interest driving their emotions for a revenge killing…?

So basically I'm asking could you genuinely sentence another human being to death after they have been convicted of a crime in which you had no direct conection?.... and then by your own hands have the courage to take their life albeit by simply pressing a button or pulling a leaver....?

Without doubt.

Where's the button/lever?!

OK... So how would you feel if at some point after taking this persons life new evidence came to light which either diminished the persons involvment in crime or indeed totally admonished them from guilt...

Would you then feel like you’d committed murder…?

No idea really, I wouldnt have thought so.

Just doing my job and all that....

I'm sure you can see how some people might easily describe that as rather barbaric attitude…..

After-all that person is only dead because you willingly participated in enforcing a flawed process that decided upon their quilt and then by your own hands you put them to death,,,

So surely that would make you cold blooded a murder too….

I mean it's not like saying sorry could put things right...

That's why I'd only execute people that are 100% guilty.. like the two child murderers today.

As I said, if someone asked me to press the button then I'd do it, and wouldn't lose a moments sleep over it."

Hmmmm but that’s the thing,,,, you cant have a system that is 100% foolproof….

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

..lets not forget about the authorities too. They have a lot to answer for as well

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"Obviously, there are certain guidelines to follow before you decide to implement the capital punishment.

For example, in a country implementing capital punishment, you will not cut the hands of a person committing theft who was poor, had no money and nothing to eat. Rather, this is a failure of that state to provide for them.

However, those who steal out of greed and are able to actually pay for the food; it is those i think who should be taught a lesson.

As per the initial post, if we are certain someone murdered a young child and have the evidence for it..i wont have any problem administering the capital punishment.

I am a believer in a life for a life, i dont turn the other cheek. Especially not for something like this.

"

Thankfully we have, in this country, evolved our society beyond this attitude and we are all the richer for it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Has anyone seen "The Purge"

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By *ustyBrunette35Couple
over a year ago

birmingham


"I’d be interested to know just how many of those people advocating the death penalty would be prepared to summarily order the execution of a convicted criminal and then dispassionately by their own hand carry out that execution….?.

Or would they prefer to leave the administration of those actions to other people in all but cases where they had a personal interest driving their emotions for a revenge killing…?

So basically I'm asking could you genuinely sentence another human being to death after they have been convicted of a crime in which you had no direct conection?.... and then by your own hands have the courage to take their life albeit by simply pressing a button or pulling a leaver....?

Without doubt.

Where's the button/lever?!

OK... So how would you feel if at some point after taking this persons life new evidence came to light which either diminished the persons involvment in crime or indeed totally admonished them from guilt...

Would you then feel like you’d committed murder…?

No idea really, I wouldnt have thought so.

Just doing my job and all that....

I'm sure you can see how some people might easily describe that as rather barbaric attitude…..

After-all that person is only dead because you willingly participated in enforcing a flawed process that decided upon their quilt and then by your own hands you put them to death,,,

So surely that would make you cold blooded a murder too….

I mean it's not like saying sorry could put things right...

That's why I'd only execute people that are 100% guilty.. like the two child murderers today.

As I said, if someone asked me to press the button then I'd do it, and wouldn't lose a moments sleep over it.

Hmmmm but that’s the thing,,,, you cant have a system that is 100% foolproof….

"

Are those two parents today 100% guilty or did someone else do it ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Life in prison they will be out within ten no doubt the justice system stinks and where was social services when all this was happening .....another child suffered a painful existence another slipped though their fingers come on government get your act together and stop another child losing their precious life makes me so angry!!!

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over a year ago

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"Life in prison they will be out within ten no doubt the justice system stinks and where was social services when all this was happening .....another child suffered a painful existence another slipped though their fingers come on government get your act together and stop another child losing their precious life makes me so angry!!!"

They will not be out in 10. The MINIMUM tariff has been set by the judge at 30 years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’d be interested to know just how many of those people advocating the death penalty would be prepared to summarily order the execution of a convicted criminal and then dispassionately by their own hand carry out that execution….?.

Or would they prefer to leave the administration of those actions to other people in all but cases where they had a personal interest driving their emotions for a revenge killing…?

So basically I'm asking could you genuinely sentence another human being to death after they have been convicted of a crime in which you had no direct conection?.... and then by your own hands have the courage to take their life albeit by simply pressing a button or pulling a leaver....?

Without doubt.

Where's the button/lever?!

OK... So how would you feel if at some point after taking this persons life new evidence came to light which either diminished the persons involvment in crime or indeed totally admonished them from guilt...

Would you then feel like you’d committed murder…?

No idea really, I wouldnt have thought so.

Just doing my job and all that....

I'm sure you can see how some people might easily describe that as rather barbaric attitude…..

After-all that person is only dead because you willingly participated in enforcing a flawed process that decided upon their quilt and then by your own hands you put them to death,,,

So surely that would make you cold blooded a murder too….

I mean it's not like saying sorry could put things right...

That's why I'd only execute people that are 100% guilty.. like the two child murderers today.

As I said, if someone asked me to press the button then I'd do it, and wouldn't lose a moments sleep over it.

Hmmmm but that’s the thing,,,, you cant have a system that is 100% foolproof….

Are those two parents today 100% guilty or did someone else do it ? "

They have been found guilty in a court of law based on the evidence and testimonies provided and I have every confidence this was a safe verdict...

But I would never be so foolish as to believe all court findings are 100% infalible..

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"Life in prison they will be out within ten no doubt the justice system stinks and where was social services when all this was happening .....another child suffered a painful existence another slipped though their fingers come on government get your act together and stop another child losing their precious life makes me so angry!!!"

As for Social Services. As usual the will be an inquiry, lessons will be learned, no heads will roll, and all will be OK until the next time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

why are you goin on about other countries .and sharia law ect ..what the fuck ..lol...if a dog attacks a child it gets put down ..killed ..fact if a human attacks a child it gets all pc ..may be a mad way to put a point across but you argue against a fuckin animal rights activist .....a dog is still a life ..but every one of you wouldn't think twice about it being put down FACT. .you funny guys ..

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"why are you goin on about other countries .and sharia law ect ..what the fuck ..lol...if a dog attacks a child it gets put down ..killed ..fact if a human attacks a child it gets all pc ..may be a mad way to put a point across but you argue against a fuckin animal rights activist .....a dog is still a life ..but every one of you wouldn't think twice about it being put down FACT. .you funny guys .. "

Actually - if a dog attacks a child it does not necessarily get put down. I just think that the hang 'em high people who seem to be getting all hot under the collar about a child they have never met are coming across as rather vicious and barbaric. What happened to that poor child is horrendous and no one is suggesting otherwise. But to use one emotive case to build an argument for the re-introduction of the death penalty makes no logical sense.

Fortunately, the vigilantes are not in the highest echelons where such decisions are made.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Are those two parents today 100% guilty or did someone else do it ? "

Or was anyone else involved, observed or complicit in the circumstances which led up to that poor kids death? Do I hear the words 'Social Services' echoing around the forum..????

ted.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"............

Fortunately, the vigilantes are not in the highest echelons where such decisions are made."

And, thankfully, most are all talk and no trousers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I just think that the hang 'em high people who seem to be getting all hot under the collar about a child they have never met are coming across as rather vicious and barbaric. "

... and, in a strange way, as feeling guilt that as a society we allowed it to happen...

Hanging these scum bags won't stop it happening again. Campaign to change the attitude in the public sector of not wishing to offend anyone or get stuck in at 45 degrees when you spot or have a gut feel something is not right, then you might make some headway.

Channel the feelings of retribution and guilt in the right way - and not the way the Daily Mail tells you - and we might get somewhere.

ted.

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By *ustyBrunette35Couple
over a year ago

birmingham


"I’d be interested to know just how many of those people advocating the death penalty would be prepared to summarily order the execution of a convicted criminal and then dispassionately by their own hand carry out that execution….?.

Or would they prefer to leave the administration of those actions to other people in all but cases where they had a personal interest driving their emotions for a revenge killing…?

So basically I'm asking could you genuinely sentence another human being to death after they have been convicted of a crime in which you had no direct conection?.... and then by your own hands have the courage to take their life albeit by simply pressing a button or pulling a leaver....?

Without doubt.

Where's the button/lever?!

OK... So how would you feel if at some point after taking this persons life new evidence came to light which either diminished the persons involvment in crime or indeed totally admonished them from guilt...

Would you then feel like you’d committed murder…?

No idea really, I wouldnt have thought so.

Just doing my job and all that....

I'm sure you can see how some people might easily describe that as rather barbaric attitude…..

After-all that person is only dead because you willingly participated in enforcing a flawed process that decided upon their quilt and then by your own hands you put them to death,,,

So surely that would make you cold blooded a murder too….

I mean it's not like saying sorry could put things right...

That's why I'd only execute people that are 100% guilty.. like the two child murderers today.

As I said, if someone asked me to press the button then I'd do it, and wouldn't lose a moments sleep over it.

Hmmmm but that’s the thing,,,, you cant have a system that is 100% foolproof….

Are those two parents today 100% guilty or did someone else do it ?

They have been found guilty in a court of law based on the evidence and testimonies provided and I have every confidence this was a safe verdict...

But I would never be so foolish as to believe all court findings are 100% infalible..

"

I too see it as a safe verdict, the safest of safe

Hang 'em.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lets just hope others take lessons from this. And nothing like this happens again.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Killing someone close up isn't going to be as easy as people seem to think.

Even those trained for years to do it don't find it easy and doing it in cold blood, albeit in the service of the state, must tax even the coldest of characters.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Lets just hope others take lessons from this. And nothing like this happens again.

"

That's a bit over optimistic. It hasn't stopped yet. I see nothing in this which will change that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Killing someone close up isn't going to be as easy as people seem to think.

Even those trained for years to do it don't find it easy and doing it in cold blood, albeit in the service of the state, must tax even the coldest of characters."

Nah!

Some of the people here are steely killers with a moral conscious. Of course some are also full of poo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The fact that innocent people have been killed by the state (any state) is a very good reason not to have the death penalty.

Plenty of people saying if it was one of mine who got killed I'd...

Well what if it was one of yours who was incorrectly sentenced to death???

Put yourself in their shoes...

It may be a rare occurrence that someone has been incorrectly found guilty but it happens.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Killing someone close up isn't going to be as easy as people seem to think.

Even those trained for years to do it don't find it easy and doing it in cold blood, albeit in the service of the state, must tax even the coldest of characters.

Nah!

Some of the people here are steely killers with a moral conscious. Of course some are also full of poo

My uncle was a POW of the Japanese for 3 years - he was captured when Singapore fell. After being kept in the notorious Changi gaol he was sent to work on the Burma railway - including the bridge over the river Kwai. He rarely spoke of his experiences except once when I was about 15. He told me of bayoneting a Japanese soldier - feeling the man's breath on his face and hearing his last cries. He said it was not easy to do - even with all the training to kill - and said most people talk about being able to kill easily but the reality is very very different."

As a young lad, I got my first job and worked with someone who had served in the Army. I asked him if he had ever killed anyone to which he replied 'bleedin' hope not, I was in the catering corps!'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No, I don't believe in execution, no matter what the crime.

However, for the pair of them, life in solitary confinement in a dark cell with no comforts. Where they are left without food or water for 33 hour stretches. The only thing on the walls is a large picture of the little boy whose innocent life they took without remorse.

It would be my absolute pleasure to inform them that, without possibility of parole, they will live out the rest of their natural lives experiencing the horrible torment that they put that boy through - day after miserable wretched day.

Really no matter what the crime? Are you a parent?

What has being a parent got to do with it? Only parents have a valid argument?

My point is...... If your child was raped or murdered are you telling me you wouldn't want to see them hang?

I had children to love a protect, if someone took them away, I would happily see there life come to an end so they couldn't do it again."

This is the point. People would happily see someone else end that persons life for them. But you wouldn't do it yourself.

How about if you were handed a gun with one bullet in it and were locked in the room with the person. After all due process has been carried out, which might be years after the crime. They were shackled to the floor. You can shoot them in the head which might make it quick or somewhere else and let them bleed out. But you have to stay there and watch them die. I think you'd find that would give you nightmares and what PTSD is all about. But you'd be happy to let someone else do it for you.

If parent or sibling of the victim feels they can do that then fine, bring back the death penalty. But the person that does it can be prosecuted for murder/manslaughter if evidenced is later found that proves innocence.

Otherwise no, the old "You'd feel different if you had kids" arguement is tiresome. Having kids wouldn't alter my sense of justice that much.

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By *ustyBrunette35Couple
over a year ago

birmingham

If the death penalty was bought back they'd never allow 'normal' people to do the execution so all these "could you do it yourself" questions and scenarios are pointless.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"No, I don't believe in execution, no matter what the crime.

However, for the pair of them, life in solitary confinement in a dark cell with no comforts. Where they are left without food or water for 33 hour stretches. The only thing on the walls is a large picture of the little boy whose innocent life they took without remorse.

It would be my absolute pleasure to inform them that, without possibility of parole, they will live out the rest of their natural lives experiencing the horrible torment that they put that boy through - day after miserable wretched day.

Really no matter what the crime? Are you a parent?

What has being a parent got to do with it? Only parents have a valid argument?

My point is...... If your child was raped or murdered are you telling me you wouldn't want to see them hang?

I had children to love a protect, if someone took them away, I would happily see there life come to an end so they couldn't do it again.

This is the point. People would happily see someone else end that persons life for them. But you wouldn't do it yourself.

How about if you were handed a gun with one bullet in it and were locked in the room with the person. After all due process has been carried out, which might be years after the crime. They were shackled to the floor. You can shoot them in the head which might make it quick or somewhere else and let them bleed out. But you have to stay there and watch them die. I think you'd find that would give you nightmares and what PTSD is all about. But you'd be happy to let someone else do it for you.

If parent or sibling of the victim feels they can do that then fine, bring back the death penalty. But the person that does it can be prosecuted for murder/manslaughter if evidenced is later found that proves innocence.

Otherwise no, the old "You'd feel different if you had kids" arguement is tiresome. Having kids wouldn't alter my sense of justice that much."

I am a mother and I utterly oppose the death penalty. I find it insulting to suggest that when one becomes a parent one also becomes a frothing at the mouth vigilante.

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By *ustyBrunette35Couple
over a year ago

birmingham

I was a frothing at the mouth vigilante long before I became a mother

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"If the death penalty was bought back they'd never allow 'normal' people to do the execution so all these "could you do it yourself" questions and scenarios are pointless.

"

The whole thread is pointless cos execution ain't coming back.

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling


"No because we are a civilised society not Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, China."

Lets not forget the good old US of A!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No, I don't believe in execution, no matter what the crime.

However, for the pair of them, life in solitary confinement in a dark cell with no comforts. Where they are left without food or water for 33 hour stretches. The only thing on the walls is a large picture of the little boy whose innocent life they took without remorse.

It would be my absolute pleasure to inform them that, without possibility of parole, they will live out the rest of their natural lives experiencing the horrible torment that they put that boy through - day after miserable wretched day.

Really no matter what the crime? Are you a parent?

What has being a parent got to do with it? Only parents have a valid argument?

My point is...... If your child was raped or murdered are you telling me you wouldn't want to see them hang?

I had children to love a protect, if someone took them away, I would happily see there life come to an end so they couldn't do it again.

This is the point. People would happily see someone else end that persons life for them. But you wouldn't do it yourself.

How about if you were handed a gun with one bullet in it and were locked in the room with the person. After all due process has been carried out, which might be years after the crime. They were shackled to the floor. You can shoot them in the head which might make it quick or somewhere else and let them bleed out. But you have to stay there and watch them die. I think you'd find that would give you nightmares and what PTSD is all about. But you'd be happy to let someone else do it for you.

If parent or sibling of the victim feels they can do that then fine, bring back the death penalty. But the person that does it can be prosecuted for murder/manslaughter if evidenced is later found that proves innocence.

Otherwise no, the old "You'd feel different if you had kids" arguement is tiresome. Having kids wouldn't alter my sense of justice that much.

I am a mother and I utterly oppose the death penalty. I find it insulting to suggest that when one becomes a parent one also becomes a frothing at the mouth vigilante. "

I'm a parent and I too agree with you. Why does having a child want to make you end another's life?

Let's not forget of course that the majority of small children who are killed,die at the hands of a relative or step parent.

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

The trouble with a civilised society is that it can't cope with uncivilised people. Yes you have people who commit one horrific crime and go away for a long time. You also get people that commit a lot of crimes like assault, burglary, sexual crimes and theft of savings etc. These crimes also destroy lives. Some of these criminals will spend 20 or 30 years in prison in lots of short stretches. They destroy families and communities. They should be delt with the same as the murders etc.

I've a lot of posts on here saying don't execute these criminals as it's uncivilised, then they go on to say that they would mentally torture these people for the rest of there life. Who is worse a torturer or an executioner? I say blood test then organ harvesting and the rest composted...

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"The trouble with a civilised society is that it can't cope with uncivilised people. Yes you have people who commit one horrific crime and go away for a long time. You also get people that commit a lot of crimes like assault, burglary, sexual crimes and theft of savings etc. These crimes also destroy lives. Some of these criminals will spend 20 or 30 years in prison in lots of short stretches. They destroy families and communities. They should be delt with the same as the murders etc.

I've a lot of posts on here saying don't execute these criminals as it's uncivilised, then they go on to say that they would mentally torture these people for the rest of there life. Who is worse a torturer or an executioner? I say blood test then organ harvesting and the rest composted..."

Nice - would you want to eat your veggies nutrified with human bodies? Sounds like the horrific imagination of a sci fi writer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well surely in certain circumstances it could be justified to bring back the death penalty. Yes we are a "civilised" society but if atrocities like these are committed then why should they get to live? Why do they deserve it? I bet the stats would go down if it was brought back but these human rights numpties would have a field day at that! It's bad enough that it's against human rights to not be allowed to vote in prison. Anyway I digress!

That guy in America was given 1000 year sentence,at least they know how to punish!

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo


"Hanging is to good for them stick them in a cell with 12 woman with hells let them deal with it job done

are they going to nag him to death because that would be horrific"

I know this is a serious thread but

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo


"Public vote, would be nice, instead of a bunch of dusty old wigs deciding, not gonna hold my breath though, going on the length of time we've waited for our referendum on europe

A public vote in every case? We would be at the polls every week!

I was thinking more along the lines of using the red button on our remotes, hosted by dermot "

And this

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"Well surely in certain circumstances it could be justified to bring back the death penalty. Yes we are a "civilised" society but if atrocities like these are committed then why should they get to live? Why do they deserve it? I bet the stats would go down if it was brought back but these human rights numpties would have a field day at that! It's bad enough that it's against human rights to not be allowed to vote in prison. Anyway I digress!

That guy in America was given 1000 year sentence,at least they know how to punish!"

Why are people who believe in human rights 'numpties'? Why is it something to be insulted? You are a human - you deserve rights. Once you weaken the human rights laws you do so at the expense of us all.

One day it could be you being unjustly accused of something - you will be grateful then of those same 'numpties' defending your rights.

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By *ondonpride69Couple
over a year ago

Blackpool

Think Gerard Butler had it right in law abiding citizen

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

think there are certain circumstances/offences that people commit where they lose the right to there "human rights"

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By *ondonpride69Couple
over a year ago

Blackpool


"think there are certain circumstances/offences that people commit where they lose the right to there "human rights" "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well D89 I'm not saying human rights are in any way wrong but there are certain aspects which don't make sense. Why shouldn't a prisoner have to slop out? They committed a crime,they have to deal with it. Instead we have a blame everyone but ourselves culture. And these human rights fanatics are numpties if they think these types of things are wrong.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"Well D89 I'm not saying human rights are in any way wrong but there are certain aspects which don't make sense. Why shouldn't a prisoner have to slop out? They committed a crime,they have to deal with it. Instead we have a blame everyone but ourselves culture. And these human rights fanatics are numpties if they think these types of things are wrong."

As a society we need to have a serious debate about imprisonment. Is it only to be a punishment? We have had that and things only got worse - so, if it means that prisoners get toilets rather than buckets then so be it. What is slopping out to do with it?

We need to not only punish but rehabilitate in many many cases - not simply thinking of murder cases here.

Furthermore, treat prisoners badly and they become more and more dangerous - what of those who have to guard them? What about their safety?

It is not just a simple case of 'slopping out' or not. Too many people see things in black and white and the world just does not work that way.

These two people committed a heinous act. They have been given a minimum of 30 years - after which they may well also be deported. The case is closed. Having a baying mob screaming for the death penalty just reminds me of the descriptions of public executions we used to have.

And quite frankly it sickens me.

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By *ondonpride69Couple
over a year ago

Blackpool

I'd rather deport them and let them serve there sentence in a polish prison, far less comfy in them ones than ours.

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By *ustyBrunette35Couple
over a year ago

birmingham


"Having a baying mob screaming for the death penalty just reminds me of the descriptions of public executions we used to have.

And quite frankly it sickens me."

I haven't seen a baying mob.. What channel, sky or bbc?

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"Having a baying mob screaming for the death penalty just reminds me of the descriptions of public executions we used to have.

And quite frankly it sickens me.

I haven't seen a baying mob.. What channel, sky or bbc?"

Metaphorical, of course.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"I'd rather deport them and let them serve there sentence in a polish prison, far less comfy in them ones than ours."

But can we be sure the 30 years minimum would apply in Poland?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well D89 I'm not saying human rights are in any way wrong but there are certain aspects which don't make sense. Why shouldn't a prisoner have to slop out? They committed a crime,they have to deal with it. Instead we have a blame everyone but ourselves culture. And these human rights fanatics are numpties if they think these types of things are wrong."

The human rights act in itself is not a law. It's an act that runs parallel to our own laws in order to ensure all justice is delivered proportionately, legitimately and only when necessary.

Whilst it states that life may be lawfully taken in the execution of a lawful sentence, I agree with Db.....there's too much mob mentality crying out for blood every time the media highlights crimes.

That's why we have the stuffy old brigade with wigs.....in order to apply law objectively and not to satisfy mobs.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

In some places where mob rule still runs, they have execution, flogging and stoning for adultery.

Is that really what Fabsters want?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just hope that the other child ( sibling) is protected and given a childhood to enjoy, should the parents be allowed to keep in touch or let the child have a new life and how can we all ensure children protected, such a sad case that a child was starved and beaten to death and not protected by people around him, how do you protect children from bad parenting or care.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Let's rememeber it's the mother and her boyfriend who are in the frame here.

The father seems entirely innocent in this matter.

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By *ondonpride69Couple
over a year ago

Blackpool


"I'd rather deport them and let them serve there sentence in a polish prison, far less comfy in them ones than ours.

But can we be sure the 30 years minimum would apply in Poland?"

Probably wouldn't survive that long inside

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"In some places where mob rule still runs, they have execution, flogging and stoning for adultery.

Is that really what Fabsters want?

"

agreed and in some 'they' also kick the shit out of 'queers and lezzers' as policy to protect society..

does anyone one here seriously think this aspect of peoples lives would also be tolerated ....

state execution is a barbaric act...

it will never be placed back on the statute..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

That guy in America was given 1000 year sentence,at least they know how to punish!"

And this just goes to show how stupid the American justice system can be...

Life + 1000 years ffs

Have you read how much the average american pays towards prison services through tax? Texas alone spends $3.3 billion with little spent on rehabilitation. 25% of tax goes on prisons in some areas. The US has the highest proportion of citizens in prison and it has become very profitable for some private run prisons. So much money being wasted on profits for private companies who welcome released prisoners back with open arms as it's money in the bank for them, with a 51% return rate of prisoners. Proportionally they have 5 times the amount of people in prison as england and wales. Approx 750 per 100000 as opposed to 155.

What annoys me is when people who rob and attack say an elderly person get a sentence measured in months yet the people who tried to steal a (expensive) rock from the millennium dome but hurt no one were all sentenced to 20 years plus. Which imo shows that to rob off the establishment is worse than randomly preying on the weak of society.

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.


"The trouble with a civilised society is that it can't cope with uncivilised people. Yes you have people who commit one horrific crime and go away for a long time. You also get people that commit a lot of crimes like assault, burglary, sexual crimes and theft of savings etc. These crimes also destroy lives. Some of these criminals will spend 20 or 30 years in prison in lots of short stretches. They destroy families and communities. They should be delt with the same as the murders etc.

I've a lot of posts on here saying don't execute these criminals as it's uncivilised, then they go on to say that they would mentally torture these people for the rest of there life. Who is worse a torturer or an executioner? I say blood test then organ harvesting and the rest composted...

Nice - would you want to eat your veggies nutrified with human bodies? Sounds like the horrific imagination of a sci fi writer."

Well we veggies that are grown in animal waste. Once the matter has been composted and the plant has used it, you are not eating human remains... Any way that was just a side benefit to help the environment... Funnily enough I have just watched the new Dredd film.

The UK did not need to sign up the European Human Rights act as treatment of people was of a reasonable standard... It just happened that the man who made the decision was married to a Lawyer who ran the only human rights practice in the UK... I'm sure Tony will correct me if I'm wrong...

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"In some places where mob rule still runs, they have execution, flogging and stoning for adultery.

Is that really what Fabsters want?

"

If it was like the stoning in Monty Pythons Life of Brian, I'd turn up for every one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

how can anyone hurt and starve a child ..... its beyond my imagination, i heard on the news today and had tears im my eyes. The little boy must have suffered so much, let them rot in hell i say.... and lets hope they are not that safe in prison. I wouldnt normally say revenge is good, but boy these two deserve anything that comes their way when they are locked up, and yet once again social services said they would learn from this ...disgraceful, how can a child be so thin and neighbours report seeing him looking in bins for food not be a sign something is very very wrong....!!!

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By *ustyBrunette35Couple
over a year ago

birmingham


"In some places where mob rule still runs, they have execution, flogging and stoning for adultery.

Is that really what Fabsters want?

If it was like the stoning in Monty Pythons Life of Brian, I'd turn up for every one "

Two rocks and three bags of gravel please

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"In some places where mob rule still runs, they have execution, flogging and stoning for adultery.

Is that really what Fabsters want?

If it was like the stoning in Monty Pythons Life of Brian, I'd turn up for every one

Two rocks and three bags of gravel please "

and a false beard for 'er indoors

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuck them off to their own country. Life improsonment in Poland surely has to be a lot harder than here plus we don't have to pay for them.

And part of their punishment should be subjection to what they put that poor, sweet little boy through, in his short, miserable life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The trouble with a civilised society is that it can't cope with uncivilised people. Yes you have people who commit one horrific crime and go away for a long time. You also get people that commit a lot of crimes like assault, burglary, sexual crimes and theft of savings etc. These crimes also destroy lives. Some of these criminals will spend 20 or 30 years in prison in lots of short stretches. They destroy families and communities. They should be delt with the same as the murders etc.

I've a lot of posts on here saying don't execute these criminals as it's uncivilised, then they go on to say that they would mentally torture these people for the rest of there life. Who is worse a torturer or an executioner? I say blood test then organ harvesting and the rest composted...

Nice - would you want to eat your veggies nutrified with human bodies? Sounds like the horrific imagination of a sci fi writer.

Well we veggies that are grown in animal waste. Once the matter has been composted and the plant has used it, you are not eating human remains... Any way that was just a side benefit to help the environment... Funnily enough I have just watched the new Dredd film.

The UK did not need to sign up the European Human Rights act as treatment of people was of a reasonable standard... It just happened that the man who made the decision was married to a Lawyer who ran the only human rights practice in the UK... I'm sure Tony will correct me if I'm wrong... "

Which bit of the HRA don't you like then? Btw concept and writing of was mostly done based on British law.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"No because we are a civilised society not Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, China.

America uses the death sentence and there a lot more civilized then the countries you listed there"

America also tends to get it wrong a lot of the time as well...

so what do you say to the family of the person you killed wrongly.......

oops???

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

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Which bit of the HRA don't you like then? Btw concept and writing of was mostly done based on British law.

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The bit that says that the British courts can be overruled by the European Court. The HRA says a person can be deported to a country that gas a legal government with the death penalty. However every time this happens the right to family life gets used to block it. The bit that says prisoners have a right to vote. The bit that allows prisoners to sue the prisons for the slightest imagined hurt/insult costing us millions... I could go on...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Which bit of the HRA don't you like then? Btw concept and writing of was mostly done based on British law.

The bit that says that the British courts can be overruled by the European Court. The HRA says a person can be deported to a country that gas a legal government with the death penalty. However every time this happens the right to family life gets used to block it. The bit that says prisoners have a right to vote. The bit that allows prisoners to sue the prisons for the slightest imagined hurt/insult costing us millions... I could go on..."

I'm not sure you're that up to date on what the HRA does. That's the daily mail version. It also protects the elderly where there have been a number of prosecutions, it protects people with learning disabilities people with mental illness, in fact lots of vulnerable people. It stops governments across Europe treating them like second class citizens.

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