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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Just out of curiousity wanted to know do woman prefere muscular guys as in built or athletic ? Or is it just not even a question ? Some woman say don't get any bigger it's not attractive but others encourage it although usually seem to find more woman go for the athletic look ?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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By what you are saying it proves that we are all different and like different things

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I thought that would be the answer just curious that's all as you can never tell these days people just agree with others or tell you what you want to here ! Strangers always give the real answers lol

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By *opping_candyWoman
over a year ago

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I quite like a fit toned guy but I don't generally find those VERY muscly attractive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't train to suit what others want, you'll never ever please everyone. Train for yourself and whatever makes you feel best and most confident in yourself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Girls doing squats at the gym...very popular know and works a treat!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Some woman say don't get any bigger it's not attractive but others encourage it although usually seem to find more woman go for the athletic look ?

I always find the whole 'don't get any bigger' type criticisms strange of gym goers, as though the size a person ultimately reaches is directly related to their efforts, like a 10 stone guy somehow turning into a rippling 18 stone superhero. Without steroids or hormones, every person who trains does so within the confines of their genetic limits, and I've never seen any natural lifter look 'too big' - muscular and strong yes, but not to the point that their muscles look like they're going to rip through their skin.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Doesn't do anything for me I like Mr average

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I don't train to please other people was just wondering what others views I'm no big muscle head but few girls have said recently that I'm getting to big ??? I don't take steroids and I train hard and I don't diet I'm not ripped just seems odd that you get the typical blokes who every time they see you ask what steroids you take ( NONE ) and then some girls have been saying lee you need to calm down at the gym your going to look like a freak ???? But still want your number lol I'm confused lol

Maybe I'm just looking into this to much haha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I prefer toned/ripped/muscley men but everyone is different so I would say go for a look that YOU like and stuff everyone else

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I like both but think I'm going to concentrate more on getting ripped now I'm muscular 16 and half stone if I can ripp down to 15 ill me happy ! Let the hard work begin

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can't please everyone and people are entitled to their own opinions of what they think is big and what's not.

For me at your height I wouldn't want to be that weight but I assume you probably eat a lot of carbs to keep the strength levels up to lift the big weights in the gym. I don't know why people think you must be on roids if you suddenly start to get big. The roids look is totally different to a natural bulked look.

Have fun cutting, it's a fine balance of carbs / protein to cut but not lose strength.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't know why people think you must be on roids if you suddenly start to get big. The roids look is totally different to a natural bulked look. "

Probably due to the fact that the general public has no idea what a steroid built physique looks like. In the vast majority of natural lifters cases, you can be big and smooth or small and defined, but not both at the same time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't know why people think you must be on roids if you suddenly start to get big. The roids look is totally different to a natural bulked look.

In our experience people that "suddenly" start to get big are on steroids which they generally loose when they come off. Peoples perseptions of steroids can be off the mark as they think that you just sit on your arse and take steroids and you will grow muscle! You still have to work the muscle for it to grow, most people we know who are on steroids work extremely hard at the gym.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That is very true yes, and as well as the gym work they also have to be very anal about their diet if they want to enter competitions.

I think some people think the same about protein shakes etc. There is no all out magic solution which requires zero effort to get big, the hours still have to be put in in the gym

The only sup I use that gives a little visual effect is creatine (in with protein shake) which just helps the muscles retain a little water for a more full look. Will say as soon as I up the cardio though it strips that away, especially in this heat we're having at the moment!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Don't train to suit what others want, you'll never ever please everyone. Train for yourself and whatever makes you feel best and most confident in yourself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Peoples perseptions of steroids can be off the mark as they think that you just sit on your arse and take steroids and you will grow muscle! You still have to work the muscle for it to grow, most people we know who are on steroids work extremely hard at the gym."

Its true, but that fact remains that many natural lifters, like myself, DO put in the hard work with the weights, but will never come anywhere near the level of strength and muscle of a steroid user.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its true, but that fact remains that many natural lifters, like myself, DO put in the hard work with the weights, but will never come anywhere near the level of strength and muscle of a steroid user."

Yes I agree that both steroid and non steroid users do put in the hard work but my point was that steroid users dont just pop a pill and grow ( unless theres alot of water retention)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its true, but that fact remains that many natural lifters, like myself, DO put in the hard work with the weights, but will never come anywhere near the level of strength and muscle of a steroid user.

Yes I agree that both steroid and non steroid users do put in the hard work but my point was that steroid users dont just pop a pill and grow ( unless theres alot of water retention) "

Actually, I recall once reading reports of a study from 1996 where four groups of males were collected for an experiment in muscle gain, and were broken into four groups:

1. Steroids and exercise

2. Steroids and NO exercise

3. Just exercise

4. No steroids or exercise

At the end of the study, group 1 had understandably gained the most muscle, group 2 gained less, but STILL more than group 3 - proving that even WITHOUT exercise, steroids are still better for muscle gain than exercise alone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nik likes the muscular look.

I'm 6-2 or 3" and 102kg at the min and 11% bf.

She prefers the drier look where muscles are visable.

We have noticed 90% of men on here who tick athletic have never lifted or done any sport in Their lives.

When we say sorry we are looking for athletic men,they get all shitty.

People don't realise how hard it is to actully build muscle.

Finally got nik into weightlifting after she now understands women will not get big an muscular from lifting weights.her ass is looking amazing from squats already

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People don't realise how hard it is to actully build muscle."

True, though even those who do know how to train, and train very hard, will still never get anywhere near the level of muscle a steroid user can - if a natural lifter gains a single stone of muscle during their whole lifting career whilst maintaining a relatively low level of bodyfat, then they'll have done very well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

even with gear its a long process.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Muscle no

But strength yes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nik likes the muscular look.

I'm 6-2 or 3" and 102kg at the min and 11% bf.

She prefers the drier look where muscles are visable.

We have noticed 90% of men on here who tick athletic have never lifted or done any sport in Their lives.

When we say sorry we are looking for athletic men,they get all shitty.

People don't realise how hard it is to actully build muscle.

Finally got nik into weightlifting after she now understands women will not get big an muscular from lifting weights.her ass is looking amazing from squats already "

People don't like rejection much on here it seems, especially the guys hence the shitty responses.

Everyones perception of athletic will be different to others so you have to consider that. To me it does mean a toned figure which has a V shape and that hopefully the person is in a reasonable state of fitness. Of course some people that looked ripped can actually be quite un-fit cardio wise.

Getting that dry look is a nightmare. I currently am the same height as you, only 84kg but am hovering between 10.3 - 10.7% bf. I am nowhere near as dry looking as the really ripped guys. I think I'd need to stop drinking for a few days to get that, but that goes against me for the cardio work.

You'll find someone who ticks your boxes but it's prob best to go hunting for them yourself so you get what you want.

Just like to say even if the pics you guys have up are pre Nik starting the squats she does indeed have a lovely arse

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So, for anyone who either has personal experience or knows someone who has taken steroids, what would you say the pros and cons are?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

thanks fun times

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its true, but that fact remains that many natural lifters, like myself, DO put in the hard work with the weights, but will never come anywhere near the level of strength and muscle of a steroid user.

Muscle no

But strength yes"

You could be right, many of the old time strongmen from the early 20th century set verified records that blow away a huge amount of modern lifts, check out Arthur Saxon, not a massively muscled man by any means, but could lift nearly twice his bodyweight overhead using one hand.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Rugby player type or footballer type - they're all hot!!!

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By *andWCouple
over a year ago

Pontypridd

I think I can sport a steroid user a mile off, see so many of them a day, there is a certain muscle look, I'm sure there are women who love the look, but not for me

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By *andWCouple
over a year ago

Pontypridd

"I think I can sport a steroid user a mile off, see so many of them a day, there is a certain muscle look, I'm sure there are women who love the look, but not for me "

Spot even

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We have noticed 90% of men on here who tick athletic have never lifted or done any sport in Their lives.

When we say sorry we are looking for athletic men,they get all shitty.

People don't realise how hard it is to actully build muscle.

Maybe because there's no option between average and athletic. I'm no athlete but I know I'm better average for my age group. Although I am a gym regular and keep up with the youngsters at work..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm sure there are women who love the look, but not for me"

There are, and sadly the kind of physique so many people these days, women included have come to identify as 'muscular' is the thickly muscled, heaving action hero/pro wrestler/bodybuilder look, unattainable without steroids.

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By *andWCouple
over a year ago

Pontypridd

"I'm sure there are women who love the look, but not for me

I agree, the carrying carpets look seems to be in, I know now that through the summer a never ending supply of B kits is essential lol

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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago

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"Nik likes the muscular look.

I'm 6-2 or 3" and 102kg at the min and 11% bf.

She prefers the drier look where muscles are visable.

We have noticed 90% of men on here who tick athletic have never lifted or done any sport in Their lives.

When we say sorry we are looking for athletic men,they get all shitty.

People don't realise how hard it is to actully build muscle.

Finally got nik into weightlifting after she now understands women will not get big an muscular from lifting weights.her ass is looking amazing from squats already "

What's your definition of done a sport?.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just out of curiousity wanted to know do woman prefere muscular guys as in built or athletic ? Or is it just not even a question ? Some woman say don't get any bigger it's not attractive but others encourage it although usually seem to find more woman go for the athletic look ?

why are you bothered, surely your doing it for you? there for you build yourself up to look how makes you happy, women on here are just a shag surely your not going to look how pleases them and not yourself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Finally got nik into weightlifting after she now understands women will not get big an muscular from lifting weights."

of course they will, male and female muscle are the same and will bulk up the same if worked the same

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Getting back to the op question...

No.i don't have a preference... I prefer masculinity... A connection rather than to say oh no can't.like you cuz you're not xx body shape...

Height however... That is a deal breaker... So.us totally shiny bald...

and there will be plenty guys who gate tall big boobed brunettes etc....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've had more women complement me and tell me they find my shape attractive than women who have told me they think I'd be more attractive if I was less muscular.

The way I see it and it works both ways, if someone sees that you are in good shape, they see that you are able to look after yourself and therefore likely to be able to look after someone else. Either that or they think you're a prick who's in love with yourself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"they see that you are able to look after yourself and therefore likely to be able to look after someone else."

Its nice to feel strong, I very much enjoy cradling a woman up in my arms to kiss her, it makes me feel all manly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Finally got nik into weightlifting after she now understands women will not get big an muscular from lifting weights.

of course they will, male and female muscle are the same and will bulk up the same if worked the same

As well as exercising hormones have a big role in how muscle grows and hormones vary from person to person and massively between women / men. Men have more testosterone which aids in the bulking of muscle. Exercise / resistance work should increase the amount of testosterone produced which will again aid in muscle growth. This is why some (like Stallone I believe) use growth hormone to get the ripped look. That is different again to testosterone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Finally got nik into weightlifting after she now understands women will not get big an muscular from lifting weights.

of course they will, male and female muscle are the same and will bulk up the same if worked the same

100% wrong

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes totally wrong. Takes a lot to build muscle.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Wow didn't notice amount of replys lol , think in my case it's due to sometimes I'd be doing heavy sets to bulk in which times I where a t shirt in the gym then usually by time I'm trying to cut up its hotter and I'm wearing a vest and people don't expect me to look how I do , also you get alot of roided up guys in my gym who think its all to do with the weights you lift however they don't realise alot of people can lift what they lift regardless of steroids or not then when you change your training and mix things up and lift there weights they assume you've taken them aswell as go the woman who ask I think alot more woman arnt to sure what the obvious signs are from steroids where as most blokes can tell

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Also just for the record people kepo asking why I'm bothered to be honest I'm not bothered what others think it was just curiosity but I'd be lying if I said I'm not fussed at all anyone who goes to the gym and actually trains hard and is in good shape will agree weather we like it or not we are to a degree pretty vain people and do care what we look like otherwise we wouldn't train so hard . Also the comment about being impossible to get the muscle of someone on steroids is rubbish I'm 16 and a half stone and muscular more muscular than alot of the guys on them but the guys who actually know what there doing aswell as taking them don't just rely on steroids they train harder than most people who arnt on them and they diet aswell !

All gone a little off topic all I wanted was just a little insight into woman's views lol

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Finally got nik into weightlifting after she now understands women will not get big an muscular from lifting weights.

of course they will, male and female muscle are the same and will bulk up the same if worked the same

Correct!

Males may have more muscle and bigger muscles in general but the muscles they have are no different from women's except in size.

Of course women muscle up ... if they perform the necessary actions.

Men WONT muscle up if they don't work at it either.

There are female body builders that win world reknowned competitions and there have been for years.

Jodie Marsh did well at body building over the last couple of years.

Google some images of women body builders and tell me women don't muscle up .....

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Got to add. NO ONE male or female will muscle up without trying to.

Certain actions performed a certain way for a certain amount of time is needed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Also the comment about being impossible to get the muscle of someone on steroids is rubbish"

But it isn't.

The amount of muscle a person can carry is largely dependant on their testosterone levels, testosterone levels that can be raised considerably beyond natural levels through the use of steroids and other enhancing chemicals - if hard work and dedication was the only factor then there wouldn't be anything like as much steroid use in professional sports now would there?

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

Finally got nik into weightlifting after she now understands women will not get big an muscular from lifting weights.

of course they will, male and female muscle are the same and will bulk up the same if worked the same

Correct!

Males may have more muscle and bigger muscles in general but the muscles they have are no different from women's except in size.

Of course women muscle up ... if they perform the necessary actions.

Men WONT muscle up if they don't work at it either.

There are female body builders that win world reknowned competitions and there have been for years.

Jodie Marsh did well at body building over the last couple of years.

Google some images of women body builders and tell me women don't muscle up ..... "

Incorrect - testosterone is a vital hormone in the muscle building pathways wihin the body. Women find it exeedingly hard to bulk because they lack bollocks.

What you will get is women gaining strength (which is NOT the same as building muscle, muscle tissue can be trailed to work harder, I think the generally accepted explanation is that the cells end up having more mitochondria) and losing bodyfat so will look 'ripped', but won't make much in terms of muscle gains. Women can of course gain muscle using steroids.

Basically women avoiding lifting because they will get 'all bulky' is the same as not buying a lottery ticket in case you win the jackpot. Women body builders train their arses off and I imagine a significant portion are on steroids.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Also the comment about being impossible to get the muscle of someone on steroids is rubbish

But it isn't.

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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago

folkestone

You only have to look at some of the women athletes who came out of east germany in the 70's and 80's to see how doping works on the female body.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You only have to look at some of the women athletes who came out of east germany in the 70's and 80's to see how doping works on the female body. "

And male bodybuilders from the 50s onwards and how vastly muscular they looked compared to those prior.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not only the drugs

Training and nutrition is way better than the guys back then

Look at the natural guys today compared to the guys in the 50s

Although a lot of people do reckon even the top natural pros even use

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not only the drugs

Training and nutrition is way better than the guys back then"

Not really, muscle building essentially comes down to lifting big weights, eating a nutritious diet and getting plenty of rest between workouts, the old time lifters understood these basic concepts very well. Add to this that real food will always trump supplements in terms of nutritional value, so really modern lifters don't have anything over those from 60+ years ago besides the drugs.

"Although a lot of people do reckon even the top natural pros even use"

Jason Blaha recently did a couple of very insightful videos on this subject that heavily questioned many modern day 'naturals'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not only the drugs

Training and nutrition is way better than the guys back then

Although a lot of people do reckon even the top natural pros even use

Jason Blaha recently did a couple of very insightful videos on this subject that heavily questioned many modern day 'naturals'."

Whey protein and creatine would have been very much appreciated by the guys back then. All the other sups are pretty crap.

The guys back then didn't eat every two/three hours which every bodybuilder does nowadays.

There are a lot more machines and training program's in a bodybuilders arsenal compared to back then.

Couple other things too.

I'll check out the Blaha vids

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whey protein and creatine would have been very much appreciated by the guys back then."

There'd have been no point to it, old time bodybuilders ate so much milk and cheese that they'd have been getting plenty of dairy protein without the need for such a supplement.

"The guys back then didn't eat every two/three hours which every bodybuilder does nowadays."

There's very little research supporting this theory, check out guy by the name of Martin Berkhan, he eats twice a day, is massively muscled, and has written extensively debunking the 2-3 hour rule.

There are a lot more machines and training program's in a bodybuilders arsenal compared to back then."

Machines and elaborate lifting techniques may allow muscles to be worked in more ways that old time lifters would have done, but its still universally accepted amongst most lifters that the heavy free weight movements they used are STILL the best ways to build muscles.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whey protein and creatine would have been very much appreciated by the guys back then.

There'd have been no point to it, old time bodybuilders ate so much milk and cheese that they'd have been getting plenty of dairy protein without the need for such a supplement.

The guys back then didn't eat every two/three hours which every bodybuilder does nowadays.

There's very little research supporting this theory, check out guy by the name of Martin Berkhan, he eats twice a day, is massively muscled, and has written extensively debunking the 2-3 hour rule.

There are a lot more machines and training program's in a bodybuilders arsenal compared to back then.

Milk and cheese are terrible for bodybuilding. Cottage cheese is ok.

Milk is good for skinny guys looking to gain weight but that's about it.

If there's little research why is it that 99% of bodybuilders follow it.

Just checked out the berkhan guy. He's very lean but I wouldn't say heavily muscled (although that's down to personal opinion)

Why ain't everyone following his diet

Free weights are best but machines hit the muscles at different angels like you just said. That helps. Bodybuilders wouldn't use em if they didn't work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Milk and cheese are terrible for bodybuilding.Milk is good for skinny guys looking to gain weight but that's about it."

Whey protein is derived from milk and cheese.

If there's little research why is it that 99% of bodybuilders follow it.

Why ain't everyone following his diet

Bodybuilders wouldn't use em if they didn't work."

The answer to all three - the Weider brothers. They largely monopolised the bodybuilding market during the 60s and most information on the subject since then has come through them, largely in the interest of hawking magazines and supplements.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Finally got nik into weightlifting after she now understands women will not get big an muscular from lifting weights.

of course they will, male and female muscle are the same and will bulk up the same if worked the same

Correct!

Males may have more muscle and bigger muscles in general but the muscles they have are no different from women's except in size.

Of course women muscle up ... if they perform the necessary actions.

Men WONT muscle up if they don't work at it either.

There are female body builders that win world reknowned competitions and there have been for years.

Jodie Marsh did well at body building over the last couple of years.

Google some images of women body builders and tell me women don't muscle up ..... "

Jodie marsh is not muscular.she is toned and lean.

Women do not get bulky and muscular the same as men.

Even the very best are nowhere near the size of the Olympia winners

It comes down to hormone levels.

The body building women jab test,obviously from their faces and voices.

The men also do.

Look at a natural contest.winners can be ten stone.

So if you believe as a woman going the gym is going to give you big muscles.you are wrong

Unless you on gear.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

this started out as an interesting thread , ...lost is way and turned into a gym bore ...thanks for trying OP !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Milk and cheese are terrible for bodybuilding.Milk is good for skinny guys looking to gain weight but that's about it.

Whey protein is derived from milk and cheese.

If there's little research why is it that 99% of bodybuilders follow it.

Why ain't everyone following his diet

Bodybuilders wouldn't use em if they didn't work.

Yeah it's derived from milk and cheese without all the fat and carbs.

Milk is great if you are skinny and a hard gainer, otherwise it's crap

Weiders don't have a grip on bodybuilding info like they used to.

Freeweights is best. Free weights and machines is even better. Go look at any bodybuilding vid on utube.

I train at the most hardcore and famous gym in the country. Surrounded by winners and guys with decades of knowledge on training, diet and drugs

Every single one of them follows the diet of eating every 2/3 hours.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah it's derived from milk and cheese without all the fat and carbs.

Milk is great if you are skinny and a hard gainer, otherwise it's crap"

Fats and carbs are essential nutrients, and milk is loaded with protein - fat gain from it isn't a problem so long as overall calories are kept in check.

"Weiders don't have a grip on bodybuilding info like they used to."

No, but the vast amounts of misinformation they spewed over the years continues to influence the bodybuilding scene.

I train at the most hardcore and famous gym in the country. Surrounded by winners and guys with decades of knowledge on training, diet and drugs

Every single one of them follows the diet of eating every 2/3 hours."

Mike Mentzer is another example of someone who didn't believe in any of the above (besides the drugs), and he had a physique that was easily up to standard with those who did.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah it's derived from milk and cheese without all the fat and carbs.

Milk is great if you are skinny and a hard gainer, otherwise it's crap

Fats and carbs are essential nutrients, and milk is loaded with protein - fat gain from it isn't a problem so long as overall calories are kept in check.

Weiders don't have a grip on bodybuilding info like they used to.

No, but the vast amounts of misinformation they spewed over the years continues to influence the bodybuilding scene.

I train at the most hardcore and famous gym in the country. Surrounded by winners and guys with decades of knowledge on training, diet and drugs

Every single one of them follows the diet of eating every 2/3 hours.

Mike Mentzer is another example of someone who didn't believe in any of the above (besides the drugs), and he had a physique that was easily up to standard with those who did."

So if I get my carbs from cola that's ok? I just have to keep my calories in check?

I fail to see how weider still influences the way people train. There's tons of different info out there.

Yet all the other guys mentzer competed against did. Arnold, Coleman etc, all the greatest bodybuilders did.

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over a year ago

Milkman !!!

I started the thread was just curiousity and just a subject for some talk but your right mate it's boooooring lol

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